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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand Let's get connected News talks that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today the

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Speaker 2: police Minister on how we deal with corrupt cops, Rawden

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Speaker 2: Christy once on TV Now a real estate agent on

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Speaker 2: how miserable Auckland is about the council valuations. And Murray Crane,

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Speaker 2: the maker of fine suits, on why we leave the

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Speaker 2: shopping trolley online without completing the purchase. Heather Dupericy Ellen,

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Speaker 2: It is as expected, if our office is anything to

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Speaker 2: go by Auckland as a miserable town today because the

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Speaker 2: house valuations are out and they are bad. Just about

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Speaker 2: everyone has jumped on the computer to have a look

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Speaker 2: by now, i'd say, and just about everyone's house has

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Speaker 2: gone backwards. So my house, our house, it's gone down

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Speaker 2: in value by eight percent. One of the bosses, not

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Speaker 2: too bad, only gone back by four percent. I don't

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Speaker 2: think anyone's house has gone up. In the office, someone's

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Speaker 2: One colleague, and this is this colleague is suffering more

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Speaker 2: one percent. That's one point one five million down to

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Speaker 2: feeling agitated. I called a realistad agent today to see

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Speaker 2: and this is Rawden Christy, who are going to have

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Speaker 2: at the valuation that's out today. Auckland Council says they

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Speaker 2: watching twelve thousand people on their website at any one time.

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Speaker 2: As I said yesterday, spare thought for Auckland. If you

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Speaker 2: It's a tough day for Auckland today because I mean,

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Speaker 2: we take the mickey out of Auckland. But there is

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Speaker 2: Young Aucklanders obsess about it. They scrimp and they save,

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Speaker 2: the value of the thing has not changed overnight. It's

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Speaker 2: simply just been written down. In fact, it was written

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Speaker 2: Heather Dupe nine nineteen is the text number. Standard text

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Speaker 2: fees apply now. The Government is tightening its new anti

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Speaker 2: stalking law as a result of feedback from the Select

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Speaker 2: Justice Minister. Hey Paul, Hi, Heather, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, was that the sadness

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Speaker 2: identified you. Paul. Listen, why have you changed how many

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Speaker 5: Look, we listened to the very strong feedback through the

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Speaker 2: Fair enough. What is stalking though? I mean, because because

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Speaker 5: Got to be with an intention element to cause to stress.

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Speaker 2: All So, as you say, it has to be with

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Speaker 2: Cool. Hey, Paul, thank you as always appreciated. That's Paul Goldsmith,

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Speaker 2: Justice Minister. Heither my house has dropped fifty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 2: She's your Honestly, sometimes you are a strange man.

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Speaker 2: Now, how did more one in Pacifica get enough money

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Speaker 7: That I don't know. I'm not on the inside, but

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Speaker 7: considering they've lost fifteen players last week, you think they

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Speaker 2: Because have they lost RDI as well?

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Speaker 7: Is already going at the end of this year or not?

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Speaker 7: I'd expect so, but.

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Speaker 2: Would party would be a pretty penny yeah here, But.

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Speaker 7: Artie was playing with no, no, they will He's going back,

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Speaker 7: isn't he? So they'll cross mid flight? But he would

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Speaker 7: have persuaded him. I'm sure it's coming over there. But

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Speaker 7: like Nani that that's great, but how long the club

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Speaker 7: some financial issues. It hasn't made a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Heather duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 4: That'd be six.

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Speaker 7: You person Manie.

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Speaker 1: Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart

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Speaker 9: We said it.

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Speaker 4: It's so many that you wiss.

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Speaker 1: It's the World Wires on News Talks Eddy Drive.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is sending seven hundred marines to respond to

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Speaker 2: the protests in La California. Governor Gavin Newsom is suing

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Speaker 10: There is language at the end that says orders for

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Speaker 2: Australian pro Minister Albow has done his first speech at

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Speaker 11: Australia should decide what we spend on Australia's defense, simple

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Speaker 2: More with Murray olds shortly and finally, yours call is

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ens and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Old of your correspondence with us a mus Very good afternoon, Heather, Hey,

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Speaker 12: Well, the prosecution, I mean we're into the seventh week

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Speaker 12: Look, I'm not a lawyer. I have no idea, but

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Speaker 12: Well, as you said in that clip, I mean it's

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Speaker 12: accord to get this country moving. Because back then the

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Speaker 12: same as the Federation of Labor in New Zealand so fractious.

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Speaker 12: There are strikes to be a strike at Christmas, but

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Speaker 12: he postal strike at Christmas. There were strikes with Bundan

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Speaker 12: all the time. So Bob Hawk sorted that out. And this,

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Speaker 12: it seems to be what Albaneze's suggesting now. At the

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Speaker 12: start of a thumping majority with his second term, he

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Speaker 12: told the Treasure of Jim Charmers, I want you to

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Speaker 12: convene a productivity summit. Productivity identified by business, by the

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Speaker 12: opposition and by the government. That's the key thing.

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Speaker 13: We're going to get driving here.

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Speaker 12: So he wants business leaders, union leaders, civil society. You know,

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Speaker 12: I guess whatever that might be, they do want them

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Speaker 12: to sit down in Parliament in August and maybe set

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Speaker 12: the stage for something pretty ambitious. Who knows if they

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Speaker 12: can get all these people working together on the same

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Speaker 12: song sheet, because I'm sure the opposition.

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Speaker 8: Will get an invite.

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Speaker 12: Maybe we can see a rerun of Bob Ork because

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Speaker 12: he transformed the country. Australia desperately needs tax reform. You

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Speaker 12: can't keep relying on income tax. You've got to broaden

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Speaker 12: the you know, the consumption tax base. It's so narrow

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Speaker 12: and it's not paying its way. So will they have

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Speaker 12: the courage, the political courage to spend some of that

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Speaker 12: political capital and take on tax reform. Who knows, But

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Speaker 12: certainly he set the stage today for you know, a

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Speaker 12: suggestion that maybe he might mars.

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Speaker 2: It's good to talk to you, as it always as

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you in a couple of days. Again.

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Speaker 2: That's Murray Old's Australia correspondent. Thank you, listen Guardian. Okay,

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Speaker 2: The Guardian is carrying an exclusive story today that our

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Speaker 2: government is getting sued. Our government is being sued over

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Speaker 2: the emissions reduction plan of climate lawyers. It looks like

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Speaker 2: it's going to be the first government in the world

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Speaker 2: to be sued over its emissions reduction. Basically, what it

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Speaker 2: is in normal human being talk, not climate talk, is

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Speaker 2: the government's not doing enough to reduce the emissions, and

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Speaker 2: so they're getting sued by the lawyers. And it's the

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Speaker 2: first government to be sued, by the looks of things

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Speaker 2: over it. Now called the lawyer. So we saw this,

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Speaker 2: called the lawyer, said I don't know what her name is,

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Speaker 2: I can't remember, never heard of her before, and said

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Speaker 2: do you want to come on the show? And she said yep, cool,

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Speaker 2: And then called her again and we're like, right, just

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Speaker 2: looking in the time, and she was like, oh no,

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Speaker 2: actually I'm busy now. So we think what she did

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Speaker 2: was she realized that she was talking to me. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what her problem with me is. And then

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Speaker 2: we called the other lawyers and they also don't want

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Speaker 2: to talk. So Laura, how many how you get in?

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Speaker 2: Still no luck? Okay, So Laura is listen, there are

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Speaker 2: three hundred climate lawyers in this country, represented by the

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Speaker 2: two groups suing the government. Surely, to god one of

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Speaker 2: them is enough to come on this show. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you cannot. I'm not even a lawyer, like the best

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Speaker 2: I've got as a postgrad, Like I've only got an honors.

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Speaker 2: I don't even have a master's. I'm not that smart.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know this stuff. I don't know anything

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Speaker 2: about the climate whatever. Just come on the show. I

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Speaker 2: don't know why they're scared. Why are they scared? There's

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Speaker 2: three hundred of them. Anyways, She's just gonna work your

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Speaker 2: way through the list. Now she has to call three

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Speaker 2: hundred lawyers to try to find one of them to

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Speaker 2: come on this show at five past six. So, if

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Speaker 2: you are a climate lawyer, or if you've got a

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Speaker 2: friend who's a climate lawyer who feels more, today's the

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Speaker 2: day I feel like I'm gonna go up against tether.

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Speaker 2: I'm not only I'm not even in for a fight.

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Speaker 2: Just want to hear what's up. I'm not fighting with

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Speaker 2: you anyway. If there's one of them brave enough, can

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Speaker 2: they just give us a call? Please? What's the number?

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Speaker 2: One hundred eighty ten eighty that's the hotline. We'll patch

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Speaker 2: you through to the lawyer of the German and we

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Speaker 2: can lock you in because old mate who's in the Guardian,

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Speaker 2: happy to talk to the Guardian, happy to talk to

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Speaker 2: old Guardian, but not happy to talk to us anyway.

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Speaker 2: Standing by anyway, Thomas Coglin's gonna tell us more about

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Speaker 2: it in a minute, because we're gonna have to rely

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Speaker 2: on him, mate, because he's not a freight unlike the lawyers.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen away from five politics with centric credit, check your

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Speaker 2: customers and get payment certainty. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political

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Speaker 2: editors with us.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Thomas, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: So is labor going to allow? What is labour's position

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Speaker 2: on farmers in the ets? Have they made up their

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Speaker 2: mind here?

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Speaker 8: Oh? This has been going on since two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 14: Labor labors wanted some form of the missions pricing for

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Speaker 14: farmers the last government. They went into government saying, look,

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Speaker 14: agriculture is going to go to their easy yes in

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Speaker 14: some way.

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Speaker 8: They eventually swerved into the hawaka you canoa if you

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Speaker 8: can remember.

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Speaker 14: That, and that eventually resulted in some form of the

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Speaker 14: missions pricing for agricultural emissions, a split guest approach or into.

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Speaker 4: The easy yes.

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Speaker 14: If that all fell apart, and then obviously Coalition came

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Speaker 14: into power and got rid of that. So Chris Epkins

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Speaker 14: went on the Herald. Now showed this morning and said

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Speaker 14: that all of ex policy is under review, so sorry,

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Speaker 14: all of them. All of Labor's policy is under review,

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Speaker 14: and that means that there will be an a missions

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Speaker 14: policy from Labor, but just what it is wait and see,

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Speaker 14: So no one really knows.

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Speaker 8: At the stage.

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Speaker 2: I'm reluctant to get excited about this because these guys

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Speaker 2: in Labor, you know how they are. They float ideas

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Speaker 2: like this and then they have a giant fight with

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Speaker 2: each other because everybody has to be consulted in caucus,

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Speaker 2: and the policy unit has to be consulted in the

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Speaker 2: unions have to be consulted, and the membership has to

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Speaker 2: be consulted, and then by the end of it, you know,

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Speaker 2: nothing really changes.

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Speaker 14: Yes, I mean what did Margaret Thatcher say the problem

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Speaker 14: about socialism was too many meetings?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 14: And labor does you know to be and not high

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Speaker 14: love a good meeting, but Labor does. It's fair to

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Speaker 14: say love a good meeting. It's hard to know this

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Speaker 14: the current the Chris Hipkins Labor Party is. It is

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Speaker 14: hard to know where it lands on a lot of

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Speaker 14: these issues. The Greens and Party Maori are very keen

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Speaker 14: for me. A large part of the Greens one hundred

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Speaker 14: billion dollar revenue change was money coming in from climate

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Speaker 14: change etes stuff. So the Greens are pretty into into

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Speaker 14: full on emissions pricing. Labor is It's very hard to

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Speaker 14: know where all end up, but I would imagine if

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Speaker 14: they end up with a policy that's too soft and

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Speaker 14: Jasindra Jones policy on cultural emissions it was quite soft

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Speaker 14: that was there were the agricultural emissions would have been

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Speaker 14: heavily discounted. If labor goes in too soft, they're going

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Speaker 14: to face a member's revolves. So I think you're right

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Speaker 14: here there. I think it will be wherever they land,

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Speaker 14: it will it will be something that involves pricing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, does he does? He? Is he just just floating

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Speaker 2: this as an idea before field day so that the

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Speaker 2: farmers don't give him too hard a time as.

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Speaker 4: He walks through.

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Speaker 14: Yes, I think he was asked about obviously this field days,

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Speaker 14: which is why he was asked about it. And then

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Speaker 14: I imagined Chrispinsaw's life flashing before his eyes and thought,

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Speaker 14: there's no way I'm going to talk about emissions pricing

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Speaker 14: before heading to mystery crea. And you know what, probably

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Speaker 14: probably that's that's the political radar that you get.

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Speaker 2: I mean talking about Daniel and the Lions. Dan, I

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Speaker 2: absolutely would say something is dumb as this as well

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Speaker 2: as him as well. Listen, if you managed to get

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Speaker 2: a hold of any of these climate law is suing

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Speaker 2: the government.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I just actually got off the blower from from

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Speaker 14: from lawyers for Climate Action.

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Speaker 8: A really interesting case.

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Speaker 14: And you know, talking about consultation actually because you do

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Speaker 14: need to consult on a lot of this, a lot

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Speaker 14: of this submissions stuff. And they are arguing that the

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Speaker 14: government's changes to the first Emissions Plan, so that was

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Speaker 14: the Labour put up the first emissions reduction Plan. This

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Speaker 14: this government they amended it significantly. They're arguing that the

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Speaker 14: process wasn't followed properly and they want sort.

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Speaker 8: Of declaration to that that effect from the court.

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Speaker 14: That's that's sort of interesting, you know, going forward, how

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Speaker 14: how governments changed their missions plans. The big thing though,

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Speaker 14: the big thing is the second plan, so that that's

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Speaker 14: the one that the coalition government has has published. They

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Speaker 14: are arguing that this second plan does not meet the

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Speaker 14: goals of the Act, which is to reduce emissions and

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Speaker 14: reduce and warming to one point five degrees.

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Speaker 8: You know, whatever you know you know that, you know

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Speaker 8: the drill. They are arguing that the plan doesn't do that.

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Speaker 14: It relies a lot on unproven technology carbon capture, the light,

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Speaker 14: too much tree planting, and they want the court to

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Speaker 14: say so, which would force the government to do it again.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because Thomas, they're not idiots and they can see,

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Speaker 2: like all of us what's about to happen, which is

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Speaker 2: we're not going to meet the target. We're going to

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Speaker 2: rely on tree planting, and then we're not going to

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Speaker 2: plant the trees either, so we're actually going to end

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Speaker 2: up doing Diddley squat. That's what's going on with.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: And if the court says, if the court agrees with

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Speaker 14: that assessment, says not the second plan is not good enough,

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Speaker 14: then then Simon Watson, the government is going to have

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Speaker 14: to go back to the drawing board and do it again,

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Speaker 14: and that could be quite the cabinet fight I had mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Interesting very much. Now did you say it was Lawyers

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Speaker 2: for Climate Action?

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Speaker 8: Thomas, Yes, I believe that's the group, your Lawyers for

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Speaker 8: Climate Action.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Thomas appreciated. Thomas Coglan The Herald's Political edit.

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Speaker 2: Did you call them, Laura, Lawyers for climate action is oh,

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Speaker 2: the ore the ones who are going to come on?

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Speaker 2: The are the ones who are going to come on?

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Speaker 2: And then they got busy, did they? Okay, we're not

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Speaker 2: going to hear from this, So happy to talk to Thomas,

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Speaker 2: not happy to talk to us. Eight away from five

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Speaker 2: putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the my asking breakfast the.

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Speaker 9: News from education as we find out we have more

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Speaker 9: teachers entering schools than in the past twenty years. Education

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Speaker 9: Minister Erica Stanford's well is what's the breakdown at locals

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Speaker 9: for immigrants and does it matter?

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Speaker 16: Look, I certainly want to grow our own. We know

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Speaker 16: that last year we had a substantial increase in young

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Speaker 16: people studying at initial teacher education. This year this is

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Speaker 16: just provisional figures so far, it's a twenty seven percent increase.

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Speaker 16: So we are seeing more and more young people choosing

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Speaker 16: to go into education and be part of this world

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Speaker 16: leading education system. But we are bolstering the numbers, of

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Speaker 16: course by overseas teachers, and we have to do that

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Speaker 16: at the moment and we probably will continue to need

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Speaker 16: to do it into the future as well.

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Speaker 9: Back tomorrow at six am, the mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 9: Mayley's real Estate News talk z B.

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Speaker 2: Heather, the best question for to ask the lawyers is

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Speaker 2: who is paying them? Because they don't do anything without

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Speaker 2: first showing up payment, which actually is a very I

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Speaker 2: hadn't thought of that, and that is a fair point. Listen,

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Speaker 2: this is weird. I'd like to know what you think about.

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Speaker 2: I think this is bizarre. So did you know that

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Speaker 2: if you're homeschooled you are not allowed to compete in

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Speaker 2: certain competitions where the rules are set by school sport

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Speaker 2: In New Zealand there are a bunch of examples of it.

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Speaker 2: The most recent appears to be a thirteen year old

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Speaker 2: girl called Amelia Twists who was a top mountain biker

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Speaker 2: and was at the North Island School Champs recently and

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Speaker 2: came in third place. But she came in the third place,

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Speaker 2: but she did not get the medal. The mate who

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Speaker 2: came in at fourth place got the medal ahead of

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Speaker 2: her because she doesn't qualify to meddle because she's homeschooled

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Speaker 2: instead of schooled at a school, which seems which is

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent what the rules are and everybody apparently

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Speaker 2: knows it. But that doesn't feel fair to me, does

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Speaker 2: it you? But I don't really, I can't really understand

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Speaker 2: what the logic is for this, other than obviously trying

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Speaker 2: to kind of force people into schools. Now obviously, I

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Speaker 2: mean I went to school, so I'm going to be

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Speaker 2: of the view that kids should go to school rather

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Speaker 2: than homeschooling. Is I had some friends who did homeschooling.

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Speaker 2: I think we would all agree amongst ourselves it was

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Speaker 2: a wee bit weird, so I would I would say,

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Speaker 2: go to school if you can. But hey, I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you're homeschool for whatever reason. People have different reasons

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Speaker 2: to homeschool. I suppose shouldn't they be allowed to get

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Speaker 2: the medal? If they're a great mountain biker? Why don't they?

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Speaker 8: Do?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Anyway, we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: to the we mate her missed out. She's going to

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Speaker 2: be with us after half past five and might try

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Speaker 2: to understand what the hell is going on here. Also,

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Speaker 2: the other thing we need to understand is what is

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Speaker 2: going on with us in online shopping. So apparently huge

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Speaker 2: numbers of us go onto the online shopping stores and

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Speaker 2: fill our little carts up with things. Oh we like

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Speaker 2: that outfit. Put that in there, Oh like that, put

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Speaker 2: that all that foundation looks nice. Put that in there,

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Speaker 2: and then we go, oh, can't be bothered, and we

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Speaker 2: just bail out. Don't finish paying for it at all.

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Speaker 2: Apparently it's about six billion dollars worth of purchases last

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Speaker 2: year we just left sitting in the little shopping cart

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Speaker 2: icon And apparently what is causing us to bail out

696
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Speaker 2: at the last minute. Two things the lack of free returns,

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Speaker 2: so you want apparently we want to know that we

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Speaker 2: can if it doesn't fit, we can send it back,

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Speaker 2: and if that's not there, we bail out. And the

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Speaker 2: second thing is postage. If the postage is too high,

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Speaker 2: we start getting a bit funny at about two dollars fifty,

702
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Speaker 2: but we really abandoned the carts at ten dollars plus. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk to Murray Crane about that. Will

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Speaker 2: be with us shortly, but first up, Sebachuk to Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 2: police minister, about what we do about corruption. News talks ab.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin sens to find the real story story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dubassy drive with One New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 1: connected newstalgs'b afternoon.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand is becoming more corrupt. That's the warning to

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Speaker 2: the government from the Ministerial Advisory Group into Transnational Games.

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Speaker 17: We talked to our most senior officials in the police

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Speaker 17: and Customs and we ask them of the large scale

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Speaker 17: drug importations, of the large scale illegal tobacco importations, how

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Speaker 17: many of them and involve a corrupt official? That is

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Speaker 17: both far and the vast majority of those cases.

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Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell is the policemanister how much?

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Speaker 15: Hey, yeah, they look very First firstly, I just want

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Speaker 15: to really quickly say congratulations broadcasts of the year, well done.

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Speaker 15: You know I'm quite little to Hosker on his show,

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Speaker 15: but hey, it was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Then you pick that up as always you are so charming.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that. You worried about cops being corrupted.

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Speaker 15: I mean, you know, of course, you know something that

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Speaker 15: we always have to be focused on. We're not immune

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Speaker 15: to corruption and bad habits or bad behavior in New Zealand.

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Speaker 15: So that's why there's a very thorough vetting process that

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Speaker 15: goes on. The important thing is when there is bad

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Speaker 15: behavioral corruption that's identified in the police and by the way,

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Speaker 15: there's been one example of that in the last few years,

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Speaker 15: and the police were very quick to act on it.

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Speaker 15: The key to it is acting on it quickly and

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Speaker 15: making sure that it's purged out of our police. We

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Speaker 15: have got a world class police force. We can all

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Speaker 15: be proud of them, we can all have full confidence

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Speaker 15: in them. But it's like any big organization. Occasionally you

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Speaker 15: get a bad apple that comes forward, but you've got

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Speaker 15: to deal with them quickly.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not just the police obviously, as the

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Speaker 2: customs guys and the immigration guys and the border officials

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Speaker 2: and stuff. So how do we actually deal with it?

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Speaker 2: How do we stop this happening?

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Speaker 15: Well, I mean, first of all, we do. I know

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Speaker 15: I keep saying it, but I spent a lot of

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Speaker 15: time overseas and in the logistics and a big part

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Speaker 15: of my job with a global logistics company was dealing

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Speaker 15: with corrupt officials and corruption right throughout the whole system.

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Speaker 15: We're very lucky back here in New Zealand that, although

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Speaker 15: we have to be vigilant and we have to be

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Speaker 15: aware of that behavior and we're not immune to it,

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Speaker 15: we've actually got world class custom services police service. You

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Speaker 15: know that the agencies that deal with this are quite

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Speaker 15: simply outstanding. But we have to make sure that we

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Speaker 15: continue to vet. We have to make sure that we're vigilant,

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Speaker 15: and we have to make sure that when we do

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Speaker 15: see evidence of corrupt behavior or poor behavior, that we

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Speaker 15: act on it quickly.

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Speaker 2: Do we need to accept that we also have to

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Speaker 2: pay our people more so that they don't need to

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Speaker 2: top up their incomes.

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Speaker 15: Well, that's you know. We always want to pay more.

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Speaker 15: We want to pay our first responders more. It's just

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Speaker 15: natural as a country. And I think that as we

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Speaker 15: start to recover fiscally and as we start to see

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Speaker 15: some growth, those are the sort of options that become

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Speaker 15: open to a government. But we came in in the

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Speaker 15: complete opposite situation. We were having to be very fiscally

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Speaker 15: disciplined and restrained to get us back on the right

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Speaker 15: track again.

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Speaker 2: Listen, have you asked the police commissioner to explain why

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Speaker 2: no one in the cops told you that they sees

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Speaker 2: Michael Forbes's work phone.

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Speaker 15: No, he did inform me when it's when he became

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Speaker 15: aware of the situation that do under no surprises look

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Speaker 15: at the time, I don't know. The Prime Minister has

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Speaker 15: obviously asked for DIA to have a look at this

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Speaker 15: and go back so that we can work out and

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Speaker 15: see what the answers are around that. But again, like

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Speaker 15: I said, the important thing is when you do become

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Speaker 15: aware of these things, you've got to act quickly, and

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Speaker 15: that's exactly what happened in this case.

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Speaker 2: All right, Mitch, thank you, has always appreciated Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 2: Police Minister.

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Speaker 4: Heather Duplessy Allen.

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Speaker 2: Auckland Council has released the property valuation for Auckland City.

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Speaker 2: Been a bit delayed, not pretty. Valuations are down nine

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Speaker 2: percent on average, some properties are down significantly more. Barford

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Speaker 2: and Thompson's Rawdon. Christie's with us at Rawdon.

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Speaker 6: Hello, how are you, Hannah?

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Speaker 2: You good, very well. It's lovely to talk to you again.

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Speaker 4: Ruden.

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Speaker 2: Listen, you had any phone calls from upset homeowners about this.

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Speaker 19: I've had conversations with concerned homeowners, but I think all

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Speaker 19: vendors at the moment have been a little bit concerned.

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Speaker 19: This is just another little bit of a body blow,

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Speaker 19: and I'm trying to sort of make people realize, both

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Speaker 19: both vendors and buyers, that these counts of valuations really

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Speaker 19: should be by and large just ignore them because they

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Speaker 19: are not a property valuation. But it's very hard to

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Speaker 19: tell people that because people do still look at counsel

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Speaker 19: valuations and think they give you and some sort of

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Speaker 19: indication on property value.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you reckon it's going to have any impact

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Speaker 2: on deals or wrong? Whether people want to list their

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Speaker 2: houses at the moment.

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Speaker 19: I've had conversations with buyers today who are putting four

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Speaker 19: offers and are making it very clear that they think

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Speaker 19: their offer is particularly good given the fact that counsel

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Speaker 19: values have dropped today. And that's a really significant thing

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Speaker 19: because that they are just saying, I would potentially reconsider

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Speaker 19: the offer I'm putting forward were it at a worthy

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Speaker 19: council valuation to have dropped by a certain amount. Now,

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Speaker 19: whether that's buyers just because buyers do hold all the

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Speaker 19: cards at the moment to an extent, whether that's just

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Speaker 19: them having yet another arrow in their in their in

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Speaker 19: the bow as such to be able to beat prices down,

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Speaker 19: I'm not sure. But that conversation has been had several

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Speaker 19: times today.

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Speaker 2: Have you had a look at how much your house

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Speaker 2: went down?

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Speaker 19: I haven't looked. I don't want to, because that's the reality,

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Speaker 19: is that We're just going to have a whole heap

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Speaker 19: of really depressed people because we all think, we all

824
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Speaker 19: think we're poorer now, which is not true.

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Speaker 2: No, it's all in their here. It's completely irrational. Rud

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Speaker 2: and I really appreciate it. Thanks for sitting it straight,

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Speaker 2: Rud and Christy real estate agent. I'll tell you what

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Speaker 2: I would hate to be in retail this weekend. So

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Speaker 2: just feel like everybody's going to be so depressed they're

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Speaker 2: not going to go out and spend any money at.

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Speaker 4: All together, do for se Ellen?

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you is it notable? Is it a

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Speaker 2: big deal that a key we has won Alone? I

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Speaker 2: don't because I'm asking this because famously obviously don't watch television,

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Speaker 2: so I don't know. But apparently, what if you don't

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Speaker 2: know what a loan is, I'm told by the websites

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Speaker 2: that Alone is a TV show where they drop about

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Speaker 2: ten people in the in the in the bush somewhere

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Speaker 2: and they let them kind of, you know, try and

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Speaker 2: survive by themselves, and eventually, at some stage one of

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Speaker 2: them has lasted longer than the others. As a chap

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Speaker 2: who's a possum trapper from the Bay of Plenty has

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Speaker 2: just one and at one of the loans and he

844
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Speaker 2: was out there for seven to six days and he

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Speaker 2: lost weight and there were worms involved, and I didn't

846
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Speaker 2: want to read too much about the worms with the

847
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Speaker 2: worms and his tummy. Had he eaten the worms? Did

848
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Speaker 2: he cut? Like what role the worms played? I don't

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Speaker 2: want to know. But is this one himself quughed of

850
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Speaker 2: a million dollars so he's going to be that'll help him,

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Speaker 2: you know, offset the value of the propert dropping is

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Speaker 2: just experienced. But is this a big deal? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Nine two nine to two notable exceptions on properties that

854
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: have gone down because obviously everybody's texting me. Ash's house

855
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Speaker 2: has gone from one point four million to nine hundred thousand,

856
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Speaker 2: so she's lost five hundred. She's in Glenfield. Some people

857
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Speaker 2: very excited because Bob Bob Bob's burned baby burns so

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Speaker 2: that he can get into the property market and goes on.

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Speaker 2: Some notable exceptions, the Mowbrays not doing too badly their

860
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Speaker 2: mansion and Coatsville has gone up three percent from thirty

861
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Speaker 2: nine million to forty point five million. The Hotchin's obviously

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Speaker 2: owned the place in Iraqi that's gone up twenty five percent. Ah,

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Speaker 2: that's not bad at all. Fifty eight million gone up

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Speaker 2: to seventy two point five million. So some people are

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Speaker 2: doing okay, some people everybody else not so good. Fourteen

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Speaker 2: past five. Hey, you know what's hard, supporting loved ones

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Speaker 2: when you're not physically there. That's what's hard. And that's

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Speaker 2: why I love that. My food Bag has launched a

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Speaker 2: ready to heart and to enjoy, delivered nationwide even the

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874
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Speaker 2: comes with three full ready makee meals, fresh bread, soups,

875
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876
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Speaker 2: the new Parent Box now that includes also a muslin

877
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Speaker 2: rap from nature Baby, which is such a smart touch

878
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Speaker 2: and everyone loves nature Baby. And then you've got the

879
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: Royal Burn Gift Box. Now that's premium that features lamb

880
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: from Nadia Limbs own farm, proper key. We produce, not

881
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: overseas imports. Everything's fresh, free range, made with local ingredients.

882
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,439
Speaker 2: You can even add a personal note. Good food isn't

883
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: just thoughtful, it's practical support that matters. So head to

884
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: the shop section on myfoodbag dot co dot in.

885
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Speaker 4: Z ever dupers Ellen.

886
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 2: Heather, Oh oh, but thank you. This is about the homeschooling, Heather.

887
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: Stupid rule on the school sport. Reason is supposedly the

888
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: homeschool kids could do extra training versus the school kids

889
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: who are stuck in the classroom. Now, I don't know

890
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: about that. That doesn't seem to me like a good

891
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: enough reason because I mean, is that a good enough

892
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: reason to stop them getting medals because they spent extra

893
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: time training. I mean, you can't control for that, can you?

894
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 2: Even kids who go to school. Some kids will train

895
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: more than other kids. Some kids will just train an

896
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: hour or so. Anyway, I think it's really good at

897
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: kill us, Heather. Are we going to talk to Amelia Twists,

898
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: who's the mountain biker who'll be with us after half

899
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: past talk us through the online shopping. We need to

900
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: talk about this now. Apparently most of us about sixty

901
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: eight percent of us, and not following through with online

902
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: purchases if the cost of shipping is too much Murray

903
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: Crane from Crane Brothers is with us right now. Murray, Hello, Hello.

904
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: Is it the crum Well? Thank you? How are you?

905
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 20: I'm good?

906
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: Thank you? Is it the delivery cost?

907
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 20: That's a combination of things. I think delivery cost is

908
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 20: probably part of it, but most people would know what

909
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 20: that was prior to getting to that going to the transaction.

910
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 20: I think a lot of it's got to do just

911
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 20: change it in the way people shopping, a little bit

912
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 20: of buyer's remorse maybe, or they're using the cart as

913
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 20: a kind of a research like a Pinterest board to

914
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 20: put all the things in that they think they might like,

915
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 20: and then they kind of do a review and realize

916
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 20: that they don't like it. So there's a whole lot

917
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 20: of factors contributing to them not going through with that

918
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 20: last kind of part of the transaction.

919
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: I've got a text from someone and I do this, okay,

920
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: So I've got a text from someone who said that

921
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: the girlfriends and they often abandon the cart because they've

922
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: already got the dopamine hit just by putting the stuff

923
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: in the cart.

924
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 20: Yeah, that's definitely I think that's part of it, because

925
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 20: it is you know, you're pretty much going through eighty

926
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 20: to eighty five percent of the shopping experience without him

927
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 20: to buying a thing. So I can see why that

928
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 20: would happen. Also, I think that it's increased with the

929
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 20: increase in people working from home as well, because they

930
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 20: have more time to do such things.

931
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: Maybe they have So you, as a retailer, go and

932
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: look at all these abandoned carts.

933
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 20: No, we, I mean most retailers, we're probably I would

934
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 20: like to think quality of a quanci interns of our

935
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 20: online transactions, Like it's still quite a small part of

936
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 20: our business so in terms of volumes, So we would

937
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 20: generally have some kind of automated message that would go

938
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 20: out for an abandoned cart, just checking them with the

939
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 20: client to make sure that there wasn't some reason why

940
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 20: they had abandoned it, ie, they weren't sure on their

941
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 20: sizing or some other issue that they had encountered, so

942
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 20: that we're wherever possible, we want to try and engage

943
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 20: with them directly as soon as we can if we

944
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 20: feel there's an issue there, like sizing can be an

945
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 20: issue with clothing. People were like, oh, maybe I'm a medium,

946
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 20: maybe I'm a large, Maybe I didn't measure myself. So

947
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 20: that's always a bit of a that's always a real

948
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 20: kind of pain point for buying clothing online, unless it's

949
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 20: a brand that you've bought off before. We find with

950
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 20: clients that have shopped with us previously that they don't

951
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 20: have any issues and generally will go straight through. But

952
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 20: if it's a new person or someone from overseas, they may.

953
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 8: That this is what this is.

954
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 2: The I run into Murray, thank you, Murray Crane Crane

955
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: Brothers co owner. I can't be fatht, do you know

956
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like so the other day but too

957
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: much information. But whatever, it's me, we know each other.

958
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: I have to buy some bras and I just cannot

959
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: be fatht going into the brass stores, you know what

960
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: I mean. Like, there's nothing worse. There's shopping sucks, but

961
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: BRA shopping is another level of suckiness. So anyway, I

962
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: just went online and I was like, oh what if

963
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: I know been done and then there was get the

964
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: tape measure out. I was like, oh, then I have

965
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: to go into the kitchen and I have to reach

966
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 2: up there. I have to get the sewing box down,

967
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 2: get the tape measure out, you know, measure around your busts.

968
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, no, I forget about it.

969
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: I'll just take a guess. I guess right. Well, that

970
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: was lucky, wasn't it, because it could have gone the

971
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: other way. But that is the problem with clothes shopping

972
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: is that no one wants to be what, you know,

973
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: sizing up your own thighs. Do you see if you're

974
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: gonna fit the pants?

975
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 8: Is?

976
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: This is why bricks and mortars will never bricks and

977
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: mortar will never disappears disappear. Lord, Okay, listen. Sorry, I'm

978
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: getting a lot of text saying I should have given

979
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: you a spoiler alert about alone, and I'm sorry about that.

980
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that I didn't. However, I just assumed that

981
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: you were getting the notifications that I was, because literally

982
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: everybody's notified. One News notified me, The Herald notified me,

983
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: stuff notified me on my phone. So I just thought

984
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: everybody knew that that the guy had won. I'm not

985
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: saying anything anymore about it. Twenty three past five.

986
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen

987
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth talks.

988
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: They'd be hither I leave the cart at the very

989
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: last step, because nine times out of ten I'll get

990
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: a discount code sent to me to complete the transaction.

991
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: Very smart from you, five twenty five. Now, look, I

992
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: have no trouble at all believing that New Zealand is

993
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: becoming more corrupt you. I mean, just look at the

994
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: examples that we see popping up in the media in

995
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: the last few years. You had that Auckland cop paid

996
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars by the organized crime groups

997
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: for leaking information about investigations. You had years ago warnings

998
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: about Asian gangs trying to bribe cops. Recently had the

999
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: Auckland airport baggage handler who had a quarter of a

1000
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: million dollars in his roof cavity. He was helping the

1001
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: gangs smuggle drugs, hence the money. You had the Ports

1002
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 2: of Auckland supervisor who was helping the mongols shift a

1003
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: container with drugs in it. They found one hundred thousand

1004
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: dollars in a shoe box at her house. So I've

1005
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: plenty of examples. But also it does feel slightly inevitable,

1006
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: doesn't it. I mean, I think this was obviously going

1007
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: to happen. The minute we started letting Australia to port

1008
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: sophisticated gang members to New Zealand. Because these guys treat

1009
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: their drug operations like a proper business. I mean, this

1010
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: is not like the Mungrel mob anymore. Mungrel mob just

1011
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: making some spare cash from some tennes to top up

1012
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: their benny. You know, that was annoying and that was bad,

1013
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: but it's not on the same level as what we're

1014
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: dealing with now. These guys we've got now like the

1015
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: common gero's, they're actually running proper business operations designed to

1016
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: make them rich. But also I think this is just

1017
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: inevitable when your country gets bigger, right, this is what

1018
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: happens when the country grows, because statistically you are going

1019
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: to get more corrupt people. And also corrupt people know

1020
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: that they can be corrupt because they kind of get

1021
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: lost in the numbers. But also I think it is

1022
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: what happens when you don't pay your police and your

1023
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: customs and your immigration guys and your baggage handlers and

1024
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. It's when you don't pay them enough,

1025
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: they find ways to top it up. Now, what we're

1026
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: being told is we need to do something about this

1027
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 2: urgently in order to get on top of it. I

1028
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: don't know that we can get on top of it.

1029
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 2: I don't know that we can ever really go back

1030
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: to not being corrupt if we ever really were. In

1031
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: order to do that, in order to go back to

1032
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: that happy day, we'd have to get rid of these

1033
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: gangs that are now in New Zealand. And I think

1034
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: we all know we're here to stay. But I do

1035
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: think if we can control one thing, it is that

1036
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: we pay our people enough so at least they are

1037
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: not trying to top up their income as.

1038
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 4: Well ever do for see Allen.

1039
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: I'm quite sad news. Unfortunately, apparently there are claims that

1040
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: King Charles's cancer is incurable.

1041
00:48:59,280 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 12: Now.

1042
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: This has come from the Royal insider Camilla Tomony. She's

1043
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: revealed that sources have told her that while the cancer

1044
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: is under control, it's ultimately not going to be cured.

1045
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: He may not die of cancer, but he will die

1046
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: with cancer, and the hope is that he will make

1047
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: his eightieth birthday. He's seventy six at the moment he

1048
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: turns eighty and twenty twenty eight, so it's say three

1049
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: and a bit years. She's got good sources. You can

1050
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: believe her. She was the first to report that Kate

1051
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: Middleton and Megan Markle had fallen out. So it's very sad.

1052
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: News headline's next.

1053
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.

1054
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's

1055
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: get connected and news dogs, they'd be cold. You've taken me,

1056
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: would you name?

1057
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 21: Go to.

1058
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 4: Kenny.

1059
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: You keep saying you need to pay the frontline enough

1060
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: so they don't become corrupt, But you can never pay

1061
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 2: them enough when a gangster will offer, say fifty thousand

1062
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: dollars or more to pass something through or whatever. Look,

1063
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 2: that's fair. You can, I think you can make it

1064
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: less of an incentive, right, but you can never really

1065
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: if somebody is prepared to go down that path. And also,

1066
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: by the way, let's not be naive about this. The

1067
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: gangs will be placing people in those positions. They're already

1068
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: corrupt before they get the job at the border. So

1069
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: and how do you get around that? Apart from as

1070
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 2: mark which I was saying, a copious amount of vetting,

1071
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: Laura managed to getting climate lawyers, no no climate, no

1072
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: climate lawyers, to be fair, okay, to be fair to Laura,

1073
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: it turns out that the list of three hundred lawyers

1074
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 2: is not published online. So are there three hundred lawyers?

1075
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: We don't know anyway, I think how many did you call?

1076
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: Hold up your fingers.

1077
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 4: Four?

1078
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: Four climate lawyers said no, And these are the big guys.

1079
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: These are the ones fronting that anyway, They're not going

1080
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: to come on the show whatever. But we have got

1081
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 2: a climate consultant, Christina Hood, who does understand what's happening

1082
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: here and will be able to talk us through this.

1083
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: And the significance of these lawyers suing our government, the

1084
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Speaker 2: first government to be sued over the climate reductions planned.

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Speaker 2: So that's after six o'clock, twenty three away from.

1086
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 4: Six heather due for sea als.

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00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: Now there's a campaign to change the rules about homeschooled

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00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: kids competing in competitions. It turns out that kids who

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00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: are homeschooled are allowed to participate at interschool competitions, but

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00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: if they place first, second, or third, they're not allowed

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00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: to receive their medal. Now, thirteen year old Amelia Twist

1092
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: is a mountain biker who has denied a third place

1093
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: medal recently, and she's with us now hey, Amelia, Hi Amelia,

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00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: this doesn't seem fair to me. Does it seem fair

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00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: to you?

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00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 11: No?

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00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: Why are they denying you the medal? What's the story?

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00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 13: Well, they think that we have.

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00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 4: Because we're homeschooled.

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00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: And when your homeschooled, is it because you've got too

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00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: much time?

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00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 15: Have you?

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00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 2: That's what they say to be able to train? So

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00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: it basically gives you an unfair advantage over the kids

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00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: who are sitting in classrooms.

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00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 13: That's what they say.

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00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much do you train every single day?

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00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 13: I don't train, I just ride my bike.

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00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 2: And would you ride your bike every day? Amelia?

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00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 8: No, not even close.

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00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: How often would you ride your bike.

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00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 22: Once or twice a week?

1113
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: And how often? How long are you riding?

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00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 8: For?

1115
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 4: Two?

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00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 8: Three hours?

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00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're going to take You've got a petition

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00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: have you that's been signed by a bunch of people

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00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: to change the rules.

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00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: How many people have signed it.

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00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 4: To? Almost two thousand and five hundred.

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00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: Okay, were and you're riding to Parliament with this petition?

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00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 22: Yeah, I'm riding from Grassroots Trust, bellered Room and Cambridge

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00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 22: to the steps of Parliament and Wellington.

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00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: Made are you going to be riding on the road.

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00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 13: We're doing a.

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00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 16: Mix of back roads and mountain bike trails.

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Speaker 2: You got your mum or dad with you?

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00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 13: A uh yeah, they'll be supporting us and riding sections

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00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 13: with us.

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00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: Oh thank goodness. You can't be riding out there by yourself. Well,

1133
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: don't tell the people about this. Once you've ridden all

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00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: the way down to Wellington. You'll be fantastic at the bike,

1135
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: won't you. Yeah, all right, best of luck. I hope

1136
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: you change the rules because this is ridiculous. Amelia, Thanks

1137
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: very much. Amelia twists Mountain Biker.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Find you're one.

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00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: Of the kids right on the huddle of us has Evening,

1140
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: got Ben Thomas and Craig Rennie. How are you too, Craig.

1141
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: This seems like a ridiculous rule, doesn't.

1142
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 6: It It does.

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00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 21: It seems like the sort of rule up was invented

1144
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 21: because at some point in time somebody somewhere cheated. But

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00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 21: I would hope that a little bit of common sense

1146
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 21: would apply here and that we wouldn't end up in

1147
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 21: this sort of space.

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00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: But I mean, is spending because cheated? I mean training

1149
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: extra in a day is not cheating, right, I mean,

1150
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: training extra in a day is just being passionate about it,

1151
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: and surely we should be encouraging that rather than saying

1152
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: kings can't do it.

1153
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 21: Yeah, but I think it's probably been designed to stop

1154
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 21: particularly ambitious parents pushing their kids into lots and lots

1155
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 21: of training. And I think you know that it's always

1156
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 21: a consequence. It seems like a rule that's designed for

1157
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 21: one thing and certainly not for the case here.

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00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you reckon, Ben? I mean you've worked in

1159
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: parliament heaps, do you reckon? This is the kind of

1160
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: thing that we'll actually have a rule change.

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00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 15: Uh?

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00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 6: Is it a policy? Is it? Is it a regulation?

1163
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's a rule set by

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00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: school Sport New Zealand.

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00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 6: Well, look, if it's a regulation, we could get the

1166
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 6: Regulation Review Committee onto it like they did the Tea

1167
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 6: king a Continuing legal Education. They might they might have

1168
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 6: a taste for blood now, But I mean, yeah, it's.

1169
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 2: No, it's public pressure, isn't it, Ben?

1170
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 6: Well, it's it seems like the sort of rule that

1171
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 6: makes a lot of sense if you're talking about say,

1172
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 6: college sports in the States, you know, I mean, is

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00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 6: anyone really incentivized to sort of make big money on

1174
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 6: the primary school mountain bike circuit by calling their kids

1175
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 6: out of classes. That it all seems a bit silly.

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00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: Does doesn't it?

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00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 4: Now?

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00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: Being are you still in Auckland? Do you own a

1179
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: house in Auckland by.

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00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 6: Any chance, I've got a place in Auckland. Yeah, but

1181
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 6: I'm down at Wellington most of the time. So worst

1182
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 6: of both worlds.

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00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so did you have a look at the

1184
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 2: valuation today?

1185
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 16: No?

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00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 6: No, haven't had a look, although, look, my sense is

1187
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 6: in Auckland there. I understand people are pretty disappointed about it,

1188
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 6: but I always thought that there as an Auckland. In

1189
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 6: the same way that Huntergethers always sort of knew where

1190
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 6: North was when they were out in Auckland, they should

1191
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 6: always roughly know the market price of their home.

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00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I think they probably do, Craig, But I think

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00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: there's a difference, isn't there between what you think your

1194
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 2: house is worth and then you see the thing written

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00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 2: down on the bit of paper and it's shocking.

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00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 8: Oh.

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00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 21: I think some people have had a very nasty surprise

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Speaker 21: thinking that their properties have been immune from the downtown

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Speaker 21: and properties over the path.

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Speaker 2: But being a good man of the left. You'll be pleased.

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00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 2: You'd be like, this is what we need. Downturn and

1202
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: the property prices.

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00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 21: Oh, I don't know about that. I think and would

1204
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 21: support some stability. Housing prices going up and down really

1205
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 21: quickly doesn't help anyone. And so as actually, if we

1206
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 21: can make properties stand still and as the previous and

1207
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 21: I said, we have a beautiful deleveraging over time, that

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00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 21: would be infinitely preferable then people losing you know, quite

1209
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 21: big sums of money because these are often their pensions

1210
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 21: and we don't want to see that happen.

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00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 2: What do you reckon the been? I mean obviously between

1212
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: like okay, so these these these valuations have come out

1213
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 2: and they have definitely I think shocked a lot of people,

1214
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 2: just based on the people in my life. We have

1215
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: upcoming local body elections in just a few months time,

1216
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: and then we've got central body like central government elections

1217
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: in a year in a bit of time. Is it

1218
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: going to impact either of these elections?

1219
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 6: Ben No, Look, I wouldn't have thought so. I mean,

1220
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 6: remember it's a bit of a lagging indicator. These are

1221
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 6: the valuations from about a year ago compared to the

1222
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 6: valuations from twenty twenty one, which themselves was sort of

1223
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 6: you know, pricing in a lot of growth from the

1224
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 6: absolutely insane housing mane at them continuing, you know, the

1225
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 6: economy should be improving. People will be paying lists for

1226
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 6: the mortgages as the infrast rate reductions flow through. So

1227
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 6: I look, I think people will be feeling a bit

1228
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 6: grouchy if they if they get the lidder looked online

1229
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 6: on the Herald or something and seeing that their property

1230
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 6: has fallen in value. But look, at least they want

1231
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 6: to sell up to cash up right now, They'll probably

1232
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 6: be feeling a bit rosy account eliction time.

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00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 21: Coming up, because I think as an economist, I'm just

1234
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 21: sort of that there's one thing that does affect that,

1235
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 21: which is what I think we call an economics the

1236
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 21: wealth effect.

1237
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 2: Absolutely, when you see your.

1238
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 21: House press keep going up, you feel wealthier, so you

1239
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 21: go out and you spend more money you because you're

1240
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 21: assuming the house is going to basically bail you out

1241
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 21: of the need for saving later on. And if people

1242
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 21: have lost that wealth effect, not only will they be

1243
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 21: feeling grumpy at various elections, but they then won't be

1244
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 21: spending and that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy in terms

1245
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 21: of the economy.

1246
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: I mean, is it fair to say that you would

1247
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: expect a quiet weekend and retail this weekend.

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00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 21: I think what you would see is people not perhaps

1249
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 21: investing as much in things like new kitchens or double glazing,

1250
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,959
Speaker 21: or they may wait a bit to reroof the house,

1251
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 21: and as a consequence, those long durables, those sorts of

1252
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 21: things might see not quite the increase because people aren't

1253
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 21: feeling as wealthy in their pockets and knowing that if

1254
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 21: all else fails, they can sell their house and they

1255
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 21: can clear their death.

1256
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 2: Okay, And so as a result, we go further into

1257
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: the slum that we're at, slump that we're in at

1258
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: the moment. All right, guys, take a break, come back shortly.

1259
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: It's called it to sex.

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00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty achieve extraordinary

1261
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

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00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: Are you beg of the huddle? Craig Rinny and being

1263
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: Thomas Craig, do you believe that corruptions increasing in the country.

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00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 21: I think we've fallen down the perceptions of corruption and

1265
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 21: transparency indexes. I think we've always probably had corruption. You know,

1266
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 21: it's whether or not we're prepared to admit it. And

1267
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 21: whether or not we've got more of it or less

1268
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 21: of it, I'm not entirely sure about that. But we

1269
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 21: should never hid ourselves that we've never had it in

1270
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 21: New Zealand.

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00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: No, of course we've had it, and of course it's

1272
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: got worse. But I mean, you can't report all of

1273
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: those criminals from Australia and not get worse. But what

1274
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: do you do about it? Like, is there anything we

1275
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: can actually do or is it just reality? Now that

1276
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: we have to live with it?

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00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 6: Well, I mean I think we have to live with

1278
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 6: it in a base level in a way that we

1279
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 6: previously probably didn't have to. You know, in the past

1280
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 6: news corruption in New Zealand has been ever a prison,

1281
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 6: but it's more of that sort of up makes it

1282
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 6: do it makes favors, you know, just one of the

1283
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 6: boys sort of things as opposed to really organized crime.

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00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 6: And you know, I think you made a very good

1285
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 6: point earlier, you know, strategically placing people to sort of

1286
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 6: you know, you.

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00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 2: Know, smuggle the drugs, yeah, yeah, and.

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00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 6: And find themselves inside organizations. Look, no, organized crime huge

1289
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 6: problem with its genesis, I think in the five oh

1290
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 6: ones it's a really sort of blew the whole scene up,

1291
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 6: and it will be you know, it's a very slow

1292
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 6: way back for our police and for our authorities, and

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Speaker 6: it means a lot a lot more strictness, a lot

1294
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 6: more security, you know, and more internal processes. So it's

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01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 6: not just fitting people, you know, at the recruitment stage,

1296
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 6: but also making sure that you've got more transparency you know,

1297
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 6: on the job as well.

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01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 2: Craig, is Chippy really going to leave farmers out of

1299
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: the ets or is he just saying it so that

1300
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: they're not mean to him at field days?

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Speaker 21: I have absolutely no idea. What I do know is

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Speaker 21: that there's a policy process that earlier parties going through

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Speaker 21: on everything and all of its policies after the last election,

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Speaker 21: and that's where we're right now. So I think what

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Speaker 21: he was saying to you guys, we're talking about all

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Speaker 21: the policies in the party manifesto and we're talking to

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Speaker 21: you know, affected parties in various situations and as a consequence,

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Speaker 21: it's just like we would be talking in housing, we

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Speaker 21: talk or we talk to welfare groups about potential changes

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Speaker 21: in any welfare So this is just another part of

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Speaker 21: that overall party policy process.

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Speaker 4: That great. This must be so hard.

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Speaker 2: This must be hard for you guys, because you know,

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Speaker 2: especially in an MMP, you know, you guys have to

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Speaker 2: look at what your coalition partners want, who are pretty

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Speaker 2: extreme left, versus what the country wants. And the country

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Speaker 2: actually sits sort of slightly conservative on the middle. So

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Speaker 2: is it really hard for you to figure out where

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Speaker 2: to go.

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Speaker 21: On this with every Well, we're a party of our

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Speaker 21: values and there's a consequence, you know, when we're selling

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Speaker 21: our policies, that's the things that we talk to the

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Speaker 21: country word, and that's you know that that's the policies

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Speaker 21: that we would take forward to the country. I think

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Speaker 21: we're quite straight about where that is in terms of

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Speaker 21: the level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, but Craig, come on, you know

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Speaker 2: you've been doing this for a long time. We've all

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Speaker 2: been following politics for a long time. You have to

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Speaker 2: take into consideration that you're going to have your lunch

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Speaker 2: chop by the people on your left, so you have

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Speaker 2: to consider what they do as well.

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Speaker 21: Right, I think all parties have to consider what their

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Speaker 21: potential coalition parties are doing. I think the National Party

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Speaker 21: is doing that right now. But whether or not you

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Speaker 21: do that eighteen months out before an election.

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Speaker 19: I'm not entirelysuer.

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Speaker 21: And you know right now the party is just going

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Speaker 21: through what it's policy might be, rather than I think

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Speaker 21: wondering where is in terms of whether or not the

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Speaker 21: Green Party as a party, Mari or anybody else would

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Speaker 21: support that policy.

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Speaker 2: True, okay, Bin? Do you ever load up your online

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Speaker 2: shopping trolley and then go nah, can't bothered and bail out?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, it's almost like windows shopping or putting

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Speaker 6: a bookmark in Sometimes what are.

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Speaker 2: You putting in your shopping trolley? Like muscaa wine food?

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Speaker 6: The risk of sounding lay second hm books, it's second

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Speaker 6: had books and occasionally you know ice hockey jerseys really yeah,

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Speaker 6: well they're you know, they're they're they're they're comfortable sip.

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Speaker 2: So it's not necessarily you're an ice hockey fair I

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Speaker 2: love that. Just get that old comfy one on. What

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Speaker 2: about you, Craig?

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Speaker 19: Do you do this thing?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 21: Yeah all the time. It's just I think Ben's is

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Speaker 21: at the right. It's basically windows shopping, yeah, because it's

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Speaker 21: so much easy to click or I'll put it in

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Speaker 21: the basket, but then I'll make a decision later and

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Speaker 21: what are you?

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Speaker 2: You're probably a book by I.

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Speaker 4: Am a I am a book guy.

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Speaker 21: Records Vinyl in there, but not a lot of not

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Speaker 21: a lot of clothes, but in certainly certainly not ice

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Speaker 21: hockey jerseys are.

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Speaker 2: You putting in? They're putting a bit of pink Floyd No.

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Speaker 21: No, God, no, no, no much more sort of the

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Speaker 21: Pixies nineteen ninety sort of drunge. Oh mate, no, you're

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Speaker 21: talking my life.

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Speaker 8: I know you.

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Speaker 2: I've picked you now now I know everything about you.

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Speaker 2: All right, you can tell a lot by man's music consumption,

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Speaker 2: can't you. Guys? Thank you, Ben Thomas, Craig Renny. I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what have you heard of? Sonic youth? You

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Speaker 2: want to listen to a punish? I mean, imagine that?

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Speaker 2: What even is the tube? A that's a punish, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: I tried, I really tried to be cool and I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Seven Away from six It's the.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio powered by News Talks B.

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Speaker 2: Five away from six, Tell you what we've got. Paul

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Speaker 2: Bloxam with us after half past six, obviously HSBC's chief economists.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask him about the wealth effect, because the

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Speaker 2: wealth effect is a bit what Craig Rennie was just

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Speaker 2: talking about before with the house prices is actually quite significant.

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Speaker 2: I think wallet's going what the whole bunch of wallets

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Speaker 2: went today in Auckland, And yeah, it's going to suck

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Speaker 2: to be part of this economy for a little bit

1389
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Speaker 2: because of that. Hither listening to the huddle as Auckland

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Speaker 2: loner landowners were genuinely feeling ripped off because rates should fall,

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Speaker 2: not ry with decreasing value. Wise it called a rate

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Speaker 2: when it's in fact a tax. Well, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: whatever can split hairs about that. I'm getting a lot

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Speaker 2: of texts like that, and it seems to me that

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Speaker 2: I'm a little bit surprised. But it would appear to

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Speaker 2: me that most people don't understand how the rating system works.

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Speaker 2: So rates are going to go up for everybody, Like

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01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: everybody's rates are going to go up because you don't

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Speaker 2: pay rates based on your the value of your property.

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Speaker 2: The value of your property only determines. It's sort of

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01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 2: like where does your property rate compared to others? And

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Speaker 2: if you're above average, you pay more rates, and if

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Speaker 2: you're below average, you pay fewer rates because we share

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01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 2: the rates burdened between ourselves, right, so everybody's the rates

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Speaker 2: are going to go up by five point eight percent,

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Speaker 2: and so basically everybody's going to go up regardless. However,

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Speaker 2: I think there may be the exception where if your

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Speaker 2: property has fallen by a considerable amount, like forty to

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Speaker 2: fifty percent, and there are examples of that out there,

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Speaker 2: maybe your rates actually do go backwards. Because you now

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Speaker 2: you've just gone backwards so far that Oh, it's so complicated,

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01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: and I can't even explain it to you. Probably I

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Speaker 2: understand it. But you're not going to be convinced by

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01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: that right now, are you. You're just going to have

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01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 2: to believe it. Maybe go google it, maybe maybe get

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01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: yourself the che GPT and urs che GPT to explain

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Speaker 2: to you how the rates work. We need to talk

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Speaker 2: about that, because that was disappointing, wasn't it? With Apple

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Speaker 2: over the weekend yesterday? I mean, what am I talking about?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Hither I was ordering wine today. Delivery cost was advertised

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Speaker 2: as one dollar for twelve bottles. I ordered eighteen bottles,

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01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 2: so the charge went from one dollar to eight dollars

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Speaker 2: ninety so I did not complete the order. There you go, right.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to the climate consultant next about the climate

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Speaker 2: lawyers suing the government newstalksz'b.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Insight the Business Hour with hither Duplicy

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Speaker 1: and Mayor's Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your

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Speaker 1: Future newstalks eNB.

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Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour. Brad Olsen is

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01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 2: going to talk us through moving house. Apparently we're doing

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Speaker 2: it a lot at the moment. Jamie McKay is on

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01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 2: the way to Field Days in Paul Bloxham on what

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Speaker 2: our mortgage rates are going to be doing in the

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Speaker 2: near future. At seven pass Sex Now, a group of

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Speaker 2: lawyers is taking the government to court over the emissions

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Speaker 2: reduction Plan. The lawyers say that the plan is dangerously

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Speaker 2: inadequate and challenges the use of forestry to offset emissions.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Christina Hood is a climate consultant. Hey Christina, Hi Thereheather,

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Speaker 2: good to be here. Thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Now let's say that they prove their case. Can they

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Speaker 2: actually force the government to do something like change the plan?

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Speaker 23: Well, that's actually what they're asking for. They're asking for

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Speaker 23: the court to say that the plan is inadequate according

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01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 23: to what's required under New Zealand law, and then the

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Speaker 23: government would have to go back and have a rethink.

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Speaker 2: Would the government have to.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, the court can order them to go back and

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01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 23: do a new plan. There was a judicial review about

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01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 23: the missions training scheme a couple of years ago and

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Speaker 23: the High Court in that case told the government to

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Speaker 23: go back and have another thing. Can the government did that.

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01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 2: And can the government tell Can the court tell the

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Speaker 2: government what it wants changed, what it wants to see,

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Speaker 2: and be quite prescriptive about it.

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Speaker 23: That's a little less likely. What's more likely to happen

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Speaker 23: is that if the lawyers established that the government hasn't

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Speaker 23: taken into account all of the relevant factors when it

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01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 23: was making the plan, the court could say, when you

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Speaker 23: go and have another thing, you must consider these aspects

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Speaker 23: and properly take them into account. Now, what's more about

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Speaker 23: how they do it than what the end outcome is.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that the lawyers have a problem

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Speaker 2: with is the use of forestry and the bang on

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01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: about that, aren't they because that is actually good. That

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Speaker 2: is the weakest part of this plan, isn't it.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, it's been a big part of news Ellen's climate

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Speaker 23: approach for a long time, and it's it's puss. It's

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Speaker 23: used by date. To be honest, we've been using tree

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Speaker 23: planting as a substitute for getting on with decarbonizing our economy.

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Speaker 23: And you can't do that forever. You can't just keep

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Speaker 23: planting trees. We are going to have to move at

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Speaker 23: some point.

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Speaker 2: But Christina, we get the bigger problem that we're not

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Speaker 2: actually going to even end up planting enough trees, like

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01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 2: it's going to get to twenty thirty and we're going

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01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 2: to be so far short on what we're supposed to

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01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 2: do that we're supposed to send twenty eight billion dollars

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Speaker 2: or whatever off shorter plant trees and we're.

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Speaker 8: Just not going to do it.

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Speaker 23: Well, that's a separate that's a separate issue that's not

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Speaker 23: even covered by this challenge. This one is about our

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01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 23: domestic pathway, our target unto the Paris Agreement, as a

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01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 23: whole other kettle of fish that the government's not dealing with.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what's the problem as far as you see

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Speaker 2: it with planting the trees.

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Speaker 23: It's what there's a couple of things. One is just

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01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 23: it's a it's a strategy that is that it just

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Speaker 23: only works in the short term. It's like papering over

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Speaker 23: the cracks.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 23: We can use it to keep emitting and just try

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Speaker 23: and plant enough trees to compensate, but we run out

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Speaker 23: of the ability to do that. You can't do it

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Speaker 23: at global level. There's not enough land to plant enough

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Speaker 23: trees on to cover all the fossil fuel use. At

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Speaker 23: a global level, we need to cut fossil fuel emissions

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Speaker 23: by about ninety percent and then it might be that

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Speaker 23: nature restoration can kind of cover the rest.

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Speaker 4: Of the gap.

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Speaker 23: Christie, we can't do nothing.

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Speaker 2: What is motivating these laws? Is it someone paying them?

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Speaker 2: Are they just doing this out of the goodness of

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Speaker 2: their own hearts?

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Speaker 23: It's pro bono. It's just a group of lawyers who

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01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 23: are concerned about you know, a Liverpool future for us

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Speaker 23: and for our kids and wanting to use their skills

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Speaker 23: in law to try and do something about it.

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Speaker 2: And if this was if this proves to be successful,

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Speaker 2: do you think there will be copycat suits around the world.

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Speaker 23: Well, there's already you know, been lawsuits like this and

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Speaker 23: lots of places around the world. In the UK, our

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Speaker 23: legislation in New Zealand is modeled on what they have

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Speaker 23: in the UK, and the UK government's climate plan has

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Speaker 23: been thrown out twice actually by the courts for being inadequate,

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Speaker 23: so it's almost like we're copying them rather than the

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Speaker 23: other way around.

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Speaker 2: All right, Christina, thanks very much. I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Christina Hood, climate consultant Hever dol. Okay, listen, have you

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Speaker 2: been into the supermarket today, because I went and got

1521
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: sent in to the New World to go by. I

1522
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 2: think it was granola and cream this morning. And as

1523
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 2: I was walking past the checkouts, I saw the new

1524
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 2: promotional thing that they're doing at New World, which is

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01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 2: the Smeg thing. And can I just say thank you

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01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 2: to New World for actually lifting the game, Because when

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01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 2: Woollies did the thing with the cardboard boxes, that was

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01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 2: a low point, wasn't it. I thought, Oh, jeez, we

1529
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 2: run out of ideas that badly that we're now giving

1530
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 2: kids a little bits of cardboard to fold into weird

1531
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 2: little boxes and the only people who collected is ants

1532
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 2: who's not even a child is a fully grown adult anyway,

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Speaker 2: So I was pleased to see we were back to

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Speaker 2: actually collecting proper things. All of us in the office

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01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 2: have decided that that what and if you haven't seen it,

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01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 2: it's Meg Crook cookery stuff.

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Speaker 21: Right.

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Speaker 2: You've got the bakeder'sh You've got the utensil pot, You've

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01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 2: got a little utensil rest thing, You've got a cast

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01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 2: iron brazier. You got all this, you know, like that

1541
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 2: little mini pots to give you a little crembreulets and whatever. Anyway,

1542
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: we have all decided in the office. This is the

1543
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 2: order in which you need to to approach this, right.

1544
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 2: Your first aim is to get the cast iron brazier

1545
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 2: because that is the business. How many stickers do you need,

1546
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: like forty four stickers or something ridic is huge. Plus

1547
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 2: you need to add money to it. And it's only

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01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 2: for people who've got a New World card, so this

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01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 2: is definitely where they're making their money on this one.

1550
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 2: But that's the business, that's the boss. That's the one

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01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 2: that you want. But then you are going immediately downscale

1552
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 2: after that, and you're only going to need a few

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01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 2: points for the next one. You want the utensil rest

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01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: because there is nothing more irritating. I don't know if

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01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: you find this then stirring your tie curry with the

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01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 2: little wooden spoon and then you're like, oh, I've got

1557
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 2: to stir it in a minute again. But now the

1558
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: spoon's full of stuff, and then you have to put

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01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 2: it down on the bench, don't you. And you've just

1560
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: got on the bench. You gotta wipe that up later.

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01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 2: But now if you've got the utensil rest, you pop

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01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 2: it on that. So you're going cast iron brazer. You're

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01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 2: going utensal rest. No one needs a utensil pot because

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01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 2: you do not need you utensils on display. That's what

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01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: you have draws for, so don't worry about that one.

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01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 2: You don't need the mini pots unless you are only

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01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 2: two people who do crembreulats at home. But if you're

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01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 2: having a dinner party of eight, it's a lot of

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01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: collecting for that. So I also feel like the minipots

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01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 2: are just a gimmick. Just let them go. So then

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01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 2: so you're going cast iron braser. Then you're going utensil rest.

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01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: Then I think you're going large baking dish because I

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01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 2: don't think you've got one that bag at home. And

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01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 2: then you're going medium baking dish, and everything else you

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01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about. I'll see you there for

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Speaker 2: the cast Iron Braser sixteen oh fourteen, Maths past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper Cell and Drive Full Show podcast

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01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by news dog Zeppi. Everything

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 1: from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour with

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mars, Insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth,

1581
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 1: Protect your Future.

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Speaker 4: These talks eNB.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen past six and Brad Olson, Infametric's principal economist, is

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01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 2: with us. Hello, Brad, good evening. We're moving house a

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Speaker 2: lot at the moment, are we?

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Speaker 24: It seems that way.

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Speaker 22: The latest census starter out from Statsenz does show that

1588
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,719
Speaker 22: over time we've been seeing quite a lot of moving.

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01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 22: Around forty five percent of New Zealanders moved address over

1590
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 22: the five years between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty three,

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01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 22: slightly higher than the last five year periods, so obviously

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Speaker 22: quite a lot of shift. Two big trends that came

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Speaker 22: through in the numbers, though generally a bit more of

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01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 22: a shifts south than we normally see, particularly into the

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01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 22: likes of Otago and Canterbury, but also a real shift

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Speaker 22: where previously everyone was flocking for the cities now it's

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 22: a little bit. It's not an exodus, but definitely a

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01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 22: of a shift where people are trying to find an

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01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 22: option nearby to a city, but not in the middle

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Speaker 22: of the congestion. People seeming to like those sort of

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01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 22: fringe areas outside the main urban centers where they can

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01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 22: get a better lifestyle offering probably a slightly cheaper house price.

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01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 22: Seems to be sort of a bit of a sweet spot.

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01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 2: Are we're moving more than we normally would, We're moving.

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01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 24: Ever so slightly more so.

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Speaker 22: Back in over the five years to twenty eighteen, about

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01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 22: forty four point six percent of the population shifted address

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01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 22: forty five point two percent, so a little bit more

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01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 22: over the five years to twenty twenty three. Now, of

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01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 22: course that's normal. Like people move, it's just often you

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01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 22: don't make huge, huge moves. Seventy seven percent of New

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01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 22: Zealanders who moved within the last five years, they still

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01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 22: stayed within the same region, so pretty close to you know,

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01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 22: wherever original home base, whether they're not sort of shifting massively.

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01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,560
Speaker 22: Sixteen point six percent moved to a different region on

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01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 22: the same island. And that so again, often people stay

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 22: a little bit closer to what they normally have but

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01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 22: put it this way, I think what you're seeing and

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01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 22: what you've really had emerged since COVID has come through,

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01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 22: is that working from home is now much greater focus

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01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 22: for people, and that's opening up a lot of employment opportunities,

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01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 22: a lot of new housing opportunities, which means that the

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01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 22: old idea of go to the cities that's where all

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01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 22: the economic activity is isn't strictly true anymore.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Brad, can you please explain how the ratings valuations

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Speaker 2: work for people who think that their property having fallen

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Speaker 2: should lead to a ratings decrease.

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Speaker 22: Yes, and I can understand because normally, right, we haven't

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01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 22: gone through many periods in New Zealand's history where house

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01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 22: prices have gone down, certainly not by quite as much. Effectively, though,

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Speaker 22: the council is using the rating valuations to help split

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Speaker 22: up the rates pie And so because there's an average

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Speaker 22: increase this year I think in Auckland of around five

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Speaker 22: point eight percent if you've had a so that's what

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Speaker 22: the average household would get. Now we also know the

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Speaker 22: average house has fallen in price by around about nine

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01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 22: percent over the period. So if you've had a nine

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01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 22: percent full, you're still going to pay five point eight

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01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 22: percent more in rates. If you've had a larger than

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01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 22: nine percent full, you'll probably have a slightly smaller increase

1641
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 22: in rates. It'll go up, but maybe by just a

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 22: couple percentage points. If your house hasn't fallen quite as much,

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01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 22: if it's fallen by less than that nine percent, you're

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01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 22: going to pay probably more than a six percent increase

1645
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,759
Speaker 22: in rates this year only because the cost of delivering

1646
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 22: services has gone up. There's more people. Everything's become a

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01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 22: whole lot more expensive, both for households but also for

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01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 22: councilors who've got to buy some of those services. So

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01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 22: the ratings, the cvs, they're not a good measure of

1650
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 22: what your house is actually worth at any given time.

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Speaker 22: They're sort of a snapshot. We almost shouldn't publish them.

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01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 22: You do wonder where a council should sort of say,

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01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 22: look every house, and you know your house, Heather is

1654
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 22: going to pay zero points zero zero one two percent

1655
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 22: of the total rates bill and that's what you get.

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01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: Yep. Is it possible that people that some people may

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01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 2: have had a fall in their house value it is

1658
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: so massive that they end up with the rates decrease.

1659
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 2: Possibly the number of cent falls.

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Speaker 22: Potentially, but it would also probably depend on the services

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01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 22: that they are getting from the council where they are

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Speaker 22: in the city. I mean, one thing that we noted

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Speaker 22: from Auckland Council was that some of the apartments in

1664
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 22: the central city have seen some pretty big decreases relative

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01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 22: to otherwise. But again in the city, they're using a

1666
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 22: lot of the resources that come through that, you know,

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01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 22: all of the roads, all of the wastewater, storm water,

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01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 22: water services and that, so it'd be a very unusual

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01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 22: situation that anyone's rates would outright go down. The biggest

1670
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 22: win you can probably get is having a larger fall

1671
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 22: and not too big of a rates increase this time around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brad, thank you as always appreciated. Brad Olson, Informetric's

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Speaker 2: principal economists. Hey, first week of the road Cones tip line,

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01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 2: nearly four hundred complaints. How many exactly, let me get

1675
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy five complaints in the first working week.

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01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 2: At least two of them were in my name. Didn't

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01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 2: do it? Just people have been borrowing my name and

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01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 2: you're more than welcome to And in fact, two people

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01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 2: borrowed my name today at five o'clock and made complaints

1680
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 2: and once again very happy about that. Tell you what,

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01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 2: every time I see a road code, now, ay do

1682
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 2: you do this? Every time I see a road and

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01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 2: I go m hm meany you got that? Anah, that's okay,

1684
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: not going to complain about it. But I am looking

1685
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 2: forward to the first time I see actually something worth

1686
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 2: complaining about, because boy, I'm firing that in and then

1687
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to put in the notes as well. This

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01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 2: is actually Heather Duplissy Allen, not the other people who've

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01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 2: been pretending so actually act on this please.

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Speaker 1: Six twenty two, the Rural Report with MSD Animal Health

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Speaker 2: Jamie McKay Hosts of the Countries with Us A.

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Speaker 8: Jamie, can I hear that you're in a car?

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01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 2: Are you in a car on the way to Field Days?

1695
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 8: Yes, I am in a car.

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01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 3: I'm sorry if there's a bit of road noise, but

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01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 3: we can't afford to stop because it's taken us about

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01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 3: an hour from the airport to get to take in

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01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 3: Inny and then we're heading down to the tron We've

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01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 3: got a bit of a dinner date down there. Tonight

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01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 3: ahead of three days of broadcasting at Field Days.

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01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 2: Are you expecting, I mean, I expect that Field Days

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01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 2: is going to be reasonably upbeat, isn't it? With all

1704
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 2: of the prices that are being paid.

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Speaker 8: At the moment, I think it might even be better

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01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 8: than that.

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Speaker 3: To be perfectly honest, Heather, I think this has been

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01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 3: a good year for nearly all well most farming classes

1709
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 3: put it that way. But I think the icing on

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01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 3: the cake was the budget announcement, and I think we

1711
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 3: talked about this one last week of the investment tax boost.

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Speaker 8: So basically, if you're buying a big.

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01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 3: Ticket item, you get another twenty percent or effectively can

1714
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 3: claim another twenty percent of depreciation in year one. It

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01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 3: saves you a heck of a lot of money. So look,

1716
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 3: I think for the big ticket items it's going to

1717
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 3: be all on that could be cues at the track,

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01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 3: the stands.

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01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 2: Who knows you even no Aucklanders are coming down? Do

1720
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 2: do very many people come down who are outside of

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01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 2: the rural world?

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01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 21: Oh?

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01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 12: Yeah? Yeah?

1724
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 3: Like if you compare this to say, the Southern Field

1725
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Speaker 3: Days at Ymurmu, just outside of Gore, it's nearly all

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01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 3: farmers and rural no look, there's lots of craft these

1727
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 3: sort of things there, and for people who aren't even

1728
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 3: interested in farming, twelve hundred exhibitors. Ever, it takes you know,

1729
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 3: it takes you two or three days to get around

1730
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 3: the whole lot if you were keen enough to do that.

1731
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 3: But you know, I always love getting into, for instance,

1732
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 3: the innovation. What was not a stand, that's a building

1733
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 3: now and you can go in there and look what

1734
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 3: farmers or people who have rural clients have invented in

1735
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 3: the past twelve months. And some of these go on

1736
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 3: to be patented and become huge commercial successes.

1737
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 8: So that's always one to look out for.

1738
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 3: And of course you've got the big big players there,

1739
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 3: the fonterras and cos, the fertilizer companies, the meat companies,

1740
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 3: and they're they're entertaining their clients, giving them a bit

1741
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 3: of a free feed.

1742
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 8: At Field Days. It's very much about networking, to be perfectly.

1743
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 2: Honest, oh brilliant. Well, listen, go and enjoy your dinner

1744
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 2: and enjoy Field Days and we'll have a chat to

1745
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 2: you again on Thursday and see how things are going.

1746
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 2: That's Jimmy McKay, host of the Country. Very sad News

1747
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: today to read that Frederic Fallsyth, who wrote Day of

1748
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 2: the Jackal has died. Former six agent, former journalist.

1749
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 4: Former journalists. Did I made that?

1750
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 2: Make that up? I don't know if he was a

1751
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 2: former journist, who's a former sex agent. Frankly, that's more important,

1752
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 2: doesn't it anyway? Funny funny funny to be saying, well,

1753
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 2: it's nothing funny about it at all. I mean, that's

1754
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 2: a terrible word.

1755
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 7: Tock.

1756
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 2: Come sorry. It's interesting that it's happened at this time

1757
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 2: because of course Day of the Jackal has just been

1758
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 2: turned into the most wonderful TV series, which if you

1759
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 2: haven't seen it on TVNSM plus, you absolutely must go

1760
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 2: and have a look at It's got all make the

1761
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 2: ginger one who was an Danish girl fantastic Eddie Redmay

1762
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 2: that's his name. But do you know, I tried to

1763
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 2: read the book again. I try to reread it after

1764
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 2: watching it, and it's it's very slow, isn't it. It's

1765
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 2: very of its time. So I don't know if I

1766
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 2: would bother rereading the book, but definitely go and watch

1767
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,799
Speaker 2: that show, which captures the essence of the book brilliant.

1768
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 2: Paul Bloxham next.

1769
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 4: It's beautiful, says it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1771
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: The business hour with him, the duplic Ellen and theirs,

1772
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

1773
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 4: News talks eNB.

1774
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 2: And Brady is back with us for the first time

1775
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 2: in something more than a week because of course he's

1776
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 2: pulled out of the race down South. As when I

1777
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: say down South, I mean South America. He's going to

1778
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: be with us very shortly. Right now it is twenty

1779
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 2: four away from seven and Paul blocks from ah Species

1780
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 2: chief economists with us. Hey, Paul, are you even more

1781
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 2: confused this week than last about where the rates are

1782
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 2: going in New Zealand?

1783
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 13: No, I don't think so. I mean, I think I

1784
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 13: thought you were going to ask me about am I

1785
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 13: confused about the global picture? There's so much going on

1786
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 13: every day, it's shifting and changing and so on. But no,

1787
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 13: I think. I mean, I think the RBNZ is getting

1788
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 13: near the end of the using phase. And that's the

1789
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 13: view we've had for a while. I mean, we've got

1790
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 13: one more cut penciled into our central case. But I

1791
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 13: think that now the question is do we get that

1792
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 13: or not? Because no, the New Zealand economy is in

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01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 13: an upswing. The partial indicators are showing an upswing. I

1794
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 13: would point out that we HSBC have been the top

1795
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 13: of consensus in terms of the forecast. We've had the

1796
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,719
Speaker 13: strongest forecasts of all of the economists for New Zealand

1797
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 13: for this year, and we've had that all year long

1798
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 13: so far. And I think I'm sticking by that story

1799
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 13: that I think New Zealand's going to be in a good,

1800
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 13: strong upswing. And I think there are two big things

1801
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 13: going on, and we've said this again all year long. One,

1802
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 13: interest rates have come down a long way and they

1803
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 13: are going to start to get some grip and lift

1804
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 13: the economy, and I think you've seen some signs of that.

1805
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 13: And Two, you've seen this very strong rise in dairy

1806
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 13: prices that is boosting incomes in the agricultural sector and

1807
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 13: we know that can be a pretty big force for

1808
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 13: New Zealand. Once that gets going, it can really start

1809
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 13: to see more capex and more spending and more money

1810
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 13: coming into the cities as well. And so think those

1811
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 13: two forces are turning the New Zealand economy around. We've

1812
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 13: got growth of two percent this year, and as I say,

1813
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 13: the highest growth forecast of any of the sort of forecasters.

1814
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 2: That people will be so thrilled to hear that because

1815
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 2: it's been such a tough grind, as you know, for

1816
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 2: the last few years in New Zealand. Tell me then,

1817
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 2: what you think is going on globally? I mean, where

1818
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 2: are we at now?

1819
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 13: Well, I think we're still yet to see there's still

1820
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 13: some bad news yet to come. I think that's the

1821
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 13: way I would see it. I sort of think about

1822
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 13: it as a three stage process. We've had a huge

1823
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 13: rise in uncertainty. All of this stuff that's going on

1824
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 13: with trade policy has increased uncertainty to high levels. And

1825
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,759
Speaker 13: uncertainty is not good for growth. It makes businesses cautious

1826
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 13: and it means they don't know where where to invest

1827
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 13: and so on. We haven't seen the full effect of

1828
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 13: that yet in the economic indicators, and that's partly because

1829
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 13: we've had massive front loading. You know, there's been a

1830
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 13: whole bunch of pool forward of activity to try and

1831
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 13: get ahead of the arrival of the tariffs that are

1832
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 13: going to arrive, and so that's increased imports and increased

1833
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 13: exports and increased consumer spending. It's boost the activity indicators,

1834
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 13: but it's going to roll over. And when when that rollo,

1835
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 13: when that front loading is finished, it's going to weaken growth.

1836
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 13: And I think we're still going to be in quite

1837
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:10,879
Speaker 13: an uncertain global environment.

1838
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Speaker 3: You know.

1839
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Speaker 13: My sense is policy is shifting and changing so quickly

1840
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 13: that uncertainty will still be there. So I still think

1841
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 13: that's quite a bit of bad news for the global

1842
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,679
Speaker 13: macroeconomy yet to feed through to the actual numbers.

1843
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 2: Now, Paul, the thing is, we've had some bad news

1844
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 2: in Auckland today. Obviously, everybody's houses has gone backwards, and

1845
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 2: you know, the wealth effect would suggest that as a result,

1846
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 2: the old wallets are going to snapshot. How long does

1847
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 2: it take for us to get over a disappointment like

1848
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 2: that before we start spending again.

1849
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 13: Well, my understanding is this is a reflection of house

1850
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 13: price declines that have already happened. Yes, And actually the

1851
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 13: housing market is already starting to stabilize because interest rates

1852
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 13: are coming down. And actually we should think about this

1853
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 13: as a reassessment of the value of houses that then

1854
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 13: affects the rates that people pay. Actually, in principle that

1855
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 13: should mean household's got a bit more income to spend

1856
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 13: because they haven't to spend as much on rates. I mean,

1857
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 13: I it's not clear to me that the sort of

1858
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,600
Speaker 13: perceptions effect of oh, my house price is lower is

1859
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 13: going to be larger than the actual effect of incomes

1860
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 13: they're going to have. The households are going to get

1861
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 13: a bit of a boost to their incomes, because this

1862
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 13: is how the rates are calculated for for for housing.

1863
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 2: Even nobody gets a boost to their income, they just

1864
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 2: get a smaller rate increase potentially, that's right.

1865
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 18: Well, so relative to the expectation that they were going

1866
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 18: to get a larger one, they're not going to get

1867
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:29,879
Speaker 18: going to get a smaller one. So in principle, in principle,

1868
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 18: you've got you've got a little bit more spending power

1869
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 18: than you thought you'd have.

1870
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 2: Well, he's hoping. Paul listen't appreciated as always pulled Blocksham

1871
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 2: Agspecies chief economist.

1872
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 4: Either duplicy Allen yet Listen.

1873
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 2: Disappointing from Apple on the AI front overnight. There was

1874
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 2: hardly anything there. So we were expecting because last year

1875
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 2: at this particular conference that announced that they were going

1876
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 2: to upgrade Siri with the AI and it's going to

1877
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 2: be awesome, blah blah, blah, nothing hardly anything on that

1878
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 2: this time. In fact, AI has once again been somewhat disappointing,

1879
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 2: if not completely disappointing at this conference. Very small AI improvements.

1880
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,679
Speaker 2: So there will be a real time language translation feature

1881
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,839
Speaker 2: that will be integrated into your messages and your FaceTime

1882
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 2: and your iPhone app Android. This is not new. Android

1883
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 2: has had this for years. Apple's only just got this.

1884
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 2: Apple is also on the AI front, going to introduce

1885
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 2: a new fitness app called Workout Buddy, which uses an

1886
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 2: AI generated voice to speak to you during your workouts.

1887
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 2: I know who actually even wants that. That sounds hideous anyway,

1888
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 2: We'll see how it goes for them. People were, as

1889
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 2: I say, expecting the AI upgrades and stuff, so they

1890
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 2: are disappointed on that front. The one thing that AI

1891
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 2: that Apple is doing here is they've announced a partnership

1892
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 2: with chat GPT just to try to help them kind

1893
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 2: of catch up a wee bit on that front. We'll

1894
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 2: see if it pays off or not. I'm not feeling

1895
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 2: great for them on that one. It's the big news

1896
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 2: out of Australia today. By the way, there's been another

1897
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 2: stuff up on the IVF from mo Nash IVF. Now

1898
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 2: what happened. If you've been following what happened here is

1899
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 2: a couple of months ago, Monash Monash whatever IVF in

1900
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 2: Queensland stuck the wrong embryo inside a woman. But they

1901
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 2: didn't do it a couple of months ago. They did

1902
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 2: it about a year before, and they only went public

1903
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 2: with it a couple of months ago. By that stage,

1904
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 2: the woman had given birth to the baby, not her baby,

1905
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:23,759
Speaker 2: a stranger's baby. Now that is devastating because you imagine,

1906
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 2: like you'll go You're not going to IVF because having

1907
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 2: a baby is a straightforward thing, right, You're going to

1908
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 2: IVF because already it's a little bit of it's stressful. Right,

1909
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 2: So finally you managed to fall pregnant and you're look

1910
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 2: super excited about it and it's cost you tens of

1911
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars and then you blinking, we'll find out

1912
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 2: it's not your baby, but you're carrying somebody else's baby.

1913
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 2: And that's without even mentioning how much it sucks to

1914
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 2: be pregnant. Right, Like I thought the other day, I

1915
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I love my baby. I might go

1916
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 2: number three And I was like, oh, hell no, I

1917
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 2: don't want to be pregnant for a third time. Forget

1918
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 2: about it, no way, So you've just carried I don't

1919
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 2: even know what happens to that baby anyway, And nevermind

1920
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 2: got derailed. What happened this time? What's happen and today

1921
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 2: is that have announced that they've just done the same thing,

1922
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 2: haven't they five days ago? It's not quite as bad

1923
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 2: as last time. But five days ago they put an

1924
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 2: embryo into a woman that she didn't want. It was

1925
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 2: her own embryo. She didn't want her own embryo. She

1926
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 2: wanted her partner's embryo. Now I'm reading between the lines

1927
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 2: here that what's happened is that they're a lesbian couple

1928
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 2: and they've already had some kids, one or some and

1929
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 2: they've used her own embryos, so she's carried her own child.

1930
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 2: But if you know a lesbian coupled, you know, if

1931
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 2: you know homosexual couples, you'll know that often they want

1932
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 2: to have one child of one parent and one child

1933
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 2: of the other parent, or whatever however they wanted to

1934
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 2: do it, whatever however they want to structure their family. Whatever,

1935
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 2: this family wanted to be some babies from one mum

1936
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 2: and some babies from the other mum carried by the

1937
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 2: same mum. That didn't happen anyway, so it's not as

1938
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 2: bad as the first time around, but it is terrible

1939
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:53,640
Speaker 2: for Monash obviously to not be trustworthy like this is

1940
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 2: like one oh one a fertility treatment stick the embryo

1941
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 2: in the right person and the right embryo in the

1942
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 2: right person. Do you know what I mean? Result share

1943
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 2: price is not that flesh today, seventeen away from seven,

1944
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:04,600
Speaker 2: croaching the.

1945
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 4: Numbers and getting the results.

1946
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Speaker 1: It's hither to the sea, Ellen with the business hour

1947
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: and mess, insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

1948
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 4: These talks hit me in.

1949
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 2: De Brady, a UK correspondents beck of us into how

1950
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Speaker 2: are you hello, Heather.

1951
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Speaker 24: I'm great, Yeah, just back in the UK, literally just

1952
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 24: landed from Peru, so kind of getting my head around

1953
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,799
Speaker 24: being in London again. No, it's stretching.

1954
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 2: We've been following your progress and the fact that you

1955
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 2: did was it two leagues out of five?

1956
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 6: Yes?

1957
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 24: So I called this a day. At the end of

1958
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 24: stage three, I was five kilometers from the end in

1959
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 24: the Amazon and it was getting dark and I'd seen

1960
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 24: some very seriously good runners get injured leg breaks, ankles,

1961
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 24: collar bones, dislocated shoulders. One woman collapsed because of the humidity,

1962
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 24: and I thought, they're all far fitter and more knowledgeable

1963
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 24: than me. And I was faced with the prospect they're

1964
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 24: heading back into the Amazon as night fell with a

1965
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 24: head torch and it was like an assault course. I mean, heat, humidity, altitude,

1966
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 24: every insect in the world trying to eat you alive.

1967
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 24: It was an amazing experience, but I called it a day.

1968
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 24: At the end of stage three met there was some

1969
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 24: rugby blokes from South Africa who were very much fun

1970
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 24: to be around, and one of them said to me,

1971
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 24: we've got a minibus leaving here out of the Amazon.

1972
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 24: There's a space for you. Do you want to come

1973
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 24: drink some cold beers? So I spent seven hours, seven

1974
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 24: hours on a minibus with these rugby blokes from East

1975
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 24: London in South Africa, and they were so much fun,

1976
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 24: hilarious fellas.

1977
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 2: Loading you in the mini bass, how nice would you've

1978
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 2: got out?

1979
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 4: Oh?

1980
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 24: You basically stay with the race until each stage concludes,

1981
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 24: so you it was like sleep, sleeping in hammocks to humidity.

1982
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 24: It's called the jungle Ultra. They call it the most

1983
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 24: difficult race in the world, and it absolutely is not.

1984
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 24: It's not It's not a running race for me. Now

1985
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 24: I'm done with ultra running. I'm gonna go back to

1986
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 24: my marathons on flat surfaces in lovely cities, and at

1987
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 24: some stage I'll visit New Zealand and we will drink

1988
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 24: something cold and nice at the end after forty two kilometers.

1989
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,600
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, if you give me enough of

1990
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 2: a hits up that you can and I might do

1991
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 2: the marathon with you. I mean, obviously I'm not doing it.

1992
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it with you because obviously you're like,

1993
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 2: whooh why I hear it, and I'll be behind, but

1994
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:20,600
Speaker 2: I might give it a home for you.

1995
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 24: Amazing. We'll find an amazing charity in New Zealand and

1996
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 24: I'll hold you to that.

1997
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:29,719
Speaker 2: Promise myself in trouble already. Okay, Now this winter fuel

1998
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 2: payment U turn. What a surprise, wasn't it.

1999
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 24: Yeah, Look, it was a stupid move to begin with.

2000
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 24: Starmer and Rachel Reeves said that there was no money

2001
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 24: we can't afford to be giving rich pensioners, you know,

2002
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 24: six hundred dollars every winter for their fuel allowance. There

2003
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 24: is an issue in that yeah, every pensioner gets it,

2004
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 24: and yes there are many, many millionaire pensioners who don't

2005
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 24: need it, but unfortunately the people who support labor, the

2006
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 24: working class do need that payment. FRAS has been making

2007
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 24: political hay on this and Starmer's been basically forced into

2008
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 24: a very embarrassing climb down. So they now need to

2009
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 24: find two and a half billion dollars to fund it.

2010
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 2: Listen, Inda, I feel uncomfortable about this. Who has told

2011
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,679
Speaker 2: Gary link that he can't speak at this memorial service.

2012
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,799
Speaker 24: So Lineker, the England ex soccer player and very famous

2013
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 24: broadcaster now from the BBC, who has just quit the BBC.

2014
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 24: He was lifelong friends with a sports writer called Brian

2015
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 24: Glanville who was one of the best writers. I used

2016
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 24: to read him when I was a kid in Ireland.

2017
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 24: He's passed away at the age of ninety three. There

2018
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 24: is a memorial service coming up now. Brian Glanville was Jewish.

2019
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 24: His daughter decided that she would like Gary Lineker to

2020
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 24: speak at the memorial service, and now the Sun has

2021
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 24: come out and said categorically not, we can't have him speaking.

2022
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 24: My father was a proud friend of Israel and what

2023
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 24: Lineker retweeted the other week with the Ratamoji was basically

2024
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,679
Speaker 24: symbolic of the Nazis in the nineteen thirties and forties.

2025
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 24: So Lineker won't be speaking at the memorial service. I

2026
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,720
Speaker 24: think it's a great shame because Gary is such a

2027
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 24: kind man. He is not anti Semitic. I think, like

2028
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 24: a lot of us, he has very serious concerns about

2029
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 24: what Israel is doing in Gaza, and he has spoken

2030
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 24: up and raised his voice. But unfortunately, the son of

2031
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 24: Brian Landville believes that it will be the wrong thing,

2032
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 24: and ultimately it's a family service for his dad, so

2033
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 24: he gets the call. But it's a shame for Gary

2034
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 24: because I think Gary's getting such an awful backlash for

2035
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 24: something which he has apologized for and said it was.

2036
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 24: Had he seen that Emogi, he would not have retweeted.

2037
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 2: It too right. I mean, as you say, it is

2038
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,720
Speaker 2: his call, but the divisions continue. Enda, thank you very much,

2039
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 2: really appreciate it. We chat you in a couple of

2040
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 2: days and enjoy your break being home. End of Brady

2041
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 2: UK correspondent. Heather isn't a utensil rest, just a plate

2042
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 2: of which everybody already has lots of. What an unnecessary

2043
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 2: and lame product that nobody needs. Look, Simon makes an

2044
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 2: excellent point, and I have had to revisit this somewhat.

2045
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 2: In fact, Laura and I have revisited our top two

2046
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 2: options in the new thing, because Laura didn't realize that

2047
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,640
Speaker 2: the big casse rolly thing that you get, the what

2048
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 2: is it called brazy or whatever, that you needed to

2049
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 2: not only collect the stickers, but you also needed to

2050
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 2: add some money. And she's definitely, she says, she's pulling out.

2051
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 2: She didn't actually need it that much, so she knows

2052
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 2: she needed it at all. She just was gonna collect

2053
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 2: the stickers for it. But if you have to put cash,

2054
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 2: and now now this is this girl, math does not

2055
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 2: work for her. So she's out, and I think, actually

2056
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 2: I'm out too. Are we still on the utensil thing, Laura,

2057
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 2: because as Simon says, you can just put a plate down. Yeah,

2058
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 2: well they're gonna get they are gonna give it to

2059
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 2: you for free. But now you have to find a

2060
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 2: place in the drawer where you have to put this

2061
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 2: weird little utensil thing when you could just use a plate,

2062
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:43,680
Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's going to turn into one

2063
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 2: of those nath things that your mamma, your granny has

2064
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 2: in the drawer, and you're like, water, Yeah, I think

2065
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 2: we're pulling out. Are we pulling out? I think we're

2066
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 2: pulling out of that. I think I'm pulling out all together,

2067
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 2: maybe all together, out of this new world thing. Maybe

2068
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 2: i'ld sort of like half heartedly collect the stickers and

2069
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 2: I'll get myself on like a medium sized bake tray

2070
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 2: or something. But yeah, I don't need this. I don't

2071
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 2: What I need is knives? Can they bring those back?

2072
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 2: Eight away from seven It's the Heather.

2073
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:11,640
Speaker 1: Tiplice Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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2075
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 2: Heather alternative is that you could have your countertop clean

2076
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 2: enough that you can put a utensil down and then

2077
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 2: you wipe the top like you should after anyway, Julie,

2078
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 2: you don't make a bad point, but sometimes you got

2079
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 2: the stuff that's sticky, haven't you, And you're like, you're

2080
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 2: really having to wipe that down and be much easier

2081
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 2: if you could just chuck the plate or the utensil

2082
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 2: thing into the water just to soak, do you know

2083
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 2: what I mean, and then it just comes off really

2084
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 2: easily afterwards. Anyway, enough of that. Did you know? I

2085
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 2: didn't know this, but this is going to go some

2086
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 2: way to explaining the world to you. Every single generation,

2087
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 2: it appears, is using social media differently for posting photos.

2088
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:54,280
Speaker 2: And it's particularly noticeable when they go traveling. Right, so

2089
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 2: when your mum comes back, or your granny comes back,

2090
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 2: or your child comes back, or your auntie or your

2091
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 2: cousin whatever comes back from a trip overseas, they will

2092
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 2: post photos in a different way. So baby boomers are

2093
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 2: the most, Like I'm gonna ring you through the generations,

2094
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 2: the CAD's five of them that we're going to talk about.

2095
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:12,240
Speaker 2: Baby Boomers are going to post the photographs traditionally. Right,

2096
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 2: it's gonna have like a picture of Linda in front

2097
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 2: of the Eieful Tower and she's gonna have her thumbs up,

2098
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,599
Speaker 2: and then it's gonna say something basic at the bottom,

2099
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 2: like had a great time in Paris. Right, basic, baby Boomers,

2100
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 2: they're not over complicating this thing. Generation x's, which is

2101
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 2: your people sort of between the Baby Boomers and my generation.

2102
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 2: So like people around like fifty sixty now whatever, they

2103
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 2: treated like a traditional photo album, right, so be lots

2104
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 2: of lots of photographs. Nothing tacky, like they're selective about

2105
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 2: their photographs. They're just a little bit. I think they're

2106
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:42,679
Speaker 2: bit nice. They take a better photograph than a boomer,

2107
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:44,760
Speaker 2: but they're just gonna have a very short caption, like

2108
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 2: went to Paris twenty twenty four, that kind of thing.

2109
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 2: Millennials my generation, we're gonna we think we're a bit

2110
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 2: more arty, right, We've had photographs in our lives and

2111
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 2: smartphones for longer, so we're gonna do things like it's

2112
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 2: gonna be a bit more cropped, cropped, you know, a

2113
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 2: bit more per us. So we'll have like we'll be like, well,

2114
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 2: we went to a fantastic restaurant in Paris, and then

2115
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 2: we'll sort of, you know, take a photograph of it,

2116
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 2: but it'll be perfectly cropped and it'll just be just

2117
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 2: like that. Gen Zas are absolutely the most irritating. They

2118
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 2: are the ones who are going to they want to

2119
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,599
Speaker 2: look low budget on purpose, so they're gonna take artsy blurs,

2120
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 2: so it'll be like person running in the rain, but

2121
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 2: it'll be all blurry, you know what. You won't know

2122
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,679
Speaker 2: what it is. They will do things like they won't

2123
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 2: post a photograph of the Eiffel Tower they'll post a

2124
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 2: photograph of a cat on a sidewalk, you know, or

2125
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 2: like a waffle randomly and the caption will leave you

2126
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:37,760
Speaker 2: none the wiser because it's for people in the know.

2127
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 2: And then finally, the generation Alphas are too young, but

2128
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 2: they just like they're still like the short attention spans.

2129
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 2: Loved things to be loud and bright.

2130
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 25: So there you go, and a hot fun in the

2131
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 25: summertime by slying the family Stone to play us out's

2132
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 25: the sad one. Unfortunately, sly Stone, who was the funk

2133
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 25: rockstar who was in charge of this outfit, he has

2134
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 25: died at the age of eighty two after a battle

2135
01:39:57,640 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 25: with the lung disease COPD.

2136
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Speaker 2: That's what you get from smoking the vapes, isn't it?

2137
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 4: Or is it?

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01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 17: Okay?

2139
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 8: Well, there you go. Another reason I.

2140
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 2: Don't think he was on the vapes. Obviously something else

2141
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 2: got in, probably the fags. But yeah, just watch out

2142
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,639
Speaker 2: with you what you're pumping into your lung say let

2143
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 2: this be a listen to you see you tomorrow.

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