WEBVTT - Max Whitehead: Work impacts your happiness in life 0:00:05.721 --> 0:00:09.401 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks 0:00:09.441 --> 0:00:17.921 at b. 0:00:16.521 --> 0:00:29.041 R S time sample of his band Simple Balls, Wow, Western. 0:00:33.881 --> 0:00:34.721 Class Now. 0:00:39.321 --> 0:00:56.601 Elmo sell Man s Man a complicated as. 0:00:59.241 --> 0:00:59.441 Well. 0:00:59.441 --> 0:01:01.201 I let that roll a little bit longer, sell us, 0:01:01.241 --> 0:01:03.561 Jim Jimmy Barnes. I mean, you can't, you know. I think, 0:01:03.601 --> 0:01:06.521 actually we hear this every time we hear Max Max Whitehead. 0:01:06.761 --> 0:01:09.361 It is good. I was Max Bradford again because you 0:01:09.441 --> 0:01:10.961 kept on reminding me that I used to get your 0:01:11.001 --> 0:01:15.401 name wrong, because he was the local mpued. 0:01:14.041 --> 0:01:15.841 Earlier on Folks and he's just copied it. 0:01:16.001 --> 0:01:19.201 Excellent, Yeah, excellent. We're with Max Whitehead, of course, the 0:01:19.281 --> 0:01:22.721 familiar tones of the employment law specialist. And look, just 0:01:22.761 --> 0:01:24.281 before we get into it, one your Cause, of course, 0:01:24.281 --> 0:01:25.481 that's the name of the game of eight hundred and 0:01:25.481 --> 0:01:28.001 eight ten eighty text nineteen nine two. Before I do, 0:01:28.161 --> 0:01:30.081 I'll just mention if you did miss the Health Hub 0:01:30.321 --> 0:01:35.481 fantastic conversation with h at Kent John's about motivation and 0:01:35.721 --> 0:01:37.361 just you know, a lot of the time people listen 0:01:37.401 --> 0:01:39.241 to shows about exercise and you sort of think, O, well, 0:01:39.281 --> 0:01:40.841 I'm not doing that yet. I'm not doing that yet. 0:01:41.081 --> 0:01:44.521 And it was an interesting discussion around just how do 0:01:44.641 --> 0:01:47.561 you get going without giving yourself a goal that's going 0:01:47.641 --> 0:01:48.921 to intimidate you into stopping In a. 0:01:48.921 --> 0:01:51.081 Couple of weeks, I couldn't wait because I did nine 0:01:51.161 --> 0:01:52.521 thousand steps this today. 0:01:52.921 --> 0:01:54.721 You just did that sitting in your share twitching, didn't 0:01:54.761 --> 0:01:55.521 you just now? 0:01:55.601 --> 0:01:57.201 It's a working class man. 0:01:57.881 --> 0:02:00.641 Anyway, and if you wanted to hear that and the 0:02:00.961 --> 0:02:05.481 politics how we had a chat about the with Ruth 0:02:05.521 --> 0:02:08.281 Money about the new sentencing guidelines that have come in. 0:02:08.481 --> 0:02:10.481 We're not the guidelines and new rules around it, and 0:02:10.641 --> 0:02:12.721 that was an interesting chat as well. And we had 0:02:12.761 --> 0:02:15.721 also spoke with PWC's policy tax leader, Sandy Law about 0:02:16.921 --> 0:02:19.921 about the cost of the cost of superannuation and how 0:02:19.961 --> 0:02:21.401 we're going to pay for it eventually and something's going 0:02:21.441 --> 0:02:23.121 to have to change with our tax settings or something. 0:02:23.681 --> 0:02:25.401 And so you can listen to everyone's calls on that. 0:02:26.081 --> 0:02:28.121 Go to the weekend look for the Weekend Collective on 0:02:28.161 --> 0:02:32.361 iHeartRadio or news talk, said b right, Max, So survey 0:02:32.481 --> 0:02:36.841 results have shown that New Zealand workers this year value 0:02:37.481 --> 0:02:40.361 noways cynical about these things. But I'll finish what I'm 0:02:40.361 --> 0:02:45.721 reading Value work life balance ahead of salary or benefits, 0:02:46.161 --> 0:02:50.241 career development, and even job security. So that is a 0:02:50.321 --> 0:02:52.841 big one. They value work life balance ahead of salary 0:02:53.001 --> 0:02:57.001 or benefits, career development, and even job security. Additionally, the 0:02:57.121 --> 0:03:01.881 same reports show employees are likely to switch jobs for 0:03:02.001 --> 0:03:06.481 better work life balance than better pay. I'm going to 0:03:06.561 --> 0:03:08.721 qualify that in a second with my own rancid opinion. 0:03:09.081 --> 0:03:10.761 But so what a nine to five is actually want 0:03:10.801 --> 0:03:13.201 from their employers? What keeps them satisfied and motivated the 0:03:13.241 --> 0:03:16.921 point that they're working past sixty five as well? Max, 0:03:17.201 --> 0:03:20.281 I reckon just a hot take that if you are 0:03:20.361 --> 0:03:23.681 earning a truckload of money, then you might be I 0:03:23.761 --> 0:03:25.881 don't care about money. I just care about life balance. 0:03:25.921 --> 0:03:28.841 But if you're struggling to pay the bills, I don't 0:03:28.841 --> 0:03:31.761 know whether those people are. What do you reckon? 0:03:31.881 --> 0:03:33.681 Well, I think there's a new philosophy in town, and 0:03:33.761 --> 0:03:35.481 I actually do think there's a lot of people do 0:03:35.681 --> 0:03:39.041 believe that. But it also if they're filling out a survey, 0:03:39.481 --> 0:03:42.921 they don't know who's watching it. So what can I do? 0:03:43.241 --> 0:03:46.721 I'll make get people impressed with me. Money's not important 0:03:46.761 --> 0:03:50.161 to me, and that's the vogue. The people aren't even 0:03:50.161 --> 0:03:53.401 being honest I'm out of COVID's cod People didn't want 0:03:53.441 --> 0:03:55.721 to go back to work. They did not want to 0:03:55.761 --> 0:03:58.481 go back and working from home. Everyone one wants to 0:03:58.561 --> 0:03:59.561 work from home right now. 0:03:59.721 --> 0:04:03.041 Well, is this one of the big issues that you're 0:04:03.081 --> 0:04:05.961 having to battle all the time. Absolutely, because I've got 0:04:06.041 --> 0:04:09.281 to say, look and we've all I'm not shifting the conversation, 0:04:09.401 --> 0:04:12.561 but it's a sideline. It's one of the angles. Is 0:04:12.961 --> 0:04:15.881 the whole working from home. I like coming into work. 0:04:16.241 --> 0:04:20.721 I like separating. There were working from home up to 0:04:20.801 --> 0:04:23.041 a point, and I've broadcast from home. We have these 0:04:23.521 --> 0:04:26.361 bits of equipment they can see around. We connected into 0:04:26.401 --> 0:04:28.121 the Wi Fi and everything not into the WiFi. We're 0:04:28.121 --> 0:04:30.961 hard wired and you can actually do the show from home. 0:04:31.001 --> 0:04:34.161 If I was desperate, if work we're desperate. I like 0:04:34.521 --> 0:04:38.801 coming to work. I hate the fact that workplace, that 0:04:38.961 --> 0:04:41.761 the lounge orman, you know, at the spare room, became 0:04:42.321 --> 0:04:44.241 the office. And yet you're saying that people want to 0:04:44.241 --> 0:04:44.681 do more of it. 0:04:45.561 --> 0:04:48.121 They certainly do, and they do. They enjoy it because 0:04:48.201 --> 0:04:50.241 I think it's a little bit about Oh, I can 0:04:50.281 --> 0:04:52.241 see my kids more often, I can do a lot 0:04:52.321 --> 0:04:55.321 more in my time, I can spread myself around a 0:04:55.321 --> 0:04:57.761 little bit, get the meal prepared while I'm supposed to 0:04:57.841 --> 0:05:01.881 be working. Note a few other things like this. And 0:05:02.401 --> 0:05:05.161 I've got to say, in some areas the product but 0:05:05.241 --> 0:05:09.121 he does increase. In some areas people take advantage that 0:05:09.161 --> 0:05:11.601 they can't help themselves. They'd rather go off and play 0:05:11.801 --> 0:05:12.721 other than go to work. 0:05:13.001 --> 0:05:15.641 How difficult is it for people to be monitored by 0:05:15.801 --> 0:05:18.681 their managers and bosses? 0:05:19.681 --> 0:05:20.321 Very difficult. 0:05:21.601 --> 0:05:24.321 I mean, I guess if they're getting done the work 0:05:24.361 --> 0:05:28.121 you're setting them, then fine. In fact, I wonder if 0:05:28.361 --> 0:05:30.481 you are working from home, you know, not being supervised, 0:05:30.681 --> 0:05:32.801 you think, well, if i can bang this out really quickly, 0:05:33.121 --> 0:05:35.841 then I'm off to the beach yep. And a manager, 0:05:35.841 --> 0:05:37.681 if they knew that'd be like, oh, you've finished that already, 0:05:37.681 --> 0:05:38.481 I might give you something else. 0:05:38.521 --> 0:05:40.321 Oh of course. Then AI I can do things in 0:05:40.441 --> 0:05:42.361 micro seconds where they used to take at least an 0:05:42.401 --> 0:05:44.881 hour or so to do it. That happens, I can 0:05:44.961 --> 0:05:47.601 tell you now that does happen. I mean in the 0:05:47.681 --> 0:05:51.121 law fraternity, I mean they create documentation and charge hours 0:05:51.161 --> 0:05:53.721 and hours of work for it, but AI will just 0:05:54.161 --> 0:05:55.521 put it out within seconds. 0:05:55.881 --> 0:05:58.521 It is actually an amazing tool. I wonder, actually it's 0:05:58.601 --> 0:06:01.881 I don't imagine it's real, resulting in cheaper legal bills 0:06:01.921 --> 0:06:05.641 for people the case. Here are the facts, here's the 0:06:05.681 --> 0:06:08.801 interview together, a statement of claim, and then they just 0:06:08.881 --> 0:06:11.081 go and I mean it must be a massive time saving. 0:06:11.161 --> 0:06:13.201 Well, I think of your staff. I mentioned writing a 0:06:13.281 --> 0:06:15.881 news item. You know that would be very much easier 0:06:16.001 --> 0:06:17.121 using AI than it would be. 0:06:17.401 --> 0:06:19.601 Well, that's quite an art. I'm going to say that's 0:06:19.641 --> 0:06:21.561 an art just because I'm sure that I have never 0:06:21.641 --> 0:06:24.161 done it. Pretty strict rules about not going near that 0:06:24.241 --> 0:06:28.361 stuff to be so you just on that one. Yeah, 0:06:28.361 --> 0:06:32.761 it's just hush your pretty little mouth. But actually, how 0:06:33.641 --> 0:06:36.241 how realistic is it? And is that the biggest thing 0:06:36.361 --> 0:06:37.641 is at the moment, a lot if. 0:06:37.561 --> 0:06:39.801 People just do not prefer to work from home, A 0:06:39.841 --> 0:06:42.921 lot of employers now are insisting. So I'm asked constantly 0:06:43.041 --> 0:06:46.041 what's the law? Say, what what do I have to do? 0:06:46.641 --> 0:06:48.521 We have to go with the boss and go back 0:06:48.561 --> 0:06:50.641 to the workplace. Well, can I work from home? 0:06:51.001 --> 0:06:54.001 Well, to be honest, I would have thought that the 0:06:54.161 --> 0:06:56.241 law would be in the boss's favor, wouldn't it. I mean, 0:06:56.281 --> 0:06:58.481 if you're providing someone with a job, you've got a 0:06:58.561 --> 0:07:01.801 workplace you want them to work for work at I 0:07:01.841 --> 0:07:05.201 would have thought that it's only in the negotiation with 0:07:05.281 --> 0:07:07.241 an employee that would lead to them having a bit 0:07:07.281 --> 0:07:07.801 more leeway. 0:07:07.921 --> 0:07:10.681 Well, what it is, it's pre COVID. Anyone started before 0:07:10.721 --> 0:07:14.841 pre COVID. The employment agreement must stipulate where the workplace is. 0:07:15.361 --> 0:07:19.041 So all those documents before that were like workplaces some 0:07:19.161 --> 0:07:23.041 and so after COVID, employers were struggling to get the 0:07:23.121 --> 0:07:25.961 workers and so what they said, Oh there's an option here, 0:07:26.001 --> 0:07:28.001 you could work from home, and they've drafted that into 0:07:28.081 --> 0:07:31.561 employment agreements. So that document will dictate what they can do, 0:07:31.681 --> 0:07:32.921 what the employer can enforce. 0:07:33.281 --> 0:07:36.841 Okay, And what happens I mean is that the standard 0:07:36.881 --> 0:07:40.081 thing these days is that are people negotiating a certain 0:07:40.201 --> 0:07:41.601 amount of time that they work from home. 0:07:41.801 --> 0:07:44.121 Yep, there's a lot of preference to do that. Some 0:07:44.161 --> 0:07:46.441 people won't drive the work in the workplace, like yourself. 0:07:47.601 --> 0:07:50.721 I'd say, it's almost a generational thing. The younger ones. 0:07:51.521 --> 0:07:53.761 Let me go home and be near my children. Let 0:07:53.841 --> 0:07:55.601 me go home and be near my you know, the 0:07:55.721 --> 0:07:58.161 house gives me comfort, and I don't have to get 0:07:58.241 --> 0:08:00.961 dressed up as much, and you know, the makeup, I 0:08:01.001 --> 0:08:02.561 don't have to put on that sort of stuff. 0:08:02.801 --> 0:08:05.601 Yeah, I mean for me as well. I mean broadcasting 0:08:05.641 --> 0:08:07.921 it's a people business and I like to be around people. 0:08:08.081 --> 0:08:09.961 And I think, you know, just trying to walk into 0:08:10.001 --> 0:08:12.121 your into your office sort of thing and sit down 0:08:12.161 --> 0:08:14.321 and feel connected in a way that you wouldn't feel 0:08:14.321 --> 0:08:16.601 as we've got a newsroom of reporters. You can catch 0:08:16.681 --> 0:08:18.761 up with what the latest is. There's a certain I 0:08:19.361 --> 0:08:21.401 really yeah, I think that that's well. 0:08:21.521 --> 0:08:23.481 Let me tell you I worn't from them for twenty years, 0:08:23.841 --> 0:08:26.201 and I miss it. I missed the workplace for the 0:08:26.321 --> 0:08:28.921 exact reason you're talking about. I saw you just walk 0:08:28.961 --> 0:08:32.641 across the across the but you chatted to three people 0:08:32.681 --> 0:08:33.041 on the wall. 0:08:33.121 --> 0:08:33.961 I'm a pain in the butt. 0:08:34.841 --> 0:08:36.881 No, I think it's and you had them laughing. And 0:08:37.001 --> 0:08:39.201 I'm sitting back as a spectator watching this thing, and 0:08:39.521 --> 0:08:40.241 that's heartwarming. 0:08:41.601 --> 0:08:43.721 That's quite funny. I wonder if Elliot Smith sees me 0:08:43.761 --> 0:08:47.281 coming and goes areas it care comes to trouble, I 0:08:47.361 --> 0:08:50.881 do notice it. No, we had a brilliant and had 0:08:50.881 --> 0:08:52.881 a brilliant idea for a podcast for Elliott actually, but 0:08:52.921 --> 0:08:55.801 I won't share that because it's yeah, a good idea 0:08:56.561 --> 0:08:58.921 so we want to hear from you. You though, when 0:08:58.961 --> 0:09:02.761 it comes to work, what is you know, what are 0:09:02.801 --> 0:09:06.361 the things you value most about work? And is it 0:09:06.441 --> 0:09:09.081 a work life balance ahead of anything else Where does 0:09:09.161 --> 0:09:14.081 salary come in? Because look, let's be honest, we turn 0:09:14.201 --> 0:09:16.641 up to work to earn money to pay for the 0:09:16.721 --> 0:09:18.881 things we want, whether it be to support our kids, 0:09:19.521 --> 0:09:21.441 to put good food on the table. God, that's such 0:09:21.441 --> 0:09:23.561 a cliche, isn't it, But that's for many people. That's 0:09:23.601 --> 0:09:27.001 the basics. Pay the rent, feed your family, feed yourselves. 0:09:27.521 --> 0:09:29.441 Maybe if you're lucky, be able to afford to do 0:09:29.561 --> 0:09:32.281 something nice, if you've got a break and go somewhere 0:09:32.321 --> 0:09:38.281 on holiday. So salary, I'm still suspicious that salary isn't 0:09:39.361 --> 0:09:42.001 slightly more and just in terms of the rhetoric of 0:09:42.081 --> 0:09:46.161 people's responses, slightly more important. In other words, if your 0:09:46.241 --> 0:09:48.121 boss said to you, I'll tell you what we'll pay you. 0:09:48.801 --> 0:09:51.481 You know, look, if you're prepared to fore go one 0:09:51.561 --> 0:09:53.881 hundred bucks a week, we'll let you work from home 0:09:53.961 --> 0:09:55.561 three days a week. But otherwise we'll pay you a 0:09:55.601 --> 0:09:57.121 hundred dollars more a week to come and to work. 0:09:57.361 --> 0:09:58.881 In fact, actually there'll be a lot of people going 0:09:58.881 --> 0:10:00.841 all the parking, the transport. OK, I'll work from home. 0:10:01.001 --> 0:10:02.961 But you know what I mean? What is king for 0:10:03.081 --> 0:10:06.681 you in the workplace? Is it salary? Is other benefits? 0:10:06.881 --> 0:10:08.801 Is it the fact that I don't know, your employer 0:10:09.241 --> 0:10:11.641 gives you access to cheaper healthcare, but they see that's money. 0:10:12.561 --> 0:10:15.521 Is it the fact that you've got career development or 0:10:15.761 --> 0:10:16.801 even job security? 0:10:17.081 --> 0:10:21.001 Isn't a theory since COVID. COVID actually supplied made sure 0:10:21.121 --> 0:10:24.521 salary was paid to people even irrespective they went to work. Also, 0:10:24.961 --> 0:10:28.081 it's a parachute for them. There's a comfort zone. There's 0:10:28.121 --> 0:10:32.721 also today you can get the unemployment benefit. Whereas you 0:10:32.881 --> 0:10:35.881 talk to older people, you were the breadwinner, you had 0:10:35.961 --> 0:10:39.321 to go to work, otherwise your family suffered immensely. 0:10:40.161 --> 0:10:42.481 Yeah, so we would love to know from you if 0:10:42.521 --> 0:10:44.601 you're listening. By the way, if you've got any questions 0:10:44.641 --> 0:10:46.881 for Max, he's an employment law specialist and often people 0:10:46.921 --> 0:10:48.761 call up because they're having a particular problem they need 0:10:48.801 --> 0:10:51.001 to resolve and how do they get started with the 0:10:51.041 --> 0:10:53.281 resolving the problem they've got. You're welcome to give us 0:10:53.281 --> 0:10:55.401 a call on that as well. On eight hundred and 0:10:55.401 --> 0:10:57.481 eighty ten to eighty. But on the broader topic. We're 0:10:57.521 --> 0:11:01.001 talking about what is the most important thing about work 0:11:01.081 --> 0:11:04.161 for you and what's the work life balance that is 0:11:04.241 --> 0:11:07.561 important to you? A head of salary, benefits, career development, 0:11:07.641 --> 0:11:10.081 and even job security. Give us a call eight hundred 0:11:10.161 --> 0:11:12.561 eighty ten eighty. I mean, are you like me? Do 0:11:12.601 --> 0:11:16.641 you actually like to go to work because you like 0:11:16.801 --> 0:11:18.441 to be with the people who you work with. You 0:11:18.561 --> 0:11:21.081 enjoy working with them, you enjoy the environment. Is that 0:11:21.201 --> 0:11:22.881 an important part of it? Or you know what if 0:11:22.881 --> 0:11:25.521 you could do it all from home, wouldn't that be great? 0:11:26.081 --> 0:11:29.561 Eight hundred eighty ten eighties the number text nine two 0:11:29.721 --> 0:11:32.241 nine two? How so do you work? Where do you 0:11:32.281 --> 0:11:32.761 work from? 0:11:32.801 --> 0:11:32.921 Now? 0:11:33.001 --> 0:11:33.241 Max? 0:11:33.361 --> 0:11:33.761 From home? 0:11:34.281 --> 0:11:34.601 Okay? 0:11:35.001 --> 0:11:36.641 So and look, I was going to end something else 0:11:36.681 --> 0:11:41.641 here for older people already getting a pension for example, 0:11:41.721 --> 0:11:44.321 but they want to work and why it gives them 0:11:44.401 --> 0:11:46.681 purpose in life. It gives them a standing in the 0:11:46.761 --> 0:11:49.321 community and they can hold their head up with some pride. 0:11:49.641 --> 0:11:52.961 I'm actually contributing to our society. Yeah, I'm not just taking. 0:11:53.721 --> 0:11:56.281 Actually, that is the extra question to it as well, 0:11:56.401 --> 0:12:00.361 because if you are working past sixty five, is so 0:12:00.801 --> 0:12:03.201 so many more people are doing these days? What is 0:12:03.241 --> 0:12:06.161 it about your job that makes it doable simply, Look, 0:12:06.521 --> 0:12:08.281 I need the money and I just have to have 0:12:08.401 --> 0:12:11.001 to work. Or is it because you've created the conditions 0:12:11.081 --> 0:12:13.241 at work that work for you? And look, why would 0:12:13.241 --> 0:12:16.321 you stop because you're enjoying it? Eighty ten eighty text 0:12:16.841 --> 0:12:19.921 nine to nine two and you can email. I don't 0:12:19.921 --> 0:12:21.321 worry about the email. I'm not going to get round 0:12:21.321 --> 0:12:23.041 of the email. I'll be heading out of the office 0:12:23.041 --> 0:12:25.161 on holiday in about forty. 0:12:24.921 --> 0:12:26.961 Minutes'll be back. 0:12:27.121 --> 0:12:30.121 No, I'm not, I'm working hard. It's it's eighteen minutes 0:12:30.121 --> 0:12:47.961 past five. News talk said by that's right, we're back 0:12:48.361 --> 0:12:50.961 weekend collective. It's a smart money My guess is Max 0:12:50.961 --> 0:12:53.561 white Head, employment law specialist. We're asking what's the most 0:12:53.601 --> 0:12:55.681 important thing and you work deal? Basically is it about 0:12:55.681 --> 0:12:57.601 the money or is it about the work work life balance? 0:12:57.601 --> 0:13:01.081 Because apparently, according to survey results, workers are saying it's 0:13:01.161 --> 0:13:04.201 work life balance ahead of salary, benefits, career development or 0:13:04.241 --> 0:13:08.761 even job secure, which sounds like I don't know. I 0:13:09.361 --> 0:13:10.841 want to be skeptical about it, but you've got to 0:13:10.881 --> 0:13:12.321 go with these things. Let's take your cause. 0:13:13.121 --> 0:13:16.001 John, Hello, Hey John? Yeah? 0:13:16.041 --> 0:13:20.561 Okoday, guys, how are you? Yeah, I'm Look, I'm an 0:13:20.561 --> 0:13:24.841 older worker. I'm I'm, you know, sixty six and continuing 0:13:24.921 --> 0:13:28.201 to work. I spent I came back from the UK 0:13:28.361 --> 0:13:31.241 in late twenty twenty two, was up there during COVID 0:13:31.241 --> 0:13:35.001 and everything else. You know, I think everybody's situation is different. 0:13:35.121 --> 0:13:38.881 But working from home, yeah, I guess works in some industries, 0:13:38.961 --> 0:13:41.641 but I think I think by large, you know, I 0:13:41.681 --> 0:13:43.401 think it's great to be back in the office. I 0:13:43.521 --> 0:13:45.761 spent a lot of years on the road and now 0:13:45.881 --> 0:13:48.721 I'm I'm still in the sales environment, but I'm going 0:13:48.761 --> 0:13:50.761 to one place every day, and to me, it's about 0:13:50.801 --> 0:13:54.401 the community of going there. Staff there are fantastic. But 0:13:54.601 --> 0:13:56.161 the other side of it, for me, at the age 0:13:56.201 --> 0:13:58.401 i'm at the thing I cherish the most. I can 0:13:58.481 --> 0:14:00.841 go into work in the morning, do a really good job, 0:14:01.001 --> 0:14:02.761 and mean when I leave at five, I leave it 0:14:02.801 --> 0:14:06.081 all behind. That's really important to me. Whereas other roles 0:14:06.121 --> 0:14:08.801 I've had passed, you know, you sort of you know, 0:14:08.961 --> 0:14:10.361 do what you do for a couple of hours. You've 0:14:10.361 --> 0:14:14.561 got the lamptop out happen away doing stuff. So so yeah, 0:14:14.641 --> 0:14:17.921 that's the difference to me, you know. But I'm going 0:14:18.001 --> 0:14:20.121 to do another two or three years still enjoying working. 0:14:21.161 --> 0:14:24.401 Yeah, that's yeah, that's an interesting point. What are you 0:14:24.681 --> 0:14:26.561 what's your reflections on that, Max, Because you don't tell 0:14:26.561 --> 0:14:28.561 you if you if you're working from home, it's you 0:14:28.641 --> 0:14:31.201 can't really leave you how the challenge is to leave 0:14:31.241 --> 0:14:31.561 you work. 0:14:32.001 --> 0:14:35.161 I'm thinking slow, I'm thinking John's valuing it and tell 0:14:35.241 --> 0:14:38.281 me John if this is correct, because you've your experience, 0:14:38.361 --> 0:14:41.441 you've been around. But also it's it provides you with 0:14:41.601 --> 0:14:44.441 dignity and a social outlet as well. And it sounds 0:14:44.521 --> 0:14:47.041 like working with your colleagues is something that you do enjoy, 0:14:47.401 --> 0:14:49.601 even though you might not spend hours talking about stuff 0:14:49.641 --> 0:14:52.641 and just you know, social things. It's just been near 0:14:52.721 --> 0:14:55.481 someone else and actually being able to just have a 0:14:55.601 --> 0:14:57.481 chat when you feel like it about something else. 0:14:59.521 --> 0:15:02.561 Yeah, that's that's that's right. That my situation that that's 0:15:02.561 --> 0:15:04.641 certainly right. And maybe maybe because I didn't spend a 0:15:04.641 --> 0:15:06.801 lot of time on the road, you know, for for 0:15:06.881 --> 0:15:08.681 quite a lot of years. You know, being being in 0:15:08.761 --> 0:15:10.601 the one place is quite important. 0:15:10.201 --> 0:15:10.601 To me now. 0:15:11.521 --> 0:15:14.201 But so I enjoy all the that. But but again 0:15:14.561 --> 0:15:16.961 I'm not working necessarily because I have to, but I 0:15:17.041 --> 0:15:19.401 still I still enjoy the challenge going to work, and 0:15:19.841 --> 0:15:22.201 you know, I've got plenty of other communities outside of work, 0:15:22.281 --> 0:15:24.881 but it works worth something. I'm still enjoying. 0:15:24.961 --> 0:15:27.561 So John, you and your work when your work life, 0:15:27.561 --> 0:15:30.361 I can imagine you're driving for for what eighty percent 0:15:30.401 --> 0:15:31.881 of the time? Was seventy percent of the time of 0:15:31.961 --> 0:15:34.561 ninety twenty percent with people? Would that be right? 0:15:35.601 --> 0:15:35.801 Yeah? 0:15:35.881 --> 0:15:39.241 Probably seventy Probably, you're right, it's probably seventy thirty, you know. 0:15:39.441 --> 0:15:41.841 And that's a lot of that's a lot of dead time, 0:15:41.921 --> 0:15:43.841 even though you've got to go and see customers. It's 0:15:43.841 --> 0:15:46.681 a lot of dead time on your backside, you know. 0:15:46.801 --> 0:15:49.401 And it's and it's and it's yeah, you know, I've 0:15:49.761 --> 0:15:52.241 traveled a lot, you know, I stay at hotels called 0:15:52.281 --> 0:15:54.761 aeroplanes here there, and people think that it's. 0:15:54.681 --> 0:15:59.761 A lonely light. It's a lonely Yeah, yeah, good role. 0:16:00.041 --> 0:16:03.041 Thanks John. Cheers mate. There lots of ticks on this 0:16:03.121 --> 0:16:05.361 before you go to Catherine, is it. I don't know 0:16:05.441 --> 0:16:08.561 what this one is. Somebody says, if you fall over 0:16:08.641 --> 0:16:11.281 at work at home during work hours, is that classed 0:16:11.321 --> 0:16:13.961 as a workplace accident? Trivial sort of weird question, but 0:16:14.361 --> 0:16:15.441 then again not really. 0:16:16.441 --> 0:16:18.161 Yeah, and it's a hard one because really you have 0:16:18.241 --> 0:16:20.641 to associate it with the work that you're actually doing 0:16:20.681 --> 0:16:22.801 at home. So if you're sitting and talking on the phone, 0:16:22.801 --> 0:16:26.161 for example, or you're sitting at your desk and working, well, 0:16:26.201 --> 0:16:28.201 then tripping while you're walking is probably not. 0:16:28.201 --> 0:16:29.881 Put Well, if you're going to get your cup of 0:16:29.921 --> 0:16:31.921 coffee for Smoko time and you stand up and you 0:16:32.001 --> 0:16:33.481 fall over and you wack your head on the desk, 0:16:33.521 --> 0:16:35.161 and I know that sounds like a workplace. 0:16:34.841 --> 0:16:36.121 I know you're right him, because if you did at 0:16:36.121 --> 0:16:38.601 the workplace, then it would be deemed to be work 0:16:38.801 --> 0:16:41.841 related accident. Yeah, So it depends on how. 0:16:42.441 --> 0:16:44.481 If you've gone up to change your child's nappies and 0:16:44.801 --> 0:16:46.921 you know, something happens or something and you slip over, 0:16:47.041 --> 0:16:48.601 then probably not a workplace action. 0:16:48.761 --> 0:16:50.961 Or your previous guest they're not taking a jog at 0:16:51.001 --> 0:16:53.441 the time, maybe that wouldn't work either. So it just 0:16:53.681 --> 0:16:55.721 just depends on what you're doing, I think, and what's 0:16:55.761 --> 0:16:56.321 it related to. 0:16:56.561 --> 0:16:59.041 We can probably imagine quite a few scenarios and interesting 0:16:59.081 --> 0:17:04.081 scenarios we can throw max for different questions. It actually 0:17:04.121 --> 0:17:05.881 I got yes, Now I'm going to send some myself 0:17:05.921 --> 0:17:07.081 on that one. Let's go to Catherine. 0:17:07.121 --> 0:17:10.201 Hello, Hello Catherine, Hi, how are you deceiving? 0:17:10.881 --> 0:17:11.241 Very good? 0:17:11.321 --> 0:17:11.561 Thank you. 0:17:12.521 --> 0:17:15.921 I'm ringing in because on talk about radio this week, 0:17:15.961 --> 0:17:20.721 I've been hearing about how the superannuation government to granuation 0:17:21.041 --> 0:17:27.041 is actually a benefit. And I am seventy one years 0:17:27.041 --> 0:17:30.401 old this year, and I am still working three days 0:17:30.441 --> 0:17:33.521 a week and tens worked on seventy five. I've paid 0:17:33.601 --> 0:17:35.121 my taxes through the years. 0:17:35.361 --> 0:17:36.481 I work three jobs. 0:17:36.601 --> 0:17:38.521 When I was younger, sought I could buy my first time, 0:17:40.201 --> 0:17:42.961 and at this point in time, I'm paying secondary employment tax, 0:17:43.121 --> 0:17:46.681 actually high secondary I employment tax on my second job, 0:17:46.921 --> 0:17:49.601 so I kin't it's my job other than my attention. 0:17:50.281 --> 0:17:52.961 So I sort of get a bit resentful about people 0:17:53.201 --> 0:17:56.721 calling us greedy and everything else. And even those people 0:17:56.801 --> 0:17:59.161 on high are much higher wages than I given been 0:17:59.201 --> 0:18:02.641 on They've been paying higher taxes normally, so their contribution 0:18:03.041 --> 0:18:08.961 to the pension system has been greater than most. But 0:18:09.121 --> 0:18:12.081 I just I just sort of have been thinking all 0:18:12.161 --> 0:18:14.321 week about some of the discussions on it. Football tonight, 0:18:14.401 --> 0:18:17.721 I'm just going to ring and say, not all of 0:18:17.801 --> 0:18:19.841 it are out there working because we're greedy. 0:18:21.441 --> 0:18:22.841 No, you're doing it because you need it. 0:18:23.841 --> 0:18:25.001 You can't live on the pinch. 0:18:25.201 --> 0:18:25.801 No, you can't. 0:18:25.881 --> 0:18:29.521 And I do have savings and I'm mortgage free, but 0:18:30.881 --> 0:18:33.641 I work in a job that doesn't have all the 0:18:33.761 --> 0:18:37.961 KPIs budget mine budget that I used to have, and 0:18:38.521 --> 0:18:40.761 I work with amazing people in a family firm. 0:18:43.601 --> 0:18:46.841 Point, Catherine, how would you feel if if there was 0:18:46.961 --> 0:18:50.001 three people lined up who had children at home and 0:18:50.521 --> 0:18:53.561 they needed a job desperately and were skilled as equally 0:18:53.601 --> 0:18:55.841 as good as you? I woul dare say, you're still 0:18:55.841 --> 0:18:58.281 working at seventy one. You've got some a lot of 0:18:58.321 --> 0:18:59.561 wisdom and knowledge of your job. 0:18:59.641 --> 0:19:01.921 But oh well yes, yeah, yeah, but. 0:19:03.561 --> 0:19:06.761 Well I feel I mean, they're. 0:19:06.561 --> 0:19:08.721 More deserving than you. That's probably the better question. 0:19:09.401 --> 0:19:13.121 Well, I don't think so, because I think I've paid 0:19:13.361 --> 0:19:16.921 my juris over the years to be able to do 0:19:17.321 --> 0:19:18.841