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Speaker 1: Berries in the house. Berry, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah I could be in the house. I was

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Speaker 2: down at Wellington. But I see that if you want

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Speaker 2: to go and visit and watch the proceedings, you're not

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Speaker 2: allowed to for the rest of the year. As you say, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: it is a pity because a lot of people do

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Speaker 2: turn up to have a look at the politicians behave

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Speaker 2: and it's because of those your bows yesterday, the pro

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Speaker 2: Palestinian lot. They were outside as well, so why on

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Speaker 2: if they had to.

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Speaker 1: Take it inside attention seeking?

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Speaker 2: Well, totally. I'm surprised that Jerry Browney didn't actually clear

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Speaker 2: the public gallery immediately.

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Speaker 1: Can you remember the gallery being closed like that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it has been closed before.

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Speaker 1: It has been closed before, but hopefully not for too

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Speaker 1: much longer. I think they said till Christmas. So the

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Speaker 1: Green Sea a sinister side in scrapping the rm A.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's incredible when you you know, arguably the

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Speaker 2: most significant attack on red tape and cumbersome rules and

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Speaker 2: regulations that we've seen, like Chris Boship said, in a generation.

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Speaker 2: But the Greens who took a four percent dive in

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Speaker 2: the one used varying poll this week, we're on the

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Speaker 2: feed in Parliament today suggesting something sinister he is co

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Speaker 2: Green's leader Marlama Davidson pointing her in the farious finger

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Speaker 2: at Chris Luxon.

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Speaker 3: Was any analysis done as to whether ministers or MPs

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Speaker 3: would benefit from this? And if not, why not? And

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Speaker 3: answer to the first question, we haven't done that. Does

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Speaker 3: he have confidence then that no ministers or government members

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Speaker 3: hold consents that will benefit from these blanket extensions? And

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Speaker 3: if so, on what basis.

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Speaker 2: I have confidence that we manage our conflicts appropriately?

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Speaker 4: Point of order of funeral sham Jones.

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Speaker 3: Not only was a wild allegation made about members of

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Speaker 3: this side of the house, then further.

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Speaker 4: Unproven, reckless statements were permitted.

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Speaker 3: There was mostly an inference in a question, but not

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Speaker 3: a wild allegation, and I think it was adequately answered.

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Speaker 1: And what a waste of time.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, honestly talk about conspiracy theories as if

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Speaker 2: you had set about taking apart this massive piece of

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Speaker 2: legislation and going hang on, you've got you're waiting for

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Speaker 2: a consent your minister is.

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Speaker 1: Mean, it's ridiculous, pat But also does she assume that

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Speaker 1: Labor was guilty of the same crime when they took there's.

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Speaker 2: A place, Yeah, not as successfully.

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Speaker 1: And was Labor really kept in the dark on these

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Speaker 1: changes to begin with?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what they said. They've said they were kept

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Speaker 2: in the dark. But I'd say hang on a mo

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Speaker 2: to that one. The bill's architect, Chris Bishop has said

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Speaker 2: he consulted with Labor on the charges or on the

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Speaker 2: changes he's made. Have a listened to Carmel Seppaloni on

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Speaker 2: that one.

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Speaker 4: He has had a number of briefings. You know, I'll

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Speaker 4: give him that, but I mean it was dropped at

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Speaker 4: one pm yesterday. But I mean it was dropped at

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Speaker 4: one pm yesterday and then now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: you know, we've still got to take it away and

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Speaker 4: consider it. So some of what's in there we expected

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Speaker 4: and we need a chance to be able to look

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Speaker 4: over it thoroughly.

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Speaker 2: That was Carmel Seppaloni on our opposite number are in

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Speaker 2: z this morning on their political panel. The idea that

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Speaker 2: they poach from us, of course the Ginny and Mark,

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Speaker 2: which I think is much more entertaining. But talk about

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Speaker 2: having your Christmas cake and eating it too. I mean

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Speaker 2: I did edit twice that she said it because I

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Speaker 2: wanted you to basically hear her coming back on herself.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what more did they expect a lot? Obviously,

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Speaker 2: are like credit for having a look at it while

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Speaker 2: they were in government and then sitting on their hands.

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Speaker 2: Honestly exactly talk about lose the argument.

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Speaker 3: Although I do.

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Speaker 1: Think there's some mirit and politicians holding far unlike sometimes

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Speaker 1: I like it when they don't give you an immediate

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Speaker 1: hot take and immediate put. You know where they say,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go away and I'm going to read

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Speaker 1: this properly and come back with a view.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a such because you don't know what

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Speaker 2: you've been briefed on.

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Speaker 1: I suppose in this case that might be true. Now,

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Speaker 1: this debate between Nichola Willison Ruth Richardson is probably going

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Speaker 1: to happen next week.

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Speaker 2: Well we don't know, do we, But certainly Nichola Willis

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Speaker 2: has thrown down the gauntlet. I liked her analysis on

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of the program because it is right

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Speaker 2: the far right. A lot of people don't remember that

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Speaker 2: not only is Ruth Richardson the chair of the Taxpayers

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Speaker 2: Union that's setting out to take Nikola Willis apart, she

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Speaker 2: was the architect of the mother of all budgets. She

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Speaker 2: was the first woman finance minister to present a budget

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Speaker 2: in this country and it's one that will never forget.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you only have to look at what

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Speaker 2: she did in that budget, she cut welfare benefits, the

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Speaker 2: unemployment benefit by about twenty five percent. That in those

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Speaker 2: days was fourteen dollars a week. Doesn't sound like much,

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Speaker 2: but it was probably quite a bit then I remember it,

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Speaker 2: not that I was on a benefit. Of course, the

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Speaker 2: secondest benefit she cut around twenty percent, and that was

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Speaker 2: twenty seven dollars a week, and support for families was reduced,

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Speaker 2: basically the whole family benefit was changed. So really, I

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Speaker 2: think I think it'll be quite an interesting between these two.

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Speaker 2: And you know, in fairness to Ruth Richardson, she was

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Speaker 2: a hard ass, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: And it was to make friends, to make friends. Hey,

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Speaker 1: the fudge chocolate thing for the taxpasion as well. I've

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Speaker 1: been told that I wasn't meant to mention it because

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Speaker 1: it's embargo till tomorrow. Oh dear, And you've eaten your fudge,

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Speaker 1: eaten my fudge hand in the cookie jar.

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Speaker 2: You've had your cake and eat as well, So there you.

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