1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: What's in a paint job. Well, Perema Remo prison houses 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: the country's MOCE notorious criminals. Of course, the theory is 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: if you slap some colorful designs and shapes on the walls, 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: you'll lift the quote oppressive surroundings. Now, this apparently all 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: came out of concerns from the Chief Onwoodsman's report last 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: December about cruel and humane and degrading conditions. Lee marsh 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: Is Corrections Custodial Services Commissioner and is Weather this morning. 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike. 9 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: So it's one thing to have a report, I guess 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: it's another thing to go after might attend to buy 11 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: a whole lot of buckets of ten litre paint. How 12 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: does this thing unfold? You know, from the report to this, 13 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: How did we get here? 14 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 2: Well, this is actually part of a much broader piece 15 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 2: of work. To just one small part of it. We're 16 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: looking at a range of combination of both maintenance and 17 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 2: improvements to the safety and security of the whole environment. 18 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: And just being clear, this isn't isn't just around at 19 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: the prisoners. Whilst we've had that feedback around the oppressive 20 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: nature of a very stark and basic scheme within that environment. 21 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: We've also got to appreciate that our staff and a 22 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: lot of other workers work in that environment too, so 23 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: we want to make that as as good and conducive 24 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: for them as possible. 25 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: Who designs what it looks like? 26 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: Well, the color schemes and the designs are pulled together 27 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: buying in house design team as part of others, say 28 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 2: a much broader piece of work. We've had a range 29 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: of people at work in that environment and visit the environment, 30 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: input into that, and that's where we've come up with 31 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: what is, quite frankly, a very basic geometric design that 32 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: enables us to maintain it and keep it, keep it 33 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 2: in a good state for longer. 34 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: Is it design that's the key or the color? 35 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: I think there's a combination of both. So what to 36 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 2: be really clear here, when we talk about murials, we're 37 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 2: not talking about pictures of people and landscapes. We're talking 38 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: about a range of colors that kind of more natural colors, 39 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 2: sort of hues of blues and greens, And we're talking 40 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: about geometric triangles that to the franct look a little 41 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: bit like trees. But we keep them nice and simple 42 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: because they're all done with stencils and inevitably, this is 43 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: a prison unit and things will get damaged and graffited 44 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: and we can just pop in with the spencil and 45 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: readers repainted. 46 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: What do the staff say? Are they bullish on this? 47 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: Are they excited about it? Or is it like, oh yeah, 48 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: good luck? 49 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: Now? I think the staff are really supportive of making 50 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: our environment a lot better for them to work in. 51 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: It's just to be clear. I mean that a lot 52 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: of the reports so far I've talked just about the 53 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: prisoner selling yard. It's far greater than that. It's all 54 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: of the entry ways, the four years, the staff areas, 55 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: the external yards, the visits area, of the interviews. Essentially, 56 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: it's quite if you can imagine a large commercial building 57 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: and it's everything in there, of all the areas that 58 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: our stuff are working. So they're very supportive of this. 59 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: You got any kping our eyes out of this? I mean, 60 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: is there any thing material that will ever come out 61 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: of this? Well, people commit fewer murders, they'll be less 62 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: better than then the prison. Someone will skip down the 63 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: corridor because they're so thrilled to work. Now, I mean, 64 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: does anything actually happen. 65 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 2: Now, Well, we know there's a lot of research that 66 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: suggest that moving away from very stark and plain, great 67 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: environments does help reduce tension and monotony. What God to 68 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: appreciate is the men that are in this environment are 69 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: going to be in here for a long time, and 70 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: they are very dangerous individuals. And one of the things 71 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: we were focused on is how we can get them 72 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: engaged and not bored, because things like that help them 73 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: engage in rehab rehab, but also reduce the tension and 74 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: make it safer for us. Stuff. 75 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate it lately, my shoes with the correction. 76 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 77 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: news Talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 78 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.