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Speaker 1: Jason Pin Andrew Savill both well us fellows. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: My day, Good morning, Andrew. You're an old mate of Parkers.

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: Like I think you said before, I think we had

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Speaker 2: to take his take him at his word that The

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Speaker 2: strange thing is the bizarre thing is why on earth

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Speaker 2: would he do that knowing he's going to be tested

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Speaker 2: so close to a fight, And if he had a one,

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Speaker 2: this would have been even worse, I suppose because he

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Speaker 2: would have been in line to fight Usik. I understand

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Speaker 2: that he will definitely fight it. I understand he firmly,

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Speaker 2: firmly believes Mike that it's that's a mistake has been

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Speaker 2: made and it is not anything to do with cocaine.

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Speaker 1: No, that would be my read on it as well.

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Speaker 1: Have you talked to Higgins, by the way, I haven't known,

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Speaker 1: because he'll Mike can't work out what he thinks that.

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Speaker 1: I mean that he's the one who'd be handling. Wouldn't

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Speaker 1: he very difficult also from the other side of the world,

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Speaker 1: which makes it complex, complex or complicated?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it does.

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Speaker 2: And what you've got to understand, Mike is that VARDA

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Speaker 2: is the Voluntary Antidoping Association it's.

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Speaker 3: Primarily it tests boxes. Boxes.

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Speaker 2: A lot of boxes don't get drug tested, but those

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Speaker 2: that do and those who have it in their contracts

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Speaker 2: for each separate fight, and it's demanded by a lot

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Speaker 2: of promoters and management. It is voluntary, so they I

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Speaker 2: think the rules are eight weeks out from a fight.

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Speaker 2: You can be tested anywhere any time. You have to

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Speaker 2: let them know their whereabouts. The test is like you

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Speaker 2: do with Olympic Sports and warder rules, and then you'll

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Speaker 2: be tested after the fight as well.

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Speaker 1: Was it a big deal for you and the sports show, Jason?

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Speaker 1: Were people into it or not?

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Speaker 3: Really? Not really.

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Speaker 4: I've got a couple of texts asking if we were

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Speaker 4: going to address it, and I don't know what you say.

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Speaker 4: You say, look, we wait and see what happens. I think,

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Speaker 4: as you both say, we take Joseph Parker on his word.

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Speaker 4: There's never been a suggestion of this in the past.

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Speaker 4: Why would he, as Andrew just said, why would he so?

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Speaker 4: Look like what your hope is that it is a mistake.

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Speaker 4: The only cautionary tail is that it's rare for these

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Speaker 4: things to be a mistake.

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Speaker 3: But I hope on this occasion that it is right.

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Speaker 1: Rugby Andrew. It must be hard work now, sort of

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Speaker 1: building up to Wales. It's not really two terms used,

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Speaker 1: you know with Wales building up to Wales, do you

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Speaker 1: especially when you come up? I mean, how different it

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Speaker 1: could have been this week?

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Speaker 2: Eh, yep, yep, it would have been a huge week

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Speaker 2: and the well shown up to much. I see they

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Speaker 2: beat Japan only just at the weekend. Yeah, frustrating, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Look overall what thirteen played is it ten wins and

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Speaker 2: three losses from memory, which on the face of it

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Speaker 2: doesn't look too bad. But they should have never lost

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Speaker 2: to Argentina. In Argentina, they shouldn't have been blown away

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Speaker 2: by the spring box. And if they'd played consistent on

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Speaker 2: the weekend of Twickenham after a twelve new lead, you

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Speaker 2: did not throw away a twelve new lead.

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Speaker 3: They should have they should have beaten England.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned last week, Mike, they've got this third

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Speaker 2: quarter atis where they go into the dressing room and

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Speaker 2: then come out and they're all at sea. I think

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Speaker 2: that suggests again, and I think we mentioned it on

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Speaker 2: the show. I think it suggests again there's a disconnect

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Speaker 2: between what the coaches want in game plans and what

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Speaker 2: the players are playing.

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Speaker 4: What do you make of it, Jason, I am less

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Speaker 4: confident about the World Cup in twenty twenty seven now

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Speaker 4: than I was when Razor took over two years ago.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point, Jason, because I was sitting there

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Speaker 3: yesterday looking at the world rankings.

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Speaker 2: And in a World Cup, say semi final, would you

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Speaker 2: back this All Black team to beat South Africa, France, England,

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Speaker 2: Island at full strength?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not. The fourth quarter things interesting too. The All

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Speaker 4: Blacks haven't scored a fourth quarter points in the last

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Speaker 4: four test matches, so they haven't scored a point between

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Speaker 4: halftime and the sixty minute mark for the last four.

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Speaker 4: The big problem for me, guys is that I haven't

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Speaker 4: seen improvement under Scott Robertson. I think it would be

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Speaker 4: very hard for you to sit there, hand on heart

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Speaker 4: and say that he has improved this team over the

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Speaker 4: last two years. I feel like he's chips in on

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Speaker 4: Richie Warner to come back and make a massive difference,

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Speaker 4: which is firstly not absolutely certain that he will and

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Speaker 4: second a lot of pressure for one bloke. You're right, Saith,

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Speaker 4: there's there's just a disconnect. Where are the flowing attacking

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Speaker 4: moves that used to be the hallmark of All Blacks rugby.

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Speaker 4: It's there are so many places to try and focus

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Speaker 4: on improvement. But that's the thing we haven't seen. We

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Speaker 4: haven't seen improvement of the All Blacks under Scott Robertson.

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Speaker 3: Look at the look at the stagnant attack, look at

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Speaker 3: the aerial game.

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Speaker 2: Yet hasn't improved. And that's been a bug ber the

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Speaker 2: last couple of years since these rule changes came in.

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Speaker 2: Around my high kicks, Mike, Yeah, she was. There's plenty

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Speaker 2: to go through Peny to work on that. Overall, that

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Speaker 2: game wasn't too bad, but there's a lot of kicking.

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Speaker 2: And the TMO was in the referees there the whole game,

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Speaker 2: which they have been during these test matches, and I

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Speaker 2: assume the TMO was there for foul playing, for deciding

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Speaker 2: on tries. It's just gone too far.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just correct me if I'm wrong, Jason. Don't they

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Speaker 1: have an interim CEO? And if they do have an

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Speaker 1: interim CEO, does that mean they can't find anybody or

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Speaker 1: they just want to take their time of what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Do we know?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Steve Lancaster is the interim CEO at the moment,

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Speaker 4: he applied for the job apparently and hasn't been given it,

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Speaker 4: so he's on an interim basis. Yeah, presumably they can't

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Speaker 4: find the candidate with all of the skills required, and

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Speaker 4: if someone has all those skills required, they're not interested

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Speaker 4: in the New Zealand rugby job.

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Speaker 3: They'd rather be doing something else.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it looks as they will drag into the

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Speaker 4: new year before we find out who's going to take

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Speaker 4: the top job.

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Speaker 2: You look at the all blacks, Mike, and as we know,

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Speaker 2: with business and sport, it's all starts at the top, right.

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Speaker 3: They need a new CEO and there with a firm hand.

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Speaker 2: They need a CEO who can straddle business world but

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Speaker 2: also community rugby, which in some parts of the country

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Speaker 2: is dying, if not dead. Provincial unions as well often

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Speaker 2: have concerns that need to be raised. And fair enough,

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Speaker 2: it is a very very difficult job. I know there's

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Speaker 2: been a whole heap of key we candidates have either

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Speaker 2: thoughts about it. They wanted a New Zealander, but it

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Speaker 2: sounds like this Englishman who is running Six Nations is

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Speaker 2: apparently the front runner for this job. The people I've

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Speaker 2: be a complete disaster.

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Speaker 1: Interesting is it politics? Is politics at play in the job?

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Speaker 1: Would I look at it and go Jesus look at

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Speaker 1: the politics. I can't be bothered as there?

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Speaker 3: Well it can.

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Speaker 2: It can be quite political. You know, you've got a

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Speaker 2: You've got a fairly new board.

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Speaker 3: I think. I think David.

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Speaker 2: Kirk is a is a is a strong personality, has

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Speaker 2: done a good job so far, I think, and he's

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Speaker 2: onto it. But that that is a key and there's

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Speaker 2: other executive roles that remain unfilled.

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Speaker 3: That is a key, key job. They've got to get

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Speaker 3: it right, mate, Can I argue just just I've heard

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Speaker 3: from impickable sources that you were on the sports field

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Speaker 3: and you lost.

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Speaker 1: No, that's that seeing that's why you journalists have the

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Speaker 1: reputation you do, the amount of fake news pedal.

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Speaker 3: What is it? Is it? Fake news? Donald? Is it?

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Speaker 1: It's It's just it's just it's just embarrassing that sort

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Speaker 3: And I also understand like you used to do to

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Speaker 3: me in the early nineties on those magnificent grass courts

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Speaker 3: at Hagley Park. You were grunting and screaming and yelling

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Speaker 3: got nothing to do with the force you're hitting the

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Speaker 3: no power there.

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Speaker 2: What was what?

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Speaker 3: What was fantastic? I'd like to listen. I'd like to

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Speaker 3: bring in the impeccable source to corroborate my story.

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Speaker 5: I just want to I just want to ask Andrew,

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Speaker 5: because we've got we've got shared common we've got some

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Speaker 5: common ground. Now, Andrew, when he played you, did he

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Speaker 5: time to distract you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and try and just try to grind you down. Yeah, Now, Kate.

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Speaker 2: In the early nineties, he would turn up in these

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Speaker 2: skin tight white pants shorts that the Onnie Parron skin

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Speaker 2: Mix five and he'd arrive at the public courts and

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Speaker 3: He still does he does? He still turn up dress

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Speaker 3: like that?

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Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't allow any of that Thankfully he did

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Speaker 5: not turn up dress like that. But there was so

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Speaker 5: that I might need to issue an apology.

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Speaker 3: Were there were there are other people on courts beside you, well, no.

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Speaker 5: Just people walking past, And I thought this is getting

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Speaker 5: a little bit. But the other thing where if he

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Speaker 5: misses a shot, which okay, rare, but if he does

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Speaker 5: the racket, everybody. Did you get that?

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Speaker 2: Did you remind him it's not the US Open final,

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Speaker 2: It's just a social game on a Saturday or Sunday.

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Speaker 5: I tried to say that so many times.

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Speaker 2: I tried to say, just relaxed.

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Speaker 1: Could we at least concede that the talent came back?

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Speaker 1: Almost instantly, Catie, the.

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Speaker 5: Talent came Oh yeah, no, no, no, I think I think

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Speaker 5: the old muscle memory was there, or so you kept

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Speaker 3: And also who won? Who won?

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Speaker 5: We didn't actually play a game. We were trying to

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Speaker 5: just do some hits and and sort of learn the

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Speaker 5: art of pickleball.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, won that. Yeah, yeah, he would have won that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah he would have been if that had been a game,

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Speaker 5: I would have won.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow, all right, thanks for I thought you had pilates

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Speaker 1: or yoga.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 5: I'm on court as we speak.

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Speaker 1: Goodness, goodness sake. Thanks very much for organizing that, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: that was absolutely fantastic. My apologies, Jason. I I try

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Speaker 1: and elevate the conversation in general around this particular segment,

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Speaker 1: but you know there are those who sort of drag

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Speaker 3: So we are we done? Or the more questions? You

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Speaker 3: had a question before?

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't. Selby and Selby and Trump by the way,

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Speaker 1: champion snooker.

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Speaker 3: It's Donald Trump playing snooker.

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Speaker 1: Are you Are you on the bulletin tonight or is

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Speaker 1: this your month off?

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Speaker 2: That's and again we're of nearing December. Mate, you'll be

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Speaker 2: on leave next week surely.

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Speaker 1: Well, if I am, you're going to feel really bad

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Speaker 1: about this, aren't you.

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Speaker 1: Nice to see you, guys, Andrew Seville and Jason Pine.

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Speaker 1: It is n Kate Hawksby.

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