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Speaker 1: Barry Sober, Senior Political Correspondence with US. Now, Hey, Barry,

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Speaker 1: good I Heather, what do you make of the government

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Speaker 1: softening at stance we'll basically dropping the threat to defund

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Speaker 1: community sports who include transgender women.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know it was said by the Minister of

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Speaker 2: Recreation Sport Chris Bishop, but look all the statements that

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Speaker 2: have been made up until now. It'll be interesting to

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Speaker 2: see what Winston Peter says to you tonight about it.

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Speaker 2: But he essentially has been saying, look, if sports want

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Speaker 2: to maintain their funding, then they must abide by the

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Speaker 2: Coalition agreement on this matter, and that's to withhold funding

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Speaker 2: for sport. And the first utterance of it really was

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Speaker 2: from remember our old mate, the Mayor of Wellington, Andy Foster,

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Speaker 2: who's now their sports spokesman New Zealand first that is,

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Speaker 2: and he said if sporting codes didn't fall into line

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Speaker 2: the policy said, he said, funding would certainly be cut. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is transgender women being involved in community sports, so

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Speaker 2: it's at a lower level. And there was a comprehensive

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Speaker 2: report done by Sport New Zealand CEO Raileian Castle. She said,

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Speaker 2: and she pointed out that look, transgender people in community

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Speaker 2: sport are players, coaches, officials and administrators, so it's very

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Speaker 2: hard to have a blanket ban on this sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: The New Zealand First party would argue it's about safety

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Speaker 2: and fairness. But look, this is, as Chris Bishop said,

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Speaker 2: a very tricky set of issues.

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Speaker 1: There will be more of this, right if there is.

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Speaker 1: If people voted for New Zealand First and the hope

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Speaker 1: that they were going to be able to enact their

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Speaker 1: blanket hardline on transgender community, they're in for a big

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Speaker 1: disappointment because none of the stuff's going to see the

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Speaker 1: light of day, like those weird toilet rules about girls

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Speaker 1: not being able to wear in boy bathrooms and stuff

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Speaker 1: that's also going to get ditched.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well most likely I would imagine which government to

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Speaker 2: support that non and I don't know whether it'll be

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Speaker 2: a die in the ditch issue really for New Zealand First.

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Speaker 2: But now it's come to the four. Of course, Winston

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Speaker 2: Peters has to argue one way or the other.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I cannot believe that we're sending the jet to

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Speaker 1: pick up the PM. Did we not learn from the

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Speaker 1: other day, Well, you.

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Speaker 2: Know it can fly at a higher altitude now and

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Speaker 2: for now. New Zealand Defense has been working very hard

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Speaker 2: on it. But look, it seems to me almost inevitable

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Speaker 2: that two jets will be bought, and yeah, and fairly

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Speaker 2: it'll be done fairly soon. I would imagine you had

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willitts on air this morning. She was basically saying that, look,

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Speaker 2: these were the issues that the government will be working through,

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Speaker 2: that is to get the new planes and luxon from Japan.

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Speaker 2: Just a short while ago he gave a pretty strong

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Speaker 2: indications indication of the planes would be replaced.

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Speaker 3: No government wants to be seen to be spending money

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Speaker 3: on it. And as a result, what happens as you

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Speaker 3: end up deferring the inevitable investment and you end up

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Speaker 3: in the situation that we are today where we're trying

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Speaker 3: to manage assets that are aging and what is a

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Speaker 3: very difficult fiscal constraint. So I think his owners understand

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Speaker 3: that situation. We are in a place where we need

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Speaker 3: to make sure that we can replace that seven five

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Speaker 3: to seven.

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Speaker 2: So there you go, and that dreadful noise in the

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Speaker 2: background he was on a naval ship in Japan. Ah

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Speaker 2: And to that end, I mean the New Zealand Defense

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Speaker 2: Force will be sending an ANZAC class frigate will be

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Speaker 2: deployed to Japan in twenty twenty six. That we frigate

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Speaker 2: go up later this year as well, and a P

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Speaker 2: eight aircraft. Now they'll be up there for essentially monitoring

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Speaker 2: sanctions against North Korean. I heard your Peace on North

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Speaker 2: Korea earlier on that. You know, it's really hot up

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Speaker 2: in that part of the world, and New Zealand is

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Speaker 2: really showing its flag there.

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Speaker 1: So Cinda's got a new job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it Isn't it magnificent? You know, It's what

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Speaker 2: it goes to show in my view is look, I

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Speaker 2: traveled with Jasinda Dern during the course of her Prime

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Speaker 2: minister ship overseas people overseas lover they thought she was

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Speaker 2: absolutely fantastic. So she's landed a new venture where she.

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Speaker 1: Really needed to talk fast. She'll be working because I

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Speaker 1: am getting trigged so to talk fast.

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Speaker 2: She'll be working with global political leaders on a program

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Speaker 2: about leading with kindness.

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Speaker 1: And they don't say that in the boat.

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Speaker 2: I do say it, and tell that to those Tell

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Speaker 2: that to those who faced restrictions during the COVID and

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Speaker 2: being refused to come home unless they want a ballot

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Speaker 2: or tell that to those who refuse permission to visit

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Speaker 2: dying relatives and hospitals or indeed go to that's all.

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Speaker 2: That's hardly kindness. And oh no, no, thank you, very good,

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Speaker 2: save thousandswards.

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Speaker 1: That's enough, Barry, thank you. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent.

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Speaker 1: We're having a little monitor moratorium again on just sin there.

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Speaker 1: We'll come back to it at another stage, many many

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Speaker 1: years from now.

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