1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,693 Speaker 1: from News Talks at me. 3 00:00:12,813 --> 00:00:17,533 Speaker 2: Sir Tony Robinson is one of the world's most recognizable 4 00:00:17,893 --> 00:00:21,893 Speaker 2: history presenters. After four Korea defining series of the British 5 00:00:21,893 --> 00:00:25,733 Speaker 2: sitcom Blackheader, Tony of course fronted twenty seasons of the 6 00:00:25,853 --> 00:00:30,973 Speaker 2: Archaeological Dig show Time Team. His humorous hooks and accessible 7 00:00:31,013 --> 00:00:35,773 Speaker 2: presentation has helped to demystify history and inspire passion in 8 00:00:35,853 --> 00:00:39,573 Speaker 2: a whole new generation. Tony has also written more than 9 00:00:39,773 --> 00:00:44,893 Speaker 2: thirty children's books, but his latest historical excavation is his 10 00:00:45,013 --> 00:00:48,333 Speaker 2: first foray into fiction for an older audience. The book's 11 00:00:48,373 --> 00:00:53,093 Speaker 2: called The House of Wolf. It's set in ninth century Wessex, Wessex, 12 00:00:53,213 --> 00:00:57,693 Speaker 2: and is an epic struggle between greed, idealism, ambition and betrayal. 13 00:00:57,773 --> 00:01:00,693 Speaker 2: And Sir Tony Robinson is with us this morning. Kyoda, 14 00:01:00,773 --> 00:01:05,493 Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning, Good morning. Hey. You have achieved 15 00:01:05,613 --> 00:01:08,893 Speaker 2: an extraordinary number of things in your life. You have 16 00:01:10,213 --> 00:01:13,613 Speaker 2: an extraordinary number of creative pursuits. It is remarkable to 17 00:01:13,653 --> 00:01:16,813 Speaker 2: consider there was even a first for you still to achieve, 18 00:01:16,853 --> 00:01:19,893 Speaker 2: and yet The House of Wolf is your first piece 19 00:01:19,973 --> 00:01:22,533 Speaker 2: of adult fiction. So can you just tell us. How 20 00:01:22,773 --> 00:01:24,173 Speaker 2: tell our listeners a little bit about it. 21 00:01:25,013 --> 00:01:28,973 Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty ridiculous, really. I was seventy eight when 22 00:01:29,013 --> 00:01:36,693 Speaker 3: I decided to write a historic trilogy, but I did. 23 00:01:37,173 --> 00:01:40,973 Speaker 3: And yeah, and so the first book is called The 24 00:01:40,973 --> 00:01:45,173 Speaker 3: House of Wolf, and it's about King Alfred the Great, 25 00:01:45,253 --> 00:01:49,293 Speaker 3: the only king that the English called great. And it 26 00:01:49,453 --> 00:01:51,413 Speaker 3: was a long long time ago. It was in the 27 00:01:52,173 --> 00:01:56,573 Speaker 3: ninth century AD, that's two hundred years before William the 28 00:01:56,653 --> 00:02:00,693 Speaker 3: Conqueror it came to England. But the reason is so 29 00:02:00,773 --> 00:02:05,653 Speaker 3: great is twofold. First of all, because he completely defeated 30 00:02:05,693 --> 00:02:09,373 Speaker 3: the Viking at a time when nobody else was getting 31 00:02:09,373 --> 00:02:15,973 Speaker 3: anywhere near defeating them. Secondly, he was the king of Wessex, 32 00:02:16,053 --> 00:02:22,413 Speaker 3: which is like southern England, and he nicked Mercier, which 33 00:02:22,533 --> 00:02:25,773 Speaker 3: was the word for the Midlands in those days, blued 34 00:02:25,813 --> 00:02:30,133 Speaker 3: them together and used a bit of East Anglia where 35 00:02:30,173 --> 00:02:34,493 Speaker 3: there were some Christian vikings, so all three were glued together. 36 00:02:35,933 --> 00:02:40,373 Speaker 3: Initially they called themselves the Anglo Saxons, but then gradually 37 00:02:40,453 --> 00:02:45,213 Speaker 3: out of that came the word angle Land. In other words, 38 00:02:46,373 --> 00:02:52,293 Speaker 3: Alfred created England. And so you know, if that isn't 39 00:02:52,373 --> 00:02:54,333 Speaker 3: worth a story, what else is? 40 00:02:55,613 --> 00:02:59,133 Speaker 2: Have you always had an interest in the Anglo Saxons 41 00:02:59,173 --> 00:02:59,853 Speaker 2: as they're know. 42 00:03:00,613 --> 00:03:06,373 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, because like for your listeners who've come to Englis, 43 00:03:06,453 --> 00:03:08,733 Speaker 3: which I imagine will be quite a few of them. 44 00:03:09,733 --> 00:03:12,373 Speaker 3: You can see the Romans in the landscape. You've got 45 00:03:12,373 --> 00:03:15,173 Speaker 3: Hadrian's Wall and all that stuff. You can see the 46 00:03:15,213 --> 00:03:19,253 Speaker 3: Normans in the landscape because of all the cathedrals and 47 00:03:19,693 --> 00:03:23,853 Speaker 3: all the castles. But that gap of six hundred and 48 00:03:23,893 --> 00:03:26,333 Speaker 3: odd years in between what they used to call the 49 00:03:26,453 --> 00:03:30,053 Speaker 3: Dark Ages, there really isn't any sign of And that's 50 00:03:30,093 --> 00:03:32,853 Speaker 3: why it was called the Dark Ages, not because the 51 00:03:32,973 --> 00:03:36,773 Speaker 3: light suddenly failed, but because it's very hard to see 52 00:03:36,773 --> 00:03:40,573 Speaker 3: who those people were. So from my point of view 53 00:03:40,573 --> 00:03:43,693 Speaker 3: as a writer, that's great because it means I can 54 00:03:44,253 --> 00:03:48,093 Speaker 3: use my imagination almost as much as I like, and 55 00:03:48,253 --> 00:03:50,213 Speaker 3: no one can say, Ahi, you're wrong. 56 00:03:50,893 --> 00:03:53,413 Speaker 2: Well, how different is it writing for adults because you 57 00:03:53,453 --> 00:03:56,573 Speaker 2: have written I think thirty books now for younger readers, 58 00:03:56,613 --> 00:03:59,813 Speaker 2: and they are beloved books. But it is it's quite 59 00:03:59,813 --> 00:04:01,013 Speaker 2: a different experience. I would have. 60 00:04:00,933 --> 00:04:07,013 Speaker 3: Thought, yeah, totally. Yeah. It scared me rigid when I started. 61 00:04:07,053 --> 00:04:10,693 Speaker 3: I had massive imposter syndrome. It's ridiculous, isn't it. Like 62 00:04:11,013 --> 00:04:14,613 Speaker 3: I've been on the stage for sixty odd years, and 63 00:04:14,693 --> 00:04:18,493 Speaker 3: yet when it came to writing a book, error gripped 64 00:04:18,533 --> 00:04:21,893 Speaker 3: me that just that idea of looking at the blank 65 00:04:21,973 --> 00:04:25,653 Speaker 3: page and knowing you've got to fill it up with 66 00:04:25,773 --> 00:04:29,493 Speaker 3: something implausible for grown ups. And I knew I wanted 67 00:04:29,493 --> 00:04:31,653 Speaker 3: to create a saga. I knew I wanted it to 68 00:04:31,653 --> 00:04:37,173 Speaker 3: be something, you know, those netflicky HBO type wonderful theories 69 00:04:37,213 --> 00:04:40,653 Speaker 3: that we've all adored over the last ten to fifteen years. 70 00:04:40,733 --> 00:04:43,373 Speaker 3: I wanted it to be a page turner, but I 71 00:04:43,453 --> 00:04:47,133 Speaker 3: also wanted to reflect the history that was going on 72 00:04:47,173 --> 00:04:49,693 Speaker 3: at the time, and I knew that meant that, rather 73 00:04:49,813 --> 00:04:53,053 Speaker 3: like Game of Thrones, I had to have lots of 74 00:04:53,093 --> 00:04:56,173 Speaker 3: stories going on at the same time. So I'm sitting 75 00:04:56,213 --> 00:04:58,853 Speaker 3: there with my pen in my hand, because I do 76 00:04:58,973 --> 00:05:01,773 Speaker 3: write with a pen and paper, and I'm thinking, how 77 00:05:01,973 --> 00:05:05,853 Speaker 3: dare you have the audacity to try and knit three 78 00:05:06,053 --> 00:05:11,013 Speaker 3: or four storylines together over like foreign and a half 79 00:05:11,133 --> 00:05:14,933 Speaker 3: hundred pages, knowing that that's only the first third. How 80 00:05:14,973 --> 00:05:17,453 Speaker 3: can you do that and expect people not to yell 81 00:05:17,493 --> 00:05:19,093 Speaker 3: out fraud, cheat, liar. 82 00:05:20,373 --> 00:05:25,773 Speaker 2: It's It's a delicate balance, isn't it When you're relying 83 00:05:25,813 --> 00:05:28,973 Speaker 2: on true historical fact and you're trying to weave that 84 00:05:29,173 --> 00:05:32,373 Speaker 2: in with a fictional narrative, like you always want to 85 00:05:32,373 --> 00:05:34,173 Speaker 2: have the kind of right balance between the two. I 86 00:05:34,213 --> 00:05:35,733 Speaker 2: should imagine it. 87 00:05:35,693 --> 00:05:38,013 Speaker 3: Was so lovely because I really, you know, I really 88 00:05:38,253 --> 00:05:43,653 Speaker 3: I did go quite bonkers writing it. But and I 89 00:05:43,733 --> 00:05:48,973 Speaker 3: submitted the drafts of final draft to the publisher, and 90 00:05:49,013 --> 00:05:53,133 Speaker 3: then he got that printed up and sent it out 91 00:05:53,333 --> 00:05:55,493 Speaker 3: to a number of people. I think, I think your 92 00:05:55,533 --> 00:06:01,693 Speaker 3: young people call them opinion formers, and some journalists and 93 00:06:01,733 --> 00:06:06,133 Speaker 3: also some historical novelists, people that I really respected. And 94 00:06:06,173 --> 00:06:09,373 Speaker 3: I'm even more terror I know, I'm laying this on 95 00:06:09,413 --> 00:06:14,573 Speaker 3: a bit with a trowel. And then after six weeks, 96 00:06:15,013 --> 00:06:19,613 Speaker 3: the writer Dan Jones, who wrote a stormily popular historical 97 00:06:19,653 --> 00:06:24,333 Speaker 3: novel called Essex Doggs. He wrote, but he wrote, well, 98 00:06:24,333 --> 00:06:26,813 Speaker 3: he wrote a review of it, really and it was 99 00:06:26,973 --> 00:06:32,773 Speaker 3: so fulsome he was so enthusiastic about it. Both thought 100 00:06:32,813 --> 00:06:36,613 Speaker 3: it was, you know, the bee's knees that immediately all 101 00:06:36,613 --> 00:06:41,253 Speaker 3: that paranoia that I'd had dispelled completely. It would like 102 00:06:41,413 --> 00:06:43,893 Speaker 3: this huge weight off my shoulders. And then more and 103 00:06:43,933 --> 00:06:47,573 Speaker 3: more of these lovely reviews came in, and well, he'd 104 00:06:47,613 --> 00:06:50,253 Speaker 3: got in the Sunday Times Top twenty, which is you know, 105 00:06:50,573 --> 00:06:54,373 Speaker 3: no top ten. Why am I putting myself out the 106 00:06:54,413 --> 00:06:57,773 Speaker 3: top ten? And that's great because once you've got that, 107 00:06:57,933 --> 00:07:02,133 Speaker 3: you're allowed to call yourselves a Sunday Times best selling author. 108 00:07:02,573 --> 00:07:05,413 Speaker 3: So you know that's that's really what your introduction should 109 00:07:05,413 --> 00:07:07,733 Speaker 3: have been. I don't want to well that's what you're 110 00:07:07,773 --> 00:07:08,573 Speaker 3: just started with. 111 00:07:08,653 --> 00:07:13,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course, well yeah, I for what it's worth. 112 00:07:14,493 --> 00:07:18,333 Speaker 2: I hope you never feel the need for confirmation or 113 00:07:18,413 --> 00:07:24,613 Speaker 2: validation again, because we love your work, Toney. So why 114 00:07:24,653 --> 00:07:26,213 Speaker 2: do you write with pen and paper? Still? 115 00:07:26,933 --> 00:07:30,293 Speaker 3: I love it. I love the way it feels, I 116 00:07:30,333 --> 00:07:32,213 Speaker 3: love the way the pen feels in my hand. I 117 00:07:32,253 --> 00:07:35,013 Speaker 3: love the rustle of the paper. My ideal way of 118 00:07:35,093 --> 00:07:38,413 Speaker 3: working is to have two pillows behind me in bed, 119 00:07:38,693 --> 00:07:42,773 Speaker 3: and I've got fourteen sheets fanned out, like on the 120 00:07:42,853 --> 00:07:45,773 Speaker 3: left hand side all the pages that I've just written, 121 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:48,213 Speaker 3: in the middle of the ones I'm working on now, 122 00:07:48,413 --> 00:07:50,533 Speaker 3: and on the far side of the notes for what 123 00:07:50,653 --> 00:07:56,773 Speaker 3: will happen in future. It's the absolute opposite of using 124 00:07:57,533 --> 00:08:03,613 Speaker 3: any kind of computerized writing. It's the process is always there, 125 00:08:03,653 --> 00:08:07,773 Speaker 3: The whole process is always with me, not dominated by 126 00:08:07,773 --> 00:08:10,213 Speaker 3: the single screen. And I'm you know, I'm not dissing 127 00:08:10,293 --> 00:08:13,533 Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of the writers that I know who 128 00:08:13,573 --> 00:08:16,413 Speaker 3: write on their laptop, but just for me, it just 129 00:08:16,493 --> 00:08:17,253 Speaker 3: feels right. 130 00:08:19,493 --> 00:08:24,573 Speaker 2: Do you think your many incredible seasons of Time Team 131 00:08:24,893 --> 00:08:28,093 Speaker 2: has helped you to connect with stories like this from 132 00:08:28,613 --> 00:08:31,173 Speaker 2: the past. What do you see as being the connection there? 133 00:08:31,933 --> 00:08:38,213 Speaker 3: Yeah, and black added to Both of them were created 134 00:08:38,373 --> 00:08:45,133 Speaker 3: by incredibly intelligent, mostly Oxford and Cambridge educated young men. 135 00:08:46,293 --> 00:08:48,773 Speaker 3: Most of it was certainly on black Adder. They were 136 00:08:48,813 --> 00:08:52,053 Speaker 3: all young men, not more women on Time Team, but 137 00:08:52,213 --> 00:08:56,453 Speaker 3: all of them had this passion about history, this very 138 00:08:56,533 --> 00:09:01,133 Speaker 3: serious attitude towards history actually, which really rubbed off on me, 139 00:09:01,213 --> 00:09:04,653 Speaker 3: both the passion and the seriousness, except that on Black 140 00:09:04,693 --> 00:09:08,173 Speaker 3: Adda those guys were prepared to use it in any 141 00:09:08,213 --> 00:09:10,893 Speaker 3: way they wanted to in order to create a good 142 00:09:10,893 --> 00:09:13,573 Speaker 3: story in a good gag. So that's there with me 143 00:09:13,613 --> 00:09:18,213 Speaker 3: as well. I think those two things were huge influences 144 00:09:18,373 --> 00:09:21,733 Speaker 3: on me. And the third one is Charles Dickens. I mean, 145 00:09:21,773 --> 00:09:23,853 Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to compare myself with him in any 146 00:09:23,853 --> 00:09:26,933 Speaker 3: other way other than that he was a writer who 147 00:09:26,973 --> 00:09:32,413 Speaker 3: started off as an actor, and when you listen or 148 00:09:32,573 --> 00:09:37,333 Speaker 3: read what he wrote, you can hear that it is 149 00:09:37,413 --> 00:09:40,573 Speaker 3: the words of an actor, someone who readish it in words, 150 00:09:40,693 --> 00:09:43,213 Speaker 3: someone who loves words, someone who wants to read their 151 00:09:43,213 --> 00:09:46,933 Speaker 3: book out loud, and like, all the characters he created 152 00:09:47,333 --> 00:09:51,613 Speaker 3: are slightly hyper real, aren't they? And all the environments 153 00:09:51,613 --> 00:09:55,773 Speaker 3: in which you set the characters again slightly hyperreal. And yeah, 154 00:09:55,813 --> 00:09:57,333 Speaker 3: I think I follow that example too. 155 00:09:57,613 --> 00:10:02,413 Speaker 2: See I reflect on Blackhead as almost being the kind 156 00:10:02,453 --> 00:10:06,453 Speaker 2: of soundscape of my childhood. I feel as a it 157 00:10:06,733 --> 00:10:10,373 Speaker 2: sort of you know, it papers my memories. 158 00:10:10,573 --> 00:10:12,933 Speaker 3: Well, terribly bad. 159 00:10:14,853 --> 00:10:19,853 Speaker 2: But I read recently that you said that multiple actors 160 00:10:19,853 --> 00:10:23,053 Speaker 2: had turned down the role of Balderick before. 161 00:10:24,253 --> 00:10:28,653 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if you'd seen the pilot scripts you would 162 00:10:28,653 --> 00:10:31,173 Speaker 3: have understood it was pretty rubbish. And the part of 163 00:10:31,213 --> 00:10:34,413 Speaker 3: Balderick was only about eight lines, and there wasn't one 164 00:10:34,493 --> 00:10:39,013 Speaker 3: funny one in it. And virtually everybody who that little 165 00:10:39,133 --> 00:10:45,493 Speaker 3: coterie of performers cast in their shows were fellow members 166 00:10:45,493 --> 00:10:48,853 Speaker 3: of the Oxford University Dramatic Society in Cambridge foot Lies. 167 00:10:48,973 --> 00:10:50,693 Speaker 3: They were the people they had always worked with. They 168 00:10:51,013 --> 00:10:53,773 Speaker 3: all knew how to work together. So you can imagine 169 00:10:53,773 --> 00:10:56,853 Speaker 3: if you were one of that group of people, and 170 00:10:57,053 --> 00:11:01,933 Speaker 3: Richard Curtis and Rowan had written this scripts and they'd 171 00:11:01,973 --> 00:11:04,053 Speaker 3: only given you eight lines and none of them were funny. 172 00:11:04,173 --> 00:11:07,173 Speaker 3: You'd have gone, yeah, well, next time maybe, but you know, 173 00:11:07,533 --> 00:11:11,453 Speaker 3: not this one. And I suspect that was something like 174 00:11:11,493 --> 00:11:15,453 Speaker 3: what happened, and eventually, just because the head of comedy 175 00:11:15,533 --> 00:11:19,853 Speaker 3: had seen me doing something small and vaguely humorous, cast 176 00:11:19,933 --> 00:11:22,053 Speaker 3: me as someone small and vaguely humorous. 177 00:11:22,533 --> 00:11:25,333 Speaker 2: Do people still pull you up on the street and 178 00:11:25,813 --> 00:11:27,293 Speaker 2: recite lines to you from Black Hair? 179 00:11:27,613 --> 00:11:30,573 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably The problem is 180 00:11:30,693 --> 00:11:33,253 Speaker 3: I've forgotten them, Like they recite the whole of a 181 00:11:33,253 --> 00:11:35,613 Speaker 3: gag except for the punchline, and then they wait for 182 00:11:35,653 --> 00:11:38,493 Speaker 3: me to say the punchline. I can't remember. I just 183 00:11:38,533 --> 00:11:41,133 Speaker 3: look at them blankly and go, yeah, go on, you 184 00:11:41,253 --> 00:11:41,613 Speaker 3: say it. 185 00:11:44,213 --> 00:11:49,133 Speaker 2: I also read that you have another ambition outside of 186 00:11:49,133 --> 00:11:52,053 Speaker 2: this trilogy, to come to the South Island's West Coast 187 00:11:52,053 --> 00:11:55,813 Speaker 2: and New Zealand and film a documentary here. 188 00:11:56,813 --> 00:11:59,333 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well it hasn't No, No, I just want to 189 00:11:59,373 --> 00:12:03,453 Speaker 3: keep on saying it, hoping that some film producer with 190 00:12:03,493 --> 00:12:07,133 Speaker 3: a lot of money will will will help me that series. 191 00:12:08,053 --> 00:12:11,293 Speaker 3: It is one of the most fascinating parts of the 192 00:12:11,333 --> 00:12:14,693 Speaker 3: world that I've been to, and its history is so rich, 193 00:12:15,093 --> 00:12:17,453 Speaker 3: and you know, I don't know how familiar all that 194 00:12:17,493 --> 00:12:21,333 Speaker 3: stuff is to New Zealand people, even South Ireland people, 195 00:12:21,653 --> 00:12:24,253 Speaker 3: but certainly over here we know nothing about it. And 196 00:12:24,333 --> 00:12:26,093 Speaker 3: in the States, I don't think they know anything about 197 00:12:26,293 --> 00:12:28,333 Speaker 3: You know, that was the real gold Rush, wasn't it, 198 00:12:28,693 --> 00:12:33,333 Speaker 3: And what a transforming time it was, and how lost 199 00:12:33,413 --> 00:12:39,573 Speaker 3: and isolated so many people were, of all ethnicities, and yeah, 200 00:12:39,613 --> 00:12:41,253 Speaker 3: I would love to do something or that. I just 201 00:12:41,253 --> 00:12:44,773 Speaker 3: think it a great and fascinating time. And now I 202 00:12:44,813 --> 00:12:46,853 Speaker 3: think most people look at the back of the map 203 00:12:47,013 --> 00:12:50,653 Speaker 3: and New Zealand and all they see is the other coast, 204 00:12:51,133 --> 00:12:52,893 Speaker 3: the bit down the bottom and the bit up the top. 205 00:12:53,693 --> 00:12:58,773 Speaker 3: They don't see that wonderful, fulfilling, it exciting bit that 206 00:12:58,893 --> 00:12:59,893 Speaker 3: is virtually ignored. 207 00:13:00,773 --> 00:13:03,453 Speaker 2: You are coming to New Zealand early next year, so 208 00:13:03,893 --> 00:13:06,173 Speaker 2: you got two different dates, right. 209 00:13:06,933 --> 00:13:10,613 Speaker 3: Well, two different days, but two very proximate dates. So 210 00:13:10,813 --> 00:13:13,333 Speaker 3: on the seventeenth of February, I'm at the Bruce Mason 211 00:13:13,613 --> 00:13:17,133 Speaker 3: in Auckland and on the eighteenth I'm at the old 212 00:13:17,413 --> 00:13:19,013 Speaker 3: Esa Royal in christ Church. 213 00:13:20,253 --> 00:13:20,853 Speaker 2: I haven't been. 214 00:13:21,733 --> 00:13:23,893 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tis for me too, because I haven't been 215 00:13:23,893 --> 00:13:27,293 Speaker 3: to christ Church since about eighteen months after the big 216 00:13:27,333 --> 00:13:32,653 Speaker 3: disaster and when it was still really struggling. Whenever I 217 00:13:32,653 --> 00:13:35,413 Speaker 3: say struggling, that sounds offensive, and I don't know. I 218 00:13:35,493 --> 00:13:39,773 Speaker 3: just thought the way that people seized the opportunity amidst 219 00:13:39,773 --> 00:13:45,453 Speaker 3: the tragedy was absolutely profound. And yeah, so I want 220 00:13:45,453 --> 00:13:46,173 Speaker 3: to go back now. 221 00:13:47,853 --> 00:13:50,253 Speaker 2: I don't want to give too much away, but I 222 00:13:50,253 --> 00:13:53,253 Speaker 2: think you will find, for the most part, not entirely, 223 00:13:53,333 --> 00:13:55,533 Speaker 2: but for the most part, it's a city transformed. 224 00:13:55,773 --> 00:13:58,653 Speaker 3: So I'm longing to say, so, are any of those 225 00:13:58,693 --> 00:14:00,893 Speaker 3: big I forgot what you call them, those big rectangular 226 00:14:00,973 --> 00:14:03,653 Speaker 3: metal boxes that were turned into. 227 00:14:03,493 --> 00:14:05,413 Speaker 2: Shops for the shipping containers. 228 00:14:05,893 --> 00:14:08,933 Speaker 3: Yeah, they can changes. That's the word. Yeah, excuse me, 229 00:14:08,973 --> 00:14:11,613 Speaker 3: I am seventy nine. It's the first time in this 230 00:14:11,853 --> 00:14:14,733 Speaker 3: entire interview I've forgotten a word, and it was the word, 231 00:14:15,133 --> 00:14:16,693 Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen, shipping container. 232 00:14:16,733 --> 00:14:19,693 Speaker 2: Totally your You've got your mind with the Anglo Saxons. 233 00:14:19,733 --> 00:14:20,693 Speaker 2: That's totally understanding. 234 00:14:20,693 --> 00:14:21,253 Speaker 1: That's true. 235 00:14:21,373 --> 00:14:25,173 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Anglo Saxon shipping containers were made out 236 00:14:25,173 --> 00:14:25,533 Speaker 3: of wood. 237 00:14:25,653 --> 00:14:31,813 Speaker 2: Yes, that we are delighted that you're coming down. Congratulations 238 00:14:31,853 --> 00:14:33,533 Speaker 2: on the House of Wolf, and we're thrilled that it's 239 00:14:33,533 --> 00:14:35,173 Speaker 2: going to be a three part series at the stage 240 00:14:35,213 --> 00:14:37,213 Speaker 2: as well. So thank you very much for giving us 241 00:14:37,253 --> 00:14:38,813 Speaker 2: your time and we will see you in a few. 242 00:14:38,693 --> 00:14:40,733 Speaker 3: Months, looking forward to it. 243 00:14:41,133 --> 00:14:44,093 Speaker 2: That is Tony Robinson to repeat those dates again. He's 244 00:14:44,093 --> 00:14:46,733 Speaker 2: going to be Auckland on the seventeenth of February. He's 245 00:14:46,733 --> 00:14:48,813 Speaker 2: going to be in christ on the eighteenth of February. 246 00:14:48,853 --> 00:14:51,533 Speaker 2: Maybe we can get him to stop by Dimitries while 247 00:14:51,533 --> 00:14:54,013 Speaker 2: he's in town as well. Such a joy to get 248 00:14:54,173 --> 00:14:54,453 Speaker 2: up with. 249 00:14:54,453 --> 00:14:57,973 Speaker 1: Him for more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame. 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