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Speaker 1: The government is making disruptive demonstrations outside private homes and offense.

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Speaker 1: It says there have been increasing reports of demonstrations targeting

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Speaker 1: private residences of public people like MPs, judges and other

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Speaker 1: public officials, and the Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is with us.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey, Paul, Hello, how are you, Heather?

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Speaker 1: I'm well, thank you? Which MP's have been targeted?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm still thinking about the chicken with the skin

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Speaker 2: on You eat the skin on your chicken? Well, yes

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Speaker 2: I do sometimes and look at the state of you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're trim, aren't you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know, but that's anyway, that's that's all the

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Speaker 2: anxiety that comes with political life, you know.

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Speaker 1: All right, So tell me which imps have been targeted.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going to go into that. Some have,

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you wanting to keep it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Are you wanting to keep its secret to avoid encouraging

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Speaker 1: others to do the same.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, it's not a great secret or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: It's not, but it's just the way. I don't think

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Speaker 2: we need to talk about that. But the fact is

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Speaker 2: that some have and it's not but the legislation that

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Speaker 2: we're proposing, it's not just for MPs, it's for anybody.

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Speaker 2: You should be able to not have demonstrations outside your

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Speaker 2: house making a racket and driving all the neighbors crazy.

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Speaker 2: And at the moment, the law doesn't really enable the

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Speaker 2: police to deal with that effectively, and so that's what

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Speaker 2: we're doing.

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Speaker 1: Paul, my understanding Tell me if I'm wrong, But my

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Speaker 1: understanding is that some MPs who have been who are

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Speaker 1: involved in ways in trying to deal with the Gaza conflict,

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Speaker 1: have been targeted by pro Palestinian demonstrations.

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Speaker 2: Is that right, Well, yes, there has been some of that,

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Speaker 2: but it's not just that. I mean, it's a wide

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Speaker 2: variety of people. And look, so look we'll go after

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Speaker 2: select committee and people can talk about it because obviously,

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Speaker 2: you know, public demonstrations are important part of a democracy

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Speaker 2: and we're not about shutting that down willy nilly. But

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Speaker 2: where you're talking, I think somebody's home, somebody's residence, where

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Speaker 2: they live, where their family lives, shouldn't be a place

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Speaker 2: where you're exposed to things. And you know some of

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Speaker 2: these things, you know, at four o'clock in the morning,

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Speaker 2: making a racket and all that sort of thing is

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Speaker 2: not ide.

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Speaker 1: You reckon Judges will enforce this though, because I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've had some demonstrations that have, for example, disrupted the

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Speaker 1: traffic in Wellington. You've had all kinds of stuff that

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Speaker 1: goes on, and judges just way that through. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they just let these guys off so they might get

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Speaker 1: this in front of them. Go, No, it's totally fine.

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Speaker 1: You're allowed to do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, the judiciary is independent and we won't

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Speaker 2: be sort of what we're dealing with here is things

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Speaker 2: that are targeted at individuals and their personal residences. There

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Speaker 2: are broader things. Obviously we have a general right to protest,

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Speaker 2: but there are, as you say, broader issues in terms

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Speaker 2: of whether it costs people and affects other people's lives,

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Speaker 2: and that's something that has to be weighed up. But

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Speaker 2: that's not the particular focus of this change.

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Speaker 1: I think your problem is going to be the judges. Now,

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Speaker 1: have you seen what the Supreme Court has just done

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Speaker 1: with the river beds?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I have seen that, and I'll be asking for

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Speaker 2: some advice, but of course it won't be changing the

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Speaker 2: fact that we're still carrying our head.

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Speaker 1: You f actually to your legislation on Macha that you've

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Speaker 1: already planned, have you factored this in.

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Speaker 2: Not yet, but I'll get some advice as to whether

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Speaker 2: it has any impact on it or not. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: it won't change the basic dynamic, which is all about

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Speaker 2: trying to get that balance right between the interests that

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Speaker 2: all New Zealanders have on the coastline and but still

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Speaker 2: retaining the ability so.

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Speaker 1: The possibility that you actually do address this in your

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Speaker 1: updated legislation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'll get some advice on the details.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Paul, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy your chicken skin.

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Speaker 1: That's Paul Goldsmith, Justice Minister. For more from Hither Duplessy

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