1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Well, I wed do Ellen Davies last on the program 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: thirteen years ago for goodness sake, So a lot of 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: water under that bridge Jonathan creek Quy made in the 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: household name. Of course, the stand up started back in 5 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: the eighties, so it's coming up forty years now. He's 6 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: touring Australia later on this year and we'll talk about 7 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: that in his autobiography is just out called White Males 8 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Stand Up. Ellen Davies back. Well, this good morning, Good 9 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: morning to you, my little bit of housekeeping. First of all, 10 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: I've studied extensively your Australian tour which is coming up. 11 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: You realize we are in New Zealand, of course, and 12 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: this will make sense eventually. So your Australian tour is 13 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: very extensive. And I'm thinking to myself, where are the 14 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: New Zealand dates, and Ellen, there are no New Zealand dates. 15 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: The twenty twenty six it's going to be July and 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 2: August twenty twenty six on New Zealand tour. 17 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: All fantastic. So you're doing Australia for Christmas and then 18 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: you're coming back again. 19 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: Exactly that I'm coming over again. I could have done it. 20 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: I couldn't do it all in one hit, and I 21 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: didn't want to do half Australian half in New Zealand, 22 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: so it's dedicated time for me in July and August. 23 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: Fantastic the stand up you're doing, it's well by the 24 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: time you get to Australia and eventually US. It's well worked. 25 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: It's a good show, it feels good, it's been well received. 26 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. I worked it out over the last year or 27 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: two really, but particularly recently at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: and I had a couple of weeks there. I hadn't 29 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: done a show there for ten years and I'm going 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: on tour in the UK started next week, some dates 31 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: in Australia and then next year New Zealand and more 32 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 2: UK dates. So yeah, it worked out well. It's up 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: and running, and much of it it's been functioning in 34 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: comedy clubs for a while, but I've tried to make 35 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: a more complete show out of it and I appeared 36 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: to have gone away with it. 37 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: You've gone away. 38 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: Are you nervous? Do you get nervous because I'll come 39 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: to the other part of this, which is for a 40 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: stand up comedian, you take large gaps between shows don't you. 41 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: You've got so much going on. 42 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do get nervous, and that this show's more 43 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: personal show, and so dealing with subjects that I hadn't 44 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: really faced in the past, and some things from my 45 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: childhood that were difficult and what have you. 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 3: So I've tried. I wasn't sure how that would work, but. 47 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: I found that provided you provide enough laughs about erectile dysfunction, 48 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: you can talk about almost anything you want. And that 49 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: has been my approach, and so far, so good. 50 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: Hasn't got easier for you the more successful you've become. 51 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: Not really, it doesn't seem to affect that, except I 52 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: think it helps with ticket sales if you have a 53 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: television profile, definitely. 54 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: But the people who come now, they've got a lot 55 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: of choice. 56 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: There's a lot of comedians touring, and there are comedians 57 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: with much higher TV profiles than. 58 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: Me these days. But my audience are loyal and they're 59 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 3: aging with me. 60 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: And recently I had a show where someone's phone alarm 61 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: went off in their handbag in row to and this 62 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: gray head was rammaging around and everyone went quiet, and 63 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: I said, is that to remind you to take your medication? 64 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 2: And she said, yes, So it was the biggest laugh 65 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: of the night. And then we had to wait for 66 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: her to find her pills. That took longer than finding 67 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: the phone, but the audience agreed with me. 68 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: You've got to take them. 69 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: You're going to take them otherwise you'll forget and then 70 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: tomorrow you can't have a double dose. 71 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: So you know, humor changes. 72 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: That's what I find I was I was reading your 73 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: book and what I like, what I what I sort 74 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: of didn't realize having followed you for years. What I 75 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: didn't realize is just how much work you've done. You know, 76 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: suddenly I'm reading a chapter You're lying on a bit 77 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: of nails in New York, and I thought, what the 78 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: hell's this about? All the amount of work you've done 79 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: is extraordinary. 80 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: Well, it's been over a long time. I mean the 81 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: book it's. 82 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: Called White Male Stand Up, which is what I started 83 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: out as just a stand up comic, and I did 84 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: that for five very happy years in the late eighties 85 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: early nineties, and from there opportunities started to come because 86 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: I always wanted to act, so I got the chance 87 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: to audit for Jonathan Creek, I got the chance to 88 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: do panel games, and then various The Bed and Nails 89 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: thing was a documentary about Houdini that came out of 90 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: the blue. I did another documentary about John Lennon. I 91 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: got to go to New York. So sometimes things come 92 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: along and you can't believe your luck, you know, But 93 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: it's spread out, it's spread out over a number of years. 94 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: What I found in my in my career is normally 95 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: there's five things going on at once or nothing. Now. 96 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: Now the reference you reference difficult times in your life, now, 97 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: if you haven't read your book, it's more than that, 98 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: isn't it? The abuse of your father? I mean it's 99 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: a very serious business. And and and the obvious question 100 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: is how do you put that into a show and 101 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: make people up? I mean, how do you do that? 102 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: Well, it's not easy. 103 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: I mean I was abused by my father as a child, 104 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: and and I talk about that in my stand up show. 105 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: And I and I and I had to say to 106 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 3: the audience. 107 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: And you might find out this subject matter uncomfortable, and 108 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: you may feel like you're less an audience and more 109 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: in a hostage situation. 110 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: Now, but we are. 111 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: In this area and good to talk about it because 112 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 2: I know a lot of you have had the same experience. 113 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: That's my feeling is if generally my oh, my comedy career, 114 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: I thought, but if it's happened to me or I'm 115 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 2: thinking of it, it's happened to a lot. 116 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: Of the audience as well. Well. That's certainly the case 117 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 3: with bereavement and childhood trauma and difficult things. 118 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 2: So if I talk about some of the other know 119 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: about this, I think, if I'm a cake then and 120 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: I'm putting the cake on stage, it's a bit more 121 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: decorated on stage, but I don't want to leave out 122 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 2: loads of the ingredients. 123 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: I want it to be who I am. 124 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: And that's been a long journey to get to that, 125 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: because that certainly wasn't what I was doing in my twenties. 126 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: I was without and out people pleaser, and I was 127 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: pretty good at it. I was funny, but it was 128 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: very superficial. 129 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: Does your cultural standing in Britain make you or did 130 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: it make you feel more comfortable to go there and 131 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: talk so publicly about it? 132 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: No? 133 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 3: Not really. It was so. 134 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: You think you would have done it no matter how 135 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: successful you had or had not been. 136 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: I think it took me a long time, and I 137 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: think it's quite common for men and boys to be 138 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: assaulted or abused, or to have some issue up there. 139 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: Surprisingly so, and it's very common for men to hang 140 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: onto these stories on average twenty five years, and it's 141 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: not uncommon for men in their forties and fifties to 142 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: tell a loved one or a friend or a therapist 143 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: or someone, there's something happened to me when I was 144 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 2: a child, and I've never told anyone, and I think 145 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: that that was how I felt, and I really wanted 146 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: to get it out of my head and onto the page. 147 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: And that's when I wrote my book, Just Ignore Him. 148 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: And the new book is a follow on. Really, it's 149 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: kind of part two to that book. It takes me 150 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: because I imagine for years that the past is behind 151 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: you and the futures in front right. You're you're going 152 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: somewhere else in life, and you're leaving things behind. 153 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 3: And it takes a while to realize that isn't that 154 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: isn't the case. 155 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: You're just you're It goes with you and you've got 156 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 2: to face things eventually, and it's good to talk. So 157 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: that's it took me a while, and it took me 158 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: a while. I didn't even know. Actually I did a 159 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: writing course a creative writing course, and I thought I 160 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: was going to I started to write about it there, 161 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: and I thought it would stay on the course. I 162 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: thought i'd get it out of me and i'd get 163 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: to a master's degree, which I was very proud of, 164 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: and that would be it. And then I thought, actually, 165 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: I'm onto something. I started to write some chapters and 166 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: it became a book later. 167 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, because on the writer's course, you were submitting your 168 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: work anonymously, right. 169 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: Initially, Yeah, exactly that. And even then, even I was 170 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: fifty years old and I was worried about revealing my 171 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: story about my father. So and I've certainly never talked 172 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: about it in stand up, but I found a way 173 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: to incorporate it in the show. 174 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: I found a way to. 175 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: Take the audience there for a little bit, bring them back, 176 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: keep the laughs going, but give her fuller picture of 177 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:00,559 Speaker 2: a person life. 178 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: You know, I can't quite just help us out here. 179 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: The drinking, and I don't want to turn this into 180 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: a therapy session, but the drinking. The difficulties with your marriage. 181 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: Was that about fame or what had happened previously, or 182 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: a combination of everything. 183 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: I think a combination of everything. But I certainly think 184 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: that I used drinking to cope with stress and anxiety 185 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: at times. And again it's a very common experience that 186 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: people can relate to. And I think if you have 187 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: a press in need to have a drink, it's probably. 188 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 3: The time to not have one, you know. 189 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: So nowadays I'm able to manage things much better and 190 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: periods of abstinence and managing how much and when, But 191 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: it's still always there, and it's an addictive substance, you know. 192 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 2: But I think when I look back, I think, or 193 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: when did that kick in? It kicked him when I 194 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: was becoming very recognizable where there was a period in 195 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: the late nineties where I was very recognizable to a 196 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: lot of people, and that really wasn't ready for that 197 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: at all. Now there's no kind of training course for 198 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: that part. 199 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: It's a funny thing, isn't it? Because what you one 200 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: of the funniest stories is that you were amazed when 201 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: you were starting in the eighties how many white blokes 202 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: were out there in Britain looking to grab a microphone 203 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: as all the comedy clubs opened up. And what's that about? 204 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: What is that? An ego thing? Is that? 205 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: You know? 206 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: How come there are so many poems who just want 207 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: to stand on a stage and try and be funny. 208 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. 209 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: And my wife's very funny about this because when she 210 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: frequently she didn't know I was a comedian. 211 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: When we met, she was come to a QI recording, and. 212 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: Then when I went back to stand up. We've been 213 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: together six years and I went back to stand up, 214 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: but she came to see a show, which fortunately she 215 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: found very funny, and then she said, he's actually quite 216 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: disappointed that I hadn't revealed this side of myself before. 217 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: Might have been nice around the house to have some 218 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: of this sense of humor that you seem to be 219 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: keeping under a bushel. But she sometimes you go to 220 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 2: a comedy club and a couple of blokes are going 221 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: up and they're not funny, and she'll sit next to 222 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: you go, why why they why do they get up? 223 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: Who's told them they're funny? Who's given them the wrong 224 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 3: idea so that can happen. 225 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: I also think I think it's more common nowadays on 226 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: YouTube channels. It's just hundreds and hundreds of these blokes 227 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 2: yelling into their computers and their content is of no interest. 228 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: Please stop posting it? 229 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: Well, it worked out okay for you? Are you at 230 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: peace now in terms of just the you know, the fame, 231 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: the whole, the whole thing. It's out there. You've talked, 232 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: you're funny, you're successful. It's all cream on the cake time. 233 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: And I think it's just you're never quite right somehow, 234 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: if you've had such difficult childhood stuff, it's just it's 235 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: just there all the time. 236 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: So but I mean, I would say as a generally, 237 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: I would. 238 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: Say yes, because I'm very I'm very happy in the 239 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: family that I've found for myself with Katie and the kids. 240 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 3: I don't know how happy they are. 241 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: That's a different interview for you. 242 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 3: We enjoy it, we enjoy it. 243 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: Well, that's good. How do the kids take I mean, 244 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: how much of the kids know in public profile or 245 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: you know? What do you tell them? 246 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: I think they've got I've got fifteen and fourteen, and 247 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: they certainly, as they say, searched me up. But I 248 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: haven't shown them my books yet. My daughter's sixteen in December. 249 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: She's pretty smart and she's got an idea and she 250 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: and I think Katie's spoke to her a bit, but 251 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: they're not ready yet to read this stuff. But it's 252 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: partly for them that I've written these books. You know, 253 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 2: there's a it's a story of who I am and 254 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: where I've come from and what I've done. And when 255 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: I'm sort of craggy and need to be shoved around 256 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: in a chair, God, will I get to that point, 257 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: I would have forgotten it all and they'll be able 258 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: to say, send your book, Send your book, you silly 259 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: old fool. 260 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: Listen, you have a great it's a great book. And 261 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: congratulations on and have a great tour of Australia. And 262 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad. Apart from anything, we got the news that 263 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,599 Speaker 1: you're coming to New Zealand, so we'll look forward to 264 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: talking to you. 265 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 3: Then maybe see you in person next year. 266 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: Fantastic, all right, go well, Ellen David's White Male stand 267 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: up and coming to July August next year. 268 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 269 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 270 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.