1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,587 --> 00:00:15,267 Speaker 2: Edb on the right hand side of the All Blacks 4 00:00:15,307 --> 00:00:19,067 Speaker 2: directly under the uprights, Roy Guard Pets and goes himself, 5 00:00:19,627 --> 00:00:22,947 Speaker 2: can Roy god Back Camp, Right Guard, Stores. 6 00:00:22,907 --> 00:00:25,227 Speaker 3: And Straw and former All Blacks half back our expert 7 00:00:25,227 --> 00:00:27,947 Speaker 3: analyst and News Talks. Heb commentary last night and good 8 00:00:27,947 --> 00:00:29,507 Speaker 3: to chat to you the day after. Can we start 9 00:00:29,507 --> 00:00:31,587 Speaker 3: with the man in the nine Jersey? The man we 10 00:00:31,667 --> 00:00:35,507 Speaker 3: just heard score that try Cam Roygard. How influential was 11 00:00:35,547 --> 00:00:37,987 Speaker 3: he last night on his return to the Black Jersey? 12 00:00:39,027 --> 00:00:41,027 Speaker 4: Man could probably take us five to ten minutes, but 13 00:00:41,267 --> 00:00:45,547 Speaker 4: that one. But to sum him up, so instrumental in 14 00:00:45,627 --> 00:00:49,387 Speaker 4: everything they did. He brought energy to the group, He 15 00:00:49,427 --> 00:00:53,787 Speaker 4: bought confidence. Just his ability to keep testing the Australian defense. 16 00:00:54,027 --> 00:00:56,107 Speaker 4: I think for mine is one of those things that 17 00:00:56,307 --> 00:00:59,387 Speaker 4: he takes pressure off others and for the most he 18 00:00:59,467 --> 00:01:01,987 Speaker 4: made a lot of really smart decisions. He scans early 19 00:01:02,987 --> 00:01:04,947 Speaker 4: very confident in his own ability and I just thought 20 00:01:04,987 --> 00:01:08,747 Speaker 4: overall his game was pretty clinical and yeah, just the 21 00:01:08,867 --> 00:01:11,787 Speaker 4: energy and what he brings to this group. It is 22 00:01:11,867 --> 00:01:13,627 Speaker 4: actually now as we look at it, I know we've 23 00:01:13,627 --> 00:01:15,347 Speaker 4: got some good knights running around the country made but 24 00:01:15,747 --> 00:01:19,107 Speaker 4: he is head and shoulders above the pack and probably 25 00:01:19,147 --> 00:01:21,107 Speaker 4: the only here he really doesn't need to continue to 26 00:01:21,147 --> 00:01:23,147 Speaker 4: work on it, just that box kicking, because we're running 27 00:01:23,147 --> 00:01:26,827 Speaker 4: a lot of contestables now from the base and I've 28 00:01:26,867 --> 00:01:28,987 Speaker 4: just had a couple of rope ones last night. But overall, 29 00:01:29,067 --> 00:01:29,987 Speaker 4: a wonderful. 30 00:01:29,627 --> 00:01:32,987 Speaker 3: Performance even after just thirteen tests. And is he now 31 00:01:33,027 --> 00:01:36,067 Speaker 3: among the most important players in this all black setup? 32 00:01:37,267 --> 00:01:39,547 Speaker 4: I think so. I mean, we're in the development phase. 33 00:01:39,627 --> 00:01:41,507 Speaker 4: I even knew some public hate to hear that, but 34 00:01:41,547 --> 00:01:44,267 Speaker 4: you know, we've lost all that experience after the last 35 00:01:44,307 --> 00:01:46,747 Speaker 4: World Cup and we're now building a group as you 36 00:01:46,827 --> 00:01:50,027 Speaker 4: head to the next one, you know, and the pivotal roles, 37 00:01:50,387 --> 00:01:53,347 Speaker 4: and nine is one of those is so important. And 38 00:01:53,387 --> 00:01:56,267 Speaker 4: it's great to know we've got depth and talent and youth. 39 00:01:57,347 --> 00:02:00,227 Speaker 4: But once you settle on a player who is so 40 00:02:00,387 --> 00:02:02,707 Speaker 4: critical to the way you play the game, not just 41 00:02:03,107 --> 00:02:06,867 Speaker 4: offensively but defensively as well. He's a good defender, you 42 00:02:06,867 --> 00:02:09,867 Speaker 4: know you could start building your units, your blocks around 43 00:02:09,987 --> 00:02:13,787 Speaker 4: your team to have a really strong collective group. And yes, 44 00:02:13,947 --> 00:02:17,667 Speaker 4: I mean it belies belief that you know, the thirteen 45 00:02:17,707 --> 00:02:20,307 Speaker 4: games he's played. He looks like a thirty forty test 46 00:02:20,387 --> 00:02:23,587 Speaker 4: veteran out there. And I know, you know the ball 47 00:02:23,707 --> 00:02:25,787 Speaker 4: provided from last night we played on top of lot. 48 00:02:25,827 --> 00:02:28,187 Speaker 4: I thought the cleaner carry clean was good too, so 49 00:02:28,227 --> 00:02:30,987 Speaker 4: he got a good platform. But you know, look, I 50 00:02:31,027 --> 00:02:33,947 Speaker 4: totally agree he. You know, he's so critical to us 51 00:02:33,947 --> 00:02:34,467 Speaker 4: moving forward. 52 00:02:34,667 --> 00:02:37,667 Speaker 3: Speaking of platforms, what were the foundations for the All 53 00:02:37,667 --> 00:02:38,547 Speaker 3: Blacks when last night? 54 00:02:38,547 --> 00:02:41,827 Speaker 4: For you, well, I think the set piece, while it 55 00:02:41,947 --> 00:02:44,867 Speaker 4: was a bit ropie, we certainly had parity, if not better. 56 00:02:45,027 --> 00:02:47,307 Speaker 4: So you know, as you know, mate, you have to 57 00:02:47,347 --> 00:02:51,787 Speaker 4: be clinical with your execretion around set piece. You've got 58 00:02:51,787 --> 00:02:53,667 Speaker 4: to have a strong scrum so you can launch from 59 00:02:53,707 --> 00:02:56,387 Speaker 4: that a lineout as well, but also some scrums and 60 00:02:56,427 --> 00:02:58,427 Speaker 4: lineus where you can put some pressure on the opposition. 61 00:02:58,747 --> 00:03:02,507 Speaker 4: I thought that was better certainly than Wellington. I really 62 00:03:02,587 --> 00:03:04,707 Speaker 4: liked the way they attacked. I think we mentioned in 63 00:03:04,707 --> 00:03:07,107 Speaker 4: commentary last night a few times. Their ability to get 64 00:03:07,107 --> 00:03:10,387 Speaker 4: the bull the wits quickly was was phenomenal and we 65 00:03:10,467 --> 00:03:12,947 Speaker 4: really did stretch the Wallabies out wide and they just 66 00:03:13,067 --> 00:03:14,867 Speaker 4: kept going there and as nice as he came a 67 00:03:14,907 --> 00:03:17,307 Speaker 4: park with his hands on the ball, a lot leroy 68 00:03:17,427 --> 00:03:19,387 Speaker 4: tarda got involved as well, and if it didn't come 69 00:03:19,387 --> 00:03:21,707 Speaker 4: to us when he got involved as well. So getting 70 00:03:21,747 --> 00:03:24,547 Speaker 4: the ball to the edges and exposing the Wallabies, I 71 00:03:24,547 --> 00:03:26,307 Speaker 4: thought it was one thing and it was nice the 72 00:03:26,347 --> 00:03:28,387 Speaker 4: way they got it there. It wasn't just catch pass 73 00:03:28,507 --> 00:03:31,507 Speaker 4: every time. Sometimes they ran some nice layers through the middle, 74 00:03:31,587 --> 00:03:33,827 Speaker 4: those little second man plays we talk about all the time. 75 00:03:34,627 --> 00:03:37,427 Speaker 4: So the attack coach should put himself on the back 76 00:03:37,427 --> 00:03:39,667 Speaker 4: this morning, so I thought that was very good. And 77 00:03:39,747 --> 00:03:42,467 Speaker 4: also mate, we continued to be really well disciplined. You 78 00:03:42,587 --> 00:03:45,907 Speaker 4: remember four three four TESTA we got stained by the 79 00:03:45,907 --> 00:03:47,627 Speaker 4: referee and we turned the ball over a lot. With 80 00:03:47,667 --> 00:03:50,987 Speaker 4: our discipline, we sorted that out as well, and I 81 00:03:51,027 --> 00:03:54,867 Speaker 4: thought Addie Savius set the standard physically for us and 82 00:03:54,907 --> 00:03:57,747 Speaker 4: the rest of that forward pack just followed suit. It 83 00:03:57,827 --> 00:04:00,667 Speaker 4: was a brutal game, as you mentioned, but I thought, yeah, 84 00:04:00,747 --> 00:04:03,707 Speaker 4: just I believed to contest the collisions to give us 85 00:04:03,707 --> 00:04:06,787 Speaker 4: a platform to get to the wits was really really good. 86 00:04:07,107 --> 00:04:08,587 Speaker 3: Just on the referee and there's been a bit of 87 00:04:08,667 --> 00:04:12,467 Speaker 3: chat about his performance, and in particular a few complaints 88 00:04:12,587 --> 00:04:14,347 Speaker 3: on the other side of the Tasman about the number 89 00:04:14,347 --> 00:04:16,187 Speaker 3: of penalties that were handed out. The yellow card for 90 00:04:16,227 --> 00:04:19,467 Speaker 3: Harry Potter and other decisions made last night. What was 91 00:04:19,507 --> 00:04:20,787 Speaker 3: your evaluation of the referee. 92 00:04:21,867 --> 00:04:25,187 Speaker 4: I actually thought it was really good because he was proactive. 93 00:04:25,787 --> 00:04:27,707 Speaker 4: You know, we could often hear his voice down the 94 00:04:27,787 --> 00:04:31,307 Speaker 4: works in terms of explaining what's happening as the game 95 00:04:31,427 --> 00:04:34,107 Speaker 4: is unfolding, So he wasn't blowing it up and then explaining. 96 00:04:34,507 --> 00:04:37,387 Speaker 4: He was giving some of productive vocals to the players, 97 00:04:37,387 --> 00:04:39,467 Speaker 4: and I thought that was really good. He's never going 98 00:04:39,547 --> 00:04:41,947 Speaker 4: to get through a Test match with the way the 99 00:04:42,107 --> 00:04:44,987 Speaker 4: ruckers so complicated these days. But obviously thought you know, 100 00:04:45,147 --> 00:04:48,227 Speaker 4: for the most part, he got things right. He penalized 101 00:04:48,267 --> 00:04:51,347 Speaker 4: teams for entry a lot, some of the guys who 102 00:04:51,467 --> 00:04:54,227 Speaker 4: were losing feet, but also the side entry both teams 103 00:04:54,667 --> 00:04:57,587 Speaker 4: in that phase. He tied it up any to tackle area, 104 00:04:58,547 --> 00:05:00,547 Speaker 4: and I think the game flowed pretty well. I mean, 105 00:05:00,867 --> 00:05:03,427 Speaker 4: he was some really nice attacking movements throughout the game 106 00:05:03,467 --> 00:05:06,787 Speaker 4: from both teams, and you know, referee contributes to them flow. 107 00:05:06,907 --> 00:05:09,947 Speaker 4: So look, he lets you had a really good game. 108 00:05:09,987 --> 00:05:12,187 Speaker 4: I can't understand, you know, when a thing gets penalless 109 00:05:12,187 --> 00:05:14,907 Speaker 4: more than the other. You scrutinize a lot more closely 110 00:05:14,947 --> 00:05:16,907 Speaker 4: what I referee does. But you know, I get him 111 00:05:16,907 --> 00:05:18,667 Speaker 4: a big mark, big tech plast monk. 112 00:05:19,347 --> 00:05:21,627 Speaker 3: What did you see happen in that ten minutes just 113 00:05:21,747 --> 00:05:24,427 Speaker 3: before halftime when Australia came back from what they were 114 00:05:24,467 --> 00:05:27,787 Speaker 3: twenty points down, sorry, seventeen points down and they scored 115 00:05:27,787 --> 00:05:29,987 Speaker 3: those two converted tries and close the gap to three? 116 00:05:30,107 --> 00:05:33,067 Speaker 3: What did you see from the Wallabies? What didn't perhaps 117 00:05:33,107 --> 00:05:34,707 Speaker 3: you see from the All Blacks in that period? 118 00:05:35,627 --> 00:05:37,547 Speaker 4: And I think you nailed it. You know, as soon 119 00:05:37,587 --> 00:05:40,507 Speaker 4: as body Barrett was at a knoxious injury to his 120 00:05:40,587 --> 00:05:43,667 Speaker 4: ac joint went off, it would just like to puff 121 00:05:43,747 --> 00:05:46,427 Speaker 4: went out of the team and it was almost like saying, 122 00:05:46,627 --> 00:05:49,427 Speaker 4: now who's stepping up and taking control? You know, who's 123 00:05:49,507 --> 00:05:52,427 Speaker 4: vocally going to lead this team to really keep pushing 124 00:05:53,267 --> 00:05:56,707 Speaker 4: beyond the twenty to three leads and just screw them 125 00:05:56,747 --> 00:05:58,667 Speaker 4: down all the way through the halftime. And I just 126 00:05:58,747 --> 00:06:02,187 Speaker 4: thought there was we were just a bit passive across 127 00:06:02,267 --> 00:06:08,107 Speaker 4: the park vocally, physically, execution wise. We just went flat. 128 00:06:08,947 --> 00:06:11,667 Speaker 4: And it's a real concern for mine. I mean, it 129 00:06:11,787 --> 00:06:13,187 Speaker 4: was a good win in the end, but it was 130 00:06:13,267 --> 00:06:15,507 Speaker 4: a concern from mine that we just got so soft 131 00:06:16,227 --> 00:06:18,507 Speaker 4: and that teens are twelve minutes to half time and 132 00:06:18,587 --> 00:06:21,387 Speaker 4: it is about day management. And you mentioned as you say, 133 00:06:21,427 --> 00:06:24,147 Speaker 4: Buddy Barrett went off, not but Kens he's not good 134 00:06:24,267 --> 00:06:27,947 Speaker 4: enough to take the reins there. But we went flat 135 00:06:28,347 --> 00:06:29,907 Speaker 4: and how are we going to get out of that 136 00:06:30,147 --> 00:06:32,467 Speaker 4: so that we don't know? Cop up fourteen points or 137 00:06:32,507 --> 00:06:34,347 Speaker 4: whatever it was in a very short space of time 138 00:06:34,427 --> 00:06:36,147 Speaker 4: and we lost a lot of momentsa through it. 139 00:06:36,907 --> 00:06:39,027 Speaker 3: A guy whose name you mentioned a few times last 140 00:06:39,107 --> 00:06:41,707 Speaker 3: night whether it the praise was Quintupia who came on 141 00:06:41,827 --> 00:06:44,387 Speaker 3: in an unfamiliar position on the left wing when Caleb 142 00:06:44,467 --> 00:06:46,147 Speaker 3: Clark went off of that Englan injury. Do you think 143 00:06:46,227 --> 00:06:48,867 Speaker 3: Quinta Pie's pushing for a starting spot on this team? 144 00:06:49,467 --> 00:06:52,187 Speaker 4: Yeah? I do. I mean everything he's done so far, 145 00:06:52,267 --> 00:06:54,587 Speaker 4: and it dismtches with his camelin in games against South 146 00:06:54,587 --> 00:06:56,547 Speaker 4: Africa when they wanted the fortress a few weeks ago. 147 00:06:57,307 --> 00:06:59,987 Speaker 4: His ability to carry a good footwork, He's very powerful 148 00:06:59,987 --> 00:07:01,427 Speaker 4: with ball in hand. He was playing on a wing. 149 00:07:01,507 --> 00:07:02,747 Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's played a lot of wing 150 00:07:02,827 --> 00:07:05,987 Speaker 4: in his life. He did a child there. I'll be 151 00:07:06,027 --> 00:07:08,027 Speaker 4: bearing awful a little while. Man. I think they should 152 00:07:08,027 --> 00:07:10,587 Speaker 4: put it back at twelve. And that's no discredit to 153 00:07:10,667 --> 00:07:12,787 Speaker 4: what Bildie Barrett's been doing in that role. But I 154 00:07:12,947 --> 00:07:15,667 Speaker 4: still just think he's a fallback. I think you can 155 00:07:15,747 --> 00:07:18,147 Speaker 4: pop you know, Will Jordan on the wings. I know 156 00:07:18,227 --> 00:07:20,827 Speaker 4: that would be tough for Carter and or Clark, who 157 00:07:20,987 --> 00:07:23,827 Speaker 4: also had a really good game last night. Everyonnie, Sorry 158 00:07:24,107 --> 00:07:26,947 Speaker 4: Caleb Clark got a bit of an injury. But yeah, 159 00:07:27,307 --> 00:07:30,267 Speaker 4: I just think Quinn will give us something at twelve, 160 00:07:30,627 --> 00:07:33,707 Speaker 4: which we've probably been lacking, into the consistency of what 161 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:37,507 Speaker 4: our twelve does, getting gainline, getting post contact meters. He's 162 00:07:37,547 --> 00:07:40,467 Speaker 4: a good in your face defender. And also I thought 163 00:07:40,667 --> 00:07:43,747 Speaker 4: Billy Procts he probably had another really really good game. 164 00:07:43,787 --> 00:07:46,147 Speaker 4: I thought he took a step up. His defense was superb. 165 00:07:46,587 --> 00:07:49,987 Speaker 4: He swum away from situations to pick up guys in 166 00:07:50,147 --> 00:07:53,827 Speaker 4: behind the attacking line. I think he was getting his 167 00:07:53,947 --> 00:07:56,227 Speaker 4: ball and he hadn't made an error last night, you know, 168 00:07:56,467 --> 00:07:59,227 Speaker 4: so he's growing week by weeks. I just wonder whether 169 00:07:59,267 --> 00:08:01,387 Speaker 4: he'd be better with quinter Pie sitting inside. 170 00:08:01,147 --> 00:08:03,907 Speaker 3: Him all right, just to finish and look ahead. I 171 00:08:03,987 --> 00:08:06,667 Speaker 3: guess the trick now is consistency, isn't his? And they 172 00:08:06,747 --> 00:08:09,587 Speaker 3: beat Argentina lost to Argentina beat South Africa lost to 173 00:08:09,627 --> 00:08:12,227 Speaker 3: South Africa beat Australia. How do they make sure over 174 00:08:12,307 --> 00:08:13,947 Speaker 3: the next seven days they go to Perth and went 175 00:08:13,987 --> 00:08:14,347 Speaker 3: over there. 176 00:08:16,067 --> 00:08:19,507 Speaker 4: Well, there's some new challenges I think Piney. I mean 177 00:08:19,547 --> 00:08:20,907 Speaker 4: they'll be able to sit down and look at that 178 00:08:21,347 --> 00:08:23,187 Speaker 4: flat patches in the game. They need to fix that. 179 00:08:23,907 --> 00:08:25,987 Speaker 4: I think they need to reflect on the way they're 180 00:08:26,067 --> 00:08:28,467 Speaker 4: paying and I think it's a successful way that the 181 00:08:28,627 --> 00:08:31,587 Speaker 4: Wallabies will expect now to play the width. So my 182 00:08:31,747 --> 00:08:33,867 Speaker 4: question is as they go up to Perth, it'll be 183 00:08:33,947 --> 00:08:36,947 Speaker 4: hot airs up there. You know, the long travel, it 184 00:08:37,067 --> 00:08:38,867 Speaker 4: is taxing to get all the way up to Perth. 185 00:08:39,627 --> 00:08:42,107 Speaker 4: Do they have any just variations about just rather than 186 00:08:42,147 --> 00:08:45,827 Speaker 4: go to Witth again, so reinforce the good things, bring 187 00:08:45,867 --> 00:08:48,867 Speaker 4: a little bit more variation in. But you know, definitely 188 00:08:50,267 --> 00:08:54,947 Speaker 4: work out some way, some strategy of stopping those flat 189 00:08:54,987 --> 00:08:58,027 Speaker 4: patches and games. Because the Wallabies will take a lot 190 00:08:58,067 --> 00:09:00,227 Speaker 4: of confidence from the game. Finally enough, I thought they 191 00:09:00,267 --> 00:09:02,707 Speaker 4: scrambled defensively and brilliantly at the time. They held us 192 00:09:02,787 --> 00:09:07,267 Speaker 4: up from many occasions. So they take that confidence away 193 00:09:07,427 --> 00:09:10,267 Speaker 4: back to Perth and they'll come hissing in front of 194 00:09:10,307 --> 00:09:14,267 Speaker 4: a big home crowd, I'd imagine, So the orb actually 195 00:09:14,307 --> 00:09:17,427 Speaker 4: have to work on those, primarily those flat patches. 196 00:09:17,907 --> 00:09:20,827 Speaker 3: Always enjoy chatting rugby with you and and working alongside you, mate. 197 00:09:20,827 --> 00:09:24,867 Speaker 3: Thanks for your time this afternoon, mate. Thanks and Andron 198 00:09:25,187 --> 00:09:30,107 Speaker 3: our expert analyst Jee. He provides some incredibly good insight 199 00:09:31,147 --> 00:09:33,747 Speaker 3: every time I have the opportunity to do a radio 200 00:09:33,787 --> 00:09:36,387 Speaker 3: commentary with Ant up in the box alongside Elliott Smith. 201 00:09:37,107 --> 00:09:39,987 Speaker 3: He just gets such a deeper understanding of the game. 202 00:09:40,067 --> 00:09:42,747 Speaker 3: He's just got such an astute rugby brain an straw 203 00:09:42,787 --> 00:09:45,427 Speaker 3: and he's in The Herald now writing regular articles there. 204 00:09:46,227 --> 00:09:49,387 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 205 00:09:49,507 --> 00:09:52,787 Speaker 1: to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow 206 00:09:52,827 --> 00:09:54,387 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.