1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: The IMPA who kicked off an inquiry into social media 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: harm for kids doesn't like the outcome. The Education Committee's 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: final reports say is basically, ban under sixteen from TikTok, Facebook, 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: other platforms is doing them damage. Dr PALMJ. Palmer represents 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: ACT on the Education Workforce Committee, joins me this morning, 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: good morning, Hello, good morning. So you didn't like the 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: outcome of the inquiry. 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: Why not? I'm actually quite disappointed to see the outcome 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: because the idea was to go with an open mind, 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: not just copy and paste of what others have done 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: without actually examining everything. I don't like it because banning 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: social media funder sixteen is one of the recommendations and 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 2: this issue was actually central to the reason for the inquiry. 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 2: And you will note in the advice that was provided 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 2: by the advisors, the advisors didn't provide full advice on 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: this issue this intervention, and I wrote to the Select 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: Committee urging the Select Committee to seek advice on this 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: particular intervention, and the Select Committee members, by maturity, decided 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: not to proceed. So my view is that they took 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: a predetermined approach, and in my view, this is a 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: very serious issue and they didn't get really undermine the 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: Select Committee's rule. 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: Didn't get the evidence, didn't get the evidence. They just 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: go on ahead with a headline grabbing decision. But you, 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't say, Palm Jack Kenny. You can't 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: sit there and tell us that it's not bad for kids. 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: I mean, look at them. 28 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: So we know. And I must say that concerns about 29 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: young people online are real and we need to find 30 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: real solutions for them. So this is a complex issue, 31 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: and what I'm saying is that it was not dealt 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 2: with the seriousness that parents and young people deserve. And 33 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: now issue here is this that with this approach, what 34 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: will happen is that all New Zealanders will be required 35 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: to upload their IDs digitally. And this is not just 36 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: about the physical part of it. So if you consider 37 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: the scale of data these platforms would come out. So 38 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: this is your identity, your online behavior, your networks, your 39 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: past and current behaviors online. So in my view, this 40 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: isn't just information. It's actually powerful. 41 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: It's fairy. That is fair. But you can choose, Like 42 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: we live in a free society, you do not have 43 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: to sign up to a social media platform. You can 44 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: choose not to if I go buy alcohol, then I 45 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: need to show my ID. 46 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: But you don't leave your ID with them here. You 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: will be required to upload your ID to these platforms, 48 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: and that is where we have concerns. We don't want 49 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: to see new. 50 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: Zealanders, so don't. 51 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: You compromise for their polity, But so don't use. What 52 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: I wanted the selectimitty to do was oral work to 53 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: see how we could mitigate this. But that didn't happen 54 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: because we didn't get the advice on this intervention from 55 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: the advisors, and the Selectivity then went ahead and made 56 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: this as a recommendation one of the recommodity Right, all right. 57 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: But let's be honest. If you force under sixteen year 58 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: olds to prove their age, that doesn't mean that everyone 59 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: over sixteen has to give an ID. 60 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: Does it. So that will be the case because when 61 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: it is going to be based on age, age verification 62 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: will be required. So in many many cases it may 63 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: not be possible for even if it's biometrics or some 64 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: other ways used to just look at the image and 65 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: say the person is sixteen, aren't doing that. So the 66 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: issue here is this that we had the opportunity to 67 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: learn from them and YouTube also wrote to the Select 68 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: Comittee this is when we were doing the second report 69 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: to share their experiences, but Selectimitty turned down that request 70 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: as well. 71 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Palm Jack, appreciate your time this morning. 72 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: Acting P. Palm Jack Palmer not happy with the inquiry. 73 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: For more Family Edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen live to 74 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: News Talks it be from five am weekdays, or follow 75 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.