1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: At a time when the New Zealand film industry is 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: standing by for what an earthy Trump terrified here actually means. 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: The Film Commission, as it turns out, is out in 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: the world on a trade mission. They're in India, the 5 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: UK and France to look for new investment partnerships and 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: international productions. Annie Murray is the Film Commission boss and 7 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: is with us from I think it's Brittain any. 8 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: Morning, Good morning, Mike Es, I'm in London. 9 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Do you feel at sea in a world where you 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: know not what happens tomorrow? 11 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: Oh? Look, we are not speculating on the Trump a 12 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: terriff's issue. The latest we've heard is that the President 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: Trump has said he doesn't want to damage the industry 14 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: if he wants to sit down with the major studios 15 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and talk about it. And we think that's a good start. 16 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: So is it everything that's talked about? Though, when you 17 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: enter a room with anybody to do with film that 18 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: did they say things like, oh what about Trump? 19 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: It's coming up. Definitely there is some concern out there, 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: but everybody's in the same boat. We're all waiting for 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: detail on this thing. So we're not speculating. We're getting 22 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: on with. 23 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: Business, how much businesses they're out there at the moment. 24 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: Forget the tariffs that they never existed. Are there people 25 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: with money out there in the world at the moment 26 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: that like what we do and want to do business 27 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: with us. 28 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: There definitely is co production is on the rise. That's 29 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: a really important part of our industry. We've just come 30 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: from India where there are over three thousand films made 31 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: every year, all financed with private equity, so that's a 32 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: thriving part of the industry. We've just had some excellent 33 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: meetings yesterday with the British Film Institute where connecting these 34 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: Zealand producers with the UK producers to develop more co production. 35 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: So there's certainly a lot of business happening. We're looking 36 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: ahead to can next week we will be doing a 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: lot more meetings and looking to grow this three point 38 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: three billion dollar industry for New Zealand. 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: What's the cultural divide? So is an Indian movie, for example, 40 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: we would be the location versus say a UK movie 41 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: where we might put some stars in it and it's 42 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: a co lab that on screen looks like a New 43 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: Zealand UK thing. You see what I'm saying That. 44 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: Goes both ways. Mike. We've got eighteen co production treaties 45 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: with jurisdictions around the world. We might shoot in one 46 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: market and post produce in another. There might be music 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: being composed in its third territory. It's a really globally 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: integrated business and our co production treaties and our EMU 49 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 2: with Australia are super flexible, so we can make the 50 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: deal work for the. 51 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: Creative fantastic I wish you were with the rest of 52 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: the journey. Annie Murray, who is the New Zealand Film 53 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: Commission's CEO, read a very interesting piece yesterday about Trump 54 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: and the movies, and of course the difference between the 55 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: movies and everything else is that the movies are part 56 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: of the service's economy. The services economy makes up seventy 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: percent of the US economy. It's Google, Netflix, Facebook, Hollywood films, insurance, 58 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. Whereas his trade war up 59 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: until this particular point, has been allegedly about boxes, dolls, pencils, 60 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: things like that. So what it alarms them? First of all, 61 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: this is driven out by the Hollywood unions. By the way, 62 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: this is entirely driven by the union movement in Hollywood, 63 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: who have been. Trump is right. It has never come back, 64 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: and it's never come back because they had a strike, 65 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: and they had a strike on AI and they wanted 66 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: more money, and eventually they got more money. But they 67 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: got so much more money that they had to lay 68 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: a whole lot of people off, and no one wanted 69 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: to make money in Hollywood anymore. But the services industry 70 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: is not what Trump argues. See previously, Trump argues, when 71 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: I send my box to you in China, you charge 72 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: me for it. So I'm going to charge you the 73 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: same and while I'm mad, and I'm going to charge 74 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: everybody ten percent on everything because that's what I do. 75 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: Services are different, and that's where it's most obviously a 76 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: bargaining chip because it isn't going to work, and he 77 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: knows it, and everybody else has worked out that we 78 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: know that he knows, and he knows that we know, 79 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: and so it will eventually flush through or fingers crossed. 80 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: For more from The Mike Asking Breakfast, listen live to 81 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: news Talks at b from six am weekdays, or follow 82 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.