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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b'start your weekend off the right way.

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Speaker 2: Saturday Morning with jackdam News Talks at b.

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Speaker 3: JO.

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Speaker 4: No, good morning, welcome to newstalk v Jack Tame with

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Speaker 4: you through the midday today. My goodness that we have

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Speaker 4: a good show for you, A real treat, A real

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Speaker 4: treat after ten o'clock this morning. Okay, So if I

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Speaker 4: tell you that our feature interview this morning is a

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Speaker 4: famous British actor, that he's a sir, and that perhaps

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Speaker 4: his best known line is I have a cunning plan.

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Speaker 4: Surely you know who I'm talking about. Surely you know

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Speaker 4: who I'm talking about. I have a cunning plan. So

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Speaker 4: Tony Robinson Baldrick himself is going to be with us.

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Speaker 4: It's our feature interview after ten this morning. I cannot

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Speaker 4: wait for that. We were a house in which we

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Speaker 4: sort of grew up with the sounds of black headder

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Speaker 4: pumped out of every TV. So really really looking forward

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Speaker 4: to catching up with the Tony Robinson after ten o'clock

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Speaker 4: before teen this morning. Now, film reviewer is in with

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Speaker 4: her thoughts on Wicked two. This is Wicked for Good,

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Speaker 4: which has just been released, the one with Ariana Grande

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Speaker 4: our cooks in with her recipe of the week. It's

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Speaker 4: a po boy which is a little bit Cajun for

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Speaker 4: us this morning, which should be very tasty. Indeed, Our

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Speaker 4: Sporto's thoughts on the All Blacks Chances for their final

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Speaker 4: test of the year as well. Right now though it

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Speaker 4: is seven minutes past nine.

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Speaker 2: Jack Team.

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Speaker 4: You know, we weren't really big on dining out when

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Speaker 4: I was growing up, right in our house. I mean,

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Speaker 4: truth is, we couldn't really afford to be We just couldn't,

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Speaker 4: you know. We couldn't really afford to go out and

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Speaker 4: eat restaurants all the time. With four kids, a mortgage,

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Speaker 4: and decent cooking skills themselves. My parents didn't really buy food.

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Speaker 4: They bought groceries, and they know they brought the odd

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Speaker 4: round of fish and chips on the beach. But apart

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Speaker 4: from that, almost everything we ate was prepared in the

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Speaker 4: kitchen at home. I think that was the same and

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Speaker 4: is the same for lots of families. They're being said.

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Speaker 4: Every now and then we would have a special occasion.

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Speaker 4: Every now and then we would make our way into

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Speaker 4: the city into christ Church's historic Arts center where each

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Speaker 4: of us would line up for a lunchtime treat. Back then,

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Speaker 4: Dmitries served souvlakis from a little caravan tucked into a

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Speaker 4: little corner next to the old Gothic Revival buildings, and

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Speaker 4: whenever you would pass by, there'd be a little group

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Speaker 4: be prepared. On a really busy day, the owner, Demetrius Meriantetis,

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Speaker 4: would have someone else working with him as he made

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Speaker 4: his way through the orders. You could choose between single

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Speaker 4: double triple meat lamb chicken or for lafel, and the

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Speaker 4: Thames always had the same thing to a person, lamb

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Speaker 4: souvlakis with a token little bit of salad and a

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Speaker 4: hearty drenching of beautiful garlicy tatiki sauce. As you stood

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Speaker 4: there waiting, you would try and size up the people

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Speaker 4: around you to work out how many orders would have

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Speaker 4: to be completed and checked off before yours would be up.

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Speaker 4: I remember, you know they're feeling like just that feeling

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Speaker 4: of frustration when someone appears from a shop or a

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Speaker 4: stall nearby, having ordered and then ducked away for a

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Speaker 4: few minutes while their order was prepared. Damn it, I

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Speaker 4: would think, damn it, that's one more to the list.

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Speaker 4: Surely mine's coming up. I don't know about you call

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Speaker 4: me a heathen, but as far as I'm concerned, there

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Speaker 4: are few gastronomical compnations quite so glorious as hot meat

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Speaker 4: and hot bread. It's about as simple as it gets,

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Speaker 4: pulled straight from a sizzling grill, wrapped in newsprint, and

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Speaker 4: Lakis was always so pillowy and soft. You would navigate

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Speaker 4: the first few bites with relative dignity, but by the

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Speaker 4: there was no room for quaint niceties like cutlery. Everything

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Speaker 4: would be soaking with meat, juice and sauce. Ah, Heaven

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Speaker 4: is a place on earth. It's funny how people always

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Speaker 4: fine and celebrate good food. Looking back, I think I

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Speaker 4: ask to go to Dmitries and it turns out we

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Speaker 4: family secret that was apparently shared by half the people

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Speaker 4: in Canterbury. After years and years and years of serving up, however,

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Speaker 4: many hundreds of thousands or millions of souvlaki's, Dmitries has

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Speaker 4: built his operation into a gastronomic institution, from the little

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Speaker 4: dining destination that I reckon now ranks among New Zealand's

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Speaker 4: best loved spots. Think about it. Queenstown has Fergburger, Wellington

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Speaker 4: has for Dell's. Christ Church has Dmitries. This week Dmitries

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Speaker 4: celebrates forty years of operations in the Garden City. This

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Speaker 4: is their forty birthday weekend. Forty years four decades. So

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Speaker 4: much of christ Church has changed in that time. The

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Speaker 4: CBD looks completely different. Entire neighborhoods have gone entire new

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Speaker 4: ones have popped up, but some things have never changed.

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Speaker 4: Lamb bread, lashings of tatsiki. Dmitri's success is sizzling mouth

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Speaker 4: watering proof you cannot improve on perfection. Team ninety two.

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Speaker 4: Ninety two is our text number if you want to

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Speaker 4: send us a message this morning. Don't forget the standard

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Speaker 4: text costs supply jacketewstalks hedb dot co dot nz is

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Speaker 4: my email address if you want to send me an

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Speaker 4: email as well. How good is test cricket? I love

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Speaker 4: test cricket so much. I love it so much. My

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Speaker 4: order of love goes like this. My son's my wife

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Speaker 4: test cricket and it's a close it's a close run thing.

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Speaker 4: I don't want you to be any under any confusion.

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Speaker 4: Sons and wife are up the top, don't worry about that,

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Speaker 4: but Test crocket right behind. My gosh, that was a

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Speaker 4: staggering first day of the Ashes. I made that. I

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Speaker 4: made that terrible mistake though, of seeing the English burning

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Speaker 4: bright and dying fast than their first innings, and texting

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Speaker 4: my dad to say, oh, well, it looks like bas

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Speaker 4: ball's not going to work this time around, and he

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Speaker 4: Aussies EyeT to bat, And of course Dad proved to

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Speaker 4: be right in that round, so very much. Looking forward

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Speaker 4: to the start of day two and the ashes will

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Speaker 4: get our sportos thoughts on that very shortly. Kevin Mellon

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Speaker 4: is going to kick us off for our Saturday Morning

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Speaker 4: next though. Right now it's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm

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Speaker 4: Jack tame, It's Saturday morning and this is News Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: No better way to kick off your weekend then with Jack.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 4: Sixteen past nine on News Talks EDB OMG, Jack, You've

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Speaker 4: just described some of my best childhood memories growing up

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Speaker 4: in christ to meet still a non negotiable stop on

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Speaker 4: any visit back home. Just as delicious now as it

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Speaker 4: was back in the nineties, Jeff says Jack. I'm starving

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Speaker 4: now after training and listening to you. It's not making

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Speaker 4: things any better. Jack, the best souvlaki anywhere. Love Dmitries,

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Speaker 4: I was there last night, says Matt. Good job, how late, Matt?

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Speaker 4: How late? Is Dmitries open to these days? Love your

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Speaker 4: childhood intro Jack with your lovely family brings back wonderful

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Speaker 4: memories of our own, says Jenny. Thanks Jenny ninety ninety two.

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Speaker 4: If you want to send us a messages this morning,

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Speaker 4: Jacket News to It said b dot co dot n Z.

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Speaker 4: Kevin Milne is with us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Kevin.

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Speaker 4: Have you had Dmitries before?

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Speaker 6: No, I've never heard of it.

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Speaker 7: I left christ Church in nineteen seventy, so maybe that

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Speaker 7: was before Dimitris got underway.

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Speaker 4: That was pre Dmitries. Yes, that was pre dimitri. It

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Speaker 4: was forty years this weekend, this is the fortieth first

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Speaker 4: day Dimitris.

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Speaker 7: So yep, I'm very pleased that I'm not booked in

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Speaker 7: there for lunch or hoping to wander in there for

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Speaker 7: lunch after your peace ycause of course there'll be a

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Speaker 7: Q right out the door and down the road.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, they don't need my peace to advertise them. I'm

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Speaker 4: not being paid a center and they don't need it.

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Speaker 4: There's always a queue now, anyway, I think there's always.

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Speaker 4: But it's one of those places that has just for

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Speaker 4: it has developed a reputation over many decades for excellence

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Speaker 4: and for doing, you know, effectively one thing incredibly well,

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Speaker 4: and to not messing with that in any way, shape

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Speaker 4: or form, and it's it deserves every bit of love

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Speaker 4: that it gets as far as I'm concerned. The reason

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Speaker 4: it's developed that reputation is because it's so good, you know, yes,

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Speaker 4: but it's funny I can.

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Speaker 7: Go there when next time them down there, I'll refer

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Speaker 7: to my daughter who's now moved down to christ So yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure she'll definitely know about it. Can you think

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Speaker 4: of any other you know, ferg Burger in Queenstown, right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: and so and you know for Dalls and Wellington. Can

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Speaker 4: you think of other I'm trying to think of other

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Speaker 4: cities in New Zealand, you know, other other food places

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Speaker 4: where you go, Oh well, if you're in if you're

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Speaker 4: If you're in christ Us, you've got to go to Dmitries.

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Speaker 4: I reckon there be a few, So.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I if I might just go back beyond

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Speaker 7: Dmitri's time. There used to be a place on christ

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Speaker 7: It's called Faile's First Cafe, and it had extraordinary tables

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Speaker 7: where the chairs were sort of made of raw time

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Speaker 7: and swung swung actually on the tables. These all the

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Speaker 7: things you pull out right extraordinary. There's still around actually

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Speaker 7: because you'd never they'll last forever. And collectors in christ

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Speaker 7: sits now have a failes table and there in their kitchen,

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Speaker 7: and everybody gets very envious. And but yeah, but but

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Speaker 7: fails was well, it never failed?

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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 8: Was it?

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Speaker 4: And was it that they primarily serve fish?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Almost totally fish. I don't think they have anything else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the White Lady White Lady is a good example

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Speaker 4: in Auckland, the White Lady Caravan. You know the the

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Speaker 4: burgers in Auckland. Yeah, yep. Anyway, Kevin, speaking of delicious

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Speaker 4: food this morning, you're thinking about bathroom scales.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I've gone from a dot last week to talking

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Speaker 7: about I've expanded to bathroom scales. We had these bathroom

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Speaker 7: scales most of our married life, Jack, They served us

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Speaker 7: well for over forty years. I monitor awake constantly. I

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Speaker 7: like to give the scales a solid workout. There's no

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Speaker 7: point in having a display on them that goes up

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Speaker 7: to one hundred and fifty kgs if you're only going

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Speaker 7: to take it to fifty. It's like buying an Aston

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Speaker 7: Martin and driving.

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Speaker 6: It like a Corolla.

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Speaker 7: My scales go from nought to one hundred zero point

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Speaker 7: five of the second. Anyway, until last week, we still

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Speaker 7: used our old scales, but we decided they had to go.

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Speaker 7: They just looked shabby. Let the rest of the bathroom down.

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Speaker 7: I got the job of buying the new ones. It's

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Speaker 7: hard to pick a set of scales, actually different prices,

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Speaker 7: yet they all look the same. You might as well

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Speaker 7: chuck a bit of money at them. I field, because

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Speaker 7: scales are nothing if they're not accurate. So I've bought

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Speaker 7: a flash set of glass salt of scales designed in

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Speaker 4: Edb okay, this is the problem. We're having an uneducated

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Speaker 4: The question is not doing you know Dimitries. The question

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Speaker 4: Was that or was that? Was that?

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Speaker 4: You're not confusing them with costers.

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Speaker 9: It's very very tricky to bat on. Was it nineteen

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Speaker 4: the same. That feels like a reasonable theory. So I

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Speaker 4: A bit of Cajun delight for you before ten o'clock

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Speaker 4: Got to fix your hair, everything that really counts.

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Speaker 13: To be popular.

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Speaker 7: I'll help you be.

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Speaker 14: You'll hang with the corse, You'll be good houseports.

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Speaker 15: You've got in lovely line.

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Speaker 4: You stib twenty three to ten. That's popular from Wicked.

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Speaker 4: The reason we are flying Wicked this morning is, of course,

433
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Speaker 4: that Wicked two is out. It's called Wicked for Good.

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Speaker 4: Francesca Rudkin is our film reviewer, and she is here

435
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Speaker 4: with us this morning. Good morning, good morning. Right, let's

436
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Speaker 4: have a look. Listen to the sequel.

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Speaker 14: Couldn't be happy here, haven't you heard?

438
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Speaker 4: I'm a wicked witch of the worst, think of a

439
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Speaker 4: wicked doo together that is Wicked too for good. It's

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Speaker 4: showing in cinemas now, tell us about it.

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Speaker 12: Okay, So as you know, Jack, and I'm sure your

442
00:24:08,533 --> 00:24:11,013
Speaker 12: listeners will gathered over the years. I'm not a huge

443
00:24:11,053 --> 00:24:15,213
Speaker 12: fan of the musical as a film genre. I find

444
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Speaker 12: I find the songs kind of interrupt us moving through

445
00:24:17,253 --> 00:24:20,133
Speaker 12: the story quickly. Ahead, Well, here we go another song.

446
00:24:21,413 --> 00:24:24,693
Speaker 12: I love a stage show. But I'm I'm I'm it's yeah,

447
00:24:25,293 --> 00:24:27,173
Speaker 12: I'm not a huge fan, and I think that's important

448
00:24:27,213 --> 00:24:32,573
Speaker 12: to stay up front. However, you cannot deny that these

449
00:24:32,693 --> 00:24:38,133
Speaker 12: are beautifully crafted films. They are basically begging to be

450
00:24:38,213 --> 00:24:41,013
Speaker 12: nominated for Oscars. When it comes to production design and

451
00:24:41,053 --> 00:24:44,773
Speaker 12: costumes and hair and makeup and the visual effects and things.

452
00:24:44,813 --> 00:24:47,613
Speaker 12: You know, it is these films. The first film was

453
00:24:47,613 --> 00:24:50,293
Speaker 12: a visual treat, and the second film is I think

454
00:24:50,333 --> 00:24:53,693
Speaker 12: that they've almost kind of put the confetti and sequence

455
00:24:53,773 --> 00:24:57,653
Speaker 12: and bubbles and ruffles on steroids. It's even more thrown

456
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Speaker 12: at you. So you know what, I I could sit

457
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Speaker 12: and enjoy this as a visual treat very much. You know,

458
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Speaker 12: it's it's beautifully crafted. I still don't quite understand why

459
00:25:08,733 --> 00:25:10,453
Speaker 12: you take kind of a three hour musical and you

460
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Speaker 12: have to turn it into a five hour film and

461
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Speaker 12: you know, split it in two. The only thing I

462
00:25:15,693 --> 00:25:18,773
Speaker 12: would say is the second film is slightly shorter. We're

463
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Speaker 12: only at two hours twenty one I think, compared to

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Speaker 12: two hours forty one.

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Speaker 8: Still probably a bit long.

466
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Speaker 12: I could have taken out one song, Jack, but.

467
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Speaker 8: A little bit short.

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Speaker 12: But the great thing was for me, someone who hasn't

469
00:25:31,173 --> 00:25:34,893
Speaker 12: seen the musical, we kind of powered through the plot fast,

470
00:25:34,893 --> 00:25:36,973
Speaker 12: so there were lots more twists and turns and lots

471
00:25:37,013 --> 00:25:39,773
Speaker 12: more things happening, So I was a bit more engaged.

472
00:25:39,853 --> 00:25:41,733
Speaker 12: I sort of felt with the first film. I know

473
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Speaker 12: that everybody absolutely loved it, but I felt that I

474
00:25:44,533 --> 00:25:46,333
Speaker 12: got it. You know, you can move on. You don't

475
00:25:46,373 --> 00:25:48,173
Speaker 12: need to sing another song to tell me who these

476
00:25:48,173 --> 00:25:50,173
Speaker 12: people are and what their relationships are. So all that

477
00:25:50,213 --> 00:25:52,773
Speaker 12: world building's been done and now we're just charging through

478
00:25:52,813 --> 00:25:55,773
Speaker 12: the story a bit more. So I thought that was fantastic.

479
00:25:56,773 --> 00:26:00,573
Speaker 12: Cynthia Revo is just extraordinary. She really is absolutely fantastic

480
00:26:02,093 --> 00:26:06,853
Speaker 12: as our wicked witch, and you know, cast beautiful against

481
00:26:06,973 --> 00:26:11,853
Speaker 12: Ariana Grande, who apparently, I have been told, doesn't appear

482
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Speaker 12: a huge amount in the second half of the musical,

483
00:26:14,213 --> 00:26:16,093
Speaker 12: so they've kind of insuited her a little bit.

484
00:26:16,013 --> 00:26:16,653
Speaker 11: More in the film.

485
00:26:16,813 --> 00:26:19,653
Speaker 12: Yeah, so that she appears a bit more and they've

486
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Speaker 12: got a bit more of a relationship in things. But look,

487
00:26:23,093 --> 00:26:25,053
Speaker 12: the songs aren't as good and part two is in

488
00:26:25,133 --> 00:26:27,573
Speaker 12: part one, so there's there's kind of you know, there's

489
00:26:27,653 --> 00:26:29,533
Speaker 12: aspects of it which are better, in aspects of it

490
00:26:29,613 --> 00:26:31,813
Speaker 12: which might let people down a little bit more. To

491
00:26:31,853 --> 00:26:34,213
Speaker 12: be honest with you, I probably enjoyed the second one more,

492
00:26:35,333 --> 00:26:38,653
Speaker 12: which I think, you know, everyone will have their opinion

493
00:26:38,693 --> 00:26:41,693
Speaker 12: on that, but look, it's it's exactly what you expect.

494
00:26:41,733 --> 00:26:44,933
Speaker 12: If you saw Wicked the first film, you can absolutely

495
00:26:44,973 --> 00:26:48,973
Speaker 12: love this. It was, yeah, a wonderful sort of visual feast.

496
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Speaker 12: I didn't think about a huge amount the next day,

497
00:26:50,973 --> 00:26:52,373
Speaker 12: but I don't think you're supposed to, you know.

498
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Speaker 4: Okay, very good. So that's Wicked for Good aka Wicked two.

499
00:26:57,813 --> 00:26:59,973
Speaker 4: So that's showing in cinemas at the moment. Your next

500
00:26:59,973 --> 00:27:03,733
Speaker 4: film is playing on Prime Video. This is Playdate.

501
00:27:06,733 --> 00:27:09,693
Speaker 5: Here's Jeff outstanding.

502
00:27:12,173 --> 00:27:13,893
Speaker 13: He's cool playing me over his house.

503
00:27:14,013 --> 00:27:14,973
Speaker 12: Can we go over please?

504
00:27:15,093 --> 00:27:16,093
Speaker 2: All?

505
00:27:15,893 --> 00:27:16,053
Speaker 16: Hell?

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00:27:16,253 --> 00:27:30,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, that's Playday. Tell us about it.

507
00:27:30,053 --> 00:27:31,533
Speaker 12: So at this time of the year, Jack, I think

508
00:27:31,533 --> 00:27:33,493
Speaker 12: we're all looking for a little bit of light escapism,

509
00:27:33,693 --> 00:27:36,053
Speaker 12: you know, when it comes to sort of finding something

510
00:27:36,093 --> 00:27:39,533
Speaker 12: to screen. And this stars Alan Richson, who plays the

511
00:27:39,613 --> 00:27:42,333
Speaker 12: Jack Reacher in the new Prime series, and I quite

512
00:27:42,373 --> 00:27:43,893
Speaker 12: like him, and I thought, I'll see what else he

513
00:27:43,933 --> 00:27:45,933
Speaker 12: can do. Let's see what else he can do. He's

514
00:27:45,933 --> 00:27:47,893
Speaker 12: teamed up here with Kevin James. This is kind of

515
00:27:47,893 --> 00:27:50,653
Speaker 12: a buddy Dad's action comedy and the two couldn't be

516
00:27:50,693 --> 00:27:53,093
Speaker 12: more physically different. In the course, that is the joke

517
00:27:53,173 --> 00:27:56,053
Speaker 12: you've got. Kevin plays Brian. He's a new step dad.

518
00:27:56,053 --> 00:27:59,133
Speaker 12: He's trying to connect with his step son. He just

519
00:27:59,173 --> 00:28:01,253
Speaker 12: happens to lose his job, so he becomes a stay

520
00:28:01,253 --> 00:28:03,893
Speaker 12: at home dad. At the park, he meets Jeff played

521
00:28:03,933 --> 00:28:09,213
Speaker 12: by Richson, and his kids CJ, who quite obviously from

522
00:28:09,213 --> 00:28:11,493
Speaker 12: the minute you meet him as not a normal kid,

523
00:28:12,333 --> 00:28:14,133
Speaker 12: and most of us would go red flag here and

524
00:28:14,173 --> 00:28:15,773
Speaker 12: run a mile. But the two end up together and

525
00:28:15,813 --> 00:28:19,493
Speaker 12: then next thing you know, they're being pursued by assassins

526
00:28:19,493 --> 00:28:20,853
Speaker 12: who are after Jeff and CJ.

527
00:28:20,933 --> 00:28:22,093
Speaker 8: And they go off on this adventure.

528
00:28:22,253 --> 00:28:26,813
Speaker 12: You can see every plot twist coming in this film.

529
00:28:26,933 --> 00:28:28,493
Speaker 8: Jack a lot of.

530
00:28:28,453 --> 00:28:30,973
Speaker 12: Old school references to films like Sama and Louise and

531
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Speaker 12: Reservoir Dogs Address at Pack, which I think is aimed

532
00:28:34,293 --> 00:28:36,253
Speaker 12: at the adults, But then the action is very much

533
00:28:36,293 --> 00:28:36,773
Speaker 12: aimed in an.

534
00:28:36,693 --> 00:28:37,493
Speaker 3: Eight year old boy.

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Speaker 12: So I was very confused with this film. I was

536
00:28:39,733 --> 00:28:41,693
Speaker 12: watching it, going, this is not really funny, it's not

537
00:28:41,733 --> 00:28:43,613
Speaker 12: really clicking. What's wrong. I was like, Oh, it's not

538
00:28:43,693 --> 00:28:46,373
Speaker 12: aimed at me, it's aimed at young boys. But then

539
00:28:46,413 --> 00:28:48,613
Speaker 12: I was going, but they're not going to get these references.

540
00:28:48,733 --> 00:28:51,013
Speaker 12: I think this is an example of where streaming gets

541
00:28:51,013 --> 00:28:52,933
Speaker 12: it wrong. You don't just throw money at a wall

542
00:28:52,973 --> 00:28:55,053
Speaker 12: and see what sticks. You actually have to write a

543
00:28:55,053 --> 00:28:58,613
Speaker 12: decent script, come up with a decent plot. You know,

544
00:28:59,453 --> 00:29:02,373
Speaker 12: the acting is absolutely fine, but they've been given really

545
00:29:02,413 --> 00:29:05,213
Speaker 12: weak material here and it's kind of a waste of

546
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Speaker 12: time and money.

547
00:29:05,933 --> 00:29:10,853
Speaker 4: Yeah wow, you know Okay, yeah, I keep going, No,

548
00:29:10,893 --> 00:29:12,813
Speaker 4: I'm done. Oh okay, well yeah, sounds like it to

549
00:29:12,813 --> 00:29:13,493
Speaker 4: be asked.

550
00:29:14,453 --> 00:29:15,893
Speaker 8: Slid slid down.

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00:29:16,053 --> 00:29:22,373
Speaker 4: So five stars, ten out of ten for playdate. No cool, Okay,

552
00:29:22,493 --> 00:29:24,773
Speaker 4: very good. So maybe that is one to avoid unless

553
00:29:24,773 --> 00:29:28,693
Speaker 4: you're really desperate this week this weekend, So that's playdate.

554
00:29:29,173 --> 00:29:32,333
Speaker 4: Francisca's first film is Wicked for Good. That showing in

555
00:29:32,373 --> 00:29:35,253
Speaker 4: Cinema's playdates on Prime Video will have the details for

556
00:29:35,293 --> 00:29:37,413
Speaker 4: both of those films, should you wish to seek them

557
00:29:37,453 --> 00:29:39,893
Speaker 4: out on the news talks. He'd be website after ten

558
00:29:39,893 --> 00:29:42,453
Speaker 4: o'clock this morning. If you are looking for something that

559
00:29:42,573 --> 00:29:44,173
Speaker 4: is really good, we're going to tell you about this

560
00:29:44,213 --> 00:29:48,893
Speaker 4: some really interesting news show on Netflix following ed Shearon

561
00:29:49,013 --> 00:29:51,053
Speaker 4: as he makes his way through New York. Now, if

562
00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:55,413
Speaker 4: you've seen that incredible show. I reckon It was honestly

563
00:29:55,653 --> 00:29:59,453
Speaker 4: the absolutely show of the year Adolescens. You'll know the

564
00:29:59,453 --> 00:30:02,133
Speaker 4: way in which they shot each of those episodes in

565
00:30:02,173 --> 00:30:04,413
Speaker 4: one shot, so they just did it all in one take.

566
00:30:04,973 --> 00:30:07,773
Speaker 4: The director of Adolescent has done the same thing with

567
00:30:07,973 --> 00:30:11,293
Speaker 4: Ed Shearon, so very different kind of vibe, gone from

568
00:30:11,373 --> 00:30:13,533
Speaker 4: more of a documentary kind of vibe. But basically it's

569
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Speaker 4: a single shot, one stop at one stop special following

570
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Speaker 4: Ed Shearon as he walks around New York with his

571
00:30:19,173 --> 00:30:20,573
Speaker 4: guitar and hands. We're going to tell you about that

572
00:30:20,653 --> 00:30:23,133
Speaker 4: after ten o'clock this morning. In a couple of minutes,

573
00:30:23,293 --> 00:30:25,213
Speaker 4: our cook is here with her recipe for the week.

574
00:30:25,293 --> 00:30:26,773
Speaker 4: Just so you know, if you are making your way

575
00:30:26,813 --> 00:30:29,613
Speaker 4: through Auckland at the moment, things are very tricky right

576
00:30:29,653 --> 00:30:32,533
Speaker 4: now on the Harbor Bridge with the protest this morning

577
00:30:32,693 --> 00:30:35,373
Speaker 4: from the fishing protesters. We're going to update you with

578
00:30:35,413 --> 00:30:38,413
Speaker 4: the very latest on that protest and the updates from

579
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Speaker 4: the authorities and the ten o'clock news. Very shortly got

580
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Speaker 4: it to ten on News Talks.

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Speaker 5: He'db Saturday morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going

582
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Speaker 5: through the weekend US TALKSB.

583
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Speaker 4: But i'd see that I'm not the only one absolutely

584
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Speaker 4: frothing over a Test cricket at the moment. In the

585
00:30:53,653 --> 00:30:55,893
Speaker 4: first day of the Ashes, Jack is a cricket tragic.

586
00:30:55,973 --> 00:30:59,133
Speaker 4: I absolutely loved the game in Perth yesterday. I actually

587
00:30:59,173 --> 00:31:00,893
Speaker 4: had to spend some money to buy off some other

588
00:31:00,933 --> 00:31:03,133
Speaker 4: members of the family so that I could continue watching

589
00:31:03,493 --> 00:31:05,533
Speaker 4: until the end of the day's play, says Bears. Good

590
00:31:05,533 --> 00:31:07,973
Speaker 4: on your bears. Yeah, it's an investment, isn't it. It's

591
00:31:07,973 --> 00:31:09,733
Speaker 4: an investment even if it costs you a few bucks

592
00:31:09,733 --> 00:31:12,173
Speaker 4: so you can get a bit of clear air and

593
00:31:12,293 --> 00:31:14,373
Speaker 4: enjoy the cricket. That's what you gotta do. Goa do

594
00:31:14,413 --> 00:31:16,613
Speaker 4: what you gotta do. Ninety two ninety two is our

595
00:31:16,653 --> 00:31:18,813
Speaker 4: text number if you want to send us a message

596
00:31:18,853 --> 00:31:21,133
Speaker 4: like Baz did this morning thirteen to ten and our cook,

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00:31:21,173 --> 00:31:25,373
Speaker 4: Nikki Wicks is here this morning. Good morning, Yes.

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Speaker 8: Good morning, Jack. I loved your intro.

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00:31:28,413 --> 00:31:30,933
Speaker 4: Oh y, have you been to Dimitris?

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00:31:31,453 --> 00:31:35,293
Speaker 17: I sure have I I waited outside. This was pre earthquake.

601
00:31:35,533 --> 00:31:37,253
Speaker 4: Oh yes, so it was in.

602
00:31:37,213 --> 00:31:38,413
Speaker 8: Their old their old location.

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00:31:38,493 --> 00:31:41,653
Speaker 17: I remember queuing for one of those beautiful Suberlaki sandwiches.

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Speaker 4: Oh what do you think makes it so?

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00:31:43,413 --> 00:31:43,533
Speaker 3: So?

606
00:31:44,253 --> 00:31:45,933
Speaker 4: I was thinking of this kind of kind of a

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00:31:45,973 --> 00:31:49,693
Speaker 4: primal thing about just hot, hot bread and hot meat.

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00:31:49,813 --> 00:31:51,453
Speaker 4: And actually we're going to talk about that you're used

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00:31:51,453 --> 00:31:52,773
Speaker 4: to be this morning as well in just a couple

610
00:31:52,813 --> 00:31:56,493
Speaker 4: of minutes, which is fantastic. But what do you think

611
00:31:56,533 --> 00:32:00,253
Speaker 4: it is about the Dimitri's combination that is such a winner?

612
00:32:00,493 --> 00:32:03,813
Speaker 4: Why has that souvlaki become so popular? Do you reckon?

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00:32:04,253 --> 00:32:07,973
Speaker 17: Because I think, well, I think in terms of our mouth,

614
00:32:08,013 --> 00:32:09,773
Speaker 17: our mouth loves fat.

615
00:32:09,413 --> 00:32:12,013
Speaker 8: And acidity, that's what it loves. And salt.

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00:32:12,373 --> 00:32:14,973
Speaker 17: So you've got fatty, salty lamb, and then you've got

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Speaker 17: that beautiful tart dressing that's full of acidity, you know,

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00:32:18,613 --> 00:32:20,933
Speaker 17: with yogurt and lemon juice and mint and all that

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Speaker 17: kind of thing.

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Speaker 8: And yeah, and golf course the garlic.

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Speaker 17: And I also think there's something really attractive about being

622
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Speaker 17: just sort of being able to sort of hand hold

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Speaker 17: a whole meal.

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Speaker 4: I totally agree.

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Speaker 12: I agree.

626
00:32:34,413 --> 00:32:36,853
Speaker 4: I feel like these things are scratching the caveman brain,

627
00:32:37,293 --> 00:32:39,173
Speaker 4: all of them. You know, it's a really it's a

628
00:32:39,253 --> 00:32:41,493
Speaker 4: kind of it's a it's kind of there's something kind

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Speaker 4: of visceral about it, like you're using all of your

630
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Speaker 4: senses when you eat with your hand. Yeah, yeah, I reckon.

631
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Speaker 17: I can still remember actually at the other end of

632
00:32:49,133 --> 00:32:53,813
Speaker 17: the spectrum going to review Meritis, which was road Michael

633
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Speaker 17: Murder's restaurant, and his first course that he sent out

634
00:32:56,973 --> 00:32:59,933
Speaker 17: was a tiny little beetroot macaroon and you had to

635
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Speaker 17: eat it in your hand, and that's so odd for

636
00:33:02,413 --> 00:33:05,253
Speaker 17: a fine dining restaurant. But I remember thinking, oh, that's

637
00:33:05,293 --> 00:33:08,213
Speaker 17: a good ploy because straight away we're engaged.

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Speaker 8: We're slightly off put, but in a good way. It's there. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 8: that no dimetris.

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Speaker 17: I'm so happy that that forty years congratulations, that's just brilliant.

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Speaker 8: And I think we love a sandwich. I do sandwiches.

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Speaker 17: I was thinking I loved your intro because I'm doing

643
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Speaker 17: Poe Boys, but we love a bar and me from

644
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Speaker 17: Vietnam again, it's what meat. It's kind of acidity crammed

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Speaker 17: in there with all the power power of the herbs

646
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Speaker 17: and a good dressing. More Fha letters are a kind

647
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Speaker 17: of an Italian sandwich. That is, you put a big

648
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Speaker 17: sort of olive salad in the you smear the bread

649
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Speaker 17: with crushed up lots of olives and garlic and and

650
00:33:45,973 --> 00:33:48,133
Speaker 17: so that's salty and fantasy and they just layer it

651
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Speaker 17: up with as much meat as you can. But poe Boys, yeah,

652
00:33:51,533 --> 00:33:54,893
Speaker 17: from New Orleans. I have just finished making a batch

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Speaker 17: for some some actors tonight on stage the I I

654
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Speaker 17: think she's gonna eat them on stage, which is fantastic.

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Speaker 8: So I have to make sure I use the soft

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Speaker 8: fun not.

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00:34:06,813 --> 00:34:09,213
Speaker 17: A big old baghette, otherwise they're going to have their

658
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Speaker 17: mouthful of biget for a very long time.

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Speaker 8: They won't be able to get their lines out.

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Speaker 17: So it's a play called Poe Boys and Oysters and

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00:34:15,013 --> 00:34:20,893
Speaker 17: it opens the Alt Festival of Black Arts, and that

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Speaker 17: goes for a couple of a couple of weeks and

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Speaker 17: goes through to December, so people should get along. It's

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Speaker 17: called a phoba for short, which it sounds like equa fever.

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Speaker 18: But this is.

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Speaker 17: Exciting, so I really had to think about how are

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Speaker 17: they going to eat the So my ones that I've

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Speaker 17: made them are not as spicy, but this is what

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Speaker 17: you do. You've got to make a bit of a

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Speaker 17: spicy mayo. I put mayo and this is just my

671
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Speaker 17: version Thousand Island dressing in there, a bit of hot sauce,

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Speaker 17: one teaspoon of smoked.

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Speaker 8: Paprika is great.

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Speaker 17: A little bit of worse stars short sauce and I

675
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Speaker 17: never know how to say that, and a teaspoon of

676
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Speaker 17: horseradish and a squeeze of lemon. So straight away, Jack,

677
00:34:51,973 --> 00:34:54,413
Speaker 17: you've got that spicy sauce getting in there.

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Speaker 8: And then essentially just get.

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Speaker 17: Along by geat and you fry off some oises and

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Speaker 17: some prawns, and I just dust them in a little

681
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Speaker 17: bit of a sort of cage in flavored dusting of

682
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Speaker 17: mixture of flour and corn. Put a bit of cay

683
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Speaker 17: and pepper in there, some dried thyme, some oregano, a

684
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Speaker 17: little bit of I didn't have any onion or garlic,

685
00:35:14,293 --> 00:35:17,573
Speaker 17: salt or powdered stuff because I don't have that, but

686
00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:19,093
Speaker 17: that's okay. Just put some salt and a bit of

687
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Speaker 17: garlics through it. Anyway, oil for fry, and just dust off.

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Speaker 8: Your prawns and your oysters. And you fried those.

689
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Speaker 17: At the last minute, so you're on everything else with

690
00:35:27,493 --> 00:35:30,933
Speaker 17: your baguette or your roll to be already shredded lettuce,

691
00:35:31,253 --> 00:35:35,893
Speaker 17: sliced tomatoes, pickles, I use onions and gurkins, lots of

692
00:35:35,933 --> 00:35:39,493
Speaker 17: that hot sauce, and then lots of these hot fried,

693
00:35:39,613 --> 00:35:43,133
Speaker 17: crispy prawns and oysters. But you could also do them

694
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Speaker 17: with roast beef. That's another sort of poe boy idea. Yeah,

695
00:35:47,053 --> 00:35:52,133
Speaker 17: and came from came from a deli that served these

696
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Speaker 17: up to people striking in New Orleans in nineteen twenty nine,

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Speaker 17: I think. So they served them to all the lads

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Speaker 17: who were striking, and they called them poe boys, I

699
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Speaker 17: for the poor boys worth because they were standing on

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Speaker 17: their principal So yeah, and then it became such a thing.

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Speaker 8: So that's where poe boy comes from.

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Speaker 4: And I love it so good. I remember, I've only

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Speaker 4: been to New Orleans once, and it's one of those

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Speaker 4: places I desperately want to return. I actually went there

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Speaker 4: by myself as well, because I was there for work,

706
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Speaker 4: and I like, desperately, I would love to go there

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Speaker 4: with a family and you know, go there with some

708
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Speaker 4: mates or something like that. But I remember before I went,

709
00:36:30,453 --> 00:36:34,133
Speaker 4: I sort of plotted out in between all of my work.

710
00:36:34,173 --> 00:36:35,893
Speaker 4: I was like, right, if I'm here in New Orleans

711
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Speaker 4: for seventy two hours or you know, three days or whatever,

712
00:36:38,333 --> 00:36:40,933
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is where every meal is going to be.

713
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Speaker 4: But I distinctly remember getting in on a really early flight,

714
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Speaker 4: and then the first thing I did was go and

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Speaker 4: get a Poe Boy for lunch, and it was just

716
00:36:48,373 --> 00:36:51,213
Speaker 4: oh yeah, you know, with the pawns and just everything

717
00:36:51,333 --> 00:36:51,693
Speaker 4: was so.

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Speaker 8: We've got shrimp as they call it, because it's.

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Speaker 4: A really distinct cuisine, like Cajun cuisine is a really

720
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Speaker 4: distinct you know. And yeah, New Orleans are real, you know,

721
00:37:03,333 --> 00:37:05,373
Speaker 4: a real culinary destination, don't you think?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? I do think. So we did. We did a

723
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Speaker 8: show out for a Wild Kitchen out of there.

724
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Speaker 17: They have the Magic the Magic Trio which is onions, peppers,

725
00:37:13,653 --> 00:37:17,133
Speaker 17: and celery, and that permeates.

726
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Speaker 8: A lot of the cuisine. It's kind of like their

727
00:37:18,293 --> 00:37:20,133
Speaker 8: little fry off beforehand and then you add things.

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Speaker 17: I thought it was absolutely fantastic place for you know,

729
00:37:22,733 --> 00:37:26,293
Speaker 17: the culture of food there, Vignier, those beautiful gasts that

730
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Speaker 17: come from there. You know, they don't actually origin it

731
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Speaker 17: from there, but you know all about Yeah, I thought

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Speaker 17: it was really fantastic. And I was interested that the

733
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Speaker 17: herbs and spices were all quite basic, but when you

734
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Speaker 17: put them in the combination, you're.

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Speaker 8: Like, oh, oh my god, that's for disticking New Orleans favor.

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Speaker 8: Ye absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, love it. Hey, thank you so much. This Poe

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Speaker 4: Boy sound amazing. So we're going to make sure that

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Speaker 4: Nicki's recipe is up at Newstalks HEDB dot co dot

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Speaker 4: nz seven to ten.

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Speaker 5: Giving v Inside scoop on All you Need to Know

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Speaker 5: Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talks.

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Speaker 4: Harley has sent me an email this morning to said Jack,

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Speaker 4: I really really loved your opening comments this morning regards Dimitries.

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Speaker 4: Couldn't believe that you've said it's been forty years they've

746
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Speaker 4: been making their wonderful serve Larkys and christ Churchs until

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Speaker 4: I realized that it was probably dot dot dot forty

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Speaker 4: years since I got my first Dmitri sev Laki and

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Speaker 4: christ Church's been enjoying them ever since. Thank you so

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Speaker 4: much for that. If you want to send me an email,

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Speaker 4: you know what to do. Jacket Newsbooks dB dot co

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Speaker 4: dot nzed as my email address. Now after ten o'clock,

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Speaker 4: I've got some fantastic shows to recommend in our screen

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Speaker 4: time segment, including that one with Ed Shearon and this

755
00:38:34,133 --> 00:38:37,493
Speaker 4: really interesting new series called All Her Fault. And then

756
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Speaker 4: our feature interview right after the news is going to

757
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Speaker 4: be none other than Sir Tony Robinson Bordrick himself is

758
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Speaker 4: going to be with us. He has lots of irons

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Speaker 4: in the Fire Right so as well as Time Team,

760
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Speaker 4: which he's now fronted for twenty seasons, as well as Blackhader.

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Speaker 4: Tony has written a whole series of books and he's

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Speaker 4: written this brand new one called The House of Wolf,

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Speaker 4: which is his first foray into adult fiction. So by

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Speaker 4: that I mean fiction for you know, people who aren't

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Speaker 4: teenagers anymore. Anyway, I'm sure for all he's going to

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Speaker 4: be with us right after the Tearcock News and he

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Speaker 4: is heading to New Zealand, so we're going to give

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Speaker 4: you details for his live shows as well. It's almost

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Speaker 4: ten o'clock. News is next Saturday Morning. I'm Jack Tamed.

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Speaker 4: This is News Talk z B.

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Speaker 5: Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack

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Speaker 5: Tame News Talks by.

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Speaker 4: No Good Morning Here with Jack Tame on News Talks

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Speaker 4: d B through the midday today. So, Tony Robinson is

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Speaker 4: one of the world's most recognized history presenters. After four

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Speaker 4: Korea defining series of the British sitcom Blackadder, Tony of

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Speaker 4: course fronted twenty seasons of the Archaeological dig show Time team.

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Speaker 4: His humorous hooks and accessible presentation has helped to demystify

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Speaker 4: history and inspire passion in a whole new generation. Tony

780
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Speaker 4: has also written more than thirty children's books, but his

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Speaker 4: latest historical excavation is his first foray into fiction for

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Speaker 4: an older audience. The book's called The House of Wolf.

783
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Speaker 4: It's set in ninth century Wessex, Wessex, and is an

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Speaker 4: epic struggle between greed, idealism, ambition and betrayal. And so

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Speaker 4: Tony Robinson is with us this morning, Kyoda, good.

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Speaker 13: Morning, good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 4: Hey. You have achieved an extraordinary number of things in

788
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Speaker 4: your life. You have had an extraordinary number of creative pursuits.

789
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Speaker 4: It is remarkable to consider there was even a first

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Speaker 4: for you still to achieve. And yet the House of

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Speaker 4: Wolf is your first piece of adult fiction. So can

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Speaker 4: you just tell us how tell our listeners a little

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Speaker 4: bit about it?

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Speaker 19: Well, it's pretty ridiculous, really. I was seventy eight when

795
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Speaker 19: I decided to write a historic trilogy, but I did.

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Speaker 19: And yeah, and so the first book is called The

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Speaker 19: House of Wolf, and it's about King Alfred the Great,

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Speaker 19: the only king that the English called Great and it

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Speaker 19: was a long, long time ago. It was in the

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Speaker 19: ninth century AD, that's two hundred years before William the

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Speaker 19: Conqueror it came to England. But the reason he is

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Speaker 19: so great is twofold. First of all, because he completely

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Speaker 19: defeated the Vikings at a time when nobody else was

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Speaker 19: getting anywhere near defeating them. Secondly, he was the king

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Speaker 19: of Wessex, which is like southern England, and he nicked Mercier,

806
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Speaker 19: which was the word for the Midlands in those days,

807
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Speaker 19: blued them together and used a bit of East Anglia

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Speaker 19: where there were some Christian Vikings, so all three were

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Speaker 19: glued together. Initially they called themselves the Anglo Saxons, but

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Speaker 19: then gradually out of that came the word angle Land.

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Speaker 19: In other words, Alfred created England. And so you know,

812
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Speaker 19: if that isn't worth the story, what else is?

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Speaker 4: Have you always had an interest in the Anglo Sexons

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Speaker 4: as they're not?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, because like for your listeners who've come to England,

817
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Speaker 19: which I imagine will be quite a few of them,

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Speaker 19: you can see the Romans in the landscape, You've got

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Speaker 19: Hadrian's Wall and all that stuff.

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Speaker 13: You can see the Normans in the landscape.

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Speaker 19: Because of all the cathedrals and all the castles, but

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Speaker 19: that gap of six hundred odd years in between what

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Speaker 19: they used to call the Dark Ages, there really isn't

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Speaker 19: any sign of And that's why it was called the

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Speaker 19: Dark Ages, not because the light suddenly failed, but because

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Speaker 19: it's very hard to see who those people were.

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Speaker 13: So from my point of view as.

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Speaker 19: A writer, that's great because it means I can use

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Speaker 19: my imagination almost as much as I like, and no

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Speaker 19: one can say, Ahi, you're wrong.

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Speaker 4: Well, how different is it writing for adults because you

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Speaker 4: have written I think thirty books now for younger readers,

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Speaker 4: and they are beloved books. But it is it's quite

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Speaker 4: a different experience.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought, yeah, totally.

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Speaker 19: Yeah. It scared me rigid when I started. I had

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Speaker 19: massive imposter syndrome.

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Speaker 13: It's ridiculous, is it?

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Speaker 19: Like I've been on the stage for sixty odd years,

840
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Speaker 19: and yet when it came to writing a.

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Speaker 13: Book gripped me.

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Speaker 19: That just that idea of looking at the blank page

843
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Speaker 19: and knowing you've got to fill it up with something implausible.

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Speaker 3: For grown ups.

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Speaker 13: And I knew I wanted to create a saga.

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Speaker 19: I knew I wanted it to be something, you know,

847
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Speaker 19: those netflicky HBO type wonderful theories that we've all adored

848
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Speaker 19: over the last ten to fifteen years.

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Speaker 13: I wanted it to.

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Speaker 19: Be a page turner, but I also wanted to reflect

851
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Speaker 19: the history that was going on at the time, and

852
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Speaker 19: I knew that meant that, rather like Game of Thrones,

853
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Speaker 19: I had to have lots of stories going on at

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Speaker 19: the same time. So I'm sitting there with my pen

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Speaker 19: in my hand, because I do write with a pen

856
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Speaker 19: and paper, and I'm thinking, how dare you have the

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Speaker 19: audacity to try and knit three or four storylines together

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Speaker 19: over like four and a half hundred pages, knowing that

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Speaker 19: that's only the first third. How can you do that

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Speaker 19: and expect people not to yell out, fraud, cheat, liar.

861
00:45:09,533 --> 00:45:14,973
Speaker 4: It's It's a delicate balance, isn't it. When you're relying

862
00:45:15,013 --> 00:45:18,173
Speaker 4: on true historical fact and you're trying to weave that

863
00:45:18,373 --> 00:45:21,573
Speaker 4: in with a fictional narrative, like you always want to

864
00:45:21,573 --> 00:45:23,373
Speaker 4: have the kind of right balance between the two. I

865
00:45:23,413 --> 00:45:24,893
Speaker 4: should imagine it.

866
00:45:24,853 --> 00:45:27,213
Speaker 19: Was so lovely because I really, you know, I really

867
00:45:27,453 --> 00:45:32,853
Speaker 19: I did go quite bonkers writing it. But and I

868
00:45:32,933 --> 00:45:38,173
Speaker 19: submitted the drafts of final draft to the publisher, and

869
00:45:38,213 --> 00:45:42,373
Speaker 19: then he got that printed up and sent it out

870
00:45:42,573 --> 00:45:43,653
Speaker 19: to a number of people.

871
00:45:43,733 --> 00:45:45,253
Speaker 13: I think, I think your young.

872
00:45:45,053 --> 00:45:50,893
Speaker 19: People call them opinion formers, uh, and some journalists and

873
00:45:50,973 --> 00:45:55,373
Speaker 19: also some historical novelists, people that I really respected, and

874
00:45:55,453 --> 00:45:57,533
Speaker 19: I was in even more terror.

875
00:45:57,653 --> 00:45:59,413
Speaker 13: I know, I'm laying this on a bit with a trout.

876
00:46:01,413 --> 00:46:05,973
Speaker 19: And then after six weeks, the writer Dan Jones, who

877
00:46:06,013 --> 00:46:11,613
Speaker 19: wrote a stormily popular historical novel called Essex Dogs. He wrote,

878
00:46:11,653 --> 00:46:14,693
Speaker 19: but he wrote, well, he wrote a review of it,

879
00:46:14,773 --> 00:46:19,373
Speaker 19: really and it was so fulsome he was so enthusiastic

880
00:46:20,213 --> 00:46:23,653
Speaker 19: about it. Both thought it was, you know, the bee's knees.

881
00:46:24,013 --> 00:46:29,013
Speaker 19: That immediately all that paranoia that I'd had dispelled completely.

882
00:46:29,733 --> 00:46:32,533
Speaker 19: It like this huge weight off my shoulders. And then

883
00:46:32,853 --> 00:46:35,733
Speaker 19: more and more of these lovely reviews came in, and well,

884
00:46:36,693 --> 00:46:39,253
Speaker 19: it got in the Sunday Times Top twenty, which is,

885
00:46:39,293 --> 00:46:40,613
Speaker 19: you know, no top ten.

886
00:46:40,813 --> 00:46:44,213
Speaker 13: Why am I putting myself out? It's the top ten.

887
00:46:44,933 --> 00:46:47,173
Speaker 13: And that's great because once you've got.

888
00:46:46,973 --> 00:46:50,613
Speaker 19: That, you're allowed to call yourselves a Sunday Times best

889
00:46:50,653 --> 00:46:53,933
Speaker 19: selling author. So you know, that's that's really what your

890
00:46:53,933 --> 00:46:56,533
Speaker 19: introduction should have been. And I don't want to well,

891
00:46:56,533 --> 00:46:57,973
Speaker 19: that's what he's going started.

892
00:46:57,693 --> 00:47:01,893
Speaker 4: With yeah, yeah, of course, well yeah, I for what

893
00:47:01,933 --> 00:47:06,013
Speaker 4: it's worth. I hope you never feel the need for

894
00:47:06,773 --> 00:47:10,693
Speaker 4: confirmation of validation again, because we love your work, Toney,

895
00:47:10,733 --> 00:47:14,693
Speaker 4: so's my thanks. Why do you write with pen and

896
00:47:14,693 --> 00:47:15,453
Speaker 4: paper still?

897
00:47:16,173 --> 00:47:17,173
Speaker 13: I love it.

898
00:47:16,613 --> 00:47:19,973
Speaker 19: I love the way it feels. I love the way

899
00:47:20,013 --> 00:47:22,213
Speaker 19: the pen feels in my hand. I love the rustle

900
00:47:22,253 --> 00:47:25,613
Speaker 19: of the paper. My ideal way of working is to

901
00:47:25,813 --> 00:47:28,453
Speaker 19: have two pillows behind me in bed, and I've got

902
00:47:28,533 --> 00:47:32,813
Speaker 19: fourteen sheets fanned out, like on the left hand side

903
00:47:32,853 --> 00:47:36,053
Speaker 19: all the pages that I've just written, in the middle

904
00:47:36,093 --> 00:47:38,053
Speaker 19: of the ones I'm working on now, and on the

905
00:47:38,093 --> 00:47:40,413
Speaker 19: far side of the notes for what will happen in

906
00:47:40,413 --> 00:47:47,333
Speaker 19: the future. It's the absolute opposite of using any kind

907
00:47:47,373 --> 00:47:52,973
Speaker 19: of computerized writing. It's the process is always there, The

908
00:47:53,093 --> 00:47:56,973
Speaker 19: whole process is always with me. I'm not dominated by

909
00:47:56,973 --> 00:47:59,413
Speaker 19: the single screen and I'm you know, I'm not dissing

910
00:47:59,493 --> 00:48:02,053
Speaker 19: ninety nine percent of the writers I know.

911
00:48:02,573 --> 00:48:05,373
Speaker 13: Who write on their laptop, but just for me, it

912
00:48:05,533 --> 00:48:06,293
Speaker 13: just feels right.

913
00:48:06,693 --> 00:48:06,893
Speaker 20: Yeah.

914
00:48:08,733 --> 00:48:13,813
Speaker 4: Do you think your many incredible seasons of time team

915
00:48:14,093 --> 00:48:17,293
Speaker 4: has helped you to connect with stories like this from

916
00:48:17,493 --> 00:48:19,733
Speaker 4: from the past. What do you see as being the

917
00:48:19,733 --> 00:48:20,413
Speaker 4: connection there.

918
00:48:21,173 --> 00:48:27,413
Speaker 19: Yeah, and black Adder too. Both of them were created

919
00:48:27,573 --> 00:48:34,333
Speaker 19: by incredibly intelligent, mostly Oxford and Cambridge educated young men.

920
00:48:35,493 --> 00:48:37,973
Speaker 19: Most of it was certainly on black Adder they were

921
00:48:38,013 --> 00:48:41,253
Speaker 19: all young men, not more women on time team, but

922
00:48:41,413 --> 00:48:45,653
Speaker 19: all of them had this passion about history, this very

923
00:48:45,733 --> 00:48:50,333
Speaker 19: serious attitude towards history actually, which really rubbed off on me,

924
00:48:50,413 --> 00:48:53,853
Speaker 19: both the passion and the seriousness, except that on black

925
00:48:53,893 --> 00:48:57,333
Speaker 19: Adder those guys were prepared to use it in any

926
00:48:57,373 --> 00:49:00,053
Speaker 19: way they wanted to in order to create a good

927
00:49:00,093 --> 00:49:02,733
Speaker 19: story and a good gag. So that's there with me

928
00:49:02,813 --> 00:49:06,613
Speaker 19: as well. I think those two things were huge, huge

929
00:49:06,693 --> 00:49:10,693
Speaker 19: influences on me. And the third one is Charles Dickens.

930
00:49:10,733 --> 00:49:12,693
Speaker 19: I mean, I wouldn't want to compare myself with him

931
00:49:12,733 --> 00:49:15,533
Speaker 19: in any other way other than that he was a

932
00:49:15,573 --> 00:49:18,973
Speaker 19: writer who started off as an actor, and when you

933
00:49:20,093 --> 00:49:26,133
Speaker 19: listen or read what he wrote, you can hear that

934
00:49:26,253 --> 00:49:28,973
Speaker 19: it is the words of an actor, someone who reddish

935
00:49:29,053 --> 00:49:32,053
Speaker 19: it in words, someone who loves words, someone wants to

936
00:49:32,053 --> 00:49:35,453
Speaker 19: read their book out loud, And like all the characters

937
00:49:35,453 --> 00:49:39,293
Speaker 19: he created are slightly hyper real, aren't they, And all

938
00:49:39,373 --> 00:49:43,453
Speaker 19: the environments in which you set the characters again slightly hyperreal,

939
00:49:43,773 --> 00:49:46,533
Speaker 19: and yeah, I think I follow that example too.

940
00:49:46,773 --> 00:49:51,573
Speaker 4: See, I reflect on Blackhead as almost being the kind

941
00:49:51,613 --> 00:49:55,253
Speaker 4: of soundscape of my childhood. I feel, I feel as

942
00:49:55,693 --> 00:49:59,533
Speaker 4: it sort of you know, it papers my memories.

943
00:49:59,733 --> 00:50:02,093
Speaker 13: Well, terribly bad.

944
00:50:04,013 --> 00:50:09,013
Speaker 4: But I read recently that you see that multiple actors

945
00:50:09,013 --> 00:50:12,213
Speaker 4: had turned down the role of Baldrick before.

946
00:50:11,253 --> 00:50:17,813
Speaker 19: Yeah, well, if you'd seen the pilot scripts, you would

947
00:50:17,813 --> 00:50:20,333
Speaker 19: have understood it was pretty rubbish. And the part of

948
00:50:20,413 --> 00:50:23,613
Speaker 19: Balderick was only about eight lines, and there wasn't one

949
00:50:23,653 --> 00:50:28,253
Speaker 19: funny one in it. And virtually everybody who that little

950
00:50:28,333 --> 00:50:34,653
Speaker 19: coterie of performers cast in their shows were fellow members

951
00:50:34,693 --> 00:50:37,933
Speaker 19: of the Oxford University Dramatic Society in Cambridge foot Lives.

952
00:50:38,173 --> 00:50:39,893
Speaker 13: They were the people they had always worked with. They

953
00:50:40,173 --> 00:50:41,773
Speaker 13: all knew how to work together.

954
00:50:42,093 --> 00:50:43,893
Speaker 19: So you can imagine if you were one of that

955
00:50:44,213 --> 00:50:50,413
Speaker 19: group of people and Richard Curtis and Rowan had written

956
00:50:50,413 --> 00:50:52,293
Speaker 19: this script and they'd only given you eight lines and

957
00:50:52,293 --> 00:50:54,413
Speaker 19: another of them were funny, you'd have gone, yeah, well,

958
00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:58,333
Speaker 19: next time maybe, but you know, not this one. And

959
00:50:58,893 --> 00:51:02,453
Speaker 19: I suspect that was something like what happened. And eventually,

960
00:51:03,293 --> 00:51:05,613
Speaker 19: just because the head of comedy had seen me doing

961
00:51:05,653 --> 00:51:10,213
Speaker 19: something small and vaguely humorous, cast me as someone small

962
00:51:10,253 --> 00:51:11,293
Speaker 19: and vaguely humorous.

963
00:51:11,773 --> 00:51:14,533
Speaker 4: Do people still pull you up on the street and

964
00:51:15,053 --> 00:51:16,653
Speaker 4: recite lines to you from Black Hana?

965
00:51:16,853 --> 00:51:17,853
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, oh.

966
00:51:17,853 --> 00:51:18,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah yeah.

967
00:51:18,813 --> 00:51:19,213
Speaker 13: Probably.

968
00:51:19,293 --> 00:51:22,293
Speaker 19: Problem is I've forgotten them, Like they recite the whole

969
00:51:22,293 --> 00:51:24,333
Speaker 19: of a gag except for the punchline, and then they

970
00:51:24,373 --> 00:51:26,013
Speaker 19: wait for me to say the punchline.

971
00:51:26,213 --> 00:51:27,053
Speaker 13: I can't remember.

972
00:51:27,453 --> 00:51:30,053
Speaker 19: I just look at them blankly and go, yeah, go on,

973
00:51:30,253 --> 00:51:32,533
Speaker 19: you say it.

974
00:51:33,453 --> 00:51:38,333
Speaker 4: I also read that you have another ambition outside of

975
00:51:38,373 --> 00:51:41,293
Speaker 4: this trilogy to come to the South Island's West Coast

976
00:51:41,293 --> 00:51:45,093
Speaker 4: and New Zealand and film a documentary here.

977
00:51:46,053 --> 00:51:48,573
Speaker 19: Yeah, well it hasn't no, no, I just want to

978
00:51:48,653 --> 00:51:52,693
Speaker 19: keep on saying it, hoping that some film producer with

979
00:51:52,733 --> 00:51:55,773
Speaker 19: a lot of money will will will help me make

980
00:51:55,813 --> 00:52:00,333
Speaker 19: that serious. It is one of the most fascinating parts

981
00:52:00,373 --> 00:52:02,893
Speaker 19: of the world that I've been to, and its history

982
00:52:02,973 --> 00:52:05,933
Speaker 19: is so rich, and you know, I don't know how

983
00:52:05,973 --> 00:52:09,413
Speaker 19: familiar all that stuff is to New Zealand people, even

984
00:52:09,613 --> 00:52:12,813
Speaker 19: South Ireland people, but certainly over here we know nothing

985
00:52:12,853 --> 00:52:14,693
Speaker 19: about it. And in the States, I don't think they

986
00:52:14,693 --> 00:52:17,253
Speaker 19: know anything about You know, that was the real gold Rush,

987
00:52:17,333 --> 00:52:21,813
Speaker 19: wasn't it, and what a transforming time it was, and

988
00:52:21,853 --> 00:52:27,413
Speaker 19: how lost and isolated so many people were, of all ethnicities,

989
00:52:27,973 --> 00:52:30,253
Speaker 19: and yeah, I would love to do something or that.

990
00:52:30,293 --> 00:52:33,613
Speaker 19: I just think a great and fascinating time. And now

991
00:52:33,973 --> 00:52:35,773
Speaker 19: I think most people look at the back of the

992
00:52:35,853 --> 00:52:39,253
Speaker 19: map and New Zealand and all they see is the

993
00:52:39,293 --> 00:52:41,573
Speaker 19: other coast, the bit down the boom and the bit

994
00:52:41,653 --> 00:52:46,373
Speaker 19: up the top. They don't see that wonderful, fulfilling, it

995
00:52:46,413 --> 00:52:49,173
Speaker 19: exciting bit that is virtually ignored.

996
00:52:50,013 --> 00:52:52,733
Speaker 4: You are coming to New Zealand early next year. So

997
00:52:52,973 --> 00:52:55,013
Speaker 4: are you got two different dates?

998
00:52:55,093 --> 00:52:55,293
Speaker 7: Right?

999
00:52:56,213 --> 00:52:59,893
Speaker 19: Well, two different days, but two very proximate dates. So

1000
00:53:00,053 --> 00:53:02,573
Speaker 19: on the seventeenth of February, I'm at the Bruce Mason

1001
00:53:02,893 --> 00:53:06,693
Speaker 19: in Auckland, and on the eighteenth I'm at the Old, Yes,

1002
00:53:06,773 --> 00:53:08,253
Speaker 19: the Royal in christ Church.

1003
00:53:09,493 --> 00:53:10,133
Speaker 4: I haven't been.

1004
00:53:11,013 --> 00:53:13,133
Speaker 19: Yeah, it's tis for me too, because I haven't been

1005
00:53:13,133 --> 00:53:16,533
Speaker 19: to christ Church since about eighteen months after the big

1006
00:53:16,573 --> 00:53:19,573
Speaker 19: disaster and when it was still really.

1007
00:53:20,733 --> 00:53:21,213
Speaker 2: Struggling.

1008
00:53:21,293 --> 00:53:23,813
Speaker 19: Whenever I say struggling, that sounds offensive and I don't know.

1009
00:53:24,573 --> 00:53:26,733
Speaker 13: I just thought the way that people.

1010
00:53:27,173 --> 00:53:31,893
Speaker 19: Seized the opportunity amidst the tragedy was absolutely profound.

1011
00:53:32,453 --> 00:53:35,413
Speaker 13: And yeah, so I want to go back now.

1012
00:53:37,093 --> 00:53:39,453
Speaker 4: I don't want to give too much away, but I

1013
00:53:39,493 --> 00:53:42,453
Speaker 4: think you will find, for the most part, not entirely,

1014
00:53:42,533 --> 00:53:44,773
Speaker 4: but for the most part, that's the city transformed.

1015
00:53:45,013 --> 00:53:47,893
Speaker 19: So I'm longing to say, so, are any of those

1016
00:53:47,933 --> 00:53:50,573
Speaker 19: big I forgot what you call those big rectangular metal

1017
00:53:50,613 --> 00:53:52,933
Speaker 19: boxes that were turned into.

1018
00:53:52,733 --> 00:53:54,653
Speaker 4: Shops for the shipping containers.

1019
00:53:55,133 --> 00:53:56,533
Speaker 13: Yeah, the containers. That's the word.

1020
00:53:56,693 --> 00:54:00,413
Speaker 19: Yeah, excuse me, I am seventy nine. It's the first

1021
00:54:00,413 --> 00:54:03,013
Speaker 19: time in this entire interview I've forgotten a word, and

1022
00:54:03,093 --> 00:54:05,933
Speaker 19: it was the word ladies and gentlemen, shipping containers.

1023
00:54:06,213 --> 00:54:09,093
Speaker 4: You you've got your mind with the Anglo Saxons. That's

1024
00:54:09,133 --> 00:54:10,453
Speaker 4: totally understanding. That's true.

1025
00:54:10,573 --> 00:54:14,373
Speaker 19: Yeah, and the Anglo Saxon shiving containers were made out

1026
00:54:14,413 --> 00:54:14,693
Speaker 19: of wood.

1027
00:54:14,893 --> 00:54:21,213
Speaker 4: Yes, we are delighted that you're coming down. Congratulations on

1028
00:54:21,253 --> 00:54:22,893
Speaker 4: the House of Wolf, and we're thrilled that it's going

1029
00:54:22,893 --> 00:54:24,733
Speaker 4: to be a three part series at the stage as well.

1030
00:54:24,813 --> 00:54:26,813
Speaker 4: So thank you very much for giving us your time

1031
00:54:26,853 --> 00:54:29,333
Speaker 4: and we will see you in a few months, looking

1032
00:54:29,373 --> 00:54:32,373
Speaker 4: forward to it. That is so Tony Robinson to repeat

1033
00:54:32,413 --> 00:54:34,773
Speaker 4: those dates again. He's going to be Auckland on the

1034
00:54:34,813 --> 00:54:37,013
Speaker 4: seventeenth of February. He's going to be in christ on

1035
00:54:37,013 --> 00:54:39,293
Speaker 4: the eighteenth of February. Maybe we can get him to

1036
00:54:39,293 --> 00:54:42,453
Speaker 4: stop by Dimitries while he's in town as well. Such

1037
00:54:42,493 --> 00:54:44,493
Speaker 4: a joy to catch up with him. Now before eleven

1038
00:54:44,533 --> 00:54:46,253
Speaker 4: o'clock on News Talks, he'd be We're going to catch

1039
00:54:46,333 --> 00:54:48,773
Speaker 4: up with our resident doctor who's taking a look this

1040
00:54:48,813 --> 00:54:52,293
Speaker 4: week at younger onset type two diabetes. More than three

1041
00:54:52,373 --> 00:54:55,453
Speaker 4: hundred thousand New Zealanders have diabetes now. I think the

1042
00:54:55,653 --> 00:54:58,293
Speaker 4: cost to the health systems now more now more than

1043
00:54:58,333 --> 00:55:00,853
Speaker 4: two billion dollars a year, which is extraordinary really, So

1044
00:55:00,933 --> 00:55:02,493
Speaker 4: he's going to talk to us a little bit about that.

1045
00:55:02,973 --> 00:55:05,333
Speaker 4: Our textbook will be in next up though. If you're

1046
00:55:05,333 --> 00:55:08,653
Speaker 4: looking forward to a weekend on the couch, our screen

1047
00:55:08,733 --> 00:55:11,973
Speaker 4: time expert has three shows to recommend for watching more

1048
00:55:12,013 --> 00:55:14,653
Speaker 4: streaming at home. Right now, it's twenty two past ten.

1049
00:55:16,013 --> 00:55:19,413
Speaker 5: Star on your weekend Off the Right Way Saturday morning

1050
00:55:19,493 --> 00:55:21,493
Speaker 5: with Jack daim News Talks at me.

1051
00:55:23,733 --> 00:55:26,293
Speaker 4: It's twenty five minutes past ten on your Saturday morning,

1052
00:55:26,333 --> 00:55:30,733
Speaker 4: which means it's put up screen time time. Tara Ward

1053
00:55:30,813 --> 00:55:34,213
Speaker 4: joins us this time every week with her three recommendations

1054
00:55:34,213 --> 00:55:36,813
Speaker 4: to shows to watch or stream at home, you go

1055
00:55:36,973 --> 00:55:40,213
Speaker 4: to Tara what din. Let's begin with a show on

1056
00:55:40,293 --> 00:55:44,133
Speaker 4: TVNZ Plus starring Succession Sarah Snook tell us about All

1057
00:55:44,293 --> 00:55:45,013
Speaker 4: Her Fault.

1058
00:55:46,093 --> 00:55:48,413
Speaker 18: Yeah, this is a new American thriller that I've heard

1059
00:55:48,453 --> 00:55:50,853
Speaker 18: a lot of people talking about recently. This is All

1060
00:55:50,933 --> 00:55:53,053
Speaker 18: Her Fault. It starts as you say, Sarah Snook from

1061
00:55:53,373 --> 00:55:55,973
Speaker 18: Succession and Dakota Fanning. So it has a really great

1062
00:55:56,013 --> 00:55:59,013
Speaker 18: cast and it's about the disappearance of a young boy.

1063
00:55:59,453 --> 00:56:02,333
Speaker 18: Sarah Snook plays a mother, Marissa, who goes to pick

1064
00:56:02,413 --> 00:56:04,693
Speaker 18: up her son from a playdate with a school friend,

1065
00:56:04,813 --> 00:56:07,693
Speaker 18: and she has a text from the friend's mother confirming

1066
00:56:07,733 --> 00:56:10,533
Speaker 18: their address in the playdate. But when she arrives to

1067
00:56:10,573 --> 00:56:13,173
Speaker 18: pick him up, it's the wrong house and the wrong address,

1068
00:56:13,373 --> 00:56:15,453
Speaker 18: and the friend who her son was supposed to be

1069
00:56:15,493 --> 00:56:18,373
Speaker 18: playing with as on a playdate with another classmate. So

1070
00:56:18,453 --> 00:56:21,733
Speaker 18: the question is who is behind this fake playdate and

1071
00:56:21,893 --> 00:56:23,333
Speaker 18: where is Marissa's son?

1072
00:56:23,413 --> 00:56:23,693
Speaker 16: Now?

1073
00:56:24,093 --> 00:56:26,333
Speaker 18: Now, I watch this with a very tight knot in

1074
00:56:26,373 --> 00:56:29,293
Speaker 18: my stomach because it's playing on every parent's worst nightmare.

1075
00:56:29,293 --> 00:56:32,413
Speaker 18: So it's not an easy, breezy kind of show to watch,

1076
00:56:33,013 --> 00:56:35,493
Speaker 18: and it has the exact setup as a show I

1077
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Speaker 18: talked about a few months ago on Disney Plus called

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Speaker 18: The Stolen Girl. So if the plot sounds familiar, that's why.

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Speaker 18: But they are quite different shows. This is more intriguing.

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Speaker 18: It has more deliberate twists and turns to keep you

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Speaker 18: guessing about who in Marissa's circle of trust is responsible

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Speaker 18: for taking her son, because it has to be someone

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Speaker 18: who's close to home, which means everyone she knows, and

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Speaker 18: this show is lying about something. So it's a really

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Speaker 18: twisty thriller. It does have its over the top melodramatic moments,

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Speaker 18: but Sarah Snook and Dakota Fanning, who play the mums

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Speaker 18: of the boys girl such great performances and they sort

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Speaker 18: of keep the whole thing together and ground it nice.

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Speaker 4: Okay, cool, This sounds great. So All Her Fault is

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Speaker 4: on TVNZ plus on three now The Borderline, and this is.

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Speaker 18: A gritty, slow burned kind of police crime drama about

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Speaker 18: an investigation into illegal drug smuggling are going on across

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Speaker 18: the border between Canada and the United States, and it

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Speaker 18: follows a detective who discovers that his childhood best friend

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Speaker 18: is involved in a case of missing drugs and the

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Speaker 18: two of them have the secret from their past that

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Speaker 18: will always link them together. And so the detective is

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Speaker 18: determined to protect his friend and it becomes compromised by

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Speaker 18: getting tangled up with the local crime syndicate who are

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Speaker 18: also trying to get their hands on the drugs. And

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Speaker 18: that syndicate is led by this imposing matriarch who's played

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Speaker 18: by Mini Driver. Now, I love that this series has

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Speaker 18: a beautiful setting. It's filmed on a river that follows

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Speaker 18: the border between Canada and the US in Ontario and

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Speaker 18: is over one thousand little islands in the river. So

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Speaker 18: it's a really evocative setting for a crime drama. You know,

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Speaker 18: it's a pretty standard crime mystery with your compromise detective

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Speaker 18: and your shady characters, but you know, we don't get

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Speaker 18: many Canadian dramas here, and with this great setting and

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Speaker 18: Mini Driver starring in this as well as a bit

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Speaker 18: of a villain, this is definitely worth checking out.

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Speaker 4: Great Okay, And then finally for us this morning, the

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Speaker 4: very literally named one shot with Ed Sheeron.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, this is a new twist on the music documentary genre.

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Speaker 18: This is a one hour music documentary of Ed Shearon

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Speaker 18: walking around New York playing songs on his guitar. But

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Speaker 18: the thing about this show is that it is one

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00:58:47,653 --> 00:58:50,773
Speaker 18: continuous take. And it's directed by Philip Barantini, who also

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Speaker 18: directed the award winning incredible one shot drama Adolescence, so

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Speaker 18: a bit of a different vibe. But he is repeating

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Speaker 18: that one shot, never cut away, single approach here. And

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Speaker 18: it starts with the camera entering a theater where Edgharon

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Speaker 18: is doing a sound check for a concert that night,

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Speaker 18: and then he walks out onto the street and plays

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Speaker 18: a song for the next hour. And I came to

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Speaker 18: this thinking, great, we'll see lots of spontaneous, unpredictable New

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Speaker 18: York moments as he wanders around strumming his guitar. But

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Speaker 18: this is a very well organized spontaneity. It is tightly choreographed,

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Speaker 18: and I guess it has to be.

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Speaker 21: You know.

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Speaker 18: He sings at a proposal, he sings at a birthday party,

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Speaker 18: He gets on a tourist bus that just happens to

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Speaker 18: be waiting there with seats saved for him. You know,

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Speaker 18: that kind of thing. But you know, Ed is having

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Speaker 18: the time of his life. He said that this is

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Speaker 18: the best thing he's been evolved with in his career

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Speaker 18: in terms of the scale of it. New York looks great.

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Speaker 18: It's filmed in the summer, It's filled with sunshine and

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Speaker 18: hazy light, and technically is a really impressive watch as well.

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Speaker 18: It's a bit of fun the Happy TV and it's

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Speaker 18: an ead sharing concert with a twist. So if you

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Speaker 18: are an Edd Shairing fan, you will absolutely love this great.

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Speaker 4: Okay, cool. So that's one shot with ed Share and

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Speaker 4: that's on Netflix. The Boardline is the Canadian drama that's

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Speaker 4: on three now, and All Her Fault is on TVNZ plus.

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team

1147
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Speaker 1: on News Talks Abe.

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Speaker 4: We're mixing things up. Okay, there's nothing wrong with that,

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Speaker 4: but a variety on Saturday morning, that's a good thing.

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01:00:40,293 --> 01:00:44,813
Speaker 4: Right over five years ago now, in the midst of lockdowns,

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01:00:45,173 --> 01:00:48,973
Speaker 4: in the midst of the mass content creation that was

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Speaker 4: spawning online and ample time for musicians to churn out

1153
01:00:52,933 --> 01:00:56,573
Speaker 4: brand new release after brand new release after brand new release,

1154
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Speaker 4: our music reviewer Chris Schultz made a prediction right what

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Speaker 4: would be the ongoing effect of that period of that

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Speaker 4: moment on music and musicians, And we managed to go

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Speaker 4: through the archives and dig out the audio see here's

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Speaker 4: what Chris Schultz said five years ago.

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Speaker 22: We all kind of need a bit of comfort, and

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Speaker 22: I do wonder if maybe some of those bands and

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Speaker 22: acts from our past will start going on nostalgia. And

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Speaker 22: you know, I could see heavier, louder, angrier music making

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Speaker 22: a bit of a comeback. I really hope new metal

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Speaker 22: doesn't make a comeback, but maybe grunge makes it come. Yeah,

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Speaker 22: people coming together for the sounds of twenty years ago,

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Speaker 22: when life seemed a little bit simply you.

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Speaker 4: Know, ding ding ding. Flash forward to this week, to

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Speaker 4: this month, to this year, and what Chris Predict did

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Speaker 4: has most certainly come true. Like he couldn't have been

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Speaker 4: more on the money with those comments. Right. Metallica shredded

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Speaker 4: to a crowd of fifty five thousand on Wednesday night.

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Speaker 4: Both Tool and The Pixies are going to be ripping

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Speaker 4: up on stage this weekend. Oasis has done their incredible

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Speaker 4: international worldwide reunion tour. Deaftones have just announced they're coming

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Speaker 4: to New Zealand next year. So bands from all over

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Speaker 4: the world are delivering incredible nostalgia tours. So we want

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Speaker 4: to ask this morning, given he was so right five

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Speaker 4: years ago, how long can this reflection of the past

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Speaker 4: actually last and who's going to be next up on

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Speaker 4: the international touring roster. Chris is going to be back

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Speaker 4: with us before midday today to give us another hot take.

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Speaker 4: And if he's like last time, he's going to be

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent on the money. Hey, thanks for feedback,

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Speaker 4: Jane flick me note. So, Jack, wonderful interview with Sir

1185
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Speaker 4: Tony Robinson this morning. Really loved it, Peter says Jack.

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Speaker 4: Fantastic interview. Tony is a national treasure, well, an international treasure,

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Speaker 4: don't you think, Peter. If you want to send us

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Speaker 4: a message, ninety two ninety two is our text number.

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Speaker 4: Jacket Newstalks headb dot co dot zet is the email address.

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Speaker 4: Very soon, our resident doctor will will be in taking

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Speaker 4: a closer look at younger onset type two diabetes this week,

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01:03:03,173 --> 01:03:06,213
Speaker 4: something that affects more and more New Zealanders every year.

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Speaker 4: Next up, though, our texperts here twenty five to eleven.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking

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Speaker 1: Breakfast and you.

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Speaker 23: Zeeland first lined up to tell the world they will

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Speaker 23: campaign on flipping the new regulatory standards law Winston Peters

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Speaker 23: as well as here's my concern. Most of the media

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Speaker 23: are whittingly appence with an excitement over the fact that

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Speaker 23: your coalition's falling apart.

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Speaker 8: You don't want that, do well?

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Speaker 2: Of course not.

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Speaker 24: I mean I made the point of the number one

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Speaker 24: responsibility with God a matter of our difference is to

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Speaker 24: provide a stable government to the next election. That master,

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Speaker 24: that's our responsibility. But these Geneis are celebrating and it's

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Speaker 24: still like saying, you know, I'm just discussed by the

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Speaker 24: fact that when our first came to Parland, people in

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Speaker 24: the press gallery has been around fifteen twenty years at

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Speaker 24: the top of the class. Now you've got a whold

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Speaker 24: of the journeys that don't want Yesterday look like.

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Speaker 23: Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 23: Mayley's Real Estate Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 4: So you know how Google has absolutely dominated search engines

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Speaker 4: for what the best part of twenty years. There's this

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Speaker 4: new company called Perplexity that knows it's a bit of

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Speaker 4: an underdog, but it's using AI to give users a

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Speaker 4: bit of a different experience and it's hoping to take

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Speaker 4: down Google's dominance on the web. Our Textbitt Paul Stenhouse

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Speaker 4: is here with the details this morning. Hey Paul, Hey,

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Speaker 4: good morning.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because Google's won.

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Speaker 15: Because if you want to know anything and you want

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Speaker 15: to do anything on the internet, what do you do?

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Speaker 15: You either open up your Chrome browser, which Google owns,

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Speaker 15: which has something like ninety percent of the market share,

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Speaker 15: which is just astronomical idness, and then it is and

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Speaker 15: if you're using your Safari or whatever else you're using,

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Speaker 15: you probably go to Google dot com because it's always

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Speaker 15: been the best. It's just where everybody starts. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 15: and that's what Perpecity wants to try to change, right.

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Speaker 15: They came into this AI game a little bit differently.

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Speaker 15: They really tried to go first into this browser kind

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Speaker 15: of this browser first mentality of well, if we can

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Speaker 15: be the starting point, then that's where we're going to win.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, and I will say, you know, the open.

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Speaker 15: Ais, the company behind chat GPT, they've started to get

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Speaker 15: into their browser sort of game now as well because

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Speaker 15: they're seeing the same thing and they want to be

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Speaker 15: that utility you go to. But Perplexity has really done

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Speaker 15: it really quickly, and they've just launched their Android app,

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Speaker 15: so it's sort of a browser for Android which is

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Speaker 15: available and then days away will be the iOS app

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Speaker 15: already available on Mac, already available on Windows. So they've

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Speaker 15: really got all of the kind of big bases covered right,

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Speaker 15: and they've done it really quite quickly. They're a little

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Speaker 15: bit different from the other ais as well, and they

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Speaker 15: were one of the early ones to really use real

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Speaker 15: time searching in their AI results. So just to give

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Speaker 15: a little bit of context for that, right, the AI

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Speaker 15: companies go out and they teach it things and they've

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Speaker 15: usually got what.

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Speaker 4: They call a knowledge cutoff.

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Speaker 15: And so what Perplexity did was they combine the knowledge

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Speaker 15: base with real time search results and then brought it

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Speaker 15: all together. And they've been a little bit controversial because

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Speaker 15: they're a little bit maybe let's say, loosey goosey with

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Speaker 15: some of the rules around be right in respecting you know,

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Speaker 15: websites terms of service and things like that. But they

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Speaker 15: have got a pretty good funny that they've got a

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Speaker 15: pretty good service when it comes to things that are

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Speaker 15: happening with news and sports and really timely information. So

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Speaker 15: maybe if you've got an Andrew phone, check it out.

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Speaker 4: Okay, do you know what I've just given a quick

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Speaker 4: crack while you've been talking to us, So I've gone

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Speaker 4: to Google and I said, who is Paul Stenhouse? And

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Speaker 4: Google said, to a member of the Missionaries of the

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Speaker 4: Sacred Heart, he was a scholar, linguist, expert on Samarason studies,

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Speaker 4: writer history in an editor of the longest lasting journal

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Speaker 4: in Australia's history, which I had no idea about Paul.

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Speaker 4: But then I went to Sometimes exactly.

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Speaker 15: It's very interesting Priestley thing.

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Speaker 4: Well, I went to Perplexity and asked the same thing,

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Speaker 4: and it gave me options. So it said, Paul Steenhouse

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Speaker 4: can refer to two notable individuals. One is the knowledgeable Yes,

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Speaker 4: one is the afore mentioned Paul. The other is a

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Speaker 4: contemporary Paul Steinhouse. You know you're contemporary, Paul. How about that?

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Speaker 4: A contemporary Paul House, a New Zealand born media and

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Speaker 4: technology professional based.

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Speaker 3: In New York.

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Speaker 4: There you go, a tech commentator, media host making frequent

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Speaker 4: appearances to discuss technology trends. There you go, Paul, Do

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Speaker 4: you Jack Chane?

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Speaker 8: Look at that Perplexity knows WhatsApp.

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Speaker 4: We sold Perplexity this morning. Hey, I think increasingly many

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Speaker 4: of us are using WhatsApp, probably as our primary messaging

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Speaker 4: service now, but some changes are coming to the WhatsApp service.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, and look owned by Meta.

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Speaker 15: Right, So we've got Facebook, we've got Instagram, we've got WhatsApp,

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Speaker 15: and what are you some kind of seeing is all

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01:07:39,973 --> 01:07:43,133
Speaker 15: of these services are now starting to combine. And so

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Speaker 15: WhatsApp is just launching a feature from Instagram called notes,

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Speaker 15: And so if you're on your WhatsApp, you'll be able

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Speaker 15: to set sort of like a status message that appears

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01:07:52,573 --> 01:07:56,853
Speaker 15: by your stories circles. And so the idea is that

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Speaker 15: you set a status and at lasts generally for twenty

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Speaker 15: four hours, you can kind of change some of the timing.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, you know, you can be like, hey, I'm Jack,

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Speaker 15: I'm in Melbourne, or I'm looking for this thing or

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Speaker 15: whatever it is. It's just interesting that I guess Meta

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Speaker 15: is really trying to bring all these things together. And

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Speaker 15: I did notice recently I use Messenger Facebook Messenger on

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Speaker 15: Mac and they're gonna be winding that down over the

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Speaker 15: next couple of months. And I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 15: that means they're kind of going to standardize. I guess

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Speaker 15: we'll try to push everything in one direction. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 15: but also you say, in New Zealand's especially Latin America, Asia, WhatsApp,

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Speaker 15: especially Europe, WhatsApp is the default.

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Speaker 2: Everyone uses WhatsApp.

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Speaker 26: In the States not so much.

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Speaker 15: The iPhone has such a stranglehold that my message is.

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Speaker 4: Kind of the dominant player.

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Speaker 15: And I think by bringing some of the Instagram features

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Speaker 15: over to WhatsApp is probably part of their play as well,

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Speaker 15: to get WhatsApp feeling maybe a little more familiar to

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Speaker 15: the Instagram folks.

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Speaker 8: Of the US.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, okay, watch the space. Thanks Paul Paul Stenhouse,

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Speaker 4: not to be confused with the missionary author and religious

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Speaker 4: historian Paul Steinhouse, of course, seventeen to Elevenson doctors here

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Speaker 4: in a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 5: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

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Speaker 5: Saturday Morning with Jack, Team News Talk said, be it

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Speaker 5: to let.

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Speaker 4: On you thook dead. B Doctor Brian Betty is our

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Speaker 4: resident doctor. Good morning, Serve, Oh, good morning Jack.

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Speaker 6: Nice to be here, you nice.

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Speaker 4: To be chatting. We're taking a cloger look this morning

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Speaker 4: at younger onset type two diabetes. So let's set off

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Speaker 4: with just a quick reminder. What's the difference between T

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Speaker 4: one and T two?

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Speaker 21: Yes, so look, diabetes affects more than three hundred thousand

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Speaker 21: people in New Zealand. Now the cost of the country

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Speaker 21: is about two point one billion a year and the

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Speaker 21: really interesting figure that'ser point six seven percent of our GDP.

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Speaker 2: So this is a big issue now.

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Speaker 21: It occurs when the pancreas doesn't produce enough inchulin, which

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01:09:52,733 --> 01:09:55,173
Speaker 21: is a thing that controls blood sugars. So type one

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Speaker 21: usually occurs at a younger age and it's where the

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Speaker 21: body turns on itself. Is it what we call an

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Speaker 21: autoimmune reaction, and it shuts down the pancreas and it

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Speaker 21: can't produce inchulin type two, who is more common with age,

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Speaker 21: and essentially the pancreas wears out, it starts to run down,

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Speaker 21: can't produce enough inchland, can't control the sugars, and over

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Speaker 21: time the sugars start to rise. So they're very two,

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Speaker 21: very very different conditions.

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Speaker 4: So what's happening with type two diabetes in New Zealand?

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Speaker 21: So look big big numbers are two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 21: thousand to three hundred thousand. We have type two diabetes

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Speaker 21: previously seen mostly in people over the age of fifty. However,

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Speaker 21: and this is what's happened over the last twenty five

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Speaker 21: years it's increasingly incurring in younger people, even now teenagers

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Speaker 21: and children, and we never ever saw that before. Now

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Speaker 21: this is happening particularly in Maori, Pacifica and Asian young people.

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Speaker 21: And this, as I said, not seen thirty years ago.

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Speaker 21: So this is a really new and very very concerning

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Speaker 21: trend that started to develop over the last couple of decades.

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Speaker 4: Do we know why it's happening?

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Speaker 21: Look, the exact cause is very unclear. Now it's a

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Speaker 21: worldwide phenomenon, especially in indigenous populations, so First Nations people

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Speaker 21: in Canada, First Nations in America, Aboriginals. We've seen this

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Speaker 21: across the world. Now, it's complex, It's more than just lifestyle.

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Speaker 21: It likely involves genetics, maybe a strong family history. We

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Speaker 21: know that mothers who have type two diabetes during pregnancy

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Speaker 21: there's an increased risk with their children, and this perhaps

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Speaker 21: happening earlier as well, and we do know that some

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Speaker 21: lifestyle factors are involved. However, we really do need more

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Speaker 21: research because it's very very poorly understood as to why

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Speaker 21: this is occurring.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's certainly worrying.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Look, look.

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Speaker 21: I think the real concern here is that early onset

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Speaker 21: Type two diabetes has a much more what we for

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Speaker 21: better want of a better word, aggressive course, So those

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Speaker 21: complications such as kidney disease, heart disease, and stroke can

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01:12:02,933 --> 01:12:06,253
Speaker 21: occur at a much earlier age. Now, this is a

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Speaker 21: significant cost of the health system, as I've said, but

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Speaker 21: it's an even greater cost to the patient, to they're fauner,

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Speaker 21: and to communities. So it's something we really really need

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Speaker 21: to start to take note of.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, okay, and there are things that you know

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Speaker 4: we can do. Although we don't understand the specific reasons

1384
01:12:24,493 --> 01:12:26,013
Speaker 4: for the spike, there are things that we can do

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Speaker 4: to try and reduce the instances of T two.

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Speaker 21: Right, Yeah, Look, look, I think it's awareness and education

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Speaker 21: around diabetes is really really important. I mean, I think

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Speaker 21: we do need to provide strong, wrap round support for

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Speaker 21: younger people with diabetes. That's both from a medical sense

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Speaker 21: and a community sense. In terms of what's happening. I

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Speaker 21: think awareness of the symptoms of diabetes is really really important.

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Speaker 21: So so the big four a weight loss, tiredness, frequent

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Speaker 21: going to the toilet, a urination or.

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Speaker 4: Excess of thirst.

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Speaker 21: Those are the ones to watch out for. I mean, certainly,

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Speaker 21: if any of those happen, please see your GP or your.

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Speaker 6: Nurse.

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Speaker 21: And remember, I think it can occur at any age,

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Speaker 21: So we just need to be aware of this now

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Speaker 21: that the shift has occurred, and we just need to

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Speaker 21: be front of mind about this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, fascinating. Thank you so much, Brian. We really

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Speaker 4: appreciate it, and we'll make sure all of those points

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Speaker 4: are up on the website. That's doctor Brian Betty, our

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Speaker 4: resident doctor. After eleven o'clock this morning, we're going to

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Speaker 4: show you this fascinating study that suggests that what you

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Speaker 4: do on your phone can be directly linked to your mood.

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Speaker 4: Now you might say, oh, that's really obvious and be like, well,

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Speaker 4: the more time you spend doom scrolling or something like that,

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Speaker 4: that the worst you might feel. Or the more time

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01:13:45,653 --> 01:13:49,693
Speaker 4: you're seeing you know, really grim images of war and

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Speaker 4: that kind of thing on your phone, then the worst

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01:13:51,493 --> 01:13:53,853
Speaker 4: you might feel. But no, no, that's not. What this

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01:13:53,973 --> 01:13:57,453
Speaker 4: study suggests is that your actual key strokes, so your

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Speaker 4: activity on your phone can give people a sense, or

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Speaker 4: give researchers a sense of the kind of mood you're in.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to explain more after really and o'clock

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01:14:06,773 --> 01:14:09,053
Speaker 4: this morning because the implications from some of this are

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01:14:09,093 --> 01:14:11,373
Speaker 4: absolutely extraordinary. Right now, it's ten to wele eleven. We're

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01:14:11,373 --> 01:14:13,253
Speaker 4: in the garden. Next on news talks, he'd.

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01:14:13,053 --> 01:14:17,613
Speaker 1: Be gardling with still Sharp's battery system kits get a

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Speaker 1: second battery half price.

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Speaker 4: It's eight minutes two eleven. On news talks, he'd be rude.

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01:14:22,053 --> 01:14:24,293
Speaker 4: Climb passes in the garden for us this morning. But

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01:14:24,373 --> 01:14:27,173
Speaker 4: as a prior, proud Canta, I have to start rude

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01:14:27,173 --> 01:14:29,493
Speaker 4: by just double checking you. You've been to Dmitries a

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01:14:29,493 --> 01:14:33,973
Speaker 4: few times, haven't you. I've been too cool Dmitri souvlaki.

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01:14:35,453 --> 01:14:37,133
Speaker 2: No, I have no rude.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry, true clime past. Are you serious a

1430
01:14:42,453 --> 01:14:43,533
Speaker 4: job though?

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01:14:43,693 --> 01:14:45,253
Speaker 10: I'm serious, I haven't.

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Speaker 4: I would have thought you'd be well into that. You're

1433
01:14:47,853 --> 01:14:50,093
Speaker 4: a man who appreciates the finer things in life.

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01:14:50,893 --> 01:14:53,253
Speaker 10: Yeah, I do. That's why I eat the Indonesian food.

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01:14:53,493 --> 01:14:56,173
Speaker 4: Oh you've got it. Look, I don't know what you

1436
01:14:56,213 --> 01:14:58,893
Speaker 4: and Julia are planning for lunch today. I suggest you

1437
01:14:58,933 --> 01:15:00,853
Speaker 4: take your wonderful wife on a little bit of a date.

1438
01:15:00,973 --> 01:15:03,733
Speaker 4: Your head to Riverside Market, you go to Dmitries, you

1439
01:15:03,773 --> 01:15:07,533
Speaker 4: celebrate their fortieth birthday. It's an Institute, Right.

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01:15:08,613 --> 01:15:11,093
Speaker 16: I should I should ask Judie out, that's right. The

1441
01:15:11,133 --> 01:15:14,293
Speaker 16: only problem, Jack is I've spent a week on the

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01:15:14,373 --> 01:15:19,773
Speaker 16: rue of Mahanga River in why Wrapper filming day and.

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01:15:19,933 --> 01:15:22,893
Speaker 11: Night, sixteen hour film filming.

1444
01:15:22,653 --> 01:15:25,973
Speaker 20: Stuff, and I am off to take a po and

1445
01:15:26,173 --> 01:15:28,733
Speaker 20: twice of this coming week doing the same sort of

1446
01:15:28,733 --> 01:15:32,693
Speaker 20: work with teachers and kids and all sorts of So yeah, no,

1447
01:15:33,013 --> 01:15:36,413
Speaker 20: I have to will go all right, I'll say, And.

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Speaker 11: It's going to be Jewish.

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01:15:38,253 --> 01:15:43,533
Speaker 4: Birthday, Well should take her there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's

1450
01:15:43,533 --> 01:15:43,773
Speaker 4: do that.

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01:15:44,013 --> 01:15:44,573
Speaker 2: Fair enough.

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01:15:44,773 --> 01:15:47,573
Speaker 4: Hey, the spiders are having a bit of a moment

1453
01:15:47,573 --> 01:15:49,893
Speaker 4: because it's the same year where they're on the wing, right.

1454
01:15:50,613 --> 01:15:52,493
Speaker 10: They're on the wing, and this is the time when,

1455
01:15:52,773 --> 01:15:55,453
Speaker 10: especially when the baby spiders come out, they start going

1456
01:15:55,493 --> 01:15:58,213
Speaker 10: all over the place, and they have this wonderful way

1457
01:15:58,253 --> 01:16:02,893
Speaker 10: of literally going on the wing by ballooning. If I

1458
01:16:02,933 --> 01:16:05,213
Speaker 10: said ballooning, you to think of a hot air balloon,

1459
01:16:05,293 --> 01:16:06,933
Speaker 10: and it's exactly.

1460
01:16:10,133 --> 01:16:13,773
Speaker 11: The spiders. Of course, the silk and some of the

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01:16:13,813 --> 01:16:15,493
Speaker 11: silk we call ballooning silk.

1462
01:16:15,613 --> 01:16:16,253
Speaker 10: So there you go.

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01:16:17,053 --> 01:16:20,373
Speaker 11: Start off. First, we have this Australian thing called the

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01:16:20,413 --> 01:16:26,453
Speaker 11: golden orb weaving spider, big thing, really big I've put

1465
01:16:26,453 --> 01:16:28,893
Speaker 11: some pictures on there on the website.

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01:16:28,613 --> 01:16:35,293
Speaker 10: And these guys can literally with ballooning silk, go without

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01:16:35,333 --> 01:16:38,573
Speaker 10: stopping from Australia to New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: That's unbelievable. That's amazing.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And every year we'll find some usually on the

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Speaker 10: west coast of New Zealand alive.

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Speaker 11: Making their own their own website.

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Speaker 20: I like that word, their own website, which could be

1475
01:16:55,173 --> 01:16:56,933
Speaker 20: the size of a volleyball net.

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01:16:58,133 --> 01:17:02,693
Speaker 4: Yeah, now, yes, that it's amazing.

1477
01:17:03,013 --> 01:17:05,893
Speaker 10: And these guys. It's also suppets that fly into the net,

1478
01:17:05,973 --> 01:17:08,173
Speaker 10: including very young birds or small birds.

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01:17:08,213 --> 01:17:10,613
Speaker 14: Even they can they can get stuck in there. This

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01:17:10,733 --> 01:17:12,853
Speaker 14: is the sort of stuff. But this is not the

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01:17:12,853 --> 01:17:15,773
Speaker 14: only thing there are at the moment. Because of the

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01:17:15,933 --> 01:17:19,373
Speaker 14: wonderful summer we're having now lots of other spiders that

1483
01:17:19,493 --> 01:17:22,093
Speaker 14: can fly and float and go all over the place.

1484
01:17:22,693 --> 01:17:25,733
Speaker 14: And I'll give you an example, the nursery web spider.

1485
01:17:26,093 --> 01:17:29,253
Speaker 14: It's got six or seven different types of silk makes

1486
01:17:29,293 --> 01:17:32,893
Speaker 14: the nursery webs and the little babies are being released

1487
01:17:32,933 --> 01:17:36,293
Speaker 14: by mum and they fly asay from christ Judge to Auckland,

1488
01:17:36,493 --> 01:17:37,093
Speaker 14: no problem.

1489
01:17:37,413 --> 01:17:40,733
Speaker 13: Wow, yeah, I find that amazing.

1490
01:17:40,933 --> 01:17:43,533
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous, isn't it. There's no problem. I mean they're

1491
01:17:43,533 --> 01:17:47,253
Speaker 4: probably not. They're not necessarily navigating, are they. But they are.

1492
01:17:47,573 --> 01:17:49,653
Speaker 4: They're on the wind. Yeah, that's the point.

1493
01:17:50,333 --> 01:17:53,333
Speaker 10: Yes, And they use that wind actually together along with it,

1494
01:17:53,413 --> 01:17:55,973
Speaker 10: and that's exactly what it's about. And the same with

1495
01:17:56,013 --> 01:17:59,053
Speaker 10: these things like Daddy long legs, same sort of stuff.

1496
01:17:59,053 --> 01:18:02,413
Speaker 10: The way they handle their silk is fabulous. You know,

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01:18:02,733 --> 01:18:06,853
Speaker 10: twenty eggs all tied together with one little strain of

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01:18:07,053 --> 01:18:10,453
Speaker 10: silk and that's how they hang in the corner off

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Speaker 10: your dining room.

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Speaker 4: That's amazing. I thank you so much, Rude, have a

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01:18:14,613 --> 01:18:17,493
Speaker 4: wonderful weekend, and do make sure to take Julia Long

1502
01:18:17,493 --> 01:18:21,093
Speaker 4: to Dmitries when you have a chance. Won't you Rootki

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01:18:21,173 --> 01:18:24,053
Speaker 4: Pass in the garden for us this morning after eleven

1504
01:18:24,093 --> 01:18:27,853
Speaker 4: o'clock our news talks. He'd be our travel correspondent is

1505
01:18:27,893 --> 01:18:32,573
Speaker 4: taking us to the city of Love. We're going to

1506
01:18:32,613 --> 01:18:36,933
Speaker 4: Parris this morning, to Paris after eleven. As well as that,

1507
01:18:37,653 --> 01:18:41,133
Speaker 4: we're gonna share with you the latest from Bill Bryson

1508
01:18:41,253 --> 01:18:43,733
Speaker 4: in our book segment, so it should be good fun.

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01:18:44,213 --> 01:18:47,613
Speaker 4: It's almost news time, almost eleven o'clock. I'm Jack Taine

1510
01:18:47,733 --> 01:18:49,333
Speaker 4: Saturday morning, and this is News Talks.

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01:18:49,333 --> 01:18:49,613
Speaker 7: He'd be.

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01:18:51,973 --> 01:18:55,813
Speaker 5: Saturday morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through

1513
01:18:55,853 --> 01:18:57,173
Speaker 5: the weekend US Talks.

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01:18:57,213 --> 01:19:22,773
Speaker 4: He'd be, Hello, Hello, good morning, welcome to News Books.

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01:19:22,813 --> 01:19:24,573
Speaker 4: He'd be, if you're just turning us on, it is

1516
01:19:24,653 --> 01:19:28,853
Speaker 4: good to have your company. I'm here till midday. Check

1517
01:19:28,933 --> 01:19:33,213
Speaker 4: tams my name Hey. Five years ago, five years ago,

1518
01:19:33,573 --> 01:19:36,173
Speaker 4: our music reviewer Chris Schultz was with us and at

1519
01:19:36,173 --> 01:19:40,653
Speaker 4: the time, in the midst of the kind of COVID madness,

1520
01:19:41,133 --> 01:19:45,253
Speaker 4: he predicted that in the coming years there would be

1521
01:19:45,293 --> 01:19:51,973
Speaker 4: a massive influx of musicians tapping into nostalgic vibes. He

1522
01:19:52,133 --> 01:19:56,093
Speaker 4: thought that heavy metal musicians, big bands would tour the

1523
01:19:56,133 --> 01:19:59,613
Speaker 4: world and tap into the kind of millennial and gen

1524
01:19:59,893 --> 01:20:03,573
Speaker 4: X music lovers who felt like, yeah, they wanted to

1525
01:20:03,613 --> 01:20:05,373
Speaker 4: turn back the hands of time twenty years or so

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01:20:05,493 --> 01:20:07,933
Speaker 4: and celebrate that music turns out. Of course, he was

1527
01:20:08,013 --> 01:20:10,733
Speaker 4: absolutely one hundred percent spot on. Just think about the

1528
01:20:10,853 --> 01:20:13,533
Speaker 4: likes of the shows we've had in the last couple

1529
01:20:13,573 --> 01:20:15,613
Speaker 4: of weeks in this part of the world. We had

1530
01:20:15,653 --> 01:20:18,133
Speaker 4: Metallica this week, fifty five thousand people. They played in

1531
01:20:18,173 --> 01:20:21,133
Speaker 4: front of at Eden Park Oasis. Of course, wrapped up

1532
01:20:21,173 --> 01:20:24,893
Speaker 4: their world tour in Australia. Anyway, Chris Schultz is going

1533
01:20:24,933 --> 01:20:27,693
Speaker 4: to be back with us before midday, reflecting on that

1534
01:20:27,813 --> 01:20:31,613
Speaker 4: nostalgic trend and throwing forward with the bands that he

1535
01:20:31,693 --> 01:20:34,173
Speaker 4: thinks are going to be touring next. As well as that,

1536
01:20:34,293 --> 01:20:37,173
Speaker 4: we've got our book segment for this week, including a

1537
01:20:37,293 --> 01:20:40,973
Speaker 4: Short History of Nearly Everything two by Bill Bryson. I

1538
01:20:41,013 --> 01:20:43,253
Speaker 4: don't know if you've read The Short History of Nearly Everything.

1539
01:20:43,293 --> 01:20:46,013
Speaker 4: It is honestly one of my favorite books. Bill Bryson,

1540
01:20:46,013 --> 01:20:48,853
Speaker 4: of course, friend of the show, an extraordinary, kind of

1541
01:20:49,053 --> 01:20:54,133
Speaker 4: unique author who is able to make seemingly dry subjects

1542
01:20:54,293 --> 01:21:00,693
Speaker 4: incredibly interesting by weaving all sorts of fascinating stories around them.

1543
01:21:00,773 --> 01:21:02,333
Speaker 4: That's really what he did with the Short History of

1544
01:21:02,413 --> 01:21:05,133
Speaker 4: Nearly Everything one. So we'll tell you about the second

1545
01:21:05,293 --> 01:21:08,053
Speaker 4: edition of that book or the sequel if you like,

1546
01:21:08,453 --> 01:21:11,813
Speaker 4: before midday. Right now, it's eight minutes past eleven, Jack

1547
01:21:11,853 --> 01:21:15,013
Speaker 4: Team time to catch up with protocal psychologist Doogle Sutherland,

1548
01:21:15,013 --> 01:21:17,333
Speaker 4: who's with us this morning with a fascinating new study.

1549
01:21:17,333 --> 01:21:19,453
Speaker 4: Good morning, Google Cure.

1550
01:21:19,293 --> 01:21:21,213
Speaker 27: Jack and I think you know, the biggest question on

1551
01:21:21,253 --> 01:21:24,333
Speaker 27: everybody's lips was when when the Smiths are going to

1552
01:21:24,373 --> 01:21:30,933
Speaker 27: be coming, you do You're not going to I know

1553
01:21:30,973 --> 01:21:33,093
Speaker 27: they're not going to reunite any time at all, but

1554
01:21:33,133 --> 01:21:33,933
Speaker 27: you know, that would have been.

1555
01:21:33,933 --> 01:21:36,933
Speaker 6: That'd be a great thing to I mean, that would.

1556
01:21:36,653 --> 01:21:38,973
Speaker 4: Be like a little Morrissey tour would be yeah.

1557
01:21:39,453 --> 01:21:42,693
Speaker 27: Yeah, well yeah, that's not going to happen, but anyway, yes.

1558
01:21:42,813 --> 01:21:46,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, it's yeah, yeah, that would be. That

1559
01:21:46,213 --> 01:21:48,373
Speaker 4: would be a real trick, now, it would be. There's

1560
01:21:48,373 --> 01:21:50,453
Speaker 4: probably My theory is is that there's money in.

1561
01:21:50,493 --> 01:21:53,733
Speaker 6: It, you know, one hundred percent.

1562
01:21:53,813 --> 01:21:55,373
Speaker 27: You know, if you look at the people who you

1563
01:21:55,413 --> 01:21:58,013
Speaker 27: know they're targeting, it's those people who are probably their

1564
01:21:58,053 --> 01:21:59,813
Speaker 27: kids have left home and they've got a little bit

1565
01:21:59,813 --> 01:22:02,413
Speaker 27: of extra spending cash, and oh yeah, we could go

1566
01:22:02,453 --> 01:22:05,053
Speaker 27: to that as opposed to the four old you know,

1567
01:22:05,853 --> 01:22:07,933
Speaker 27: you know many year olds who are struggling and on

1568
01:22:07,933 --> 01:22:09,453
Speaker 27: the doll and don't have any money to spend on

1569
01:22:09,493 --> 01:22:10,133
Speaker 27: concert tickets.

1570
01:22:10,133 --> 01:22:12,173
Speaker 6: So let's tag at the people with lots of money

1571
01:22:12,213 --> 01:22:12,693
Speaker 6: in their pocket.

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01:22:12,853 --> 01:22:15,493
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, I've just done a quick google. Apparently apparently

1573
01:22:15,493 --> 01:22:17,293
Speaker 4: Morrissey is playing in Bogatar.

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01:22:18,093 --> 01:22:22,253
Speaker 6: Really in Colombia. There you go, Okay, look, you know

1575
01:22:22,533 --> 01:22:23,693
Speaker 6: where's a trip I guess.

1576
01:22:24,373 --> 01:22:26,653
Speaker 4: Playing and boitar and then and then following it up

1577
01:22:26,653 --> 01:22:31,773
Speaker 4: with a concert in Greece. So okay, there's wouldn't say never.

1578
01:22:32,173 --> 01:22:34,493
Speaker 27: I mean, it's it's Christmas time and like you know,

1579
01:22:34,573 --> 01:22:38,053
Speaker 27: it's people are looking around for a gift ideas for me, so.

1580
01:22:40,253 --> 01:22:45,573
Speaker 4: Like the budget extends. Yes, hey, it's funny. We're always

1581
01:22:45,613 --> 01:22:49,813
Speaker 4: looking for Yeah, we always hear that our phone usage

1582
01:22:50,173 --> 01:22:52,613
Speaker 4: is you know, we are many of us are on

1583
01:22:52,653 --> 01:22:55,533
Speaker 4: our phones too much, and that often our phone usage

1584
01:22:55,653 --> 01:22:57,413
Speaker 4: can be kind of anti social. It leads to all

1585
01:22:57,413 --> 01:23:00,093
Speaker 4: sorts of negative impacts. But there's a fascinating new study

1586
01:23:00,133 --> 01:23:02,493
Speaker 4: you have for us this week look at ways to

1587
01:23:02,573 --> 01:23:05,293
Speaker 4: try and spot early signs of problems like depression or

1588
01:23:05,333 --> 01:23:07,573
Speaker 4: bipolar and it's linked to your phone.

1589
01:23:08,053 --> 01:23:08,533
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know.

1590
01:23:08,653 --> 01:23:10,813
Speaker 27: And it was when I when I started reading this,

1591
01:23:10,933 --> 01:23:13,213
Speaker 27: I thought, you know, oh god, it'd just be another way,

1592
01:23:13,333 --> 01:23:15,653
Speaker 27: one of those ones that says stop doom scrolling and

1593
01:23:15,693 --> 01:23:17,853
Speaker 27: blah blah blah and get off social media and it

1594
01:23:18,173 --> 01:23:20,933
Speaker 27: and our God, it was I was really fascinated by this.

1595
01:23:21,293 --> 01:23:25,573
Speaker 27: So what they did now before people get excited or worried,

1596
01:23:25,733 --> 01:23:29,413
Speaker 27: perhaps worried, they did have to download a special keyboard

1597
01:23:29,493 --> 01:23:30,733
Speaker 27: for use in this study.

1598
01:23:30,773 --> 01:23:31,653
Speaker 6: So this wasn't.

1599
01:23:31,453 --> 01:23:35,613
Speaker 27: Monitoring your your your phone just by some sort of nefarious.

1600
01:23:35,213 --> 01:23:37,053
Speaker 4: They knew this was happening. It wasn't somebody.

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01:23:37,533 --> 01:23:40,053
Speaker 27: They knew this was no, no, no, and they had

1602
01:23:40,053 --> 01:23:42,653
Speaker 27: a special keyboard to monitor it. But basically what they

1603
01:23:42,733 --> 01:23:46,013
Speaker 27: found was that a number of interesting patterns emerged from

1604
01:23:46,093 --> 01:23:50,133
Speaker 27: looking at people's keystrokes on their on their phone, on

1605
01:23:50,173 --> 01:23:51,973
Speaker 27: their cell phone.

1606
01:23:52,293 --> 01:23:55,053
Speaker 6: So sort of three main things that they found.

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01:23:55,093 --> 01:23:58,053
Speaker 27: Certainly, when people were starting to get depressed, so they

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01:23:58,093 --> 01:24:00,773
Speaker 27: were okay, but then they were those early warning signs

1609
01:24:00,773 --> 01:24:01,533
Speaker 27: starting to come on.

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01:24:01,653 --> 01:24:05,093
Speaker 6: They started to notice much lower.

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01:24:04,373 --> 01:24:08,853
Speaker 27: Accuracy in their spelling, and they're typing speed going up

1612
01:24:08,853 --> 01:24:14,693
Speaker 27: and down, which is probably they think reflective of you know,

1613
01:24:14,773 --> 01:24:17,333
Speaker 27: when you start to get a bit depressed, you're thinking

1614
01:24:17,453 --> 01:24:20,533
Speaker 27: everything kind of slows down a bit, and it's a

1615
01:24:20,533 --> 01:24:22,813
Speaker 27: bit like thinking sort of in mud, and you try,

1616
01:24:22,853 --> 01:24:24,573
Speaker 27: it's always a bit more of a struggle.

1617
01:24:26,053 --> 01:24:28,493
Speaker 28: They found that people tended to use their phone more

1618
01:24:28,733 --> 01:24:31,653
Speaker 28: when they were getting than they were when they're not depressed,

1619
01:24:31,693 --> 01:24:35,293
Speaker 28: which they were thinking might be related to lonely and

1620
01:24:35,453 --> 01:24:38,253
Speaker 28: withdrawing socially and therefore starting to use my.

1621
01:24:38,333 --> 01:24:42,413
Speaker 4: Phone more myself lonelier and withdraw further. Yeah.

1622
01:24:42,493 --> 01:24:45,653
Speaker 27: Yeah, kind of self fulfilling prophecy, right in terms of, yeah,

1623
01:24:45,773 --> 01:24:47,213
Speaker 27: now you spend lots of time on your phone and

1624
01:24:47,213 --> 01:24:49,453
Speaker 27: you don't socialize as much, and then you worry about

1625
01:24:49,493 --> 01:24:51,533
Speaker 27: the fact that nobody's really calling me, or I haven't

1626
01:24:51,533 --> 01:24:53,533
Speaker 27: been out with anybody, so I'll go on my phone more.

1627
01:24:53,613 --> 01:24:55,573
Speaker 6: So that's it's a it's.

1628
01:24:55,453 --> 01:24:59,733
Speaker 27: A tricky, you know, spiral to fall into. I think

1629
01:24:59,773 --> 01:25:01,933
Speaker 27: the most fascinating one that I found, anyway, was that

1630
01:25:01,973 --> 01:25:04,893
Speaker 27: they found that people when they're getting depressed had much

1631
01:25:04,973 --> 01:25:07,853
Speaker 27: higher rates of using them backspace.

1632
01:25:07,333 --> 01:25:09,133
Speaker 6: Key which is like wow.

1633
01:25:10,053 --> 01:25:14,773
Speaker 27: And again it's the idea that you're probably typing more

1634
01:25:15,133 --> 01:25:20,493
Speaker 27: errors when you are or thinking or getting caught up

1635
01:25:20,533 --> 01:25:22,573
Speaker 27: in your own thinking, and so.

1636
01:25:22,453 --> 01:25:24,133
Speaker 6: You're typing something and then oh no, no, that's not

1637
01:25:24,133 --> 01:25:25,653
Speaker 6: writ in backspace, backspace, backspace.

1638
01:25:25,693 --> 01:25:27,773
Speaker 27: And so they found that there was an increased rate

1639
01:25:27,813 --> 01:25:30,973
Speaker 27: of this increased rate of backspacing using your keyboard on

1640
01:25:31,013 --> 01:25:34,133
Speaker 27: your phone predicted whether you're become depressed or not, which

1641
01:25:34,173 --> 01:25:36,373
Speaker 27: was quite a quite a fascinating little finding.

1642
01:25:36,453 --> 01:25:40,413
Speaker 4: I thought, it is really interesting, is what I anticipated

1643
01:25:40,413 --> 01:25:42,813
Speaker 4: you would say, So is it do you think because

1644
01:25:42,853 --> 01:25:45,573
Speaker 4: people are like second guessing themselves.

1645
01:25:46,493 --> 01:25:49,533
Speaker 27: Yeah, second guessing and getting caught up and you start

1646
01:25:49,573 --> 01:25:52,613
Speaker 27: writing something and then go oh no, you know that's

1647
01:25:52,653 --> 01:25:55,613
Speaker 27: not right or and maybe part of it too again,

1648
01:25:55,653 --> 01:25:58,733
Speaker 27: that's sort of slowing down of your thinking skills that you,

1649
01:25:59,893 --> 01:26:00,693
Speaker 27: I know, what.

1650
01:26:00,573 --> 01:26:03,013
Speaker 6: Do I want to say? I can't? Oh no that's

1651
01:26:03,013 --> 01:26:03,253
Speaker 6: not right.

1652
01:26:03,293 --> 01:26:06,173
Speaker 27: Back backpack, back back, and you know, just and self

1653
01:26:06,613 --> 01:26:09,133
Speaker 27: to you know, when you get depressed, doubt yourself and think,

1654
01:26:09,173 --> 01:26:10,653
Speaker 27: oh my god, no that I shouldn't say that.

1655
01:26:10,693 --> 01:26:10,853
Speaker 6: No.

1656
01:26:10,853 --> 01:26:11,093
Speaker 3: No.

1657
01:26:11,173 --> 01:26:14,453
Speaker 27: So so there was just this increased flurry of backspacing,

1658
01:26:15,453 --> 01:26:17,813
Speaker 27: and they found that that was a really great predictor

1659
01:26:17,853 --> 01:26:20,173
Speaker 27: of when people were going to get depressed.

1660
01:26:21,213 --> 01:26:22,453
Speaker 4: So I thought, I thought that.

1661
01:26:22,453 --> 01:26:25,293
Speaker 27: Was such a fascinating you know, just from one literally

1662
01:26:25,333 --> 01:26:27,493
Speaker 27: almost one key on your phone was going to predict

1663
01:26:27,493 --> 01:26:29,613
Speaker 27: your mood. It was sort of like, Wow, that's that

1664
01:26:29,653 --> 01:26:31,733
Speaker 27: could be That could be revolutionary in many ways.

1665
01:26:31,853 --> 01:26:35,573
Speaker 4: Yes, So what do you think are the possible implications

1666
01:26:35,653 --> 01:26:35,933
Speaker 4: from this?

1667
01:26:36,693 --> 01:26:39,893
Speaker 27: Well, look, I think you know, you could conceivably we're

1668
01:26:39,893 --> 01:26:42,533
Speaker 27: beginning to use apps in AI more and more in

1669
01:26:43,533 --> 01:26:46,293
Speaker 27: mental health, and I know it's a debatable area and

1670
01:26:46,733 --> 01:26:47,413
Speaker 27: we need to do it.

1671
01:26:47,373 --> 01:26:48,293
Speaker 6: With lots of caution.

1672
01:26:48,773 --> 01:26:50,853
Speaker 27: But imagine if you could hook this up, you know,

1673
01:26:51,933 --> 01:26:54,413
Speaker 27: and that you've got an alert on your phone saying hey, look,

1674
01:26:54,453 --> 01:26:57,613
Speaker 27: we've noticed in the past couple of days your backspace

1675
01:26:58,173 --> 01:27:01,413
Speaker 27: rate has increased. We're wondering this might be a you know,

1676
01:27:01,653 --> 01:27:04,173
Speaker 27: an early sign of depression. What you know, do you

1677
01:27:04,213 --> 01:27:06,213
Speaker 27: want to do something about it? So just giving people

1678
01:27:06,213 --> 01:27:10,293
Speaker 27: that feedback. If you're working with a psychologist or a counselor,

1679
01:27:10,293 --> 01:27:12,853
Speaker 27: it might be able to send them some info in

1680
01:27:12,893 --> 01:27:16,013
Speaker 27: real time saying, hey, you know, perhaps monitor Google. We've

1681
01:27:16,053 --> 01:27:20,053
Speaker 27: just noticed as backspace rate has increased, that might indicators

1682
01:27:20,133 --> 01:27:21,093
Speaker 27: moods going down.

1683
01:27:21,573 --> 01:27:23,893
Speaker 6: But just really sort of linking in a real kind

1684
01:27:23,893 --> 01:27:28,773
Speaker 6: of early intervention self awareness. And I think it could

1685
01:27:28,813 --> 01:27:30,293
Speaker 6: be potentially quite revolutionary.

1686
01:27:30,413 --> 01:27:34,253
Speaker 4: It's really interesting, isn't that amazing? I suppose in some

1687
01:27:34,293 --> 01:27:37,253
Speaker 4: respects this is a bit of good news about the

1688
01:27:37,253 --> 01:27:43,093
Speaker 4: technology in our lives if you're honest in a productive way.

1689
01:27:44,093 --> 01:27:48,453
Speaker 27: Look, let's remember really that the Internet is just a tool,

1690
01:27:48,573 --> 01:27:50,573
Speaker 27: and we can use the tool for good or for

1691
01:27:51,253 --> 01:27:54,373
Speaker 27: in quotes bad. And I think this is an opportunity

1692
01:27:54,453 --> 01:27:57,053
Speaker 27: to see how we could potentially use it for something

1693
01:27:57,253 --> 01:28:00,053
Speaker 27: for something good, for something helpful, for our mental health

1694
01:28:00,373 --> 01:28:03,053
Speaker 27: rather than it's sort of being always the thing that's

1695
01:28:03,173 --> 01:28:03,813
Speaker 27: causing our.

1696
01:28:03,733 --> 01:28:04,613
Speaker 6: Mental health problems.

1697
01:28:04,613 --> 01:28:06,733
Speaker 27: This is actually the flip side and saying hey, look,

1698
01:28:06,853 --> 01:28:10,533
Speaker 27: if we harness this technology properly, maybe maybe it could

1699
01:28:10,533 --> 01:28:13,253
Speaker 27: be really useful for helping people's.

1700
01:28:12,893 --> 01:28:15,453
Speaker 4: Mental Yeah, yeah, great point. Hey, thank you so much

1701
01:28:15,453 --> 01:28:17,653
Speaker 4: to do wele, you always find these amazing studies. For us,

1702
01:28:17,733 --> 01:28:19,973
Speaker 4: we'd never never come across the table, but for you

1703
01:28:20,013 --> 01:28:21,573
Speaker 4: and we honestly it's so interesting.

1704
01:28:22,053 --> 01:28:24,893
Speaker 27: I spend many many hours jack late at night looking

1705
01:28:24,933 --> 01:28:27,093
Speaker 27: for these studies just so I can come on and

1706
01:28:27,133 --> 01:28:27,853
Speaker 27: tell you, well.

1707
01:28:27,693 --> 01:28:30,253
Speaker 4: I can't imagine they're all this interesting. So the fact

1708
01:28:30,293 --> 01:28:33,613
Speaker 4: that down the really interesting ones and and filter them

1709
01:28:33,613 --> 01:28:35,493
Speaker 4: for us, there's very much appreciated.

1710
01:28:35,573 --> 01:28:38,013
Speaker 27: Yeah, there's a lot of drudgery there that you have

1711
01:28:38,173 --> 01:28:39,093
Speaker 27: to scroll and.

1712
01:28:39,973 --> 01:28:43,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, hey, thank you so much. Have a great weekend,

1713
01:28:44,293 --> 01:28:46,773
Speaker 4: doogle something from Umbrella Well Being. In a couple of minutes,

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01:28:46,893 --> 01:28:49,693
Speaker 4: our travel correspondent is going to be with us on

1715
01:28:49,773 --> 01:28:51,853
Speaker 4: news talking he'd be this week. He is taking us

1716
01:28:52,213 --> 01:28:55,493
Speaker 4: through his favorite bites and sights in Paris.

1717
01:28:56,613 --> 01:29:00,293
Speaker 2: Travel with Wendy Woo Tours where the world is yours.

1718
01:29:00,013 --> 01:29:02,933
Speaker 4: For now Mike Yardley is the man with the toughest

1719
01:29:03,013 --> 01:29:05,093
Speaker 4: job in the business travel corresponding.

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01:29:05,133 --> 01:29:07,693
Speaker 6: Good morning sir, Good morning Jack.

1721
01:29:07,733 --> 01:29:12,413
Speaker 29: I've been drawling over your gushing about Dmitries and christ

1722
01:29:12,493 --> 01:29:13,493
Speaker 29: Church today.

1723
01:29:14,013 --> 01:29:18,253
Speaker 4: Reason surely as I do.

1724
01:29:19,013 --> 01:29:20,693
Speaker 3: Yes, No, I totally agree.

1725
01:29:20,813 --> 01:29:23,653
Speaker 29: The one tip I would give, whether you're a local

1726
01:29:23,813 --> 01:29:26,653
Speaker 29: or visiting christ Church, do not go there and order

1727
01:29:27,293 --> 01:29:30,933
Speaker 29: order on the phone or online because, as Sam said

1728
01:29:30,973 --> 01:29:34,053
Speaker 29: to you, yeah, the cues, the lines at riverside can

1729
01:29:34,093 --> 01:29:34,613
Speaker 29: be crazy.

1730
01:29:34,653 --> 01:29:36,973
Speaker 4: They can be crazy. Yeah, I mean they're crazy for

1731
01:29:37,053 --> 01:29:39,533
Speaker 4: good reason as well. It's not just it's good reason.

1732
01:29:39,613 --> 01:29:41,973
Speaker 4: But that's a very very good tip. Ordering online so

1733
01:29:42,013 --> 01:29:45,253
Speaker 4: you can just turn up and have it two minutes beforehand,

1734
01:29:45,293 --> 01:29:48,853
Speaker 4: have it passed hot? Yes too?

1735
01:29:48,973 --> 01:29:49,133
Speaker 2: Right?

1736
01:29:49,253 --> 01:29:53,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, forty years that's crazy.

1737
01:29:52,253 --> 01:29:53,053
Speaker 3: Isn't that brilliant?

1738
01:29:53,293 --> 01:29:54,693
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing.

1739
01:29:54,853 --> 01:29:54,973
Speaker 3: You know.

1740
01:29:55,013 --> 01:29:58,533
Speaker 4: It just shows, you know, if you've got a winning combination,

1741
01:29:58,893 --> 01:30:01,093
Speaker 4: there's always going to be demanded. As far as I can.

1742
01:30:01,013 --> 01:30:01,893
Speaker 3: Say, it's so true.

1743
01:30:02,053 --> 01:30:06,133
Speaker 4: Anyway, we are casting our attention a little further afield

1744
01:30:06,173 --> 01:30:08,573
Speaker 4: this going to the bi ites and sits in Paris,

1745
01:30:08,733 --> 01:30:13,373
Speaker 4: And is your sense that Paris is falling prey to

1746
01:30:13,533 --> 01:30:14,333
Speaker 4: over tourism.

1747
01:30:15,933 --> 01:30:21,813
Speaker 29: Yes, it is pumping and interestingly, I like New Zealand,

1748
01:30:22,453 --> 01:30:25,373
Speaker 29: Paris didn't really miss a beat post COVID.

1749
01:30:25,413 --> 01:30:27,173
Speaker 3: It just rocketed back.

1750
01:30:27,253 --> 01:30:31,653
Speaker 29: So like they've had over fifty million tourists pouring into

1751
01:30:31,653 --> 01:30:34,853
Speaker 29: the city this year, and a lot of that's probably

1752
01:30:34,933 --> 01:30:37,333
Speaker 29: on the back of the Olympics last year, but for

1753
01:30:37,533 --> 01:30:40,773
Speaker 29: many months of the year, Jack, Paris resembles a hot

1754
01:30:40,813 --> 01:30:44,333
Speaker 29: mess of humanity. I was there a fortnight ago, way

1755
01:30:44,373 --> 01:30:48,213
Speaker 29: outside the peak tourism season. It was still lively, but

1756
01:30:48,493 --> 01:30:51,853
Speaker 29: definitely more manageable. So I reckon if you are planning

1757
01:30:51,893 --> 01:30:56,213
Speaker 29: a fling with Paris, it's now a cool cation destination.

1758
01:30:56,453 --> 01:31:01,293
Speaker 29: You know, go October to March, rug up rave the elements.

1759
01:31:01,573 --> 01:31:03,613
Speaker 29: You will have so much more room to move. But

1760
01:31:03,773 --> 01:31:07,613
Speaker 29: definitely May June, July, August, September, steer clear.

1761
01:31:08,613 --> 01:31:11,333
Speaker 4: Very good tip. So how is the crowd crush at

1762
01:31:11,333 --> 01:31:12,653
Speaker 4: the Notre Dame Cathedral.

1763
01:31:13,653 --> 01:31:16,893
Speaker 29: Yeah, it's interesting because it is rivaling the Eiffel Tower

1764
01:31:16,973 --> 01:31:21,093
Speaker 29: for supreme attraction status on the back of its restoration.

1765
01:31:21,293 --> 01:31:25,173
Speaker 29: So they've had over fifteen million tourists through the masterpiece

1766
01:31:25,213 --> 01:31:28,253
Speaker 29: so far this year to check out how to spend

1767
01:31:28,253 --> 01:31:32,613
Speaker 29: a billion dollars and as has been the case for

1768
01:31:32,653 --> 01:31:35,773
Speaker 29: eight hundred and sixty years. Notret arm is free. It's

1769
01:31:35,853 --> 01:31:37,893
Speaker 29: open to all, so you don't have to buy a ticket.

1770
01:31:38,773 --> 01:31:42,333
Speaker 29: But it's once again it's dodging the crowds as the issue.

1771
01:31:42,413 --> 01:31:45,733
Speaker 29: So my tip would be head there at the very

1772
01:31:45,773 --> 01:31:49,733
Speaker 29: start of day, go to the eight o'clock morning mess

1773
01:31:50,173 --> 01:31:51,813
Speaker 29: and you will be straight in.

1774
01:31:52,253 --> 01:31:55,493
Speaker 3: So it's only a thirty minute service. The mess an

1775
01:31:55,533 --> 01:31:57,413
Speaker 3: express service, but it's.

1776
01:31:57,253 --> 01:32:01,053
Speaker 29: Such a really good way to savor the building in

1777
01:32:01,133 --> 01:32:05,173
Speaker 29: the morning, crowd free, calm, it's just so much more rewarding.

1778
01:32:05,733 --> 01:32:08,613
Speaker 4: And now that they're restoration has been completed, just how

1779
01:32:08,653 --> 01:32:09,773
Speaker 4: impressive does it look?

1780
01:32:10,973 --> 01:32:14,053
Speaker 29: It is astonishing, Jack I Reckon, it's like time travel

1781
01:32:14,173 --> 01:32:17,613
Speaker 29: because I remember I was there probably seven eight years ago,

1782
01:32:17,773 --> 01:32:23,493
Speaker 29: and the interior was black. Now it is so pure

1783
01:32:23,653 --> 01:32:28,253
Speaker 29: and creamy. Eight hundred years of grime and soot from

1784
01:32:28,293 --> 01:32:31,453
Speaker 29: burning candles has been removed, so you just see this

1785
01:32:31,653 --> 01:32:33,533
Speaker 29: buttery hue of limestone.

1786
01:32:33,573 --> 01:32:35,333
Speaker 3: It's absolutely astonishing.

1787
01:32:35,613 --> 01:32:37,933
Speaker 29: The other thing that blew me away just all of

1788
01:32:37,973 --> 01:32:43,373
Speaker 29: the specialist craftsmanship, like the two thousand oak trees that

1789
01:32:43,453 --> 01:32:49,093
Speaker 29: were cut across France and then hand cut into beams

1790
01:32:49,173 --> 01:32:54,693
Speaker 29: and trusses using medieval tools. They apparently mined a thousand

1791
01:32:54,853 --> 01:32:59,533
Speaker 29: cubic meters of limestone that was then chiseled into all

1792
01:32:59,573 --> 01:33:02,133
Speaker 29: of the leaping arches and the grinning gargoyle as you

1793
01:33:02,133 --> 01:33:05,213
Speaker 29: can see now. So yeah, it's like a temple to

1794
01:33:05,413 --> 01:33:08,773
Speaker 29: traditional craft. You just walk around with your with your

1795
01:33:08,813 --> 01:33:11,733
Speaker 29: mouth wide open as a Yeah.

1796
01:33:12,053 --> 01:33:16,133
Speaker 4: Speaking of if you're looking for some signature eat in Paris,

1797
01:33:16,173 --> 01:33:18,373
Speaker 4: what would be the key to a great crop? Monsieur?

1798
01:33:20,413 --> 01:33:23,493
Speaker 29: The ultimate comfort thod. It's like the dimitries of Paris,

1799
01:33:23,573 --> 01:33:24,013
Speaker 29: isn't it?

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01:33:25,453 --> 01:33:25,533
Speaker 3: So?

1801
01:33:25,693 --> 01:33:28,333
Speaker 29: Yes, along with your smoked ham and your Dijon mustard.

1802
01:33:28,893 --> 01:33:34,933
Speaker 29: The essential element as molten gree year cheese. It's gotta

1803
01:33:35,013 --> 01:33:39,733
Speaker 29: be the gree year because it melts smoothly and evenly,

1804
01:33:39,773 --> 01:33:43,813
Speaker 29: and that delivers that gooey and stretchy consistency.

1805
01:33:43,933 --> 01:33:45,213
Speaker 3: So that is the kicker.

1806
01:33:45,533 --> 01:33:47,653
Speaker 29: I noticed, by the way that a lot of people

1807
01:33:47,693 --> 01:33:52,693
Speaker 29: in Paris are having kroc madan, which is equally as popular.

1808
01:33:52,853 --> 01:33:57,253
Speaker 29: The added extra is a fried egg crowning your croc.

1809
01:33:57,373 --> 01:34:01,093
Speaker 29: So it's actually a really good breakfast option, a krock madant.

1810
01:34:01,333 --> 01:34:04,853
Speaker 4: Yeah. What about sweet treats? Any standouts for you?

1811
01:34:06,013 --> 01:34:06,213
Speaker 30: Yeah?

1812
01:34:06,493 --> 01:34:10,613
Speaker 29: I went to a place called Bistro Marbouf, which is

1813
01:34:10,733 --> 01:34:13,693
Speaker 29: just off the Champsalise for French crapes, and they've been

1814
01:34:13,733 --> 01:34:18,093
Speaker 29: pumping out crapes at Bistro Marbouf for centuries and it's

1815
01:34:18,133 --> 01:34:21,933
Speaker 29: this lovely, elegant wood panel to bistro. So there were

1816
01:34:21,973 --> 01:34:25,053
Speaker 29: a lot of locals in there chomping down on crapes

1817
01:34:25,333 --> 01:34:27,813
Speaker 29: mid morning, sort of like a mid morning picked me up.

1818
01:34:28,253 --> 01:34:32,733
Speaker 29: And apparently the biggest cellar in Paris are banana and

1819
01:34:32,893 --> 01:34:36,493
Speaker 29: chocolate topped crapes, but I still reckon butter and sugar

1820
01:34:36,493 --> 01:34:38,773
Speaker 29: topped crapes is the way to go. And by the way,

1821
01:34:38,853 --> 01:34:44,293
Speaker 29: just around the corner from Bistro Marbouf, PARTISERI Perfection, lauder

1822
01:34:44,373 --> 01:34:48,053
Speaker 29: Ray's flagship venue on the Champsalise. Oh my god, what

1823
01:34:48,173 --> 01:34:51,453
Speaker 29: a calorific cannibal of color this place is and just

1824
01:34:52,013 --> 01:34:56,573
Speaker 29: food art galore. So if you're a fan of makaron's,

1825
01:34:56,693 --> 01:35:00,133
Speaker 29: I'm not I find them ployingly sweet personally, But if

1826
01:35:00,133 --> 01:35:03,773
Speaker 29: you are a fan, definitely go to Larderer and Something Extra.

1827
01:35:04,293 --> 01:35:06,213
Speaker 3: The pastry workshops there are.

1828
01:35:06,453 --> 01:35:09,773
Speaker 29: Really popular, so you can, you know, make a macharon

1829
01:35:09,893 --> 01:35:11,133
Speaker 29: like an executive chef.

1830
01:35:11,173 --> 01:35:13,053
Speaker 3: But you do need to book well in advance.

1831
01:35:13,133 --> 01:35:16,293
Speaker 4: Okay, cool. So what are your favorite districts in Paris.

1832
01:35:17,293 --> 01:35:21,093
Speaker 29: Yeah, it's a big, sprawling city to stroll, so you've

1833
01:35:21,133 --> 01:35:23,093
Speaker 29: got to do it in sort of bite sized bits.

1834
01:35:23,133 --> 01:35:26,333
Speaker 29: I reckon, But the three Pockets I really adore strolling

1835
01:35:26,373 --> 01:35:30,853
Speaker 29: through the Opera district, which includes that sublime department store

1836
01:35:30,893 --> 01:35:33,693
Speaker 29: Gallery Lafayette, and then you can see all of those

1837
01:35:33,733 --> 01:35:39,053
Speaker 29: incredible boulevards designed by Houseman. I also really love Saint

1838
01:35:39,093 --> 01:35:44,133
Speaker 29: Germain de Prey because it's just cafe hopping heaven, all

1839
01:35:44,293 --> 01:35:48,773
Speaker 29: very leafy, lots of sheep boutiques. It's just quintessential powers

1840
01:35:48,853 --> 01:35:53,053
Speaker 29: I reckon. But for the most distinctively different slice of Paris.

1841
01:35:53,173 --> 01:35:56,573
Speaker 29: I know it's very terristy, but it is a rock star.

1842
01:35:56,813 --> 01:36:00,573
Speaker 29: Mon Mart with all those slinky lanes, the hilltop perch,

1843
01:36:00,693 --> 01:36:04,653
Speaker 29: the at Moss and Renoi lived that's worth the walk

1844
01:36:04,733 --> 01:36:05,253
Speaker 29: up the hill.

1845
01:36:05,453 --> 01:36:05,613
Speaker 3: Ah.

1846
01:36:05,773 --> 01:36:08,653
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so good. Where they had the Tour

1847
01:36:08,653 --> 01:36:10,613
Speaker 4: de France this year, they raced up mo Mart and

1848
01:36:10,813 --> 01:36:13,693
Speaker 4: was just like, ah it was yeah in the final

1849
01:36:13,933 --> 01:36:16,413
Speaker 4: leg of the tour is so good. What would you

1850
01:36:16,493 --> 01:36:18,493
Speaker 4: eat if you're stopping off the mo Mart? Where would

1851
01:36:18,493 --> 01:36:18,693
Speaker 4: you go?

1852
01:36:19,653 --> 01:36:19,853
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1853
01:36:19,933 --> 01:36:22,693
Speaker 29: I had lunch at a place called Lamir Catherine, which

1854
01:36:22,733 --> 01:36:26,373
Speaker 29: is right on the main square in Montmarte. These guys,

1855
01:36:26,813 --> 01:36:29,613
Speaker 29: and interestingly it won't blow your budget this place. But

1856
01:36:29,653 --> 01:36:33,493
Speaker 29: these guys opened in the same year that Marie Antoinette

1857
01:36:33,533 --> 01:36:38,053
Speaker 29: was guillotined seventeen ninety three. So I pondered that Jack

1858
01:36:38,133 --> 01:36:43,173
Speaker 29: as I dismembered a plate of burgundy snails, huge shells,

1859
01:36:43,613 --> 01:36:48,693
Speaker 29: massive shells, really small snails. So it's the first time

1860
01:36:48,773 --> 01:36:54,973
Speaker 29: I have sampled gestropods. They tasted like squishy slivers of

1861
01:36:55,173 --> 01:36:58,933
Speaker 29: fungi to me, so I'm not sold on them. But

1862
01:36:59,013 --> 01:37:01,693
Speaker 29: they had a very sweet and happy ending. At Lamir Catherine.

1863
01:37:01,773 --> 01:37:05,253
Speaker 29: I had the fudge chocolate cake with custard cream. Oh

1864
01:37:05,293 --> 01:37:07,933
Speaker 29: my god, go there, wall cup the hill for that

1865
01:37:08,053 --> 01:37:09,933
Speaker 29: fudge chocolate cake and custard cream.

1866
01:37:10,013 --> 01:37:12,573
Speaker 4: So here is, in the space of two minutes, you've

1867
01:37:12,573 --> 01:37:14,813
Speaker 4: told us that macaroons are too sweet for your taste,

1868
01:37:14,853 --> 01:37:18,413
Speaker 4: but you're recommending the fudge chocolate cake with custard cream, right,

1869
01:37:18,533 --> 01:37:19,053
Speaker 4: I see.

1870
01:37:18,933 --> 01:37:21,053
Speaker 3: Yes, I know there is a contradiction there.

1871
01:37:21,413 --> 01:37:24,413
Speaker 4: That's all right, that's all right, no criticism from this end. Hey,

1872
01:37:24,733 --> 01:37:27,493
Speaker 4: that sounds amazing. Things sounds wonderful. So we'll make sure

1873
01:37:27,533 --> 01:37:29,773
Speaker 4: all of your top bites and sites in Paris are

1874
01:37:29,853 --> 01:37:32,093
Speaker 4: up on the website and catch you again very soon,

1875
01:37:32,253 --> 01:37:36,253
Speaker 4: Mike Hardley, our travel correspondent. Before midday, our music reviewer

1876
01:37:36,293 --> 01:37:39,093
Speaker 4: is in with his picks on what the next big

1877
01:37:39,213 --> 01:37:42,173
Speaker 4: bands to go on global tours might be, especially as

1878
01:37:42,213 --> 01:37:46,333
Speaker 4: they tap into the kind of nostalgia trend for millennials

1879
01:37:46,373 --> 01:37:48,493
Speaker 4: and Gen x's at the moment. And as well as that,

1880
01:37:48,493 --> 01:37:50,933
Speaker 4: we've got your book picks for this week, including Nash

1881
01:37:50,933 --> 01:37:53,493
Speaker 4: Falls from David Baldaci, friend of the show, who was

1882
01:37:53,533 --> 01:37:56,693
Speaker 4: on as our feature interviewed this time last week. It

1883
01:37:56,693 --> 01:37:59,013
Speaker 4: has just gone twenty eight minutes past eleven.

1884
01:38:03,013 --> 01:38:06,893
Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with a team

1885
01:38:07,373 --> 01:38:08,933
Speaker 1: on News TALKSB.

1886
01:38:08,693 --> 01:38:11,853
Speaker 4: Wenty nine minutes to twelve on News Talk ZB, which

1887
01:38:11,853 --> 01:38:13,813
Speaker 4: means we are four hours from the first ball of

1888
01:38:13,853 --> 01:38:16,093
Speaker 4: Day two of the Ashes. If you're a Test cricket fan,

1889
01:38:17,293 --> 01:38:19,733
Speaker 4: if you're a Test cricket tragic like me, you will

1890
01:38:19,773 --> 01:38:23,253
Speaker 4: have been absolutely froth and counting down the days to

1891
01:38:23,333 --> 01:38:25,573
Speaker 4: the start of the twenty twenty five twenty six Ashes,

1892
01:38:25,573 --> 01:38:28,053
Speaker 4: and my goodness, Day one did not disappoint. This afternoon

1893
01:38:28,093 --> 01:38:31,493
Speaker 4: on Weekend Sport once Jason Pine takes over the mic.

1894
01:38:31,773 --> 01:38:34,573
Speaker 4: He is going to have English cricket legends Thary in

1895
01:38:34,653 --> 01:38:37,333
Speaker 4: both them on the show Pneies with indeed, how good?

1896
01:38:37,653 --> 01:38:39,733
Speaker 4: How good? Jackie? You know, I'm like you.

1897
01:38:39,893 --> 01:38:43,853
Speaker 25: I'm absolutely I'm just a I love my Test cricket

1898
01:38:43,893 --> 01:38:46,173
Speaker 25: and I love the Ashes. And look, it was a

1899
01:38:46,293 --> 01:38:49,893
Speaker 25: chaotic opening day, wasn't it. Nineteen wickets? I mean we're

1900
01:38:49,933 --> 01:38:52,453
Speaker 25: basically halfway through the Test match after just one day.

1901
01:38:53,253 --> 01:38:56,013
Speaker 25: Most on the first day of the Ashes Test wickets

1902
01:38:56,013 --> 01:38:58,773
Speaker 25: that has since nineteen oh nine, so you know that's

1903
01:38:59,133 --> 01:39:01,133
Speaker 25: that's a long time ago. Yes, sir Ian, both of

1904
01:39:01,133 --> 01:39:02,893
Speaker 25: them all, Lord, both of them as he is now

1905
01:39:02,893 --> 01:39:05,453
Speaker 25: he's been appointed by the Prime Minister into the House

1906
01:39:05,453 --> 01:39:05,893
Speaker 25: of Lords.

1907
01:39:06,053 --> 01:39:07,293
Speaker 4: Is going to join us from Perth.

1908
01:39:07,373 --> 01:39:10,613
Speaker 25: I mean, what a player and what an analyst of

1909
01:39:10,613 --> 01:39:12,293
Speaker 25: the game, and what a name to be chatting to.

1910
01:39:12,453 --> 01:39:15,053
Speaker 25: So yeah, Lord, both of them with us after two

1911
01:39:15,133 --> 01:39:16,053
Speaker 25: o'clock this afternoon.

1912
01:39:16,093 --> 01:39:17,933
Speaker 4: Looking forward to as a cricket fan, how do you

1913
01:39:17,973 --> 01:39:21,373
Speaker 4: feel this games placed? If you were going to get

1914
01:39:21,413 --> 01:39:23,733
Speaker 4: a result either way? Can you can you pick in

1915
01:39:23,773 --> 01:39:24,453
Speaker 4: any which way?

1916
01:39:24,813 --> 01:39:24,973
Speaker 8: No?

1917
01:39:25,173 --> 01:39:28,493
Speaker 25: I can't because neither team seems capable of applying themselves

1918
01:39:28,573 --> 01:39:33,013
Speaker 25: at the crease. It's as though batting is something that

1919
01:39:33,093 --> 01:39:36,093
Speaker 25: has eluded them, or the ability to bat long periods now,

1920
01:39:36,093 --> 01:39:38,053
Speaker 25: and who knows whether that's a white ball thing or not.

1921
01:39:38,133 --> 01:39:39,733
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. But what's the lead.

1922
01:39:39,773 --> 01:39:42,573
Speaker 25: England have forty nine ossie and nine down. So let's

1923
01:39:42,573 --> 01:39:44,733
Speaker 25: say that they scrape together a few more runs, it's

1924
01:39:44,733 --> 01:39:46,413
Speaker 25: still going to be the best part of forty runs behind.

1925
01:39:47,333 --> 01:39:50,773
Speaker 25: If England can apply themselves and build a lead, then

1926
01:39:50,813 --> 01:39:52,573
Speaker 25: you'd have to think they'd be favorite. But the way

1927
01:39:52,613 --> 01:39:56,253
Speaker 25: Mitchell Stark bold yesterday seven for fifty eight and looked

1928
01:39:56,333 --> 01:39:59,653
Speaker 25: capable of wicket taking deliveries, deliveries pretty much every time

1929
01:39:59,693 --> 01:40:03,173
Speaker 25: you bold look at the England could find themselves all

1930
01:40:03,173 --> 01:40:06,053
Speaker 25: out again today. That's the crazy thing about this Test match.

1931
01:40:06,373 --> 01:40:08,813
Speaker 25: You know we might get we might have a result today.

1932
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Speaker 25: We might and I hope we don't because yeah, that

1933
01:40:11,493 --> 01:40:14,573
Speaker 25: would be I mean I doubt it would because because

1934
01:40:14,613 --> 01:40:17,293
Speaker 25: I know there are people who probably have Day three tickets.

1935
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Speaker 4: Who would like to think that it would go into

1936
01:40:19,093 --> 01:40:19,693
Speaker 4: a third day.

1937
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

1938
01:40:20,493 --> 01:40:23,773
Speaker 25: So look, I'm like you, Jack, I just love the

1939
01:40:24,173 --> 01:40:26,133
Speaker 25: ashes and the coverage of it and everything that goes

1940
01:40:26,133 --> 01:40:28,213
Speaker 25: with it, the history, It'll be one hundred and fifty

1941
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Speaker 25: years in a couple of years since they first played

1942
01:40:29,853 --> 01:40:33,093
Speaker 25: in eighteen seventy seven, so that's how far back it goes.

1943
01:40:33,133 --> 01:40:35,173
Speaker 25: So yeah, looking forward to that this afternoon, in particular

1944
01:40:35,293 --> 01:40:37,173
Speaker 25: chatting to Lord both of them after two.

1945
01:40:37,133 --> 01:40:39,333
Speaker 4: And sticking with cricket, you have got a bit of

1946
01:40:39,333 --> 01:40:41,653
Speaker 4: an exclusive when it comes to the T twenty setup.

1947
01:40:41,973 --> 01:40:44,693
Speaker 25: Yeah, the end ZED twenty has been talked about a lot,

1948
01:40:44,733 --> 01:40:47,933
Speaker 25: This new proposal for a domestic T twenty competition to

1949
01:40:47,973 --> 01:40:50,533
Speaker 25: replace our super smash. Up until now, we haven't heard

1950
01:40:50,533 --> 01:40:53,853
Speaker 25: from anybody involved with n ZED twenty. But after midday

1951
01:40:54,293 --> 01:40:57,653
Speaker 25: Don McKinnon, one of our foremost sporting administrators, who is

1952
01:40:57,693 --> 01:41:00,933
Speaker 25: the chair of the Establishment Committee, is going to come.

1953
01:41:00,813 --> 01:41:01,373
Speaker 4: On and join us.

1954
01:41:01,373 --> 01:41:04,693
Speaker 25: Tell us who's involved, what is the plan for it,

1955
01:41:04,933 --> 01:41:08,613
Speaker 25: how will it go alongside or replacing our super smash,

1956
01:41:08,733 --> 01:41:11,893
Speaker 25: how will it best prepare our top players for international

1957
01:41:11,973 --> 01:41:14,573
Speaker 25: Tea twenty cricket, and how will they compete with the

1958
01:41:14,613 --> 01:41:16,173
Speaker 25: other T twenty leagues that are going on at the

1959
01:41:16,213 --> 01:41:19,413
Speaker 25: same time for the best international players. So you're really

1960
01:41:19,493 --> 01:41:21,653
Speaker 25: looking forward to Don McKinnon answering a few questions for

1961
01:41:21,733 --> 01:41:22,733
Speaker 25: us after midday.

1962
01:41:22,533 --> 01:41:25,893
Speaker 4: Nice and of course tomorrow morning ten pus four, I

1963
01:41:25,893 --> 01:41:28,853
Speaker 4: think kickoffers in Cardiff ten pus four in New Zealand.

1964
01:41:28,853 --> 01:41:31,733
Speaker 4: Time the All Backs Wales Final Test of twenty twenty five.

1965
01:41:31,773 --> 01:41:33,773
Speaker 4: How are you feeling well? I feel as though they'll

1966
01:41:33,773 --> 01:41:35,893
Speaker 4: win the Test. I'm not sure how many questions that

1967
01:41:35,933 --> 01:41:38,853
Speaker 4: will answer, because you know, after last week, I think

1968
01:41:38,893 --> 01:41:41,733
Speaker 4: there are a lot of unanswered questions and with wholesale changes,

1969
01:41:41,973 --> 01:41:44,333
Speaker 4: it's not as though it's the same team being rolled

1970
01:41:44,333 --> 01:41:46,733
Speaker 4: out again. Look, Wales have been fairly average recently. I

1971
01:41:46,773 --> 01:41:47,613
Speaker 4: think will win the Test.

1972
01:41:48,173 --> 01:41:50,093
Speaker 25: I'd like to see some of the guys who haven't

1973
01:41:50,093 --> 01:41:52,653
Speaker 25: had a lot of opportunity this year get some good

1974
01:41:52,693 --> 01:41:55,173
Speaker 25: game time, the likes of a Rubin Love for example.

1975
01:41:55,173 --> 01:41:56,973
Speaker 25: I think hees bided at his time and gets a

1976
01:41:57,013 --> 01:42:00,613
Speaker 25: second test start. Others in there as well. Yeah, I

1977
01:42:00,653 --> 01:42:03,133
Speaker 25: think probably once this game has done and dusted, then

1978
01:42:03,133 --> 01:42:05,973
Speaker 25: we can have a proper review of the year, which

1979
01:42:06,493 --> 01:42:09,013
Speaker 25: might do tomorrow on the show, perhaps Jack, after that's

1980
01:42:09,013 --> 01:42:09,693
Speaker 25: all done and dusted.

1981
01:42:09,773 --> 01:42:11,213
Speaker 4: Yeah, very good, All right, I have a great show

1982
01:42:11,253 --> 01:42:13,213
Speaker 4: this afternoon, looking forward to it. Three and both of

1983
01:42:13,213 --> 01:42:14,733
Speaker 4: them on the show, Lord, both of them on the

1984
01:42:14,733 --> 01:42:17,413
Speaker 4: show counting down to the First Fall, the second day

1985
01:42:17,613 --> 01:42:20,733
Speaker 4: of the First Ashes Test. Jason Pine will be with you,

1986
01:42:20,813 --> 01:42:24,173
Speaker 4: of course after midday. Before midday, we've got your book

1987
01:42:24,173 --> 01:42:26,893
Speaker 4: picks for this week, and we're turning back the hands

1988
01:42:26,893 --> 01:42:29,253
Speaker 4: of time and then trying to cast forward, working out

1989
01:42:29,293 --> 01:42:33,493
Speaker 4: which Nostalgic Acts might be the next big bands to tour.

1990
01:42:35,013 --> 01:42:39,253
Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

1991
01:42:39,533 --> 01:42:40,933
Speaker 1: powered by News Talks EDB.

1992
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Speaker 4: Twenty two to twelve on news Talks 'DB. We had

1993
01:42:44,253 --> 01:42:47,293
Speaker 4: a cracking interview with best selling author David bald Archie

1994
01:42:47,333 --> 01:42:50,533
Speaker 4: last week talking about his new book, Nash Falls, and

1995
01:42:50,573 --> 01:42:53,533
Speaker 4: our book reviewer Katherine Rains has got her hands on

1996
01:42:53,573 --> 01:42:57,093
Speaker 4: a copy. She's with us this morning. Good morning, good morning. Yeah,

1997
01:42:57,133 --> 01:42:59,173
Speaker 4: what did you think of Nash Falls? Tell us about it?

1998
01:43:00,013 --> 01:43:03,053
Speaker 31: So it talks all about the sky called Walda Nash.

1999
01:43:03,093 --> 01:43:05,533
Speaker 31: He's a real mild man of man, and he has

2000
01:43:05,653 --> 01:43:09,773
Speaker 31: this highly executive role at a place called Symbaric Investments,

2001
01:43:10,173 --> 01:43:12,213
Speaker 31: and he's really unaccustomed to violence. That's not part of

2002
01:43:12,253 --> 01:43:14,693
Speaker 31: his life. He's really living a comfortable life with his

2003
01:43:14,773 --> 01:43:17,893
Speaker 31: great job, his family, his wealthy life is good. He's

2004
01:43:17,893 --> 01:43:20,293
Speaker 31: got a lovely wife and daughter and he seems to

2005
01:43:20,293 --> 01:43:22,733
Speaker 31: be this very conscientious and caring man, and he works

2006
01:43:22,773 --> 01:43:24,933
Speaker 31: long hours and he travels a lot, and family is

2007
01:43:25,053 --> 01:43:28,213
Speaker 31: really important to him. But of course this is David Baldocchi,

2008
01:43:28,213 --> 01:43:30,773
Speaker 31: and i've also things are about to change. And first,

2009
01:43:30,813 --> 01:43:34,373
Speaker 31: his estrange father dies and this brings this massive flood

2010
01:43:34,413 --> 01:43:37,293
Speaker 31: of emotions and feelings about their relationship and the great

2011
01:43:37,373 --> 01:43:39,453
Speaker 31: for time and the fact that they didn't make up

2012
01:43:39,493 --> 01:43:42,813
Speaker 31: with their relationship. But then after the funeral, he's approached

2013
01:43:42,813 --> 01:43:45,133
Speaker 31: by the FBI who want him to work with him

2014
01:43:45,133 --> 01:43:48,253
Speaker 31: to bring down his employer, and he finds himself as

2015
01:43:48,333 --> 01:43:50,973
Speaker 31: part of this COVID investigation into the workings of his

2016
01:43:51,093 --> 01:43:54,373
Speaker 31: company and the divisions, and everything in his normal world

2017
01:43:54,413 --> 01:43:57,253
Speaker 31: starts to be really out of control, particularly when the

2018
01:43:57,253 --> 01:44:00,373
Speaker 31: person at the center of the scheme, it is investment company,

2019
01:44:00,813 --> 01:44:04,093
Speaker 31: is somehow informed of the leak and the undercover working

2020
01:44:04,093 --> 01:44:06,893
Speaker 31: with the FBI, and so what began kind of a

2021
01:44:06,933 --> 01:44:10,253
Speaker 31: simple surveillance in helping out the FBI turns into survival

2022
01:44:10,293 --> 01:44:14,813
Speaker 31: mode and things happen in his personal life and it's devastating,

2023
01:44:14,933 --> 01:44:18,493
Speaker 31: and then things are revealed about him online, and life

2024
01:44:18,613 --> 01:44:21,133
Speaker 31: as he knew it just disappears. And he has to

2025
01:44:21,173 --> 01:44:22,933
Speaker 31: do things and train to do things that he had

2026
01:44:23,013 --> 01:44:26,613
Speaker 31: never considered before. And it's a really character driven novel.

2027
01:44:26,653 --> 01:44:30,453
Speaker 31: You see Nash struggling with his conscience and about revenge

2028
01:44:30,493 --> 01:44:33,853
Speaker 31: and violence and that personal identity of his and the

2029
01:44:33,853 --> 01:44:37,013
Speaker 31: book's full of suspense and intrigue that actually is so

2030
01:44:37,133 --> 01:44:40,533
Speaker 31: good at and that initial mystery that unravels into this

2031
01:44:40,653 --> 01:44:44,253
Speaker 31: complex web of betrayals and grudges and conspiracies that happen

2032
01:44:44,333 --> 01:44:46,813
Speaker 31: at the highest level of powers. But Out is a

2033
01:44:46,893 --> 01:44:49,333
Speaker 31: real expert in leading you with clues and reveals and

2034
01:44:49,333 --> 01:44:51,413
Speaker 31: of course the odd red hearing, and just when you

2035
01:44:51,413 --> 01:44:54,413
Speaker 31: think you've got it all figured out, something else happens

2036
01:44:54,493 --> 01:44:57,653
Speaker 31: that changes the direction of the story and he keeps

2037
01:44:57,653 --> 01:44:58,653
Speaker 31: you hooked, that's for sure.

2038
01:44:58,733 --> 01:45:01,093
Speaker 4: Oh so good, Okay, cool. So that's Nash Falls by

2039
01:45:01,173 --> 01:45:04,973
Speaker 4: David Baldaji. Next up, A Short History of Nearly Everything

2040
01:45:05,093 --> 01:45:07,613
Speaker 4: two point zero by Bill Bryce and another friend of

2041
01:45:07,653 --> 01:45:08,093
Speaker 4: the show.

2042
01:45:08,933 --> 01:45:11,813
Speaker 31: Yes, and he's a best selling American British author, and

2043
01:45:11,853 --> 01:45:15,013
Speaker 31: he's known for his really accessible nonfiction books and he's

2044
01:45:15,013 --> 01:45:18,693
Speaker 31: written about everything about travel, science, and language. He I

2045
01:45:18,733 --> 01:45:20,733
Speaker 31: think in nineteen ninety five he wrote Notes from a

2046
01:45:20,733 --> 01:45:23,733
Speaker 31: Small Island which was all about Britain and the people,

2047
01:45:24,293 --> 01:45:25,293
Speaker 31: and that really.

2048
01:45:25,173 --> 01:45:25,933
Speaker 8: Raised his profile.

2049
01:45:26,013 --> 01:45:28,173
Speaker 31: And then twenty years ago now he wrote The Short

2050
01:45:28,213 --> 01:45:32,013
Speaker 31: History of Nearly Everything, and he decided actually that it

2051
01:45:32,093 --> 01:45:34,693
Speaker 31: was really due for an update.

2052
01:45:34,773 --> 01:45:35,013
Speaker 3: You know.

2053
01:45:35,173 --> 01:45:37,733
Speaker 31: He sees himself that the whole problem with the book

2054
01:45:37,773 --> 01:45:40,613
Speaker 31: is it's about science and trying to understand science and

2055
01:45:40,653 --> 01:45:43,613
Speaker 31: everything that's happened since the Big Bang and civilization was

2056
01:45:43,653 --> 01:45:46,293
Speaker 31: over twenty years ago, and there's so much that's changed,

2057
01:45:46,333 --> 01:45:49,533
Speaker 31: and I was really amazed at how much that's changed.

2058
01:45:49,653 --> 01:45:52,533
Speaker 31: And there's everything in there, the planet, the solar system,

2059
01:45:52,533 --> 01:45:54,853
Speaker 31: the universe, and a history of how we've come to

2060
01:45:54,893 --> 01:45:56,733
Speaker 31: know as much as we know about what we do.

2061
01:45:57,573 --> 01:45:59,733
Speaker 31: And it's a book that focuses on science, but Bryson

2062
01:45:59,733 --> 01:46:03,093
Speaker 31: makes it really entertaining and readable. And one of the

2063
01:46:03,133 --> 01:46:05,693
Speaker 31: first chapters actually covers off how many moons have been

2064
01:46:05,693 --> 01:46:07,733
Speaker 31: added in the last twenty years, and it turns out

2065
01:46:07,733 --> 01:46:09,973
Speaker 31: that one hundred new moons have been discovered. Some of

2066
01:46:10,013 --> 01:46:12,493
Speaker 31: them are just big rocks, but they orbit a planet,

2067
01:46:12,533 --> 01:46:14,933
Speaker 31: so therefore it's a definition of a moon. And then

2068
01:46:14,933 --> 01:46:18,453
Speaker 31: he moves on to topics like particle sub atomic particles

2069
01:46:18,493 --> 01:46:22,533
Speaker 31: and continental drift at atomic structure and the extension of

2070
01:46:22,573 --> 01:46:25,213
Speaker 31: the dinosaur and lots of other things. But he also

2071
01:46:25,333 --> 01:46:28,493
Speaker 31: talks about the human side of it, like JBS Haldine,

2072
01:46:28,493 --> 01:46:32,533
Speaker 31: who was responsible for discovering the genes for color blindness,

2073
01:46:32,613 --> 01:46:35,773
Speaker 31: and an English moths expert, a guy called lenn Alice

2074
01:46:35,773 --> 01:46:38,613
Speaker 31: from the British National History Museums. Here certainly finds people

2075
01:46:38,653 --> 01:46:41,373
Speaker 31: that we don't know a lot about, and that human

2076
01:46:41,453 --> 01:46:45,173
Speaker 31: interest on those scientists really keeps you entertained. And the

2077
01:46:45,173 --> 01:46:47,933
Speaker 31: book is completely entertaining, and you'll really learn something about

2078
01:46:47,973 --> 01:46:50,373
Speaker 31: science that you didn't know. And if you've read the

2079
01:46:50,413 --> 01:46:52,333
Speaker 31: first one, you really need to read the second one

2080
01:46:52,413 --> 01:46:55,093
Speaker 31: so you can see how much the world's changed, And yeah,

2081
01:46:55,133 --> 01:46:57,333
Speaker 31: how much you know? How much we more we know

2082
01:46:57,813 --> 01:46:59,013
Speaker 31: in twenty two years.

2083
01:46:59,133 --> 01:47:04,973
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I absolutely loved the original Short History

2084
01:47:04,973 --> 01:47:07,413
Speaker 4: of You. Nearly everything I remember, like lines from it

2085
01:47:07,813 --> 01:47:10,053
Speaker 4: and the different characters that Bill Bryson was describing. I

2086
01:47:10,053 --> 01:47:13,013
Speaker 4: think that was the first time I came across is

2087
01:47:13,013 --> 01:47:16,813
Speaker 4: it Thomas Midgley, who is the guy in designed both

2088
01:47:17,093 --> 01:47:22,933
Speaker 4: CFC's and leaded petrol am I right, but mas samwiched

2089
01:47:22,933 --> 01:47:27,013
Speaker 4: to humankind in the modern era. Poor this poor invendor

2090
01:47:27,093 --> 01:47:29,173
Speaker 4: was responsible for both of them. He didn't know obviously

2091
01:47:29,253 --> 01:47:31,773
Speaker 4: inventing them intending to cause harm, but they both as

2092
01:47:31,773 --> 01:47:34,773
Speaker 4: he ended up doing that. But he has a wonderful

2093
01:47:34,773 --> 01:47:39,733
Speaker 4: way of just telling stories around science and around history

2094
01:47:39,773 --> 01:47:42,653
Speaker 4: that really kind of just engage you, Right, even if

2095
01:47:42,653 --> 01:47:44,213
Speaker 4: you don't think you're into history, you don't think you're

2096
01:47:44,213 --> 01:47:45,933
Speaker 4: into science, He's got a real way of kind of

2097
01:47:45,973 --> 01:47:47,413
Speaker 4: capturing you with those stories.

2098
01:47:48,253 --> 01:47:50,653
Speaker 31: He certainly does, and that narrative way that he tells

2099
01:47:50,653 --> 01:47:53,333
Speaker 31: that you find yourself, you know. I mean, I don't

2100
01:47:53,333 --> 01:47:55,613
Speaker 31: know a lot about sub atomic particles, but I know

2101
01:47:55,733 --> 01:47:58,733
Speaker 31: more now, and yeah, it's just it's it's an intriguing

2102
01:47:58,773 --> 01:48:00,733
Speaker 31: way that he writes it, and yeah, really interesting.

2103
01:48:00,733 --> 01:48:03,333
Speaker 4: I think he's probably also one of the few writers

2104
01:48:03,413 --> 01:48:06,053
Speaker 4: whom I could quote, like a few modern writers whom

2105
01:48:06,093 --> 01:48:08,293
Speaker 4: I could quote. Was that the first line of the

2106
01:48:08,373 --> 01:48:14,853
Speaker 4: Lost Continent is I came from des Moines. Somebody had to. Yeah,

2107
01:48:14,893 --> 01:48:17,893
Speaker 4: it's just such a good lie. Yeah, immediately your caught anyway,

2108
01:48:17,973 --> 01:48:19,973
Speaker 4: It's just to be totally clear, is a short history

2109
01:48:20,013 --> 01:48:23,613
Speaker 4: of nearly everything too? Is that a sequel to the

2110
01:48:23,653 --> 01:48:27,093
Speaker 4: first one or is it more as things have been updated.

2111
01:48:27,133 --> 01:48:29,053
Speaker 4: He's kind of revamped the book a little bit.

2112
01:48:30,173 --> 01:48:31,893
Speaker 8: Oh, it feels really updated.

2113
01:48:33,413 --> 01:48:36,093
Speaker 31: I've seen him, heard him talk about things, and he said,

2114
01:48:36,093 --> 01:48:38,413
Speaker 31: you know, he started to sit down and read it

2115
01:48:38,453 --> 01:48:41,173
Speaker 31: and realized, like in the first you know, chapter or so,

2116
01:48:41,333 --> 01:48:43,573
Speaker 31: that's so much had changed. So he talks about some

2117
01:48:43,653 --> 01:48:45,853
Speaker 31: of the same things. But yeah, you know, he really

2118
01:48:45,853 --> 01:48:48,733
Speaker 31: talks about how much it's changed, and you know, what's happened,

2119
01:48:48,733 --> 01:48:50,613
Speaker 31: and he adds some kind of other people and more

2120
01:48:50,693 --> 01:48:53,053
Speaker 31: characters into it, so you don't I don't feel like

2121
01:48:53,093 --> 01:48:55,413
Speaker 31: I'm reading a repeat of what happened in the first one.

2122
01:48:55,493 --> 01:48:58,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like I'm reading quite a new book. Yeah, okay, okay,

2123
01:48:58,173 --> 01:48:59,813
Speaker 4: that's really good. I think we had him on when

2124
01:48:59,813 --> 01:49:03,493
Speaker 4: he released his Guide to the Body and he and

2125
01:49:03,533 --> 01:49:05,333
Speaker 4: I end up speaking for about nine minutes about breast

2126
01:49:05,373 --> 01:49:09,013
Speaker 4: milk as you So anyway, that sounds that sounds amazing,

2127
01:49:09,053 --> 01:49:11,053
Speaker 4: sounds really good. Both of those books are a bit

2128
01:49:11,093 --> 01:49:13,573
Speaker 4: of me. We've had nesh falls already, but a short

2129
01:49:13,613 --> 01:49:16,173
Speaker 4: history of nearly everything two boy No sound spectacular as well.

2130
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Speaker 4: Thank you, Catherine. Both of those books will be up

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Speaker 4: on the news talks He'd be website sixteen to twelve.

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Speaker 5: Giving the inside scoop on All You Need to Know

2133
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Speaker 5: Saturday Morning with Jack dam News Talks.

2134
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Speaker 30: It'd be the team to twelve on News Talks.

2135
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Speaker 4: He'd be that super girl by Garbage. Don't read into

2136
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Speaker 4: the title Chris Chris Shultz's music review with Us this morning.

2137
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Speaker 4: So five years ago, let's talk to this story. Five

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Speaker 4: years ago, you're on the show. It was the middle

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Speaker 4: of COVID. You were dialing in from home. Tell us

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Speaker 4: what happened?

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Speaker 26: Right, come into the studio like this. We were allowed to, Yeah,

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Speaker 26: we had to dial in.

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Speaker 4: It was lockdown.

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Speaker 26: You couldn't leave home. So, yeah, we were talking about

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Speaker 26: a Charlie XX album that had come out. It was

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Speaker 26: a Lockdown album. She'd made it at home in her

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Speaker 26: bedroom in LA and it was all about lockdown and

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Speaker 26: we were talking about it. And then you said to me,

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Speaker 26: what's going to happen next with music? Where's this gonna go?

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Speaker 26: How is COVID going to affect the music trends? And I,

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Speaker 26: off the top of my head just blurted out comfort music, nostalgia.

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Speaker 26: We're gonna want music that reminds us of happier times.

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Speaker 26: And so here we are five years later, we are

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Speaker 26: in the middle of a nostalgia boom unlike any other

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Speaker 26: Metallicas just played to fifty odd thousand people at Eden Park.

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Speaker 26: Lenny Kravitz just filled Spark Arena tonight, Tool play the

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Speaker 26: first of two shows at Spark Arena that sold out.

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Speaker 26: The Pixie start tomorrow night. They're in town for four shows,

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Speaker 26: most of those are sold out. On top of that,

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Speaker 26: Garbage are playing in December. I could name the acts

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Speaker 26: like that have just announced. Shows like Pulp are coming back,

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Speaker 26: Deep Tones just announced to show these nineties acts are reforming,

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Speaker 26: that they're they're out on tour. They're playing bigger venues

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Speaker 26: than they ever have before, En.

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Speaker 4: Mass Oasis, ac DC in Australia, like they're just the

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Speaker 4: Tic tic Tech Tic Tech right.

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Speaker 26: It's it's pretty crazy to think about how big and

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Speaker 26: how fast this happened. It's it's it's it's kind of unprecedented.

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Speaker 26: I do feel for younger acts who can't get a

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Speaker 26: looking at the moment. Yes, is the biggest trend in

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Speaker 26: music right now. It's nostalgia and promoters are out there.

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Speaker 26: They're pushing other acts to reform because there's money to

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Speaker 26: be made.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: See, this is the thing. I wonder if part of

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Speaker 4: this has also been driven by the streaming music age,

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Speaker 4: in that we know that artists who are putting their

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Speaker 4: music up on Spotify getting like thousands of sense the

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Speaker 4: dollar or whatever it is that they're getting. They're not

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Speaker 4: making money out of recording and selling the actual music

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Speaker 4: in the same way that they did pre streaming, right,

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Speaker 4: And so the way that they make a lot of

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Speaker 4: money is by touring, and it's by doing big shows and.

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Speaker 26: By selling a lot of expensive merd.

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Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, and so from the artist's perspective as well,

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Speaker 4: so from the audience partiful everyone loves, you know, listening

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Speaker 4: to the music you listened to when you were twenty

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Speaker 4: three or whatever. But actually from an artist's perspective as well,

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Speaker 4: being like, well, if we go and just do the

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Speaker 4: music we already know. We don't have to write new stuff.

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Speaker 4: We don't have to go and record new stuff. We

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Speaker 4: just you know, have a couple of practicestions. Get the

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Speaker 4: show nice and tight, take it on the ride, and

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Speaker 4: way you go.

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Speaker 26: I would counter that with that those big stadium shows

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Speaker 26: are not easy shows. No, this is true that you know,

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Speaker 26: Metallica played a thrash metal set, old school eighties thrash

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Speaker 26: metal most of it, and that is incredibly hard to play,

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Speaker 26: especially when you're in your sixties. I'd point to Oasis like, yeah,

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Speaker 26: they played their first two albums. That was probably a

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Speaker 26: little easier. But yeah, I think it's still a lot.

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Speaker 4: I mean when you're doing for some of these big groups,

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Speaker 4: doing night after night after night after night, you.

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Speaker 26: Know, in your sixties. Yeah, but the money is there.

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Speaker 26: I mean you saw it at the Metallica pop up

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Speaker 26: store downtown. The queues were around the block. They were

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Speaker 26: selling ninety dollars posters, one hundred and sixty dollars single,

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Speaker 26: it's five hundred and fifty dollars, cooler bags. It was

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Speaker 26: wild and people were how much like a twenty dollar

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Speaker 26: picnic hamper with chilled lining was five hundred and fifty

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Speaker 26: dollars with Metallica branded on it. I'm not joking, that's

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Speaker 26: that's real.

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Speaker 4: But people buying it.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, skateboard decks, there was books, there were board games.

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Speaker 26: There were a simple single canned beer.

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Speaker 4: Yea cooler was I.

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Speaker 26: Think the sixty dollars, oh my god, And people were

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Speaker 26: walking out with boxes and stuff. So the money's there.

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Speaker 26: I think you know you're going to see a little

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Speaker 26: bit more of this. There are acts that haven't reformed

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Speaker 26: or haven't toured in a while, and the money will

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Speaker 26: be there. I'm talking about Eminem, I'm talking about the

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Speaker 26: White Stripes who just got inducted in the Rock and

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Speaker 26: Roll Hall of Fame, getting me and Jack Wipe back together.

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Speaker 26: For sure. The spy skills haven't been on the road.

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Speaker 26: Imagine a spy skills to it.

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Speaker 4: But it's always just well, posh spice do it right.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, the money's on the table.

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Speaker 3: Is that.

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Speaker 26: I also think though there's a younger group of artists,

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Speaker 26: they're sitting there there waiting to take over from these guys.

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Speaker 26: This has a time limit on it, right This is

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Speaker 26: a very particular moment in time where everyone wants this

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Speaker 26: comfort music post covid. I think there are acts like

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Speaker 26: Lord and Sabrina Carpenter and Charlie XCX that are just

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Speaker 26: sitting there. They're building up their own nostalgia right now.

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Speaker 26: I think they're in that kind of future nostalgia era,

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Speaker 26: if you like, and that's hopefully they'll they'll sweep the

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Speaker 26: metallicas and the oasises out of the end. They'll be

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Speaker 26: filling stadiums I reckon pretty soon.

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Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, like sooner than we think. They won't have

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Speaker 4: to wait twenty years kind of. Yeah.

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Speaker 26: Hopefully we don't have to go through another pandemic and

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Speaker 26: I don't have to call in from my bedroom a gym.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, look you were right the first time, so

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Speaker 4: great call on that front. And look if emin M

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Speaker 4: or a couple of those other groups were to come

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Speaker 4: and do a tour, I would be very pleased. Indeed,

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Speaker 4: so yeap that have you know, willing Sello, willing buyer.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Chris, Thank you Chris. Chris Shultz

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Speaker 4: a music reviewer. Of course you can find him on substack.

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Speaker 4: His substack is boiler Room. It's eight to twelve on

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Speaker 4: News Talks hed.

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Speaker 5: B cracking way to sketch your Saturday Saturday morning with

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Speaker 4: Right, what do you got to have in your diary? Okay?

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Speaker 4: Ten plus four Tomorrow morning is the All Blacks final

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Speaker 4: test of twenty twenty five against the Welsh and Cardiff.

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Speaker 4: Of course we'll have the call on News talks ed

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Speaker 4: Be Alive this afternoon. Jason Pine will be counting down

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Speaker 4: to that as well as the second day of the

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Speaker 4: first Ashes Tessa and both them on the show. How

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Speaker 4: Thanks to my wonderful producers this week, Libby and Kerrie

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Speaker 4: for doing all the tough stuff. I'm going to be

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Speaker 4: back Saturday morning from ten. Until then, in the spirit

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Speaker 4: of nineties nostalgia, We're going to leave you with the

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Speaker 4: death Tones. This is change in the House of Lies.

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Speaker 4: See you next week.

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Speaker 3: Crown Cold.

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Speaker 2: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame.

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