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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duper Cy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else News Dogs.

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Speaker 2: Heav Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk to former police negotiator Lance Burdette

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Speaker 2: about what happened at the top levels of police. Also

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Speaker 2: the lawyer Matthew Hagen where the charges need to be laid.

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Speaker 2: Then all can counselor Morris Williamson on when the big

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Speaker 2: city will get the first congestion charges and Don Braid

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Speaker 2: of Main Freight on what is going on with his business.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duper c Ellen, Well.

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Speaker 2: I think we can all see how this is going

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Speaker 2: to end for Andrew Costa, and we could see that

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Speaker 2: last night. He's going to lose his job running a

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Speaker 2: government agency. No one in charge can say that yet

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Speaker 2: because of employment law, but it is absolutely going to happen,

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Speaker 2: because there is no way that a man can do

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Speaker 2: what he has done at the highest levels of police

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Speaker 2: and then possibly continue to earn an income from the taxpayer.

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Speaker 2: Him losing his job is the right outcome here. But

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Speaker 2: here's the question that I think is up for debate.

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Speaker 2: Is Andrew Costa a bad man? Or was he just

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Speaker 2: bat at his job showing poor judgment and competence, naivety, whatever?

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to suggest that it was actually the latter.

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Speaker 2: He's not a bad man. He was just bad at

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Speaker 2: his job. It doesn't seem like he did what he

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Speaker 2: did because he wanted to hide what jeffn mcskimming had done.

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Speaker 2: It sounds more like he tried to make it go

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Speaker 2: away because he didn't believe that it was true. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like he believed mc skimming was just the victim

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Speaker 2: of a really bad breakup. He'd ended an affair, she

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Speaker 2: hadn't taken it well. Now she was trying to destroy

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Speaker 2: his reputation online, and so Andrew Costa seemed to have

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Speaker 2: thought maybe what he needed to do was try to

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Speaker 2: prevent these horrible lies from destroying the career of a

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Speaker 2: good man. So he tried to hurry things up and

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Speaker 2: shut things down and hide emails from ministers and not

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Speaker 2: tell the people appointing the next police commissioner that there

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Speaker 2: were complaints against mc skimming, And he got angry at

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Speaker 2: police officers who tried to raise concerns. Except, as it

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Speaker 2: turns out, Andrew Costa was wrong gefn Mcskimming was not

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Speaker 2: a good man. He was a creep. The woman's allegations

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Speaker 2: should have been listened to. She wasn't destroying the career

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Speaker 2: of a good man, she was alerting authorities to it

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Speaker 2: a bad man. But Andrew Costa was a police officer,

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Speaker 2: and it is one one of policing to investigate allegations

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Speaker 2: and listen to complaints, not shut them down. So he

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Speaker 2: failed at the very basics of his job. And unfortunately

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Speaker 2: for him, while he may not be a bad man,

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Speaker 2: he ended up doing things that I think we can

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Speaker 2: agree are bad things. Misleading, shutting down good police, wanting

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Speaker 2: to raise concerns, protecting a creep. Now, I don't know

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Speaker 2: is there really that much difference in the end, Is

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Speaker 2: there between being a bad man and being someone who

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Speaker 2: thinks they're doing the right thing but doing bad things

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Speaker 2: for him? The outcome is actually pretty much the same.

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Speaker 2: Whether he was bad or bad at his job. He

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Speaker 2: has lost his job and he's lost his reputation.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Nine nine two is the text number. Standard text fees

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Speaker 2: apply right, got lots more germic skilling information. And Andrew

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Speaker 2: Costa information throughout the show. But let's talk about one

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Speaker 2: of the great scourges of everyday life in modern New

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Speaker 2: Zealand chip seal roads. Now there is a community in

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Speaker 2: Pappamore who are understandably outraged that the news that their

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Speaker 2: asphalt roads are going to be replaced with chipseal. Mike

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Speaker 2: Seaborne is the totaling a city council head of Transport

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Speaker 2: high Mic Hello. Now, these guys say that the road

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Speaker 2: is fine and it doesn't need work. Do you disagree?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 4: Actually, the road, whilst it may look fine, is up

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Speaker 4: that the surface is working. But like paint on our house,

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Speaker 4: we're going to make sure that when you see cracks

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Speaker 4: and other things like that, you go along and repaint it.

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Speaker 3: So that's what we're doing it in pubblem Moore.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now, how much more expensive as asphalt? Like, you

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Speaker 3: No, we can't. And I think that's one of the

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Speaker 4: Ashvelt sorry by chip sal is because it's Ashvelt is

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Speaker 4: One of the elements for us is that ashvelt is

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Speaker 3: It's really good for that.

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Speaker 4: But for residential roads we can use chip seal in

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Speaker 4: a much more cost effective way, which means we can

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Speaker 2: Okay, how much does it cost the sites that.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about.

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Speaker 4: It depends on the length of the site, but we

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Speaker 4: it's at least another four hundred thousand dollars more than

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Speaker 4: the chip seal, which is quite a lot for a

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Speaker 2: Now does it not last longer thereby kind of paying

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Speaker 2: becoming equivalent at some point?

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: I think that's why we like to talk about it

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Speaker 4: from a whole of life's perspective. If it did, it

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: It's because when we go along to reseal it, it

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Speaker 4: as long compared to the price, So for us chip

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Speaker 2: Okay. Now, the problem with chip seal is obviously and

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Speaker 2: this is the point that these guys are making is

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Speaker 2: that the kids can't ride their skateboards on it, and

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Speaker 2: it just becomes difficult to kind of, you know, for

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Speaker 2: those kinds of activities. Do you need to consider that though?

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Speaker 2: When you're doing this with residential roads.

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Speaker 4: With roads, we're pretty clear on the purpose of those roads,

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Speaker 4: and unfortunately they're not really designed for skateboards in the

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Speaker 4: small wheels. Yeah, Normally in these environments we build the

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Speaker 4: in Tung So that's how we cater for those customers.

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Speaker 4: These the jobs of these things is to provide low volume,

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Speaker 2: Now, why, if I mean, why have we ended up

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Speaker 3: It's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: It's noisier though, Mike, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: It is noisier, absolutely, it's one of the downsides.

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Speaker 3: It's noisier, and you will cast.

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Speaker 2: And you get these stinct little stones kicked up at you.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes at the beginning it does sort of do that,

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Speaker 4: and we try and sweep them off as much as

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Speaker 3: But over time that settles down.

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Speaker 4: It just kind of compresses itself into the bitumen, so

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Speaker 4: that kind of goes away. But from that perspective, it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but is it because the developers went all out

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Speaker 2: spent the big dollars, and then when you go to

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Speaker 2: entire place, so you're doing the chip seal. Is that

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Yep?

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Speaker 4: Pretty much, Particularly in a growth council like ours, there's

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Speaker 2: And so the next question, of course, is this the future.

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Speaker 2: We don't have a lot of money in the country,

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Speaker 2: should we get used to the chip seal?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm a roading person, so I'm going to say yes,

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Speaker 4: So it is the future unless we come up with

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Speaker 4: new ways, which we are trialing. So we want a

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Speaker 4: smoother surface, less noisy. So we've got options and trials

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Speaker 4: on right now to use other products to make to

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Speaker 2: Mike, it has been lovely to dis benefits, Mike, Mike,

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Speaker 2: it's been lovely to talk to you. Mike Seaborne totaling

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Speaker 2: a city council head of transport. How's bells here? The

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Speaker 2: cost of perverted the course of justice and vilified a victim?

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Speaker 2: You answered your own question. Costa is bad. Hither there

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Speaker 2: is a big difference, but unfortunately for him, the result

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Speaker 2: is the same. Hither a good man does not assume

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Speaker 2: the woman is in the wrong without investigating. He wasn't

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Speaker 2: a good man to the woman asking to be heard.

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Speaker 2: That's fair, fair point, listen. Can I just make this

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Intent is really important here because it really matters whether

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Speaker 2: to protect his mate it was a bad man, or

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Speaker 2: whether you think Andrew Costa was trying to stop bad

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Speaker 2: why we have the difference between manslaughter and murder. You

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Speaker 2: The chip seal is dangerous for motorbikes. It's like riding

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Speaker 2: on ice, especially when it's left on corners. The councils

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Speaker 2: have no idea Hither. It wears your tires fast to

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Speaker 2: head the chip seal. Ask him about safety cars take

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Speaker 2: longer to stop. Less grip eighteen past four.

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Speaker 1: Sport with tab power plays better unlock, bigger odds are

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Speaker 2: Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk Hoosters with us. Hello, does hither

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Speaker 2: is okay? So what have we got in the England team?

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Speaker 2: Any surprises?

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Speaker 5: No, There've been seven adjustments on this side and they

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Speaker 5: lost a couple of blokes they didn't recur from hamstring

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Speaker 5: and ankle injuries. That's the winger Freeman and second rower

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Speaker 5: Oli Chessham. They are not there. The big one here

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Speaker 5: is George Ford's back. He's the first five. He's the

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Speaker 5: string puller, so he's back in the lineup. After that's

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Speaker 5: seven changes. Here's seven changes to that side that beat

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Speaker 5: up on Fiji ran away with them at the end.

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Speaker 5: Eighteen was the score there. So it's adjusted. But I

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Speaker 5: think when you look at who they used, it made

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Speaker 5: sense to let Ford have a rest against that and

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Speaker 5: then bring him in fresh for this key game. But

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Speaker 5: there is not I mean, Maro Toji is off the

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Speaker 5: bench last time around, he comes back to start. He's

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Speaker 5: one of the weapons that they have. Emmanuel Faiwaboso, the winger,

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Speaker 5: the left winger, he's quite the player. He really is

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Speaker 5: so excited to watch him. But I suppose most of

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Speaker 5: the concentration is going to be on what the All

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Speaker 5: Blacks name and how they react to this, but more importantly,

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow tonight, today's Wednesday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah really, I lose days from time to time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it does it's that kind of a week.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, I thought it was Thursday yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Same as well. But look, it's a huge game and

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Speaker 5: this is arguably the Grand Slam. Well I'm saying that

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Speaker 5: they'll beat the English and then they'll stumble against Wales.

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Speaker 2: Oh Lord Noyes.

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Speaker 5: New Zealand rugby in the last three or four years

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Speaker 2: We'll be fine. Hey, So the Black Caps is the

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Speaker 5: Well the fourth one in Nelson got rained out, which

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Speaker 5: And then they have a cup of teen to lie

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Speaker 5: test series and we'll be joined by Kyle Jamison on

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Speaker 5: the show this evening talking about that and Gibbet the Skipper.

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Speaker 5: James Parson's wonderfully sharp mind when it comes to rugby union.

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Speaker 5: Talk through the lessons from the English match and how

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Speaker 3: To daughter eight.

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Speaker 2: How old is your daughter? Early teenage?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, mid teen?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember how fun it was to go to

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Speaker 5: There were no such things as Maul's when I was

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Speaker 2: Were you serious? I used to go to Manicow Mall

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Speaker 5: Is that why I know about them?

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Speaker 2: I was because we'd put on our cool added ass

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Speaker 5: Or the Maxie Mark, which was this massive, massive department

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Speaker 2: Around it, around the outside of it.

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Speaker 5: It was so good that days they they.

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Speaker 2: Were Darcy water Grave back at seven.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 8: It's an ugly read the IPCA report and the mixed

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Speaker 8: skimming behavior, as well as the actions of some senior

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Speaker 8: police of course, but the Chambers is the police commissioner.

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Speaker 8: Who's the bigger thug here, Costa or mix skimming. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 8: mix skimming has been dealt to him, but I mean

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Speaker 9: I've certainly got a personal view.

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Speaker 10: It's an absolute disgrace and lacking a leadership that's lacking integrity.

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Speaker 8: Are you confident that that blindness that they portrayed is

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Speaker 8: limited just to mix skimming and no other complaints? Mike,

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Speaker 8: it is not quite enough. We clear that this is it.

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Speaker 10: My job right now is to ensure that this never

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Speaker 1: Hard questions strong opinion, hither dupathyl and drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand hand the power of satellite mobile news.

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Speaker 2: Talk zedb third time this week that I've done that

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Speaker 2: right there. Four twenty five, Finally we've got the first

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Speaker 2: political poll out since the capital gains tax announcement by Labor.

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Speaker 2: Labour's up two point one point. Now, before you freak

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Speaker 2: not because they're stealing. Sent to write voters who love

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Speaker 2: a capital gains tax and just want them so badly

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Speaker 2: they're going to go to Labor. They are stealing Green

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Speaker 2: happened is Labour's gone up two point one. Greens have

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Speaker 2: gone down two point eight. Quick run through the numbers.

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Speaker 2: National's gone from basically thirty one to thirty. New Zealand

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Speaker 2: First has gone from ten and a half to nine.

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Speaker 2: The Greens have gone from twelve to nine. Big drop.

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Speaker 2: three on the preferred Prime minister numbers. Christopher Luxen is

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Speaker 2: sitting on twin let's round them up to twenty one,

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Speaker 2: so he's gone up about a point and Chris Hopkins

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Speaker 2: the tiniest little bit. Barry Sober will be with us

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Speaker 2: just before five o'clock, Heather. It's funny because todong a

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Speaker 2: So maybe next time, I mean, I don't think that

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Speaker 2: that's old mate who spoke to us Mike Seborne's department

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Speaker 2: can put that into roading. Here the Costa is an

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Speaker 2: embarrassment to Christians and police alike. Now where is it? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that Costa and Jevin mcskimming may have gone

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Speaker 2: make sure to ask jevn how many unsolicited photos he

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Speaker 2: takes to try to blackmail them into silence? Okay, churchmates

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Speaker 1: Next digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplicyl

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Speaker 1: and drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one

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Speaker 3: Don't you win the body? I can do this all.

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Speaker 3: You'll be there to do.

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Speaker 2: The morning give the police Minister Mike Mitch, you'll know

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Speaker 2: about the Deputy commissioner's behavior, Commission Costa's involvement when Costa

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Speaker 2: the motivation to get rid of I don't think so,

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Speaker 2: and I'll run you through that shortly the dates. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I can't see that ministers knew very much at all

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Speaker 2: I said on the show yesterday about Costco opening at Drury.

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Speaker 2: I am so excited about because I haven't. I don't

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Speaker 2: But I do go to South Auckland because that's my

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get myself at Costco membership. I'm spending a

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Speaker 2: lot of time at Costco Drury. And apparently also unlike

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Speaker 2: But Costco Drury you can get yourself some cheap booze.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Chetwyn after five. She's the

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Speaker 2: Food and Grocery Council. Twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 1: It's got world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: So the US is in the midst of its biggest

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Speaker 2: military build up in the Caribbean for decade. A carrier

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Speaker 2: strike group has been moved to the region, and it's

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Speaker 2: thought that the Trump administration wants to put pressure on

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Speaker 2: the Venezuelan president. He is a security expert from the

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Speaker 2: Atlanta Council.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think an invasion is unlikely. Trump and Vance

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Speaker 11: and others have always criticized rock in Afghanistan, so I

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Speaker 11: think their hope is that the show of force itself

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Speaker 2: Twelve people have been killed in a suicide bombing outside

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Speaker 2: a district court in the capital of Pakistan. A breakaway

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Speaker 2: faction of the Pakistani Tully Baton have claimed responsibility for

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Speaker 12: The CCTV footage shows if the attacker standing across from

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Speaker 3: Because of the tight security checks.

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Speaker 12: For everyone entering the court, he couldn't gain access and

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Speaker 2: And finally, good choice from you ants, Yeah, if you

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Speaker 2: know your music, you know what he's done there. Australian

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Speaker 2: scientists have discovered a new species of bee that has horns.

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Speaker 2: The researchers found the bee while observing a rare wildflower

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Speaker 2: in Western Australia. Now one of the scientists has been

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Speaker 2: binge watching the Netflix series Lucifus. They called it the

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Speaker 2: lucifer bee, which is a real missed on opportunity not

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Speaker 13: The bill Zibub International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance,

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Speaker 13: Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business and.

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Speaker 2: Told me to tell that joke. And I don't even

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Speaker 2: think it was a joke, so it was lame. Twenty

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Speaker 2: two away from five. Jonathan Kursley, US correspondents with US Hello, Jonathan.

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Speaker 14: Ten out of ten for the joke.

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Speaker 2: Ever, you're being soft on him, you know that now

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Speaker 2: because he's your mate. Now, when is the shutdown finally over?

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Speaker 14: Well, it looks like it could be tomorrow. The US

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Speaker 14: House is going to resume tomorrow. Mike Johnson, the Speaker,

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Speaker 14: has called them all back. They will set it needs

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Speaker 14: a simple majority. Republicans have the majority, so it will pass.

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Speaker 14: It then has to go to Donald Trump's desk to be.

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Speaker 15: Signed off, and then it will become essentially legislation in law,

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Speaker 15: and the government can work to reopen and resume certainly

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Speaker 15: forty three on days by the time we reached that point.

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Speaker 15: Even though that this has already passed the Senate, it

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Speaker 15: Donald Trump signs off on it. So it's going to

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Speaker 15: be one more day. But there's going to be a

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Speaker 15: headaches still to come. I mean, we'll being warned about

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Speaker 15: air travel problem still because it's going to take them

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Speaker 15: time to get the air traffic controlers back at full speed,

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Speaker 15: that they will be docked pay if they aren't turning

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Speaker 15: it is going to take a little bit of time

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Speaker 2: What's going on with Venezuela do you think do you

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Speaker 2: think an attack might be likely?

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Speaker 15: I think this is posturing from the American President.

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Speaker 14: I think what he's doing.

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Speaker 15: You played that grab before talking about trying to essentially

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Speaker 15: trying to happen here. He is trying to make a

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Speaker 15: political move but using military might he took. He talks

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Speaker 15: about peace through strength, and that's what he's doing here.

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Speaker 15: I mean, you've got the USS gerald Ford moving down

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Speaker 15: into this region. They've been carrying out attacks on what

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Speaker 15: they say drug trafficking boats, some nineteen attacks that have

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Speaker 15: killed some seventy six people. They haven't really provided any evidence,

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Speaker 15: though the administration hasn't that these are actually drug trafficking boats.

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Speaker 15: But still you're seeing this huge posturing going on around

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Speaker 15: Venezuela and around those waters of Latin America, really trying

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Speaker 15: to send a message to the Venezuelan authorities and to

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Speaker 15: the Venezuelan people. But inside Venezuela you've got their own concerns.

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Speaker 15: I mean, Maduro is essentially trying accusing the Trump administration

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Speaker 15: of fabricating a crisis when he thinks there isn't one,

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Speaker 15: and trying to topple his own socialist government.

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Speaker 3: You've got.

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Speaker 15: Gorilla forces essentially arming up inside Venezuela. Because Venezuela's military

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Speaker 15: is not strong, it is underpaid, it has lower grade weapons,

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Speaker 15: out of date weaponry, so you've got Gorilla is now

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Speaker 15: essentially starting to try and arm themselves to the teeth

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Speaker 15: to prepare for the possibility that there might be some

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Speaker 15: sort of attack. I mean President Trump suggested there could

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Speaker 15: be a land action, a land move. Now what that is, Well,

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Speaker 15: he would probably need the approval of Congress to go

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Speaker 15: and actually carry that out, and would that then be

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Speaker 15: an active war. So you've got this political posturing, this

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Speaker 15: military posturing. But I think this is largely trying to

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Speaker 15: send a political message. He wants he wants government change

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Speaker 15: in Venezuela, and that's what he's trying to do.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Hey, thank you very much. Jonathan has always look

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Speaker 2: after yourself. Jonathan Kurzley, US correspondent, nineteen away from five

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Speaker 2: c L. Hither can you give us a yis or no?

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Speaker 2: Was Andrew Costajainda's cousin. I don't know why did she

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Speaker 2: make a captain's call when she appointed him. I like

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Speaker 2: an answer that because she appointed a whole bunch of people.

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Speaker 2: And if you have a look at the appointments made

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Speaker 2: by the Justinda administration, they appointed a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: people who kind of subscribe to the same worldview as

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Speaker 2: they are, which is just a lot of the kind

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Speaker 2: of like Richard Change. They wouldn't like the Richard Chambers thing.

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Speaker 2: Richard Chambers is like tough on bad guys, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not their vibes. They're all about kindness.

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Speaker 2: And Andrew Costa was all about kindness as well. But

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Speaker 2: this is a lesson, isn't it. It's a lesson in sure,

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Speaker 2: you can go and appoint people because they think the

481
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Speaker 2: same as you, but maybe what you want to do

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Speaker 2: or do is just to point some people who are

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Speaker 2: actually good at their jobs. Hey, how about a bit

484
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Speaker 2: of meritocracy there. Now, what I'm really loving is that

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Speaker 2: basically every media outlet at the moment is carrying a

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Speaker 2: story that names the police officers who were brave enough

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Speaker 2: to challenge their bosses and get this investigation into Gevimcskimming done.

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Speaker 2: And it seems to me the real hero of all

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Speaker 2: of these officers and if I get a chance, I'll

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Speaker 2: run you through all of them. But the real hero

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Speaker 2: here's Officer m and it's understood to be Detective Superintendent

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Speaker 2: Kylie Shah, who's the director of Integrity and Conduct. What

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Speaker 2: happened is she got a call in mid September from

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Speaker 2: Andrew Costa asking if she knew where there were any

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Speaker 2: open investigations into Gevin mcskimming and it was probably because

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Speaker 2: he was up for the top job, and Costa was

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Speaker 2: just checking if everything was clear. So she went and

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Speaker 2: had a look and she saw in the database of

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Speaker 2: whatever that they used, she saw there was something, but

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Speaker 2: it hadn't been dealt with by proper processes. So she

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Speaker 2: warned Andrew Costa. She said to him, like, this hasn't

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Speaker 2: been done properly, and he was like, oh, I'm not

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Speaker 2: really sure why we're gonna fob her off right, And

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Speaker 2: so she got frustrated with the fact that she wasn't

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Speaker 2: being listened to, so she went to the IPCA herself. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is how the IPCA get gets This is how

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Speaker 2: this She is the reason it is where it is

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Speaker 2: today because she contacts the IPCA and then she has

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Speaker 2: a meeting with him on October eight. The next day,

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Speaker 2: October nine, the Public Service commission who were the people

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Speaker 2: who appoint you know, the police commissioner job, contacts the

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Speaker 2: IPCA asks if there are any complaints relating to any

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Speaker 2: of the applicants for the commissioner's job. The next day,

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Speaker 2: October ten, the IPCA chair emails Andrew Costa asking him

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Speaker 2: that police refer any complaints regarding MC skimming to them.

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Speaker 2: It was then that the woman's complaint. Only then that

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Speaker 2: the woman's complaint was referred by Officer M. Then an

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Speaker 2: unnamed deputy commissioner calls her and tells her Andrew cost

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Speaker 2: is not happy with you because the IPCA is now involved.

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Speaker 2: IPCA commends her for her moral courage and you can

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Speaker 2: see from that Costa big trouble, Big trouble. Seventeen away

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Speaker 2: from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centric Credit. Check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certady, it's fourteen away from five. Barry so Per, senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondent, is with us. Hello, Barry, good afternoon. So

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Speaker 2: Parliament cracked off with a debate here.

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Speaker 5: Yes, well it wasn't really a debate. It was a

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Speaker 5: ministerial statement and it means that others are able to

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Speaker 5: reply to the minister and ask him questions. So it

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Speaker 5: was interesting to me is that there's never been any

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Speaker 5: love lost. You'll remember between Andrew Costa and Mark Mitchell.

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Speaker 5: You remember Mitchell, on taking offers, presented Costa with a

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Speaker 5: list of expectations and it was a very public list

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Speaker 5: which he didn't agree with the way the police were

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Speaker 5: heading under Labor. And Andrew Coster was called Cuddle's Coster

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Speaker 5: for good reason. He was soft. He was appointed by

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Speaker 5: de Sindbadern. The other candidate was Mike Clement. Everybody thought

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Speaker 5: that Mike Clement would get the job, and then out

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Speaker 5: of the blue Andrew Coster came from nowhere essentially and

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Speaker 5: became the commissioner. So today, in Parliament, making a statement

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Speaker 5: after the damning IPCA report, Mark Mitchell pointed the finger

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Speaker 5: directly at the former police Minister Andrew Coster.

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Speaker 16: The matter when referred to the IPCA saw the then

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Speaker 16: police commissioner attempt to influence the nature and extent of

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Speaker 16: the ipca's investigation and its time frame. Others and police

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Speaker 16: perceived this as a clear attempt to ensure the investigation

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Speaker 16: did not impact Skimming's prospects of being appointed as his successor.

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Speaker 16: The behavior outlined in the report is utterly disgraceful. We

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Speaker 16: cannot forget that at the very core of this as

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Speaker 16: a woman who was severely let down by the previous

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Speaker 16: police executive and the system. On the sixth of November

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Speaker 16: twenty twenty four, Andrew Costra informed me that there was

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Speaker 16: an IPCA investigation into jevim at Skimming surrounding an affair

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Speaker 16: that he had had and that had soured. He informed

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Speaker 16: me that there was a female before the courts for

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Speaker 16: harassing at Skimming. The narrative I was presented was consistent

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Speaker 16: with the narrative highlighted in the IPCA report that mitt

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Speaker 16: Skimming was a victim. I want to stress that at

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Speaker 16: this stage this is all I or the government knew.

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Speaker 5: You Imagine how you'd feel left in the dark if

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Speaker 5: that was the information that was presented to you. You

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Speaker 5: didn't know there was anything wrong with this.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 5: Following Mitchell was the former police minister, Labour's Ginny Anderson,

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Speaker 5: and then the Greens Tamotha Paul, who at one stage

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Speaker 5: talked about abolishing the police. You'll remember, you.

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Speaker 17: Know, when a woman is brave enough to come forward

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Speaker 17: with serious allegations against a senior officer, she should be

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Speaker 17: treated with respect and have confidence that her complaint will

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Speaker 17: be investigated without fear or favor. That did not happen.

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Speaker 17: This was not just a failure of process. It was

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Speaker 17: a failure of leadership. When leadership fails, it damages the

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Speaker 17: morale within the organization and e Rhodes public confidence outside it.

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Speaker 17: Strong leadership is not only about management, It is about

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Speaker 17: setting an example of integrity, accountability and transparency.

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Speaker 18: The way that these allegations were covered up is perhaps

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Speaker 18: the most disturbing part. They took a relationship between a

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Speaker 18: senior police official and a woman twenty years his junior,

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Speaker 18: where a clear power and balance existed and where there

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Speaker 18: was alleged abuse, and they charged her. They charged her,

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Speaker 18: they failed her.

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Speaker 5: And it's true really when you look at that. But

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Speaker 5: it's interesting. I thought about other police commissioners who have

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Speaker 5: left the force under I guess it dented the credibility.

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Speaker 5: One was Peter Doone. Of course, he was accused of

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Speaker 5: approaching a police officer who had pulled over his friend's

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Speaker 5: car his girlfriend's car at a function. And then Mike

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Speaker 5: Bush will remember knew Louise Nicholas had raised concerns about

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Speaker 5: Wally homaher saying that the police should stick together in

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Speaker 5: the face of rape allegations, and didn't mention that when

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Speaker 5: he was appointed deputy Police commissioners.

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Speaker 3: So you know, there have been.

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Speaker 5: Other incidents, but nothing sah because this is this is

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Speaker 5: a systemic in the police at the top. By the

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Speaker 5: look of.

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Speaker 2: It, Hey, I reckon label, we're feeling pretty pleased. It

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Speaker 2: hasn't it hasn't tumbled down. I mean, you know, after

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Speaker 2: there had to be a chance that after the capital

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Speaker 2: gains tax announcement that they would actually go down on

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Speaker 2: the polls.

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Speaker 5: I've gone up, yeah, But you've got to remember with

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Speaker 5: capital I mean, there's a fair chunk of New Zealanders

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Speaker 5: that believe there should be a capital gains tax. But

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Speaker 5: you know, to me, they haven't explained it very well.

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Speaker 5: The Labor Party nevertheless.

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Speaker 2: But what's important is they've nicked the votes from the Greens,

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Speaker 2: so the cannibalizing their own block.

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Speaker 5: That's right and the center right block that are in

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Speaker 5: par now would still be able to lead. But look,

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Speaker 5: it really is the National Party. It is up point

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Speaker 5: six of a percent to thirty point two percent. They're

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Speaker 5: still behind Labor on thirty three point three percent. National

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Speaker 5: won't be happy with that, but like I've said on

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Speaker 5: many occasions, National inherited a dog in terms of the economy,

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Speaker 5: and it does take time to turn public opinion around

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Speaker 5: when it comes to dealing with an issue like that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, some very quickly, because I've got a huge amount

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Speaker 2: of time. But tell me what Winnie's up to.

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Speaker 5: Well, look, the Labor Party is playing Winston Peters and

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Speaker 5: his so called attack on the Nation Party. Labor, in

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Speaker 5: its fight to regain the treasure adventures, is making a

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Speaker 5: meal out of Peter's accusing National of not turning the

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Speaker 5: economy around quickly enough and lambasting the idea of asset sales.

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Speaker 5: Do you want to hear what Chris hit concerned about?

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Speaker 13: God here Winston Peters calls his explanations creative accounting of

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Speaker 13: the worst sort, and doesn't believe what he says on

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Speaker 13: asset sales.

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Speaker 3: Why should New Zealanders look?

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Speaker 8: I think it's a pretty petty line from this member

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Speaker 8: on economics.

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Speaker 19: Right, he's the guy that actually let the fire.

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Speaker 4: He's the arsonist that put the economy on fire.

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Speaker 2: Now he's complaining.

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Speaker 16: About the fire brigade putting it out again as literacy

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Speaker 16: on anything, economics as abysmal.

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Speaker 5: He's going to get Pat. He's going to get Pat

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Speaker 5: all with And actually, what National is doing, I've noticed

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Speaker 5: is taking the criticisms by Winston Peters on the chin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably the only thing you can do. Thanks

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Speaker 2: very much, Bary so for senior political correspondence. Seven away

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Speaker 2: from five. Hey, by the way, listen, a law passed

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Speaker 2: last night given counsels the power to bring in congestion

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Speaker 2: ar which means Auckland can do it. But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe as early as next to you. We're going to

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Speaker 2: talk to Morris Williamson about that shortly, just get the

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Speaker 2: lowdown on him. From that, just a heads up to

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Speaker 2: the South Island that Transpower has issued a grid emergency

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Speaker 2: because of the solar storm that's hitting the mainland. Are

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Speaker 2: they taking some South Island electricity transmission lines out of

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Speaker 2: service to prevent damage? Four away from five we need

651
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Speaker 2: to talk about the Cora Club. So my core club

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Speaker 2: membership ran out on the first of November, which is

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Speaker 2: eleven days ago, and I haven't renewed it, and then

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Speaker 2: it popped up on stuff this morning. And it's a

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Speaker 2: question about why are you paying eight hundred, eight hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty four dollars a year eight hundred and thirty

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Speaker 2: four dollars a year, which is sixteen dollars a week.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I've done the numbers for you, so

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Speaker 2: you can have courri club membership when you don't even

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Speaker 2: get priority seating, and I came across well, actually I

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Speaker 2: don't have current membership, so that's why I wouldn't get

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Speaker 2: priority seating. But I came across this before it ran

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Speaker 2: out where what you do is you get like the

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Speaker 2: front part out of the plane is for the freaking flyers,

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Speaker 2: so you can make you can like if you get

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Speaker 2: them fast enough, you can get one of those seats.

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Speaker 2: But then there's the middle, like there's a chunk of seats,

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Speaker 2: like a good block like and still in the first

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Speaker 2: part of the plane that you have to pay fifteen

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Speaker 2: dollars for so you're paying you're paying this extraordinary amount

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Speaker 2: of money to belong to the club. And then you

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Speaker 2: have to pay fifteen dollars for your seat so you

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Speaker 2: can be in a good seat. That's just it's just rubbish,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. So anyway, I thought about this long and hard,

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Speaker 2: and I thought, in the end, the only reason because

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Speaker 2: the food is crap. Let's be honest about that. Like

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Speaker 2: the other day, I got there and I don't even

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Speaker 2: know what that was, so I didn't eat it. It

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Speaker 2: was rubbish. It would have been better if I went

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Speaker 2: to the shop outside. But the reason you're buying it

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Speaker 2: isn't it. Let's be honest about it. Is so that

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Speaker 2: you can go into a place, put your bag down. No,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be safe and go for a WII

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Speaker 2: and then come back and then help yourself to food.

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Speaker 2: But you'd be cheaper if you just like that's what

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Speaker 2: you're doing. You'd be cheaper if you just went to

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Speaker 2: the airport.

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Speaker 3: Didn't that?

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Speaker 2: I feel like we're getting ripped off. What do you think?

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to do it. That's it over for me.

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Speaker 2: Lance Gourdet with Us Next.

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Speaker 3: Lived Died This Way.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can truck to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find a fact sack and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 1: Power of Satellite Mobile News DOORGSDV Afternoon.

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Speaker 2: The Police Minister has accused former Police Commissioner Andrew cost

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Speaker 2: of a cover up. Mark Mitchell says his office received

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Speaker 2: more than thirty emails with allegations against Chevin mcskimming by

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Speaker 2: a young woman, but he says Andrew Costa instructed ministerial

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Speaker 2: staff to forward those emails straight to Police National Headquarters,

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Speaker 2: with instructions that the police Minister wasn't to see them.

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Speaker 16: I've never heard of a protocol like that been put

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Speaker 16: in place before, but and I think we can all

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Speaker 16: see that it was with the same object in mind,

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Speaker 16: and that was quite simply to protect given Mit Skimmons.

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Speaker 2: Andrew cost has been stood down from his current public

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Speaker 2: service job on full pay. Former police negotiator Lance bur

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Speaker 2: police negotiator Lance Burdette is with me, high Lance.

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Speaker 9: Hi, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Cover up is a pretty big word. Does it look

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Speaker 2: like a cover up to you?

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Speaker 9: Well, there something going on hither. I don't know what

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Speaker 9: it is. I know as much as everybody else what

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Speaker 9: I see at the moment. There is a number of

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Speaker 9: systemic failures throughout police where the systems have fallen over

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Speaker 9: and I can only put that down to a loss

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Speaker 9: of experienced staff. Following in the two eleven two thousand

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Speaker 9: FETE started, the police started doing something called volunteer retirement

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Speaker 9: and restructuring, and a lot of experienced staff left. Now,

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Speaker 9: if you look at the top echelon of the police,

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Speaker 9: excluding the Commissioner, who I might say is doing a

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Speaker 9: fantastic job of trying to get things right, they are

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Speaker 9: quite limited experience and perhaps not as well versed in

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Speaker 9: risk management as they could be. And so because of that,

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Speaker 9: it's just a lack of understanding of systems and processes.

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Speaker 9: You know, we're seeing it now starting to be exposed,

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Speaker 9: this whole lot of huge experience that that left the police.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't I mean, it's not systems falling over,

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Speaker 2: it's systems being pushed to the side by the top cop.

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Speaker 2: I mean he frustrated the processes himself, didn't he.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Well that's I mean, I can't say yes or no,

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Speaker 9: but that's what it looks like. But the thing I

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Speaker 9: come back to here that is you're talking about somebody

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Speaker 9: who was a Crown solicitor. Yeah, so he's a lawyer

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Speaker 9: and by all accounts are very good at that. So

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure what's happened there. Yes, the systems are

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Speaker 9: in place, but they haven't been used. That means it's

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Speaker 9: a systemic failure to use the systems.

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Speaker 2: Out of there, explain to me this O. It's take

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Speaker 2: andrecrosser out of it. There's an example where one of

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Speaker 2: the officers is sitting with Tanya Kuda and it is

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Speaker 2: saying to her, I need to speak to the woman

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Speaker 2: making these allegations and is constantly being told by Kuda

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Speaker 2: and another officer who were there, basically that she shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: How do you explain that?

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Speaker 9: I can't. All I can say is that, well, there's

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Speaker 9: only two options, isn't there Well, there's three ignorance and

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Speaker 9: competence or something nefarious? Is it something nefarious? I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: I mean again again again, there needs to be see that.

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Speaker 9: This is the thing where there's lots of out there

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Speaker 9: at the moment, there's lots of reckons and lots of

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Speaker 9: people and lots of saying corruption. Well it's not it's not.

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Speaker 9: Well from what I can see, it's not corruption. It's

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Speaker 9: just a lack of experience. But if there is corruption,

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Speaker 9: it needs to be exposed. So we need to have

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Speaker 9: some form of external independent inquiry. I know it's going

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Speaker 9: to be another inquiry, But don't you think we need it, because.

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Speaker 10: Yes, it has.

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Speaker 2: What would it do differently from the IPCA.

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Speaker 9: Well, it wouldn't be limited. It would be unlimited in

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Speaker 9: what it can do.

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Speaker 2: Nowgregation here lance where we have the police, got members

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Speaker 2: of the police go in and talk to all of

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Speaker 2: these senior officers and find out why they were doing this.

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Speaker 9: That's a good start. But that's the own institution dealing

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Speaker 9: with the own institution. Now you got to think that

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Speaker 9: hither when when when I send a file as an

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Speaker 9: attached inspector off to the Crowns, they are relying on

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Speaker 9: doing a prosecution based on the information I provide. The

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Speaker 9: IPCA is very similar. Yes, they do a lot of

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Speaker 9: work themselves, and they do a lot of interviews themselves.

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Speaker 9: But when you have somebody who is outside of everything

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Speaker 9: and has some form of leverage to say, you know,

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Speaker 9: someone like perhaps the Serious Fraud Office, who you must

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Speaker 9: answer their questions, right, So it needs something like that

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Speaker 9: where you're required to if you don't answer and mars

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Speaker 9: to them. Honestly, there are severe reposci.

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Speaker 2: Because this is the question that we have. This is

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Speaker 2: the debate. Is Andrew Costa a bad guy? Or was

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Speaker 2: he just bad at his job? And unless you actually

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Speaker 2: investigate that, you will not know.

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Speaker 7: That's it.

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Speaker 9: That's exactly right. Look, I have worked with him, I

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Speaker 9: previously held him in high regard. I nothing's changed that

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Speaker 9: with his obligations and his interactions with me. He's somebody

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Speaker 9: who's a forward thinker, who's somebody who's very inclusive and

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Speaker 9: has work However, something has happened, what is it and

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Speaker 9: we're all just guessing what's happening. Needs to have somebody

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Speaker 9: with this robust ability to come in and go, right,

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Speaker 9: let's see what's happened in including perhaps some of the

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Speaker 9: members of Parliament and including you know, make it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I don't want to say, you know, a formal Crown investigation,

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Speaker 9: but it certainly needs to be something that's robust the

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Speaker 9: confidence and police would have taken a hit to restore

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Speaker 9: it is to bring out and expose what's happened, and that,

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Speaker 9: from what I can see, is what the current commissioner

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Speaker 9: is trying to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lance, listen, thank you. I appreciate your expertise there,

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Speaker 2: Lance Butt, former police negotiator.

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Speaker 1: Ever dup out right?

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Speaker 2: Congestion charging maybe coming to a motorway near you. The

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Speaker 2: government bill that allows for congestion charges has passed its

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Speaker 2: third reading in Parliament and councils can now propose schemes

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Speaker 2: to charge drivers for driving on certain busy roads at

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Speaker 2: certain times, subject to approval by the Transport Minister. Morris

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Speaker 2: Williamson is an Auckland councilor and with us now hey Morris, Hi,

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Speaker 2: Heather Aukland is going to be the first one to

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Speaker 2: do it. How soon?

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Speaker 20: Well, the first thing you need to know when you

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Speaker 20: read the legislation, it says it comes into effect on

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Speaker 20: the anniversary of the royal assent. So it can't be

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Speaker 20: for we haven't had the royal assent yet because only

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Speaker 20: passed last night. When the Governor General signs it, probably,

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Speaker 20: let's assume later this week or next week. The bill

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Speaker 20: can't come into effect for another year after that, which

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Speaker 20: is just after the election surprise, surprise, next year.

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Speaker 2: But then you probably need the time, don't you, to

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Speaker 2: actually set up more infrastructure and so on.

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Speaker 20: Well, no, from that point on you've got to begin

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Speaker 20: a long process of public consultation, setting up a board.

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Speaker 20: I'll make the wild prediction now you will not see

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Speaker 20: an operational congestion charging regime for a minimum of at

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Speaker 20: least three years from now, and I think more like

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Speaker 20: four years from now.

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Speaker 2: Oh well that's a bummer. I mean, surely I would

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Speaker 2: think that we need this sooner rather than later. What

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Speaker 2: do you think.

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Speaker 20: While there's a lot of opposition, A lot of counselors

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Speaker 20: at Auckland Council don't agree with it and don't want it.

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Speaker 20: I'm a big fan because I've seen elsewhere in the

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Speaker 20: world the impact it's had in Manhattan and New York.

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Speaker 20: They've only had it running for the course of a

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Speaker 20: year or so, it's dramatically reduced congestion, dramatically improved travel times,

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Speaker 20: and it means that people did start to begin to

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Speaker 20: choose other options, traveling at a different time of day,

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Speaker 20: or using public transport, or in some cases not even

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Speaker 20: needing to make the trip. But look, time is money,

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Speaker 20: and if you're a tradee're charging yourself out at eighty

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Speaker 20: dollars an hour and you're stuck for an hour in congestion,

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Speaker 20: would you be happy to pay, say five bucks and

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Speaker 20: get through there in twenty minutes time rather than an hour.

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Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely, Marris, Thank you as always, you just speak

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Speaker 2: with such common sense. Marris Williamson Auckland councilor right, let's

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Speaker 2: get to Sue chetwyn on the Costco opening in Drury,

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Speaker 2: south of Auckland next quarter past. Tell you what I'm

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Speaker 2: getting a lot of texts from police officers. Hither it's

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Speaker 2: corruption of process. I'm an ex police here, Mary Hither,

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Speaker 2: lancebur Debts Lunsber debts saying systems to blame what the

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Speaker 2: actual I used to work at police. This is not surprising.

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Speaker 2: Own people have made self centered decisions hither. I'm tired

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Speaker 2: of excuses like this. His statement about experience causing this

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Speaker 2: is rubbish. It's about protecting someone and that is all

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Speaker 2: it is. I think though, to be fair to Lance,

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Speaker 2: I think he has actually hit the issue on the head,

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Speaker 2: hasn't he? Which is that we actually, I hate to

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Speaker 2: say this, but we do need another investigation. So we've

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Speaker 2: kind of got the bare bones of it from the IPCA.

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Speaker 2: But what I now want to know is why did

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Speaker 2: they do it? Was their collusion? Should someone be charged?

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Speaker 2: Matthew Haig, who's a lawyer, is going to be with

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Speaker 2: us actually on the subject in twenty minutes. It's eighteen

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Speaker 2: past five now it is official. Costco is bringing its

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Speaker 2: second New Zealand store. Site's going to be in the

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Speaker 2: new Drury Town Center development, which is about thirty k's

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Speaker 2: south of Auckland. Sue Chetwin is the chair of the

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Speaker 2: Gross Reaction Group and with us, Hey, Sue higher, should

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Speaker 2: we expect it to do the same thing it's done

870
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Speaker 2: in West Auckland and drive down prices and the other

871
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: supermarkets in the area.

872
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 21: Look, I imagine that that will happen and that will

873
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 21: be great for shoppers who choose to Shoffen and Drury

874
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 21: and South of Auckland. But I don't think it's going

875
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 21: to be a game changer for supermarket shopping generally. I

876
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 21: mean Costco is a very sort of specific way of shopping.

877
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 21: You become a member. They don't have lots of supermarkets,

878
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 21: but they do offer really large discount so got on them.

879
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 21: I suppose one of the things that you could take

880
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 21: from this is that Costco is very large operator. You know,

881
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 21: they're there to make profits. They think that they can

882
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 21: be made in New Zealand. So it would be really

883
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 21: good if a third or fourth operator thought like that,

884
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 21: but was willing to have a few more super markets

885
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 21: so more people could benefit.

886
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 2: The difference between this Costco and the Costco that they've

887
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: got west of Auckland is that this one's going to

888
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: be able to sell booze because of course they've got

889
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 2: the weird thing happening in West Auckland. How much cheaper

890
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: is their booze offering? Do you know?

891
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 21: Look, I don't know, but I imagine, you know, that's

892
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 21: a very important part of you know, the geopolies sales,

893
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 21: you know, foods, stuffs and Woolworths, so it will be

894
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 21: significant I imagine for Costco.

895
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: Do you think that other supermarkets are pleased about this

896
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: or not terribly?

897
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 21: Look, I imagine you know that it's the sort of

898
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 21: competition that they might want to have because it is

899
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 21: only one another one new store. Ye say, it's not

900
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 21: you know, it's not a competitor coming in and saying

901
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 21: they're going to open in every town and city in

902
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 21: the country. I mean, you know, they're grade operators, but

903
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 21: they're not the one that's going to shift the dial.

904
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, Sue, it's very good to talk to you.

905
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, appreciate your time. That Sue Chetwin

906
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: Grocery Action Group chair. Hither that last bloke that'll be

907
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: Morris Williamson's commentary on the congestion charge, trades and travel

908
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: time and being willing to pay it doesn't work. We

909
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: don't charge for our travel time regards to us being

910
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: early or late. We just end up having to pay

911
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: the congestion charge either way and still get to work

912
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: at seven am normal time. Really though, because that's only

913
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: if you're working on one site. I get it if

914
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 2: you just get up a bit early, get to your site,

915
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: work there all day, go home. But if you're a

916
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: sparky or a plumber going from site to site to

917
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: site to site to site, I'm sure you want to

918
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: get there faster, wouldn't you? Way you can make more

919
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: dough in a day. Five to twenty one.

920
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: The day's newspeakers talk to Heather first, Heather Duplicy Ellen

921
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite

922
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: mobile new saw, said me.

923
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 2: Heather, Come on, may trades charge for mileage, Heather. All

924
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: the trades I deal with invoice me for travel to

925
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: the job that's from Francis Hither. That's rubbish. Trades don't

926
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: charge for travel time. I live in Trau and Laser

927
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: Plumbing charge me one hundred and five dollars to come

928
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: from Petaruu.

929
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 7: Me you go.

930
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: Five twenty three. Listen. As much as I love that

931
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 2: the police are going to finally roll out that roadside

932
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: drug testing, let's be honest. This is not a game

933
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: changer a I mean, this is not going to drastically

934
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: reduce the number of deaths on our road or suddenly

935
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: free us of druggies getting behind the wheel while they're

936
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 2: high because of the numbers. Let me give you two

937
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: numbers that are important here. The first one is fifty thousand.

938
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: That is how many tests the police are gonna do

939
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: roadside in the space of e Fifty thousand drug tests

940
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: is tiny. Police do four point two million alcohol breath

941
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: tests in a year. That's how many they did last year. Right,

942
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: fifty thousand drug tests is about one point two percent

943
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: of what they're doing alcohol wise. It's just not gonna

944
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: make a difference. The next number is five minutes. That

945
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: is how long you're gonna have to wait when you're

946
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: pulled over for a drug test. Now, that is a

947
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: long time to be sitting in a line of cars

948
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: on the side of the road to see where for

949
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: the police to see whether you're high or not. The

950
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: alcohol test takes what thirty If it takes thirty seconds,

951
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: that's a long time, isn't it. So the police can

952
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: hardly pull over that many drivers over at a time

953
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: before they've got enormous cues. So again, it just takes

954
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: too long to do this on mass I suspect that

955
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: this is going to be used in the same way

956
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: that low level drug charges are used, which is that

957
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: for the most part, they don't get rolled out unless

958
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: the police want to find a reason to take a

959
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: bad guy and to see somebody, they're like, I got

960
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 2: to get that guy out of the community, it into

961
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: the jail. Let's use a low level drug charge. It

962
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 2: feels like it's going to be used in the same way,

963
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: or maybe they'll use it when it's pretty clear they've

964
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: pulled over a car and it's got a car load

965
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: of gang members and then they've all got red eyes

966
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: and a pong's come out and they've clearly been hot boxing,

967
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: then they'll use it again. I still think, despite the

968
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: fact that I'm saying to you it's not going to

969
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: make a huge difference, I still think it's a good idea,

970
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: even just for the deterrence aspect, because the thing is

971
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: it might not be used a lot, but you never

972
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: know if it might be used on you. And I

973
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: know for a fact that there are a bunch of

974
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: stoners right now who are already hitting the news websites

975
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: and checking what the Drug Foundation's saying on their website

976
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: because they're schooling themselves out up because they're panicking and

977
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: having the druggies panic is enough for me. Hopefully it'll

978
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: keep a few drongos off the road while they're high,

979
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: just because they're scared. Ever do for see Allen Heather

980
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: on the Coru Club. You are so on point. What

981
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: is up with the food and the Koru lounge? The

982
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: weird combos they use to make raps is beyond crazy.

983
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: Raps are dry a the one with a pumpkin in it.

984
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: You're like, where's your ali? Just a little bit of

985
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 2: tangy sauce would be good with this dry ass wrap.

986
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: Certainly not catering for the Remember when they did the

987
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: plant based chicken Yep, yep, do hither. I've noticed there's

988
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 2: no blue vein cheese in the last few years because

989
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: they're doing cost saving yep, hither. I made the same

990
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: decision on the Corro. I've been a core member for

991
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: fifteen years. I can't justify that increase. Actually, that's very

992
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: salient point. So what's happened is not only is it expensive,

993
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: but it's gone up right, So it's now eight hundred

994
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: and thirty four dollars for a year long membership. That's

995
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: a twenty percent increase that happened last year and then,

996
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: by the way, you have to pay a two hundred

997
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 2: and fifty five dollars joining fee if you haven't already joined.

998
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: So that's two hundred and fiftylus eight hundred and thirty four.

999
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: Like you're over one thousand dollars now. So basically what

1000
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: it means is if I decide to let this rap

1001
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: it lapse, which I now have, like I'm not going

1002
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: to pay that much money for dry raps, I'm going

1003
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: to let it lap, which means that my barrier to

1004
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: entry is now huge. Now if I want to do

1005
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: it in five years, I have to pay more than

1006
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars. Hell no, hell no, for all of

1007
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: that nonsense that I don't get. That means this is

1008
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: the first time in twenty years or something that I'm

1009
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: not going to be a core member. I'm not sad

1010
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: about it. Do you remember the good days, which weren't

1011
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: that long ago, where you go in and there big newspapers.

1012
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't have those anymore. Or when you go and

1013
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: you'd get a coffee, they'll make you a love a

1014
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: little flat white you could walk to the plane with. No,

1015
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: they don't know to sustain at lady, they don't do that.

1016
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: So what are you getting? Like I said, all you're

1017
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: getting is someway to put your bag down and go

1018
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 2: and do a Wii without a que So there's a

1019
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: lot of money to pay for that privilege, isn't it anyway?

1020
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: More on Jevan mcskimming.

1021
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: Next the name you trust to get the answers you need,

1022
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage.

1023
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: Like no one else us talk they'd be.

1024
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 22: You don't.

1025
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: Don Braid is main freight is going to be with

1026
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: us after six o'clock. Had a bit of a tough

1027
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: time in the six months dropped profit has dropped almost

1028
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 2: twenty percent, so who's going to talk us through? They're

1029
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: also always happy to hear Don take on what's going

1030
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: on with the economy because he's got a really good

1031
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: view of it. So as I say, after six o'clock,

1032
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: huddle standing by, it's twenty four away from six right

1033
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: now now. One of the questions today over the Jevin

1034
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 2: Mcskimming Andrew Costa affair is whether there will be charges

1035
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: against laid against any of these police officers. The Police

1036
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 2: Minister and the current Police Commissioner, Richard Chambers are calling

1037
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: it a cover up?

1038
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 3: Was there a cover up?

1039
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 7: We look current.

1040
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 10: The report speaks for itself, and you know, I know

1041
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 10: that people will interpret it. I've had a lot of

1042
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 10: messages from my car.

1043
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: How do you interpret select?

1044
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: Oh?

1045
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 10: Look, I think absolutely it is right.

1046
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: That's obviously an interview from Morning Report this Morning on

1047
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: Radio and New Zealand. Matthew Haig is a lawyer and

1048
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: a former police officer and with us Now Home. Matthew,

1049
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: do you think it's a cover up?

1050
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 23: Yes?

1051
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: Is that like a legal term or is that just

1052
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: a vibe?

1053
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 24: No?

1054
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 23: I think it's more than a vibe. I think this

1055
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 23: comprehensive report makes very clear that the senior executive of

1056
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 23: our police sought to minimize of we'd lie criminal liability

1057
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 23: because of a commissioner appointment process which was completely inappropriate.

1058
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: Does intent matter here? I mean, does it make a

1059
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: difference if Andrew Coster was thought that the woman was

1060
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: telling lies and he was trying to protect what he

1061
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: thought was a good officer. Is that still a cover I.

1062
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 23: Think yes it is, And I think intent matters for

1063
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 23: two reasons. One is what he touched on before, which

1064
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 23: is is there any criminal liability here? And the second

1065
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 23: is what we might what we see is corruption. Some

1066
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 23: people might see corruption as the stereotypical police accepting a bribe,

1067
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 23: but corruption is much wider than that, and there's something

1068
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 23: called noble course corruption, which I think is this, in

1069
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 23: my opinion, is a good example.

1070
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: Of what's noble cause corruption.

1071
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 23: So noble course corruption is I think what the New

1072
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 23: Zealand plice are at Morriskov, which is they do the

1073
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 23: wrong thing for the right reason. And the vast majority

1074
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 23: of the men and woman and our police do the

1075
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 23: right thing for the right reason. But it's tempting sometimes

1076
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 23: to take shortcuts to do things and not quite the

1077
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 23: right way for what they see as the greater reason.

1078
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 23: But as we seen in this case, that leads to

1079
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 23: an undermining and trust in the place and really bad

1080
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 23: results for everyone.

1081
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 2: Are there charges that can be laid as a result

1082
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: of noble cause corruption.

1083
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 23: No, But what I think Commissioner Will, former Commissioner Costa

1084
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 23: and some others should be concerned about is potentially charges

1085
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Speaker 23: of perverting the course of justice. The report doesn't make

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Speaker 23: any conclusions, and I don't have any conclusions on legal liability,

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Speaker 23: but if someone improperly seeks to influence a criminal investigation,

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Speaker 23: which in my opinion, the report clearly says Deputy Commissioner

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Speaker 23: Terror and Commissioner Costa did maybe in their minds for

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Speaker 23: the right reasons, and there could be that criminal liability there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do we need further investigations?

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Speaker 23: I think it's very likely there will be an investigation now,

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Speaker 23: and that would have started probably when the IPSA released

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Speaker 23: their draft report to the New Zealand place.

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Speaker 2: And who will be running that investigation?

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Speaker 23: It's a good question because normally I like to say

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Speaker 23: the police, but of course in this case the highest

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Speaker 23: levels the investigation is into the police. I think the

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Speaker 23: only lucky thing here is that there has been a

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Speaker 23: significant change in the Peace Executive and to the current

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Speaker 23: Commissioner's credit, he's been incredibly outspoken, perhaps unusually so for

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Speaker 23: in his condemnation of this matter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah so, Lance Boudette suggested perhaps the Serious Fraud Office

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Speaker 2: would be would they be.

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Speaker 3: The right ones?

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Speaker 23: No? In my opinion, no, I think the Serious Fraud

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Speaker 23: Office do deal with serious corruption, but they tend to

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Speaker 23: be sort of more white collar financial crime. That's not

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Speaker 23: to say they can't. I just think it's a tough question.

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Speaker 23: I think the New Zealand place should technically be doing it,

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Speaker 23: but they should probably appoint all kinds of independent expert

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Speaker 23: investigators to do the work.

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Speaker 2: I see. Okay, Now do you find it odd that

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Speaker 2: this has been released? The IPCA report has been released,

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Speaker 2: and Richard Chambers has had some heads up in some

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Speaker 2: ability to read it, you know, the couple of weeks beforehand,

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Speaker 2: and yet no follow up investigations have yet been announced.

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Speaker 2: Or should we just be a patient?

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Speaker 23: I think I'm not surprised they haven't been announced, but

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Speaker 23: I think it's highly likely they will have started, or

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Speaker 23: at least they will be in the process of starting.

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Speaker 23: I don't think you can read that report and come

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Speaker 23: away feeling satisfied that there may not be criminal liability

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Speaker 23: that lest needs to be investigated, because that's not the

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Speaker 23: job of the IPCAA. The IPCAA is conduct. It's not

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Speaker 23: criminal investigations that has yet to be concluded.

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Speaker 2: Chances of charges being late, I don't know.

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Speaker 23: Sorry, It's a unique situation, you know, honestly, maybe unlikely

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Speaker 23: but possible, but even unlikely but possible in these circumstances,

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Speaker 23: as a pretty extraordinary state of affairs.

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Speaker 2: More serious or less serious than the Louise Nicholas case.

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Speaker 23: I think it's hard to compare the two because you're

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Speaker 23: dealing with women who have had incredibly horrific things happen

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Speaker 23: to them. I think they're worse in different ways. The

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Speaker 23: Louise Nicholas case it went to the high levels of

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Speaker 23: police leadership, but that's right as I when we're not

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Speaker 23: to the police executive and Wellington at this level, whereas

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Speaker 23: this case, it's just I can't understand how these senior, experience,

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Speaker 23: trusted leaders thought this would withstand scrutiny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you, Matthew. It's good to talk to

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Speaker 2: you as always. Matthew Hayge a lawyer and former police officer.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find your

1144
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Speaker 1: one of a kind.

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Speaker 2: On the Huddle this evening we have Jack Tame, host

1146
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Speaker 2: of Q and A Saturday Mornings on Newstalks, the'd Be,

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00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: and David Ferrer of Kiwi Blog and also a poster

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Speaker 2: for Caurier. Hello you two, Jack. It seems to be

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Speaker 2: that another investigation is not likely but necessary. What do

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Speaker 2: you think?

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Speaker 24: Yeah? Yeah, I mean, first of all, Matthew outstanding, like

1152
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Speaker 24: absolutely hit the nail on the head there. I think

1153
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Speaker 24: he's totally right in the Commission Chambers has been right

1154
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 24: to be super outspoken about this and when it comes

1155
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Speaker 24: to police's reputation, maximum transparency is in the institution's interests, right,

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Speaker 24: It is in the interests of police to have every

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Speaker 24: bit of transparency. Now, every investigation is necessary in order

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Speaker 24: to regain the trust of the public which will have

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Speaker 24: been lost through.

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Speaker 3: This whole process.

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Speaker 24: And judging from the Commission's comments over the last twenty

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Speaker 24: four hours, you can imagine he's the sort of person

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Speaker 24: who would probably support that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is there any way David, that they can that

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Speaker 2: there could not be an investigation? I mean it seems

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Speaker 2: to me like it is an absolute necessity.

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Speaker 3: I think it is.

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Speaker 13: Where it ends up, we don't know, but there is

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Speaker 13: clearly potential criminal offending there. I mean, when you look

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Speaker 13: at this, so much you could talk about, but just

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Speaker 13: the fact we've learnt that the Commissioner instructed the private

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Speaker 13: sexies and the Minister's offer us to hide from the

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Speaker 13: Minister and the Minister's other start any emails about mixciving.

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Speaker 13: Now they knew he was applying for Commissioner, the Minister

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Speaker 13: and the PM appoint the commissioner to actually actively be

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Speaker 13: hiding reputational emails from the minister by instructing his own

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Speaker 13: starts not to show them.

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Speaker 2: Even if you believe that he thinks he's doing the

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Speaker 2: right thing and stopping some like in his mind, maybe

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Speaker 2: some natty x from ruining this guy's career. Even if

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Speaker 2: you think that you're doing the right thing, it is

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Speaker 2: the wrong thing to hide. It isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 24: Absolutely?

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Speaker 13: And here's what's shocking. It wasn't one or two bad

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Speaker 13: apples implicated for really bad decision making sure he's on

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Speaker 13: There is the commissioner, three deeply commissioners and two assistant commissioners.

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Speaker 13: Six are probably the top Nllie police officers at the time,

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Speaker 13: and none of.

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Speaker 24: Them said, hey, wait a sec, maybe we shouldn't just

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Speaker 24: like listen.

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Speaker 13: To one side of this, Maybe we should investigate him

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Speaker 13: find out the fact.

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Speaker 3: That's what's astonishing.

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Speaker 13: Don't blame it all on Costa that there were three

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Speaker 13: deep please, two assistants and the commissioner all applied appalling judgment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right now, Jack, what do you reckon? Do

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Speaker 2: you reckon Andrew Costa did it because he's a bad

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Speaker 2: guy or do you think he did it because he's

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Speaker 2: just bad at his job and displayed some very bad judgment.

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Speaker 24: I have absolutely no idea, and I think it's interesting

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Speaker 24: that he's at the center of all of this, given

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Speaker 24: he was such a politically divisive figure when he was commissioner.

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Speaker 24: You know, he had a huge levels of support, was

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Speaker 24: promoted at quite a young age and was a sort

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Speaker 24: of new thing, and then obviously fell out of political support.

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Speaker 24: But clearly the fact that this report has come from

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Speaker 24: the Independent Police Conduct Authority is absolutely vital. This isn't

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Speaker 24: a politically motivated report. I mean that the clue is

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Speaker 24: in the name they are independent. That being said, I

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Speaker 24: mean I think it's totally untenable for him to continue

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Speaker 24: in his current position. I just hope that when a

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Speaker 24: deal is negotiated or whatever is decided, and it may

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Speaker 24: have already been decided today, that we hear from Andrew Costa.

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Speaker 24: I think it's really really important that we actually understand

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Speaker 24: from his perspective exactly what's gone down. So I hope

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Speaker 24: that if the deal is reached, it doesn't include some

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Speaker 24: all encompassing gag order that means he doesn't ever make

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Speaker 24: par but comments about it I think the public deserved

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Speaker 24: to hear from him.

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Speaker 2: You're right and you should absolutely not get a payout.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a break. Come back to you guys in

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Speaker 2: a tip.

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Speaker 1: Quarter two The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,

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Speaker 1: the Global Leader and Luxury real Estate.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the Huddle. David Pharaoh, Jack Tame,

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Speaker 2: David Labor can probably take heart, can't it that its

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Speaker 2: voters held up and it's actually gone up despite the

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Speaker 2: capital gains tax policy announcement.

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Speaker 13: Yeh, Look, if you're a party, gain up's always good

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Speaker 13: than the polls after policy. Really having said that they'd

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Speaker 13: rather they went up at the expense of national than

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Speaker 13: the Greens, because obviously one grows the center left vote

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Speaker 13: and one doesn't. But even between that to one side,

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Speaker 13: if your Laby, you'd rather you have that two extra

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Speaker 13: percent than the Greens have it, Jack.

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Speaker 24: I mean, just think about every other time they try

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Speaker 24: to capital gains tacks and it's effectively tanked their campaigns.

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Speaker 24: I think that policy was very, very deliberately designed to

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Speaker 24: upset the fewest voters possible. They've managed to launch it

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Speaker 24: and hasn't totally tanked them. Their votes held about the same.

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Speaker 24: I reckon they will chalk this up as a significant

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Speaker 24: policy victory. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I would say so as well, David, because I mean

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Speaker 2: what it's done is it's managed to kind of pulling

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Speaker 2: that because they do want to increase themselves within the

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Speaker 2: left block, and there was no way that they were

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Speaker 2: going to increase They weren't going to increase the block itself,

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Speaker 2: were they. So actually, all things considered, this is about

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Speaker 2: the best they could hope for.

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Speaker 13: I won't quite go there.

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Speaker 3: I've a very early day.

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Speaker 13: People just know, okay only applies to property. I think

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Speaker 13: when you see a real campaign launched against him, there

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Speaker 13: is going to be one pointing out that taxes you

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Speaker 13: for inflation that has not real gains its nominal I

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Speaker 13: think then you may find it starts to go the

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Speaker 13: other way. For I think New Zealanders believe in fairness,

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Speaker 13: and I don't think that people will see it fear

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Speaker 13: that you tax people just for.

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Speaker 2: Infort David, is this campaign going to be launched by

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Speaker 2: the Taxpayers Union rather than the National Party.

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Speaker 13: I have no knowledge of what tax what Necual Party

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Speaker 13: is going to do, because the.

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Speaker 2: National Party seems incapable of running a campaign against it.

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Speaker 2: At the moment, they've been weirdly mute on.

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Speaker 13: It, probably, But yeah, I don't know what Nationals seeing.

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Speaker 13: But yes, I'm almost certain the Tax Riders Union will

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Speaker 13: of course be campaigning against a new increased tax, especially

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Speaker 13: one that taxes inflation.

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Speaker 3: That's their job. Well.

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Speaker 2: See, now this is a good point from from David,

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Speaker 2: isn't it, Jack, Because once that campaign gets up and running,

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Speaker 2: labor should fall back in the poll.

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Speaker 24: Well yeah, maybe it's just just just you know, I mean,

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Speaker 24: I think it's just been so carefully, so meticulously engineered

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Speaker 24: that they are just trying to hold off attacks from

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Speaker 24: the left and hold off the attacks from the right,

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Speaker 24: and try and hold the central ground. I'm sure that

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Speaker 24: once we get a little closer to the election, both

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Speaker 24: the Tax page Union and National and Act and maybe

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Speaker 24: even New Zealand First are going to sharpen the spears

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Speaker 24: a little bit and attacking the policy. So yeah, I

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Speaker 24: don't think we can.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we.

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Speaker 22: Can write it off.

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Speaker 24: Yet, compared to previous launchers of a capital gains tax,

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Speaker 24: you would have to say that labor support is holding

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Speaker 24: up better than it has on the multi Yes, yes,

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Speaker 24: and it's extremely low bar.

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Speaker 2: Now, Jack, would you rather the council reseal your road

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Speaker 2: with chip seal or asphelt given chip seal as a

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Speaker 2: whole lot cheaper.

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Speaker 24: Do you know what I want? I want to I

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Speaker 24: want more for less, so I want to pay the

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Speaker 24: same rates.

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Speaker 3: But I want my road to have nice ash felt.

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Speaker 2: Are you getting as felt on your road because there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of roads.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 24: No, I've got I've got the old chip seal. And

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Speaker 24: the thing that annoys me more than the ash felt

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Speaker 24: versus chip seal is I've still got like heaps of

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Speaker 24: really old telephone lines everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Gets it to the front of the villa.

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Speaker 24: Ah, it's a bit of a honestly, it's like it

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Speaker 24: feels like you're sort of like a developing country at times.

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Speaker 24: Like I look at some of these lines and I'm like,

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Speaker 24: there's not even leading anywhere. It's flopping around in the wind.

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Speaker 24: It's a total anyway, So I would, I would. That

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Speaker 24: would be my number one priority when it comes to

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Speaker 24: street a stead.

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Speaker 2: What have you got, David? Have you got? Have you

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Speaker 2: got asphelt or chip seal and lines up or lines down?

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Speaker 13: Ash for oulfhand But lines are up, but lot chip seal.

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Speaker 13: It's not't just slightly cheaper, it's natively cheaper.

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Speaker 9: So I am of the.

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Speaker 13: View that you should be used yet because look of rates,

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Speaker 13: we're getting up tour three percent maybe, but rates bring

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Speaker 13: out ten or twenty percent. You have to, you know,

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Speaker 13: do the mustive that Jack.

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Speaker 2: Is a member of the taxpayers Union. It's really important

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Speaker 2: to understand that he's just tight.

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Speaker 24: As can we Can we how about this for a compromise?

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Speaker 24: Can we this is really going to wind you up?

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Speaker 24: Can we have chip seal for the road, but tar

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Speaker 24: seal for my bike lane?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Oh you know what that just that I have announced today?

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Speaker 2: You bus killed me Jack, But I can understand it

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Speaker 2: because I don't want you to die when you're on

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Speaker 2: your bike. Hey guys, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: David Farrer, Jack tamer Huddle. This evening ate away from.

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Speaker 1: Six, It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: B UH five Away from six. Listen. If you're worried

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Speaker 2: about the debt, you are not gonna love what I'm

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Speaker 2: about to tell you. The country's overdue tax debt has

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Speaker 2: hit nine point three billion dollars for the year to June.

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Speaker 2: It is now growing faster than both the economy and

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Speaker 2: the government's tax take. Jane Tibschraney as The Herald's Wellington

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Speaker 2: Business I need to be clear when I talk about

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Speaker 2: the overde It's not like the money that we as

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Speaker 2: a country out like. It's not our debt. It's not

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Speaker 2: the crown debt. It's debt that is owed in the

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Speaker 2: country to the IID Anyway, Jane tips Trainey is going

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Speaker 2: to be with us after half pus six and talk

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Speaker 2: us through that.

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Speaker 7: Here.

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Speaker 2: The chip seal is worse than potholes because you get

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Speaker 2: stone chips everywhere. Heather, we were in a transport shuttle

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Speaker 2: when the subject of the capital gains tax came up.

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Speaker 2: Every person in the shuttle, apart from myself and my partner,

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Speaker 2: were enthusiastically supportive of a capital tax. We were shocked.

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Speaker 2: I'm shocked. I'm so shocked. I choose not to believe you.

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Speaker 2: I still think, well, you wait for it. Listen, mark

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Speaker 2: my words, mark my words, and we will take a

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Speaker 2: bet on it. Nobody in this country can run a

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Speaker 2: campaign as well as the guys who are behind. Because

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Speaker 2: I know who run the campaigns for the tax Capital,

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Speaker 2: for the Taxpayer's Union, various other like affiliated outfits. Those

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Speaker 2: guys run campaigns like you wouldn't believe. When they get

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Speaker 2: started on the capital games, tax labor is going to

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Speaker 2: cry and their voter is going to come back. Mark

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Speaker 2: my words, what sch it happened? We will talk then

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Speaker 2: you're not going to like it so much. Listen to this.

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Speaker 2: By the way, on the text sheet, I am still

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Speaker 2: getting texts from people who are getting money from the

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Speaker 2: ID on account of what we told you on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Hither I did the IID claim your unclaimed money thingy

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Speaker 2: this morning that you recommended. My full name showed up

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Speaker 2: with eight thousand, nine hundred and ninety two dollars owing

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Speaker 2: from the B and Z. Now the problem is I've

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Speaker 2: never banked with the B and Z. However, my father's

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Speaker 2: personal and company accounts were with the B and Z,

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Speaker 2: and he was known to do odd things. Like a

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Speaker 2: year or two ago, I had to do some insurance stuff,

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01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: only to discover I had a policy that he took

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Speaker 2: out in the sixties for me, and it had a

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Speaker 2: cash out of four thousand dollars. So I took it.

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Speaker 2: Of course, So if the B and Z payout happens.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to pay you ten percent, renegging on

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Speaker 2: the deal, Michael, it was my deal. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to pay you ten percent. However, I will take you

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Speaker 2: and your husband to the boozer heads up. It could

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Speaker 2: take three months, mate. I'm up for that. Eighty nine

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety two dollars. There's a lot of money

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Speaker 2: to be spent at the boozer.

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Speaker 22: But also old idea. I mean, no one's paying their

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Speaker 22: tax debt to them and now we're taking all their

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Speaker 22: money off.

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Speaker 2: That's true, right, Like I said, aren't we doing a

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Speaker 2: lot for that cost of living crisis. I'm so pleased

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Speaker 2: with this show. We deserve an award for it. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Don Bray mainfreight with us next on what's going on

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Speaker 2: with the economy, and also his Business News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money is flowing, the Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Hand, the Duplic Hour, and Mare's Motor Vehicle Insurance,

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Speaker 1: Your Futures in Good Hands, New Stork ZB.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up in the next hour, Milkit Asset

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Speaker 2: Management on what the markets will do when the US

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Speaker 2: government shutdown finally ends. Genative Trainee on the outstanding debt

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Speaker 2: that is growing to the ID and Gavin Gray is

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Speaker 2: in the UK for US at seven past six. Now

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Speaker 2: it's another tough six months for Main Freight. The logistics

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Speaker 2: business has posted a net profit after tax of ninety

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Speaker 2: three million dollars for the half year. That's down eighteen

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Speaker 2: and a half percent, and the company's operations in the

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Speaker 2: Americas have performed poorly, making a loss of two point

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Speaker 2: three million dollars. Don Braid is Main Freight's group managing director.

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Speaker 2: Hey Don, Hi, Heather, how are you and very well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? So what are the challenges you've been facing here?

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Speaker 7: Oh? All sorts are you know, we had had a

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Speaker 7: tough start to the year in the first quarter and

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Speaker 7: that result that we've produced for the half year is

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Speaker 7: actually better than what we saw in the first quarter

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Speaker 7: that we announced at the AGM. So it's improving and

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Speaker 7: we certainly feel a lot more.

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Speaker 25: Buoyant about what's in front of us and an amount

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Speaker 25: of market share gains, customers sending more with us around

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Speaker 25: the world, so we feel a bit more positive as

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Speaker 25: we head into the second six months.

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Speaker 2: So do you think things are going to get better

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Speaker 2: from here? You seeing signs of that here we.

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01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 7: Are definitely with established customers sending more, spending more with us,

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Speaker 7: and market share gains of of our own violation where

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Speaker 7: we're winning business across the network.

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Speaker 2: What do you think is going on with our attitude

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Speaker 2: towards tariff so we largely ignoring it?

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Speaker 7: Well, my advice, I had the opportunity to be in

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Speaker 7: the US in the last three weeks, and my advice

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Speaker 7: to some of those people New Zealanity exporters who were

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Speaker 7: complaining about the fifteen percent, wanting it to be ten percent,

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Speaker 7: The reality is it's fifteen Get on with it, Increase

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Speaker 7: your pricing a card, and that's the game you're going

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Speaker 7: to have to play.

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Speaker 2: Have they followed your advice.

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure. I'm not sure there should be well

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Speaker 7: advised to do that either, and I'm not sure it's

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Speaker 7: that easy. But I do think that we are overly

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Speaker 7: fixated on it and it is the way of the

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Speaker 7: world these days, so accept it.

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Speaker 2: And that hoarding that was going on don at the

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Speaker 2: start ahead of the tariff's kicking in, where people were

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Speaker 2: sending just a whole bunch out warehousing. It has that

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Speaker 2: now ended.

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Speaker 7: And there's still plenty of stock around, but certainly. I

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Speaker 7: think what's happened overall is the nervousness of the tariff's situation.

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Speaker 7: There's some sort of sensibility to whatever the tariffs are

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Speaker 7: going to be. Even this last session that they've had

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Speaker 7: with China, they've settled on a set of tariffs for

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Speaker 7: the next twelve months. That's giving people some confidence. So

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Speaker 7: they're getting on and doing business, isn't now?

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Speaker 2: I mean, because you operate in various parts of the world,

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Speaker 2: it gives you a really great view of what is

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Speaker 2: going on in our economy. What are you seeing here

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand? How will we going?

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Speaker 7: It's better and it's got better in certainly the last

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Speaker 7: couple of months, and you know, the dark depths of

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Speaker 7: winter have this definitely disappeared behind us, and we're seeing

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Speaker 7: our customers feeling more positive and sending more freight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a big difference. Now do you have

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Speaker 2: a view on the debate about the Ports of Auckland

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Speaker 2: hiking the fees?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 7: Whether I want to share that with you, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: But what I.

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Speaker 7: Would urge the Ports of Auckland to do is that

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Speaker 7: this will be further imposts on exporters and importers. However,

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Speaker 7: I urge them to think about a multimodal approach rather

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Speaker 7: than just a trucking approach, and I think they're far

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Speaker 7: too geared towards moving freight on trucks rather than actually

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Speaker 7: using rail off the port and onto the port.

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Speaker 2: Interesting don't always got to talk to you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for your time, mate. That's Don Braid, Main

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Speaker 2: Freight Group Managing Director, eleven past six.

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Speaker 1: D Heather due to see all.

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Speaker 2: The guy who was running the BBC who has resigned

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Speaker 2: from the BBC has absolutely lost the plot. Like I

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Speaker 2: think so many people who've just been drinking the BBC's

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Speaker 2: kool aid. BBC people have. He's given interviews defending the BBC.

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Speaker 2: He reckons the criticism of the BEB for twisting Trump's

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Speaker 2: words is quote weaponization of criticisms. He's talked like in

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Speaker 2: this interview is talking about the BBC having enemies. Then

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Speaker 2: he says, I'm fiercely proud of this organization. There are

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Speaker 2: difficult times it goes through, but it just does good work.

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Speaker 2: That speaks. It speaks louder than any newspaper is Obviously,

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Speaker 2: what he's talking about is the Telegraph, because the Telegraph

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Speaker 2: are the ones who've been leading the charge on the

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Speaker 2: BBC any weaponization. We are the very best of what

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Speaker 2: I think we should be as a society and that

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Speaker 2: will never change. But no, I don't think so. If

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Speaker 2: the very best looks like sneering at somebody you don't

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01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 2: agree with, and they're making them say something so it

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Speaker 2: sounds like what you want them to have said rather

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Speaker 2: than what they actually said, I don't think that's the

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Speaker 2: very best anyway. Like this, everybody who's defending the BBC,

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Speaker 2: what they're doing is minimizing what the bee did, which

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Speaker 2: is bad. We'll talk to Gavin Gray when he's with

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Speaker 2: us in about half an hour's time, twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: full on collision. MAZ has you covered and their motor

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Speaker 2: Vehicle insurance comes with some pretty smart benefits. With MAS

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Speaker 2: comprehensive cover, you're gonna get your windscreen and your lost

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Speaker 2: key's replaced. It no excess. Plus, you have the freedom

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Speaker 2: to choose your own repairer, one that you trust. With

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Speaker 2: MAS Motor Vehicle Insurance, your future is in good hands.

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Speaker 2: no strings attached quote. Visit maths, dot co, do on

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Speaker 1: Apply, approaching the numbers and getting the results. Let's Heather

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Speaker 1: du Plessy Allen on the Business Hour with MAS Motor

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Speaker 1: Vehicle Insurance, your futures in good hands, used talks'd be.

1525
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Speaker 2: Can you please repeat the tax refund web address. It's

1526
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 2: not a tax refund web address, it's an unclaimed money's thing.

1527
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 2: So if somebody owed, for example Lois who sent me

1528
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 2: a screen grab today of the two thousand dollars one

1529
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four dollars that Amex owed her. It's

1530
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 2: when some other business out there owes you money, it

1531
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 2: goes to the IID pot after if they haven't been

1532
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 2: able to track you down for five years, you go

1533
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 2: and just so what you want to do is hit

1534
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 2: the Google go i ird Unclaimed Money, and then follow

1535
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 2: the links, put your name in and see if they

1536
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 2: owe you some dollars. And what I want to know is,

1537
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 2: now that I've repeated it for all the myriad texts

1538
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 2: that are asking me for it, keep me posted on

1539
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 2: how rich I'm making you, because I'll tell you what.

1540
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 2: There's a thing with it that they've done studies about,

1541
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: like what makes you feel happy and the things that

1542
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 2: make you the happiest in the world is not when

1543
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 2: you receive, but when you help others to receive. It's

1544
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 2: like I'm just basically like Jesus for you and it

1545
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 2: makes them very happy. So keep the text coming and

1546
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: let me know. Seventeen past six, Jeremy Hutton mil Fit

1547
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 2: Asset Management is with me. Hi, Jeremy, good evening, head

1548
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 2: up now. We spoke to Don Braid not long ago.

1549
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 2: Main freight share price has reacted well to that result.

1550
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 19: Today I am yeah, Main Freight share price is up

1551
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 19: over six percent today, so I reacted pretty well. And

1552
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 19: you know, I did listen to Don just before, and

1553
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 19: he did mention that the first quarter was pretty tough

1554
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 19: for them, but the second quarter was much improved and

1555
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 19: then you know the outlook as well, what they commented

1556
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 19: on is going to be stronger again still. So it

1557
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 19: was a lot better than what the market was anticipating,

1558
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 19: and it hence reacted pretty well.

1559
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:43,839
Speaker 20: Now there can be a little.

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Speaker 19: Bit of noise around main freight, you given it as

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Speaker 19: a very global business these days, and some of the

1562
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 19: global news recently around you know, Tariff's global trade shipping

1563
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 19: has been reasonably negative. But you know, the key thing

1564
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 19: about Mainfreight to remember is that you know, the Australian

1565
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 19: and the New Zealand divisions are a real house and

1566
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 19: you know they continue to really drive the performance of

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01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 19: this business. And that was that was really strong again,

1568
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 19: so investors would do well to remember that. But then

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01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 19: the other point that I found really interesting and and

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01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 19: he mentioned this as well as on the local New

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01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 19: Zealand data, is just you know, them seeing that their

1572
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 19: customer volumes or same customer volumes are increasing versus last year.

1573
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 19: You know, this is just a further indicator for me

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01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 19: that you know, the New Zealand recovery is underway, and

1575
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 19: you know that more activity is happening, which is really good.

1576
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is good. Now on the US, Jeremy, we

1577
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 2: have the share market recovering a little bit this week,

1578
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 2: haven't we with the government shutdown potentially ending.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, global stock markets were a bit nervous last week

1580
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 19: and then they wobbled, and you know, tech and AI

1581
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 19: stocks they were leading the declines. And it was a

1582
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 19: little bit odd to me. You wouldn't think that AI

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01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 19: companies that are most impacted by you know, a US

1584
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 19: government shut down. It would be other sectors. But you know,

1585
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 19: sometimes the market does sort of tend to find the

1586
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 19: narrative that that that suits the move. But I would

1587
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 19: just say it was a general risk off move last week,

1588
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 19: and you know that's reversed about this week, and you

1589
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 19: know gold that was up strongly again. This is seen

1590
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 19: as now at risk on play by markets sort of

1591
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 19: like bitcoin or you know, some of the racier tech stocks.

1592
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 19: But there are still a few concerns out there.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 19: You know, some of those AI companies have really high

1595
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 19: valuations and then some of the data out of the

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01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 19: US has been a bit mixed. It has been second

1597
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 19: tier data. But now with the shutdown ending, we should

1598
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 19: get some of that high quality US data. We can

1599
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 19: see how the economy is tracking there and into the

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Speaker 19: rest of the year.

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Speaker 2: And is it normally the case that the performance of

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01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: markets is strong after a shutdown ending.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, this is quite interesting. So you know, historical data,

1604
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 19: it showed that, you know, we've had forty years of

1605
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 19: US government shutdowns and since the been ending, and the

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01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 19: SMP five hundred is usually up on average two and

1607
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 19: a half percent after one month of a shutdown ending,

1608
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 19: and then after three months it's up over five percent,

1609
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 19: So you know, regionably good historical basis there, and then

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 19: you know it could imply that the center early is

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01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 19: back on heading into the end of this year.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Hey, thanks very much, Jeremy, appreciate it. Jeremy Hutton,

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01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 2: Milford Asset Management's coming up twenty past six. I totally

1614
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 2: forgot to say to talk to you about this earlier,

1615
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 2: and about two hours ago I said I was going

1616
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 2: to talk about it. So better late than never.

1617
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 7: Though.

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01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: The question is whether the ministers knew when they appointed

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01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: Andrew Costa out of the police because they wanted to

1620
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 2: get him out of the poll Police commissioner a job, right,

1621
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 2: they wanted to get him out of it, so they

1622
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 2: found him a sweet little gig, which was the Social

1623
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 2: Investment Agency job. And when they did that, the question

1624
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 2: is did they know what we know now that he'd

1625
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 2: been doing this gigantic cover up in their words, that

1626
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 2: he'd been doing this gigantic cover up to help help

1627
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 2: out his mate, JEFFN mcskimming. It doesn't look like it

1628
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 2: because the dates, the dates just don't suggest that they

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01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 2: would have known. So he was appointed to the Social

1630
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 2: Investment Agency on the twenty fourth of September last year.

1631
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 2: The complaints to the IPCA were only It was only

1632
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 2: referred to the IPCA on the tenth of October. Now,

1633
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 2: remember up to that point, and Costa is angry when

1634
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 2: he finds out that it's been that the IPCA have

1635
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 2: got wind of it, and that Officer m who's an

1636
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 2: absolute legend, had been responsible for getting it through to

1637
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 2: the IPCL and the tenth of October. He was cross

1638
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,759
Speaker 2: about it because up to that point he had probably

1639
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 2: felt that he'd managed to keep a little on this thing.

1640
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 2: So on the tenth of October it has escalated to

1641
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 2: the IPCA, So I suspect that that's the first that

1642
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 2: anybody And even then I think it'll be a while

1643
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 2: before the police before ministers start becoming aware of things.

1644
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 2: I don't think the ministers would because at that stage

1645
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 2: it's just a smattering of officers who think something is

1646
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 2: off here. Very unlikely it would have got to ministers.

1647
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 2: So I think it starts escalating from tenth of October.

1648
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 2: Even then it'll take a while for ministers to be

1649
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 2: aware of it. But September twenty fourth is when he's appointed.

1650
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 2: So no, I suspect he was appointed before anyone knew

1651
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 2: anything really at that kind of a level six twenty.

1652
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: One, whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's

1653
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,759
Speaker 1: all on the business hour where the Heather Duper Clan

1654
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: and mass motor Vehicle Insurance. Your futures in good hands.

1655
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 2: US talks be really quick. Update on that situation with

1656
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 2: the Oyster farmers up north of Auckland. Water Care has

1657
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 2: today made an immediate compensation payment of a million dollars

1658
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 2: for the overflow the other day now six twenty four,

1659
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 2: something that it feels to me like the business with

1660
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: the Maori Party has not finished yet. So what's been

1661
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 2: going on this week is that the two ousted MPs

1662
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 2: haven't been at parliament right, the two that they kicked out,

1663
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,600
Speaker 2: they haven't come to work. But another two have been

1664
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 2: missing as well, which is the two new ones, the

1665
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: two Young Ones or Any Kaiper and Hana Raftimipi Clark.

1666
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 2: Which means of the six MP's that there were in

1667
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 2: the Maori Party, only two are turning up to Parliament

1668
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 2: at the moment, which is the co leaders Debbie and Rahwarri.

1669
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 2: But what makes it even weirder is both the Young

1670
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 2: Ones or Any and Hana Rafati have posted on social

1671
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 2: media some really weird cryptic messages. So Kuiper said today

1672
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 2: the fight will continue, but for now rest is required.

1673
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 2: I won't be long. I want us to come together

1674
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 2: to meet to talk very soon. And then Mighty Clark said,

1675
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 2: I've made the decision for our or hair of Horaki

1676
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 2: Waikattle to hold the line. In a week's time, I

1677
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 2: will speak. The question that people are now asking is

1678
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 2: if these two are saying they're not saying anything for

1679
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 2: a week and they're going to talk next week and

1680
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 2: if they're not turning up to Parliament. Does this mean

1681
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 2: that Debbie and Rawi have lost their support? Are Debbie

1682
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 2: and Rawi basically on their own with what they're doing?

1683
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 2: Six twenty five.

1684
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 24: There's no business like show business.

1685
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 2: The Age of Toys might be over, but the Toy

1686
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 2: Story franchise isn't. Pixar have released the first teaser trailer

1687
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 2: for the fifth movie in the Toy Story series. Woody

1688
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 2: and Buzz have fought Sid, the scary teenager, a deranged

1689
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 2: toy collector, and an evil bear at a day care center,

1690
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 2: but now they face their biggest threat technology, don't we all.

1691
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 6: Finally, there's the package for you.

1692
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 10: Thank you.

1693
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 13: Hi there, I'm Lilli Patt.

1694
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 2: Let's play now. This will make you feel old. Twenty

1695
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 2: twenty five. This year is thirty years since the first

1696
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 2: Toy Story came to cinemas. Thirty years. Tim Allan and

1697
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 2: Tom Hanks are both coming back to voice their iconic roles,

1698
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: and the role of Lily Pad will be Oscar nominee

1699
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 2: Gretta Lee. Conan O'Brien will also appear as a toilet

1700
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: training bot named Smarty Pans. And It's coming to Cinema's

1701
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 2: June nineteenth next year. So you've already got something is

1702
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 2: that the school holidays. The school holidays were around there

1703
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 2: have already got a day planned. You're welcome because that

1704
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 2: will be the winter holidays as well. That's the one

1705
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 2: that's always rainy. You know how that is. That's really fun. Ah,

1706
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 2: we all love that one little of the year. Everybody's

1707
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,560
Speaker 2: depressed and then it's school holidays and it rains and

1708
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 2: you're trying to find things to do. You Native Trainey

1709
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 2: is going to be with us next on what's going

1710
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 2: on with the debt.

1711
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 16: Now.

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01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard me say it earlier,

1713
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 2: but the country's overdue tax debt has hit nine point

1714
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 2: three billion dollars. There's a lot of money. It's growing

1715
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 2: faster than the economy, growing faster than the government's tax take.

1716
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 2: What do we do about it? She will talk us

1717
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 2: through it shortly, news talks. There'd be.

1718
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour,

1719
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: we've had the duplic alan and mass motor vehicle insurance,

1720
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands, used talks, that'd bet here.

1721
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 2: The watercare hasn't paid anything we can rate payers have

1722
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 2: paid the one million dollars. Well, it is a good

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01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 2: thing to remember that. Ultimately this is money coming out

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01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 2: of our pockets because Watercare stuffed up, So thanks very

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01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 2: much Watercare. Gavin Gray is going to be us out

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01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 2: of the UK shortly twenty five away from seven. Now.

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01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: As I was telling you, the country's overdue tax debt

1728
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 2: has hit nine point three billion dollars for the year

1729
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 2: to June and growing very fast. So the IDA is

1730
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 2: chasing it and business liquidations are well up and Donative Trainee,

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Speaker 2: the heralds Wellington Business editor is with us. Hello, Jane Hiever,

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01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 2: How did it get so high? Is this a COVID

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01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 2: related problem?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, look definitely. During the COVID period, in Land Revenue

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01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 26: focused on supporting businesses to access government support to get

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01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 26: through that period. But now it is it is well

1737
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 26: and truly starting to crack down on businesses.

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01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:30,959
Speaker 2: For example, the number.

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01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 26: Of audits it did rose by forty two percent in

1740
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 26: the year to June. This helped the department collect an

1741
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 26: extra four billion dollars of tax debt. That's the highest

1742
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 26: amount since twenty eighteen. So the government has put more

1743
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 26: money into inland revenue. That's somewhere it is spending more money,

1744
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 26: and it wants to see a return on that investment.

1745
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 26: You know, it wants to see the department collect up

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01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:53,799
Speaker 26: unpaid taxes.

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01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how much of this is accelerating at the

1748
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:57,799
Speaker 2: rate that it is because of interest?

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01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 26: You know, that's a good question, and I don't have

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01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 26: the answer to that. I did, however, earlier today speak

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01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 26: to an accountant from Baker Tily Staples Roadway and he

1752
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,759
Speaker 26: ran me through some of the different ways that businesses

1753
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 26: are not complying with their tax obligations. So, for example,

1754
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 26: he said, a common thing that was happening was, you know,

1755
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 26: using trusts to divert income. You know, you pay income

1756
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 26: goes into the trust and then you pay it to

1757
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 26: beneficiaries you might be your family members and they have

1758
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 26: lower tax rates or you know. ID was looking at

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01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 26: businesses that actually make their money in New Zealand, but

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01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 26: then somehow, you know, divert their their revenue so they

1761
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 26: pay tax in other countries with lower tax rates. So

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01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 26: that's an issue for example, with the with the tech companies. Yeah,

1763
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 26: you know, tradees, that's another one. People dealing in property.

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01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 26: He said that that's catching out a lot of people

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01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 26: because the property tax rules have changed so much. For example,

1766
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 26: now businesses can't deduct depreciation as an expense on their buildings,

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01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 26: so so you know, there's there's all sorts of ways.

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01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 26: Property is still about one third of the audits that

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01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 26: the IID is doing is related to property and about

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01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 26: one third in relation to technical things, and then the

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01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 26: rest things like drug trade, you know, like the hidden

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01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 26: economy and fraud. So it's a pretty pretty broad picture there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, I mean I would imagine that as they continue

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01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 2: to chase it, we will continue to see business liquidations

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01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 2: going up.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, yes, yes, I mean the number of applications and

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01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 26: then revenue filed in the past year for liquidations went

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01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 26: out by forty nine percent from the previous year, so

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01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 26: that is a big jump. The accountant I spoke to suggested,

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01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 26: you know, IID is, you know, pretty reasonable and good

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01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 26: to work with you if you if you front foot

1783
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 26: the issue and try to fix it. But he said

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01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 26: in cases where that isn't the case, it's it's increasingly

1785
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 26: you know, happy to pull the plug and try to

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01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 26: get the business liquidated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bit of tough parenting. Hey, thank you very much

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01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 2: to know I appreciate it. Janative Trani The Herald's Wellington

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Speaker 2: Business Editor, twenty one away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duples, I want to talk to you about.

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Speaker 2: Doc, But before we get to Doc, can I just

1792
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 2: say that we didn't have a chance yesterday with the

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01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 2: GEVM MCS skimming thing just came at us. I did

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01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 2: want to mention that Simon Watts has said something that

1795
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 2: I think does need to be said. He said, we

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01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: need to stop expecting the government to bail us out

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01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 2: if we want to keep buying batches right next to

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01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 2: the beach, even though we know about the climate change

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01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: and what it's doing to buying batches right next to

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01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 2: the beach. Basically, the point is the government the country

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01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:36,759
Speaker 2: just doesn't have the money right We don't have the money.

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01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 2: We don't even have the money right now to build

1803
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 2: the hospitals we need and hire the people we need.

1804
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 2: So we absolutely do not have the money to bail

1805
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 2: out people who are making terrible decisions about where they're

1806
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 2: buying houses. And then he used a really great example

1807
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 2: which I think kind of underscores what is going on him.

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01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 2: So he's pointed to a seafront road in the wider

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01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 2: Upper where the government has been asked to help pay

1810
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 2: for the repairs and the upgrades, because the soil doesn't

1811
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: have the money. So this particular road, and I could

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01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 2: hazard a guess at which part of the wided Uper

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01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 2: he's talking about here, But this road leads to a

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01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 2: settlement of eighty nine houses, right, so there's not even

1815
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 2: one hundred hous's not even ninety houses. Eighty nine houses.

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01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 2: Half of them are batches, half of them are homes.

1817
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 2: So if you look at that, then let's say there's

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01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 2: about forty five different households who live there on the regular,

1819
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: and then it doubles over summer or when it, if

1820
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 2: wided up even has a summer in this part of

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01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 2: the wided Upper. Anyway, the cost to fix that particular

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01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 2: road leading to forty five households who live there permanently

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01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 2: is one hundred million dollars. Now, if we're generous and

1824
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 2: we say we include the batches, then we are talking

1825
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 2: about a million dollars for every single one of them,

1826
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 2: more than a million dollars for every single one of

1827
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 2: the houses that are there. That's ridiculous, right. The taxpayer

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01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 2: shouldn't be paying for that, especially if I mean especially

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01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:51,600
Speaker 2: if the council can't pay for it. So this is

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01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 2: the kind of thing that we're going to have to

1831
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 2: start looking at and going, we can't keep can't we

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01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 2: can't keep paying for repairs because of the climate change.

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01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 2: In bailing you, You're just going to have to move

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01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 2: guys because it's literally going to be cheaper for us.

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01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 2: Isn't it to move them, get rid of the ours

1836
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 2: or do whatever, do whatever to the land, turn it

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01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 2: into farming. I don't know, you'll probably end up paying

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01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,560
Speaker 2: lease if you just move them away. Now, Doc, So

1839
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: Doc has revealed today how much is going to cost

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01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 2: you to park at Aoraki Mount Cook National Park. If

1841
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 2: you go there. It's going to be people are going

1842
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 2: to flip out about this, and they really shouldn't. It's

1843
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 2: going to be five dollars an hour, and then it's

1844
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 2: going to be twenty five dollars a day maximum. So

1845
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 2: you park there from the minute you hit five hours

1846
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 2: from then on, it's basically cheap. If you are a

1847
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 2: frequent visitor, like if you're going to go a lot

1848
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 2: of times, you can buy an annual pass for sixty dollars.

1849
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 2: If you're a local who lives in the Mackenzie district,

1850
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 2: you can pass buy an annual pass, which is ten dollars,

1851
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 2: which is incredibly generous of DOC to be doing that. Anyway,

1852
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 2: they reckon this plus the punakaiki plus fran Joseph Frans Joseph,

1853
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 2: the parking that they're doing in these three places will

1854
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 2: raise just in the space of seven months that they're

1855
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 2: doing a trial one point five million dollars, which I

1856
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 2: think is fantastic. Now people are going to flip out

1857
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 2: about that, you know, because we're tight, We'll descended from

1858
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 2: the Scots, so we're going to flip out about a

1859
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 2: twenty five dollar parking thing. Can I just point it

1860
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 2: out that if you go and park in Central Auckland

1861
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 2: at the Sky City right your maximum there is forty

1862
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,799
Speaker 2: eight dollars, So from where I'm sitting, twenty five bucks's

1863
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 2: bargain eighteen away from seven.

1864
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: Ever, it's to do with money.

1865
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 3: It matters to you.

1866
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather dup c Allen and Mass

1867
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 1: Motor Vehicle Insurance, Your futures, Kim Good Hands News talk z'b.

1868
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 2: By the way on the parking thing. As if I

1869
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 2: just am making this case right on the parking thing.

1870
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 2: So you're paying twenty five dollars if you're going to

1871
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 2: go and park there at Mount Cook. But if you

1872
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 2: go to the FIFA World Cup in North America, this

1873
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 2: is news that's come out today next year, right, you

1874
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 2: need to get ready to pay for your pay through

1875
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 2: your nose for the parking because a general parking pass

1876
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 2: for the July fourteen semi final in Dallas has been

1877
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 2: listed today at one hundred and seventy five US dollars.

1878
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 2: That's three hundred dollars. So you're going to get yourself

1879
01:28:58,360 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 2: tickets to go to the game, and you're going to

1880
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 2: family tickets to the go to the game, and that's

1881
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 2: going to make you poor. And then you're going to

1882
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 2: pay three hundred dollars to park just to go to

1883
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 2: the game. Doc is looking cheap. Quarter to seven. Devin Gray,

1884
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 2: UK correspondence with US. Hello, Gevin, II have so. Donald

1885
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 2: Trump has said he has an obligation to sue the bebe.

1886
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 6: Yes, first time he's spoken since the whole row erupted

1887
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 6: about his thoughts and the BBC documentary in which a

1888
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 6: speech was edited together in such a way as to

1889
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,600
Speaker 6: make it look like he was trying to incite his

1890
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 6: supporters into violence that the Capitol hell rites back in

1891
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 6: January twenty twenty one, two bits of the speech, almost

1892
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 6: an hour apart, edited together. He's now spoken on Fox

1893
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 6: News and said that it had presented defrauded views of

1894
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 6: what he said. His speech had been butchered, he said,

1895
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:58,719
Speaker 6: and effectively said, he now has this obligation to sue

1896
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 6: and that deadline for the sewing of one billion pounds

1897
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 6: two point three billion New Zealand dollars. It comes with

1898
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 6: a deadline, and it's ten o'clock Friday evening hour time,

1899
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 6: so it'll be Saturday mid morning your time for the

1900
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 6: corporation to respond. And if the BBC doesn't respond, he

1901
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 6: says he will start that litigation. Lots of people though,

1902
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 6: looking at that threat of litigation and said, well, hang on.

1903
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,759
Speaker 6: One of the main plints in a court of lawries

1904
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 6: was it readily available to view in America? And the

1905
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 6: answer to that would appear to be no. But of

1906
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 6: course that'll all be decided potentially in a court of law.

1907
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 6: And also, you know, has it actually added any additional

1908
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 6: damage to his reputation about that speech? And again the

1909
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 6: BBC could be arguing no. That said, my sources are

1910
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:51,839
Speaker 6: saying they are inclined to offer some kind of amount

1911
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 6: of money for damage to his reputation. But time will

1912
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 6: tell and the clock is taking Wow.

1913
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 2: Okay, So I thought the response that he was looking

1914
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,440
Speaker 2: for was just maybe an apology, like a public humiliation,

1915
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 2: but he's he that will not suffice.

1916
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 6: He's asked for a retraction, an apology, and some money

1917
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 6: to compensate him for the damage to his reputation. He

1918
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 6: hasn't said how much that is, but the idea of

1919
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 6: then that threat for a billion pounds is obviously giving

1920
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 6: an indication of how much it thinks it's really damaged

1921
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 6: that report.

1922
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 2: It sounds like he's going to lodge the lawsuit. If

1923
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 2: he does in Florida, where the BBC is available, does

1924
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 2: he have to prove not only that the BBC is available,

1925
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 2: but that the show itself was like widely viewed.

1926
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 6: I think there is basically an idea that if it's

1927
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 6: readily available and as you said, the BBC are there.

1928
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 6: But it's interesting that he's lodged it with a very

1929
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 6: small local firm of solicitors in Florida, as you said,

1930
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 6: where the BBC is available. But it's this idea that

1931
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 6: it was something that was massively seen in order to

1932
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 6: have affected his reputation, and obviously I suppose was one

1933
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 6: of the arguments. Will be well, any viewing would be

1934
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 6: a damage, but the idea that it was widely seen

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Speaker 6: in America I think would be debated by the BBC.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. Now what's the latest with Andrew? All

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Speaker 2: the businesses have been wound up?

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Speaker 6: Yes they are, and this I think is really another

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Speaker 6: nail in the coffin of his career, as it were,

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Speaker 6: and Andrew mount Baton Windsor. Incidentally, it's now hyphenated the

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Speaker 6: mount Baton Windsor thing. Andrew mount Batten Windsor is closing

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Speaker 6: down the pitch at Palace Global Limited. Now those who

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Speaker 6: have followed these things would know that he had sort of.

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Speaker 6: It was a startup competition where entrepreneurs could present their

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Speaker 6: ideas straight to potential investors, and this was one seen

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Speaker 6: as a possible stream of income for the former prince

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Speaker 6: when the King stopped find supporting him financially. However, when

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Speaker 6: he gave that disastrous interview to the BBC about his

1949
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Speaker 6: friendship with the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, it was

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Speaker 6: put on ice. And now we know that he's actually

1951
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Speaker 6: physically closing it the UK side of the business was

1952
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Speaker 6: wound up in twenty twenty one. The international part, though,

1953
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Speaker 6: has remained open, and a Dutch company, startup boot Camp,

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Speaker 6: had said it was actually interested in buying the business,

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Speaker 6: saying it was of immense value, but that however, unraveled

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Speaker 6: earlier this year. There is only about twenty one thousand

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Speaker 6: New Zealand dollars left at the end of March from

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Speaker 6: the account, significantly down on the previous year about half

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Speaker 6: a million New Zealand dollars, and so the winding up

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Speaker 6: looks like a more formal step than anything else, but

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Speaker 6: it is another huge dent to Prince Andrew or Andrew's reputation,

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Speaker 6: because this was something he really really cared about.

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Speaker 2: Now, is Kistama really in trouble? Do you think?

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Speaker 15: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I think he is.

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Speaker 6: The very fact now that this is making national news.

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Speaker 6: So in a couple of weeks time, we get the budget,

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Speaker 6: which is an outline of the fiscal and financial path

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Speaker 6: that this government is intending to take. And even though

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Speaker 6: it's a fortnight away, and even though we don't actually

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Speaker 6: know what's in it, there's been massive speculation the government

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Speaker 6: is going to have to basically renee on a promise

1973
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Speaker 6: it made at the election, and that promise was it

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Speaker 6: would not put up taxes for what it described as

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Speaker 6: working people. So it got around it first time around

1976
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Speaker 6: by putting extra taxes on employers. Those employers say, right, well,

1977
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Speaker 6: we're not now going to take on any new staff

1978
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Speaker 6: and it's costing us a lot to keep these stuff,

1979
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Speaker 6: and so they're laying people off and the unemployment figures

1980
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Speaker 6: going up. This government now looks like it's in a

1981
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Speaker 6: bigger financial hole and therefore will have to put up taxes.

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Speaker 6: And there are now there's talk, admittedly not on camera,

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Speaker 6: not to in quote marks, but talk from lots of

1984
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Speaker 6: different politicians about the fact his days are numbered. His

1985
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Speaker 6: supporters are saying he will fight this to the end.

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Speaker 2: Janey's interesting. Can't wait to see this player. Hey, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much. Gevin Devin Gray are UK correspondent. Hey,

1988
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Speaker 2: how good has this? I don't know if you saw

1989
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Speaker 2: this this morning or heard it on my show, but

1990
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Speaker 2: how good is the news that hotels in Auckland are

1991
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Speaker 2: going to be basically at capacity next week because Metallic

1992
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Speaker 2: is happening on Wednesday at Eden Park. And then you've

1993
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Speaker 2: got the World Indigenous People's Conference on education. It sounds

1994
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 2: like a rip of that. One can't wait to go

1995
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Speaker 2: to that one. But how good is that? And look,

1996
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Speaker 2: I hate to bang on No, I don't about one

1997
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Speaker 2: of my new favorite subjects, but the bed tax in Auckland.

1998
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Speaker 2: Because who stands to benefit from these events the hotels.

1999
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 2: So if you put a bed tax on right, the

2000
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 2: hotels who benefit, you can then get more of these events,

2001
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 2: therefore bringing in more people for the hotels, therefore funding more.

2002
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 2: You see what we're doing here, Come on national, get

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Speaker 2: behind it. You need a bed tax in Auckland so

2004
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Speaker 2: we can have more cool events, so we can all

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Speaker 2: get a little bit richer. Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the heather too for see allan Drive full show

2007
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Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by news dog ZBI.

2008
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Speaker 2: Here that it sounds like Donald Trump is a grifter

2009
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 2: of grifting, the BBC should tell them to go jump. Well,

2010
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Speaker 2: I don't know, do you know what? That's not where

2011
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 2: I would be placing my GF. I was the BBC?

2012
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Speaker 2: Why was the BBC? I would stop thinking about telling

2013
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 2: the Orange Guard to jarm. I would stop thinking about

2014
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,720
Speaker 2: how I could possibly minimize what it is that I've done.

2015
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 2: I would stop thinking about how I can blame all

2016
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 2: my enemies for their weaponization, and maybe I would think

2017
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 2: about having a good old look at the BEB and maybe,

2018
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Speaker 2: I don't know, fixing some of that bias that everybody

2019
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Speaker 2: else can see, and maybe not putting words in people's mouth.

2020
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Speaker 2: That's where I'd be putting my energy. But you know, look,

2021
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Speaker 2: it's a long time since I've worked at television news,

2022
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 2: so what do I know? Five away from seven now?

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Speaker 2: I like the Taxpayers Union because I hate paying tax

2024
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 2: everybody does, right, So I love it when they call

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Speaker 2: out people for wasting money, which happens far too often.

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Speaker 2: But I think they've got it wrong this time because

2027
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 2: they're calling they're calling out Auckland Council for spending money

2028
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Speaker 2: on the Christmas decorations. I don't if you've seen about

2029
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Speaker 2: Auckland Council, because Auckland Council's got the one million dollar

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01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 2: Christmas tree, right, which that flipped them out last year

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01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 2: at the Taxpayers Union, and then this year they've spent

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Speaker 2: another sixty h three hundred thousand dollars so on five

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Speaker 2: light pillars. So that kind of like it seems to

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01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 2: me like double the size of a human and quite

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Speaker 2: big things that they plunk up and down Queen Street

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Speaker 2: between Altia Center and Britomart, and it's got like a

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01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 2: Christmas theme and it lights up and it kind of

2038
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 2: looks nice and they're modern and funky anyway, So they've

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Speaker 2: spent three hundy thoul on that, and the Taxpayers Union

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01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 2: of flipping out about it, and I think in this

2041
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 2: case they've got it wrong because I think I think

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Speaker 2: we all know Central Auckland, like many of our center cities,

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01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 2: kind of sucks at the moment. Anything that makes it

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Speaker 2: look nicer is a good thing. Anything that draws in

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Speaker 2: the crowd so it chases out the rough sleeper is

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Speaker 2: just by displacement, I think is a good thing and

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Speaker 2: a little bit of love for the city center. And

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Speaker 2: you know they're going to use it for a few years.

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Speaker 2: It's not just a one year thing, So I'm okay

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Speaker 2: with that. I think it's money well spent as.

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Speaker 22: What was that by Lord to play us out tonight?

2052
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Speaker 22: So obviously Lord is coming to New Zealand and February.

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Speaker 22: She's playing at Spark Arena and The Wolf of Garna

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Speaker 22: in christ Church. The show's sold out, but if you

2055
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 22: missed out on tickets. There's a limited number of new

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01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:58,680
Speaker 22: tickets to both of those that are going to go

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Speaker 22: on sale tomorrow. I don't know where these magic tickets

2058
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 22: of Magically come out on that, but they have announced

2059
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:06,640
Speaker 22: that the support act will be the front guy of

2060
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:10,639
Speaker 22: the hip hop group Brockhampton Kevin Abstract. So maybe they've

2061
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Speaker 22: just kept you know, they want the reminder everybody that

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Speaker 22: the show's happening, and they held the tickets back. But anyway,

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Speaker 22: if you're interested, those should go on sale for morow.

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Speaker 2: What about my surprise today? So Jen, who's the lawyer,

2065
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 2: came down and said, blah blah blah blah blah. Oh,

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01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 2: we're going to Lord and I'd forgotten that we're.

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Speaker 22: Going to Lord concent Club.

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01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 3: Outing is it?

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01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 7: There?

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01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 2: We go?

2071
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 22: If you want to go to the Bark Arena show,

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01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:30,480
Speaker 22: there's another advantage.

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01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 2: Oh it's seeing me.

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01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get to see the concert club whatever you.

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01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 2: Will, no one will even They'll see Jen and they'll

2076
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 2: be like, look at that hot, hot, clever woman. Anyway,

2077
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 2: thanks to Jen for reminding me. Yeah, so there's that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: cool to see tomorrow.

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Speaker 10: Mm hmm.

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