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Speaker 1: and give the analysis. Heather Duplessy Ellen Drive with One

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Speaker 2: Talk said be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Coming up on the show today, Barry Sofa has

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Speaker 3: the story of the former minister trying to clear his name.

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Speaker 3: You're going to hear it here first. Then we have

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Speaker 3: the Fonterra boss on the successful vote today, the N

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Speaker 3: New Zealand boss and the Microsoft outage causing trouble today.

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Speaker 3: And the public health guys on why they're refusing to

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Speaker 3: jab small babies against measles. Heather DUPLESSYLA, So I'm going

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Speaker 3: to have to disagree with the Prime Minister on the

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Speaker 3: personal attack on his wealth. I actually think this is

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Speaker 3: fair game. I don't like it, but I think it's

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Speaker 3: fair game. So what has happened is that Chris Hopkins

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Speaker 3: yesterday took a shot at Chris Luxen for selling four

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Speaker 3: houses last year and making more in capital gains off

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Speaker 3: those sales than he did from his Prime ministerial salary.

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Speaker 3: And while he paid tax on his salary, didn't pay

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Speaker 3: any of the tax on the capital games because he

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Speaker 3: doesn't have to. And the Prime Minister's hit back today

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Speaker 3: saying I don't attack his personal finances and I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: expect him to attack mine. But unfortunately for the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 3: his personal finances are actually fair game. Because all politicians

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Speaker 3: finances are fair game. That's why we ask them, not

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Speaker 3: even ask force them to declare what properties they own

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Speaker 3: and what shares they hold, because we recognize that their

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Speaker 3: assets are actually relevant to their jobs and inform their decisions. Now,

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Speaker 3: I don't like that it gets dirty, but it does,

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Speaker 3: like when Michael Wood was forced to resign essentially over

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Speaker 3: the shares he owned, like when Debingado, a packer was

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Speaker 3: busted on the front page of The Herald the other

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Speaker 3: day for not declaring properties she owned. And unfortunately for

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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister, he's actually sorted to blame for dragging

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Speaker 3: his finances into the media by being entitled to his

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Speaker 3: entitlements of claiming the accommodation money and then also claiming

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Speaker 3: the Tesla subsidy that he himself had criticized. So his

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Speaker 3: personal capital gains are highly relevant in a debate about

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Speaker 3: capital gains. Now, actually I hate to say it because

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Speaker 3: I actually hate the idea of a capital gains tax,

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Speaker 3: and I do not want this to ever happen. But

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Speaker 3: this was Labour's best move yet coming at the Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister pointing out how much one person the Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: made in one year from capital games was politically at

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Speaker 3: least a very well aimed blow.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy, Allen, you.

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Speaker 3: Are welcome to a way in on that the huddle

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Speaker 3: will later on. Nine two nine two is the text

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Speaker 3: number standard text fees applied. Now speaking of the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 3: He's had his first meeting with Donald Trump last night

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Speaker 3: and it went very very well. Trump asked Luxem well,

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Speaker 3: they talked about hair first of all, and then Trump

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Speaker 3: asked Luckson what the best golfing spots in New Zealand were,

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Speaker 3: and Luckxon offered Trump a day golfing with Sir John

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Speaker 3: Kiya Tara golf course?

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Speaker 4: Course was Tara eat?

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Speaker 5: I saw what is your passive books?

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Speaker 6: Tara eat?

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Speaker 7: A guide?

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Speaker 2: Will did that one course be?

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Speaker 8: The pastor has said rong is actually how they go

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Speaker 8: about brand on the top ten, which is about Tarif

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Speaker 8: you being a want to come, would John Key?

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Speaker 3: So if it happens, the job falls to John Key

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Speaker 3: to take him out on the golf course. He's have

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Speaker 3: a chat to him, Sir John Key's with us high.

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Speaker 9: John evening, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you feel about hosting Trump on the

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Speaker 3: golf course?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, no problems.

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Speaker 9: I mean I've got for may.

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Speaker 11: I mean I showed Obama around New Zealand. He was

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Speaker 11: a well former president there at that point. But yeah,

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Speaker 11: so I mean beautiful golf courses. Why not it'd be

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Speaker 3: Would you? Would you pick have been Tarati as well?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, probably Taris or maybe Wyreki's gorgeous. I mean that

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Speaker 11: native BirdLife of New Zealand. So that's a fantastic piece

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Speaker 11: of golfing history if you like, in New Zealand. Golf

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Speaker 11: Tariji absolutely beautiful. You know, he's ranked are very high

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't want to make you feel bad about yourself.

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Speaker 3: Does Donald Trump know who you are? When he said

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Speaker 3: he John Key will show you around? Was Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: like John I all know him?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Well, I mean he probably should do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that doesn't mean any.

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Speaker 13: Well, if he could he tracked me out of a lineup,

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Speaker 13: probably not, but you never know.

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Speaker 10: I mean, you live in hope, whatever.

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Speaker 13: But yeah, look, I'm sure he would be so well

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Speaker 13: brief that by the time he actually got to the

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Speaker 13: course with his secret service details and the rest of it,

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Speaker 13: I regually know who I was by the end.

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Speaker 14: But yeah, in theory, does I mean he rang me

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Speaker 14: to congratulate me at one point when I was leaving,

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Speaker 14: and I rang him to wish him the beast when

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Speaker 14: he became president Elite's first time around twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: And you know, normal people would remember that, wouldn't they.

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Speaker 3: But then he's not normal, is he. Now, how do

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Speaker 3: you think Luxeon did?

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Speaker 12: It?

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Speaker 3: Looks to me like that was pretty successful.

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Speaker 11: Looks really successful. I mean, that's the best you can

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Speaker 11: hope for in these kind of events. A pull side

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Speaker 11: is Look, it's just a meeting that you're not basically

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Speaker 11: ushering all the cameras and for straight away, I mean

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Speaker 11: it's the same principle. You have a great opportunity to

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Speaker 11: form a bit of a relationship.

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Speaker 10: I think, as the PM.

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Speaker 9: Had said before he went there.

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Speaker 11: You know, he'd had another phone conversations with him, but

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Speaker 11: something like a person to person meeting, I mean in

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Speaker 11: the United States is you know, it's an ally and

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Speaker 11: a you know, incredbly important part of you know, the

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Speaker 11: makeup of New Zealand really have been a big, big

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Speaker 11: trading counterpart for New Zealand. We're part of the Five

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Speaker 11: Eyes and all of those historical things and you know,

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Speaker 11: the leader of the Free Wilder guess.

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Speaker 9: So, you know, there's a.

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Speaker 10: Lot to talk about and important.

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Speaker 11: I think that the promise of the day has a

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Speaker 11: good relationship with the whoever's in the White House.

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Speaker 3: John listen, thank you as always, I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Go and have a lovely day. That's John Key, former

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister. Staying on the subject of Donald Trump, he

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Speaker 3: has announced that he's directing the Pentagon to begin testing

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Speaker 3: nuclear weapons immediately. Now. That was he said that ahead

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Speaker 3: of his meeting was Jijiping, and you should see it

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Speaker 3: like that. It was probably a flex ahead of that meeting,

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Speaker 3: which he's already had. First time they've shaken hands in

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Speaker 3: sixty years. By the way, he's telling the Pentagon to

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Speaker 3: test on an equal basis with Russia. And China back home.

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Speaker 3: Probably the biggest business news today is that the Fonterra

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Speaker 3: sale has gone through. It's been over, it's been supported

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Speaker 3: overwhelmingly by dairy farmers and shareholders. Eighty eight well you

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Speaker 3: could say eighty eight and a half percent of the

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Speaker 3: votes cast in favor of the deal when he pay

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Speaker 3: straight out of the blocks just hating on it. He

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Speaker 3: said it was utter madness. It's economic self sabotage, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, etcetera, all the stuff that is. He's just

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Speaker 3: testing his lines. He's running his lines now for the

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Speaker 3: election next year.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Miles Hurrell, the boss who has pulled this, pulled the

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Speaker 3: sale off and done a remarkable job of doing. It's

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Speaker 3: gonna be with us after five o'clock. It's thirteen past four.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather du pussy Allan Drive full show.

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Speaker 3: Here that I can't agree with you. I'm sorry. Luxon

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Speaker 3: has done absolutely nothing wrong. Sounds like envy to me

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Speaker 3: from chippy typical labor, not the successful rich preck. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: at the moment seems to be flavor of the week, Mary,

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Sixteen past four, sport with a.

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Speaker 1: Tap app download and get your bet on ra eighteen

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Speaker 3: See water Grave is back with our sports talk host

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Speaker 15: Head it the time is nigh? R a team planning

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Speaker 15: bet responsibly? Or what are you going to do if

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Speaker 15: your heart earned this weekend when it comes to the

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Speaker 15: taarbe need a bet more than you can afford to lose?

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Speaker 15: That is the key thing there. I should know because

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Speaker 15: I lose every week.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's a given.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 15: If I could bet against myself to win, I'd probably

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Speaker 15: make quite a lot of money. That make any sense

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Speaker 15: now it doesn't. Did you know that the black Caps

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Speaker 15: are not favorites for the game coming up on Saturday

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Speaker 15: in Wellington?

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Speaker 7: Why?

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Speaker 15: Well, I don't know. They know more than we do.

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Speaker 15: The tabb set, the odds ten lots fifteen England are

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Speaker 15: favorites or a dollar sixty seven. I think they've been

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Speaker 15: favorites for the last two matches. But if you want

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Speaker 15: to get a bit of a stretch on it, Riching

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Speaker 15: ravishing reck Ravendra is paying ten to fifty to be

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Speaker 15: the highest score of the game. That might be worth it.

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Speaker 15: Same with Harry Brook ten bucks and maybe Mitchell Darryl

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Speaker 15: Mitchell Dazza, who has not been dismissed so far in

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Speaker 15: this series, has paying dollar fifty to score twenty runs

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Speaker 15: of more So there's a few little choices in there

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Speaker 15: to play. Remember two fifteen. That and it's a sunny day?

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Speaker 15: What I'm told? I mean you lived in Wellington as well,

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Speaker 15: so how long the sunny days last? But that's all

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Speaker 15: the forecasters. That means it's going to be a good day.

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Speaker 15: And what is Wellington on a good day?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 3: You can't beat much, can't beat it on those five days?

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's brilliant.

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Speaker 15: Ari eighteen bet responsibly.

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Speaker 3: Now, Darcy, is this a big deal that Ryan Pappenhausen

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Speaker 3: has been let go of his contract by the Melbourne Storm.

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Speaker 15: Well, people are making a big deal.

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Speaker 3: Is it good a year.

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Speaker 15: To go in his contract?

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Speaker 3: Is he a marquee player?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 3: So why would they let him go?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 15: I don't think he can keep A guy in a

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Speaker 15: society doesn't want to be there?

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Speaker 3: Where does he want to go?

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Speaker 15: He hasn't said anything. What this is interesting? He posted

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Speaker 15: on Instagram a week or so ago. Real peace is

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Speaker 15: an inside job. It comes from understanding that the game

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Speaker 15: and this life will never go exactly and it comes

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Speaker 15: from understanding there are forces at play that are beyond you.

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Speaker 15: It comes from one quiet truth. You gave it everything

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Speaker 15: you had. That's always a victory. He wrote that on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: She's that's a bit deep, isn't it a bit deep?

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Speaker 16: So I don't know what's in there.

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Speaker 15: There's been all sorts of thoughts. Maybe he does he

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Speaker 15: want to come and live over in Auckland.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he been connected to though DUS three

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Speaker 3: sixty rugby three sixty year. Is it not possible? Like

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Speaker 7: Brilliant.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you, Darcy, appreciated as always. That's Darcy water

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 3: That is relevant, just like what the Prime minister owns

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Speaker 3: I think it would be understandable if government ministers don't

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Speaker 17: The Honorable Paul Goldsmith, Minister of Arts and Culture, thank

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Speaker 3: A bit of a dick move from the musicians, especially

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Speaker 18: The Arts and Culture Minister, No much love. You've done

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Speaker 3: Ago, and then he went on, and.

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Speaker 18: That's why I know you've got a conscience.

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Speaker 18: I didn't expect to reply from you. But I wrote

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Speaker 3: maybe next time, would you go? If you were a

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Speaker 3: I'd just say to Chloe, Chloe and Rasputine, I'd be like,

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Speaker 3: So anyway, I'm going to run you through what is

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Speaker 3: next though, we have the news and by the way,

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Speaker 3: Barry Sober with his scoop in the next half hour

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Speaker 19: Oh get.

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Speaker 2: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dificcy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else.

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Speaker 2: News talksb OH Mother.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, we're great DJs. We'll start playing you

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Speaker 3: one song, play you another song. You've got your attention though,

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Speaker 3: this is the song that won the Silver Stroll last night.

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Speaker 3: And if you enjoy Marlin Williams' music, if you listen

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Speaker 3: to Marlon Williams's album, you know it's the best song

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Speaker 3: cut out the bowing from the musicians. Listen, Barry Soap

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Speaker 3: is going to be at us in ten minutes time now.

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Speaker 3: He's been working on something. Been talking to a former

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Speaker 3: Barrow give us the details very shortly. Right now, it's

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has had that meeting with Jijiping at Apek

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Speaker 3: and career President g whose comments are translated here, says

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Speaker 3: there's been encouraging progress in the relationship between the two superpowers.

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Speaker 18: China and the United States should be partners.

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Speaker 20: And this is what his shre has taught us and

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Speaker 3: What a surprise. Barnaby Joyce is in trouble again. Here's

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Speaker 3: Cameron Ridden from Sky News in Australia.

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Speaker 19: The former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce is facing a

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Speaker 19: complaint to Parliament's Workplace Support Service after he's alleged to

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Speaker 19: have launched a verbal tirade against a female National staff member.

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Speaker 2: Now it's alleged that during.

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Speaker 19: This incident, mister Joyce yelled at a female staff member

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Speaker 3: And finally, yet not if you live in Barcelona, because

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Speaker 3: if you're caught organizing a pub crule.

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Speaker 1: International correspondent with ends and eye insurance peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 21: Murray old Lossi corresponds with that fellow man, Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 21: good up and into you.

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Speaker 3: You got some more details on the death of that

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 22: She was an eighty year old woman from New South Wales.

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Speaker 22: Suzanne Reese and her family absolutely furious she was left

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Speaker 22: behind on that island, Lizard Island, on the weekend she

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Speaker 7: Want to go ashore for a bushwalk are allowed to

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Speaker 22: They are on board the Coral Adventurer by the way,

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Speaker 22: She used to enjoy bushwalking, you know, a very outdoorsy

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Speaker 7: We understand the crew.

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Speaker 22: Did not realize that Miss Lee's was not on board

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Speaker 22: Ten o'clock the alarm is raised on Saturday night. Half

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Speaker 7: It's just amazing to me.

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Speaker 22: I must have done a ten or a dozen cruises

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Speaker 22: and it's like military operation.

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Speaker 7: When you go on and off of a cruise ship,

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Speaker 7: they check you off. You have to have like photo ID.

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Speaker 7: It's just beyond imagination how this has happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair point. Listen, how did this cricketer die after

448
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Speaker 3: getting the ball in the neck? What happened here?

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Speaker 22: Well, there are so many eerie similarities with what happened

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Speaker 22: to a Test player back on twenty fourteen, young guy

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Speaker 22: Philip Hughes. He was batting in a Sheffield Shield match

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Speaker 22: at the Sydney Cricket Ground and he was hitting the

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Speaker 22: neck by a bouncer. They say he was dead before

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Speaker 22: he hit the ground. It hit him right in the

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Speaker 22: back of the neck. He was wearing a helmet, but

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Speaker 22: the ball he's turned around as the balls come in.

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Speaker 7: The balls hit him in the back of the neck.

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Speaker 22: It's just popped that very important artery that I can't

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Speaker 22: remember the name of the artery but supplies blood to

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Speaker 22: the brain. And the poor Philip Hughes is dead before

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Speaker 22: he hits the deck. It's that quick. He actually was

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Speaker 22: turned off by his family two days later. And that's

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Speaker 22: what's happened with this poor young fellow down in Melbourne.

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Speaker 7: He was batting. It was an after school practice.

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Speaker 22: He was having what they call throw down as a

466
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Speaker 22: mechanical ball chucker, and it just chucks balls at batsman

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Speaker 22: and it looks like he's ducked into a ball and

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Speaker 22: he's got that in the neck.

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Speaker 7: He too, was wearing a helmet, this young fellow, Ben Austen.

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Speaker 22: He was treaded at the scene and rushed off the

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Speaker 22: hospital but he could not be saved.

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Speaker 7: Mom, Dan and two brothers were there when he died.

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Speaker 22: Now some club crickets, of course, will be wearing black

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Speaker 22: armbands this weekend.

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Speaker 7: It's just so sad. A young guy, apparently he had

476
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Speaker 7: a great at football as well, a.

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Speaker 22: Real lovely young man, hadn't finished school yet and now

478
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Speaker 22: he's gone.

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Speaker 7: So it's just so sad.

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Speaker 3: So is there maybe a case for dropping the helmet

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Speaker 3: a little bit at the back and creating a bit

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Speaker 3: of a shield for the back of the neck.

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Speaker 22: Well they've done that, Heather, they've done that. There's actually

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Speaker 22: a little sort of flat that comes around down the back.

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Speaker 22: I don't know what it's made of. When I was

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Speaker 22: playing Test crit but I was playing test cricket. When

487
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Speaker 22: I was playing cricket all those years ago, we didn't

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Speaker 22: have helmets. We only had little caps. And I don't

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Speaker 22: remember anyone ever getting hit in the head.

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Speaker 7: And I don't think we're bowling fast enough to get

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Speaker 7: up that high. Yeah, but yes, after Philip Hughes, it was.

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Speaker 22: Mandatory you had to have these little things attached to

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Speaker 22: the bottom of a helmet, a bit like a press

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Speaker 22: stud thing, I guess, and it acts as sort of

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Speaker 22: a color.

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Speaker 7: But it didn't help you, young Ben. I'm afraid, and

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Speaker 7: he's passed away.

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Speaker 3: Buddy Worth said, unfortunate, muzz Thank you very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Murray Old's Australia correspondent.

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Speaker 7: I ever away from five.

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Speaker 3: So the situation where the measles is this, Okay, we've

502
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Speaker 3: got this, We've got community spread in Wellington with measles,

503
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Speaker 3: and as you can understand at the moment, your first

504
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Speaker 3: measles jab for a baby is twelve months, right, lots

505
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Speaker 3: of parents out, but the parents the baby loses the

506
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Speaker 3: immunity that it gets from, you know, the mum's breast

507
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Speaker 3: milk and just being in the womb loses it at

508
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Speaker 3: four months. So basically between four months and twelve months

509
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Speaker 3: your kid's a little bit vulnerable, right, So lots of

510
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Speaker 3: parents in Wellington want to get the baby jabbed as

511
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Speaker 3: a result of this, and the health authorities are just

512
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Speaker 3: flat out no, which is my experience as well. I thought,

513
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Speaker 3: I've got to go to Wellington and thus one's got

514
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Speaker 3: to go to Wellington. Don't want to be bringing the

515
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Speaker 3: measles back. Can we get the baby jab she's only

516
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Speaker 3: nine and a half months. No, No, tried twice, tried

517
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Speaker 3: with the nurse, triede with the doctor and nap. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: But the weird thing about it is you can do

519
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Speaker 3: it right. So if you're going overseas with your baby,

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Speaker 3: if the baby is six months old, we will jab

521
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Speaker 3: your baby. We'll got yep call you're going overseas as

522
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Speaker 3: high risk situation, there might be measles out there, so

523
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Speaker 3: we jab your baby at six months. So what I

524
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Speaker 3: think parents are struggling to understand is if the measles,

525
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Speaker 3: if the high risk measles situation is now in the country,

526
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Speaker 3: which it is, why don't we apply the same rule

527
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Speaker 3: and go, hey, we've got a bit of a problem here,

528
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Speaker 3: let's jab the babies. It's six months. Let's go for

529
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Speaker 3: it anyway, because the other thing is what they'll say

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Speaker 3: to you as well. You got herd immunity, right, you're

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Speaker 3: jabbed and your other kids are jabbed. Everybody's jab Like

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Speaker 3: if you're sensible, everybody's jab But now not everybody sensible

533
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Speaker 3: anymore since COVID. I don't know about you, but my

534
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Speaker 3: family's got some people gone but nutty, haven't they And

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Speaker 3: they're not jabbing their kids now, I reckon there's at

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Speaker 3: least one of the little tykes in our family who

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Speaker 3: hasn't got any measles jabs whatsoever. And we're supposed to

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Speaker 3: spend Christmas with them and now and they're like, ah, now,

539
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Speaker 3: we haven't got the heard immunity, have we? Anyway? So

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Speaker 3: we're going to have a chat to the Director of

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Speaker 3: Public Health at the Ministry of Health after five o'clock

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Speaker 3: and see if we can get a credible explanation for

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Speaker 3: why it is that were not prepared to jab babies

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Speaker 3: in the country. And we've got a problem here. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, if you do manage to get a jab,

546
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Speaker 3: which sometimes the doctors will do against advice against the bosses,

547
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Speaker 3: it's two hundred and sixty dollars anyway, they with us

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Speaker 3: after five Barry Soper next, which MP is trying to

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Speaker 3: clear their former MP is trying to clear their names?

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Speaker 3: Seventeen away from five for politics with centric credit, check

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Speaker 3: your customers and get payments certainty. I've got a very

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Speaker 3: interesting text on how to get the measles jab potentially

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Speaker 3: fourteen away from five. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, High Barry.

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Speaker 15: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Right, So the former minister wanting to clear his name

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Speaker 3: is Andrew Bailey.

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Speaker 15: Yes, indeed, and I've seen a lot of correspondence between

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Speaker 15: himself as King's Council, the Department of Internal Affairs, and

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Speaker 15: you know a lot of material I've read as a

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Speaker 15: result of this, and essentially we were led to believe,

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Speaker 15: and certainly Andrew Bailey was led to believe in February

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Speaker 15: that he had committed some serious offense in his office

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Speaker 15: in terms of grabbing one of his staff members by

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Speaker 15: his upper arm and shaking him. What Bailey would say,

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Speaker 15: and I've talked to him this week about it, he

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Speaker 15: says that he simply grabbed him of the upper arm

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Speaker 15: and said we can do this, and he was talking

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Speaker 15: about an area of policy. Now, there was never a

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Speaker 15: formal complaint laid against Andrew Bailey, never, not one. Didn't

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Speaker 15: know that's no, he did not know.

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Speaker 3: He was led there was one.

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Speaker 12: He was led to.

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Speaker 15: Believe, and he doesn't blame the Prime Minister's chief of staff,

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Speaker 15: but he was led to believe by the chief of

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Speaker 15: Staff that there was some serious complaints made against him.

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Speaker 15: And he was also led to believe, not by the

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Speaker 15: chief of Staff, but by various letters from the Department

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Speaker 15: of Internal Affairs that in fact it was one against three,

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Speaker 15: that three people had given eventually the same evidence against him,

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Speaker 15: and yet nobody, not one of them, had made a

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Speaker 15: form of complaint. So what Andrew Bailey is saying is

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Speaker 15: that now he believes that he offered his resignation too quickly.

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Speaker 15: He did have a telephone call with the Prime Minister

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Speaker 15: Chris Luxen and with his chief of staff, and he

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Speaker 15: essentially offered his own resignation. He said he wasn't pressure

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Speaker 15: to do it. He offered his own resignation because he

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Speaker 15: thought he was fighting a losing bag.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He from my understanding, he offered his resignation because he

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Speaker 3: thought no one would believe his story versus three people.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't that he was accepting that he'd done something wrong.

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Speaker 3: It was just that he thought, I can't win this

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Speaker 3: pr battle.

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Speaker 15: Totally, and so you know, he really feels misled by

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Speaker 15: the Department of Internal Affairs.

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Speaker 3: Certain how many days did this play out over It

597
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Speaker 3: was several days, several days, and over several days, no

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Speaker 3: one who was dealing with him, from the Prime Minister's

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Speaker 3: chief of staff to the Department of Internal Affairs told

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Speaker 3: him there was no formal complaint. And when he asked

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Speaker 3: to meet the person he had touched right, thinking that

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Speaker 3: was the complainant, he was told that person was on

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Speaker 3: stress leave and he was unable to meet with it.

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Speaker 15: That's right, But he did talk to the person. On

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Speaker 15: the day he resigned, he talked to the staffer in

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Speaker 15: his office who it was naturally assumed who had complained

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Speaker 15: because his upper arm was touched by Bailey and the staffer,

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Speaker 15: and in the presence of his own senior political advisor

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Speaker 15: in the office said to him on a telephone call

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Speaker 15: that no, he didn't lodge a complaint, and he wouldn't

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Speaker 15: have lodged a complaint. He in fact enjoyed working with

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Speaker 15: the ministrative in the past few weeks. So he was

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Speaker 15: a new appointee.

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Speaker 3: To the office, Barry, if he has been led to

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Speaker 3: believe it's a very serious situation that requires resignation, and

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Speaker 3: has been led to believe that there's a formal complaint

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Speaker 3: and has been barred from meeting catching up with the

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Speaker 3: person he believes had complained about him, can you not

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Speaker 3: deduce from this that he was essentially misled into resigning.

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Speaker 16: Oh well, you.

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Speaker 15: Know, it's hard to escape a conclusion like that, because.

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Speaker 3: Because because the thing came after Remember Andrew Bali had

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Speaker 3: already been in trouble for the loser sign at the vest,

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Speaker 3: so this was the second thing that had happened in.

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Speaker 15: Song Final Warning.

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Speaker 3: Basically, politically, you could say it would have been easier

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Speaker 3: for him just to resign to make the issue go away, and.

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Speaker 15: I think that's what he felt.

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Speaker 7: In the end.

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Speaker 15: Anyway, he didn't want to embarrass the government, so he

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Speaker 15: decided that he would pull up. But what he wants

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Speaker 15: to do now, of course, this man has a formidable

633
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Speaker 15: background before he came into politics. What he wants to

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Speaker 15: do is clear as name.

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Speaker 7: He said.

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Speaker 15: Every time anybody googles his name, it comes up that

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Speaker 15: he essentially resigned from cabinet under a cloud. Well, there

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Speaker 15: was no cloud really to speak of in terms of

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Speaker 15: a complaint, and that's the important thing here.

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Speaker 3: So what does he want. Does he want his job back?

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Speaker 15: Well, I think if he was off at his job back,

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Speaker 15: I'm sure he would take it.

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Speaker 3: Or does he want an investigation?

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Speaker 15: Well, in fact, his King's Counsel asked for an investigation

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Speaker 15: of the Commission of the Public Service, Sir Brian Roach,

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Speaker 15: but Roach said no, he didn't think it was necessary,

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Speaker 15: even though the King's Council said that a case like

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Speaker 15: this would never stand up in a High Court if

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Speaker 15: it got that far if he wanted to fight it,

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Speaker 15: so no inquiry. But the Department of Internal Affairs has

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Speaker 15: been told, along with other departments, to look at how

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Speaker 15: they deal with complaints. And I would imagine to make

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Speaker 15: sure that those who are complained against know exactly what

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Speaker 15: the complaint is and whether, in fact a complaint had

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Speaker 15: been filed.

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Speaker 3: Have you heard from the Prime Minister's office on this.

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Speaker 15: No, I've talked to them, but of course the Prime

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Speaker 15: Minister's overseas, so he'll no doubt have something to say.

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Speaker 15: I think he's having a news conference around midnight tonight.

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Speaker 3: Barry, thank you, appreciate that insight. There's Barry so Oper,

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Speaker 3: senior political corresponding actually got a little bit more on

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Speaker 3: this to stand by. Eight away from.

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Speaker 1: Five the headlines and the hard questions, it's the mic

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Speaker 1: asking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: And results are So.

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Speaker 23: Has this been exciting for the farming community or not?

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Speaker 9: Really?

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Speaker 24: Que certainly it's one of the biggest decisions from Terra

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Speaker 24: shieholders will make. It's been an eighteen month process, so

670
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Speaker 24: there's no doubt there's been really strong engagement from our

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Speaker 24: farmers in real interest and what it means for us

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Speaker 24: as surprise of milks.

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Speaker 23: How much is it just about the chair I'm getting

674
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Speaker 23: four hundred thousand dollars, yes or no? And how much

675
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Speaker 23: of it's about the bigger picture of the long term deals,

676
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Speaker 23: what it means et cetera.

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Speaker 24: This is our wildlihoods will be supprime milk well after

678
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Speaker 24: any capital return up the vote successful. So if we

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Speaker 24: have encouraged farments to look through the capital return, they've

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Speaker 24: engaged in that.

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Speaker 23: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 23: the Defendant US Talk.

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Speaker 3: Z B RISC five away from five. So on Andrew Bailey.

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Speaker 3: Question for you, now that you know that there was

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Speaker 3: no formal complaint against Andrew Bailey before he resigned, does

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Speaker 3: it make that whole interview with the Prime Minister and

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Speaker 3: Mike Hosking make a lot more sense? You remember the one,

688
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Speaker 3: This was the one that went on for three minutes

689
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Speaker 3: in February that became like the defining moment where everybody

690
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Speaker 3: realized Chris Luxon couldn't answer a question. But does it?

691
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Speaker 3: But does it now make a little bit more sense

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Speaker 3: why Chris Luxen wouldn't answer that question?

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Speaker 25: Would you have sacked him if he hadn't offered to resign? Well,

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Speaker 25: hypothetical he did resign. No, I know that, but just

695
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Speaker 25: answered the question, well, would you have said, well, he

696
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Speaker 25: didn't meet the expectations of the minister.

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Speaker 10: So it was it a sackable offense.

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Speaker 25: Well, I think give him how clear we've been on

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Speaker 25: the first instance about why answer the question?

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Speaker 3: Well, I can answer why. He can't answer the question

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Speaker 3: because it wasn't a sackable offense because there wasn't a

702
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Speaker 3: complaint against him. But now right, so now the question is, okay,

703
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Speaker 3: the Department of Internal Affairs knew that? Did the Prime

704
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Speaker 3: Minister's chief of staff know that too? And did the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister know that as well? When they orchestrated this,

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Speaker 3: when this whole thing was orchestrated for Andrew Bailey to resign,

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Speaker 3: did the chief of staff and the Prime Minister also

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Speaker 3: know that there was no formal complaint? Oh, it's got

709
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Speaker 3: be hot in there, hasn't it. So anyway, it's fast

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Speaker 3: I think. I think you can't. You can't pretend that

711
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Speaker 3: it's not a big deal that Andrew Bailey has broken

712
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Speaker 3: ranks with this Prime Minister on this one trying to

713
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Speaker 3: clear his name. So we'll see what comes of that. Right,

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Miles Hurrel after five o'clock. Oh,

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Speaker 3: by the way, what am I doing? Andrew Bailey is

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Speaker 3: with us after half past five, so we'll ask him

717
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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of questions. You'll be able to hear

718
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Speaker 3: the story from his point of view as well. Myles

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Speaker 3: Harrala Fonterra is having a fantastic day though obviously the

720
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Speaker 3: shareholder's vote has gone his way overwhelming. It was something

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Speaker 3: like eighty eight and a half percent voted in favor

722
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Speaker 3: of his idea. He's going to be us straight after

723
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Speaker 3: the news. Heather, my daughter is a doctor in Auckland.

724
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Speaker 3: She just dug her toes and she insisted that her

725
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Speaker 3: baby get jabbed. But she first hand knows the mind

726
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Speaker 3: blowing devastation this horrific disease can call. So she went

727
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Speaker 3: into battle for her baby and she got it as

728
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Speaker 3: a result. Question this is from Sarah. So question is

729
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Speaker 3: if Sarah's daughter, a doctor at the hospital, could insist

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Speaker 3: on having a baby under twelve months jab why can

731
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Speaker 3: the rest of us not manage to do the same thing.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to the Ministry of Health. Will

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Speaker 3: we are thus shortly as well?

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Speaker 6: News is next good stay Tucket bar or bar or so.

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Speaker 2: But I'm sure for some.

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Speaker 1: One pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's

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Speaker 1: Heather Duper Clan drive with one new Zealand to coverage

738
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Speaker 1: like no one else new sor Cippy.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. As expected, the Fonterra sale has been voted

740
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Speaker 3: through and overwhelmingly eighty eight and a half So eighty

741
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Speaker 3: eight point five percent of Fonterra's farmer shareholders have said

742
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Speaker 3: yes to selling the company's consumer brands to the French company.

743
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Speaker 3: Miles Harrell is Fonterra's chief executive and with US home Miles.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Hit.

745
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Speaker 3: So is this more support or around about what you

746
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: were expecting?

747
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Speaker 4: Well, we always said we wanted a strong mandate.

748
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Speaker 26: I mean it is a massive decision for the cooperative

749
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Speaker 26: nur farm own and so we wanted a strong mandate.

750
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Speaker 26: But you to see the number comes through. Eighty eight

751
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Speaker 26: and a half percent is a great support.

752
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Speaker 3: Is asb right on how much it's predicting farmers will

753
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Speaker 3: get on average just shy of four hundred thousand.

754
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Speaker 26: Yeah, it depends what's the way you cut it. But

755
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Speaker 26: that's the number that I've seen, which is sort of

756
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Speaker 26: near enough to on an average. Of course, we do

757
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Speaker 26: have a wide spectrum of smaller farmers than large farmers,

758
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Speaker 26: so everyone will get their own their own cash and

759
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Speaker 26: time accordingly. But your two dollars tax free per per

760
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Speaker 26: per share is a decent wedge of cash for most farmers.

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Speaker 3: Miles. Is there any chance at all that Winston Peters

762
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Speaker 3: is proven right in the passage of time that we

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Speaker 3: come to regret this.

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Speaker 26: Well, Look, we pride ourselves on our business to business relationships.

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Speaker 26: And you think about the multinationals that we have partnerships

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Speaker 26: or whether it be Abbot, or whether it be Nesle

767
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Speaker 26: or Denown, whoever it may be, at an international basis,

768
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Speaker 26: we sell them ingredients, we sell them advanced ingredients, we

769
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Speaker 26: sell them food service product and it's our job to

770
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Speaker 26: make sure that maintains through the long term. And we

771
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Speaker 26: pride ourselves and doing it, and I think we can

772
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Speaker 26: do that well into the future.

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Speaker 3: The way that Winston Peters is talking about it makes

774
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Speaker 3: me think this might become an election issue. What do

775
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Speaker 3: you think?

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Speaker 26: Oh, look, I think if we had got just over

777
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Speaker 26: the fifty percent that we needed from our farmers to

778
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Speaker 26: get this underway, maybe have a view. But you know,

779
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Speaker 26: this business is owned by our farmers. They've invested behind

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Speaker 26: that business and they've given us the mandate. So at

781
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Speaker 26: the end of the day, you know whether he takes

782
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Speaker 26: it into an election is up to him, but I

783
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Speaker 26: think our farmers have made a pretty clear decision today.

784
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

785
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Speaker 3: Now, last time I talked to you about it, which

786
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Speaker 3: was the day that you announced this, you hadn't cracked

787
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Speaker 3: the bubbles yet. It was far too early. Is today

788
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Speaker 3: the day to crack the bubbles?

789
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Speaker 26: Maybe not quite them? Half as through a meeting actually,

790
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Speaker 26: So I've got a bit more to do yet. But look,

791
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Speaker 26: there's still a couple of milestones we need to get through. Firstly,

792
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Speaker 26: there is some international regulatory approvals that in certain markets

793
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Speaker 26: that they're well underway. And then there's quite a significant

794
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Speaker 26: separation piece, you know, you think about physically separating officers

795
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Speaker 26: and IT systems and all that sort of thing. So

796
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Speaker 26: we're probably going to be into the new year before

797
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Speaker 26: we see that come to pass.

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Speaker 3: So the bubbles are in the new year, are they?

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Speaker 26: Well, I might have something over the new year break even,

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Speaker 26: but but yeah, that's certainly the plan.

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Speaker 4: But you know, it is a significant milestone on this process.

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Speaker 26: You know, we've been on this program for about eighteen

803
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Speaker 26: months and so yeah, it is a significant milestone.

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Speaker 4: So maybe we can find it find some time over

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Speaker 4: the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I think you should miles. You look after yourself and

807
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Speaker 3: enjoy it. Myles Harrell, Chief executive Fonterra. Here the if

808
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Speaker 3: it wasn't the guy who's m Bailey touched, who else

809
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Speaker 3: was the one who laid the complaint? Well, actually poorly,

810
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Speaker 3: And I can answer that question for you. There were

811
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Speaker 3: three people in the room with Andrew Bailey, and it

812
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 3: wasn't the person whose arm he touched it. All that

813
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: guy said afterwards, I would never have complained about it.

814
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Speaker 3: Wasn't to think it was somebody who witnessed it. Let

815
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Speaker 3: me just paint the picture for you. It was somebody

816
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Speaker 3: who witnessed it, who had joined his office the day before,

817
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Speaker 3: and somehow within hours all days labor found out about it.

818
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Speaker 3: So piece that one together for yourself. Now A and

819
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Speaker 3: Z has just put out what it's expecting the house

820
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Speaker 3: prices are going to do this year, and now they're

821
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Speaker 3: thinking they will lift after all. Previously A and Z

822
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Speaker 3: and the reason I'm A and Z is worth quoting

823
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Speaker 3: is obviously the country's biggest bank dealing with a lot

824
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Speaker 3: of mortgages and whatnot. They previously said they were expecting

825
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Speaker 3: absolutely no growth in house prices this year, but now

826
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Speaker 3: they're saying they've already seen zero point three percent growth, which,

827
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Speaker 3: let's be honest, is not a lot, but we'll take it.

828
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Speaker 3: Zero point three already at the end of October, so

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Speaker 3: that saim by the end of the year, we're going

830
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Speaker 3: to be at zero point five percent growth. So maybe

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Speaker 3: should you'll be stoked? Should we be looking at that,

832
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Speaker 3: going yep, that's it, that's all we need for a CGT. Right,

833
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Speaker 3: let's deal with measles next five eleven. Hey, you know

834
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Speaker 3: what time of year it is, The fireworks seasons on

835
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Speaker 3: the way and right now I would bet every pet

836
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Speaker 3: out there knows something's up. So at VET Post, doctor

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Speaker 3: Bex and her qualified team have a few strategies that

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Speaker 3: they've devised to help you protect your pets from the explosive,

839
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Speaker 3: explosive commotion that's on its way. Firstly, prepare a quiet,

840
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Speaker 3: safe retreat with can get cozy and feel safe. And

841
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Speaker 3: then number two, you want to try to keep them calm,

842
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 3: keep them distracted during the fireworks with toys, food stuffed puzzles,

843
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: chewy treats, all that kind of stuff. Three, tire them

844
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Speaker 3: out and feed them early and avoid late toilet breaks.

845
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Speaker 3: So a long, energetic walk earlier in the day will

846
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Speaker 3: help them relax by the evening. Four the little ones

847
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Speaker 3: that the small outdoor pets shield them effectively by bringing

848
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Speaker 3: them inside if you can, and if you can't, then

849
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Speaker 3: relocate them to a shed or a garage or something

850
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Speaker 3: to keep them safe. And five use calming aids like pheromone,

851
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Speaker 3: diffuses or sprays, but don't do that by itself right,

852
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Speaker 3: use it with calming music to sue their stress away.

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Speaker 2: Heather Do for Sea Out.

857
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Speaker 3: Bailey is going to be with us just after the

858
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Speaker 3: half past five news. It's quarter past five right now.

859
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Speaker 2: Now.

860
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Speaker 3: Update on the measles is that there are now thirteen

861
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Speaker 3: cases in New Zealand after two more identified today. Now,

862
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 3: given how infectious measles is and how dangerous it is

863
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Speaker 3: for babies, parents, particularly ones in Wellington freaking out and

864
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: trying to get the little ones jab but the rules

865
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Speaker 3: are not being changed. You cannot get a baby jabbed

866
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Speaker 3: under twelve months at the moment. Even if you do,

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Speaker 3: it might cost you as much as two hundred and

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Speaker 3: sixty dollars. Doctor Coreina Gray is the director of Public

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Speaker 3: Health High Karina. Hi, Heather, Listen, if there are all

870
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Speaker 3: of these parents who want to get their young babies

871
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Speaker 3: JAB before they're twelve months old, why don't we just

872
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Speaker 3: do it?

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Speaker 20: That's a very good question, and we are reviewing the

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Speaker 20: evidence around that. What I can say is that two

875
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Speaker 20: MMR doses given after the age of twelve months is

876
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Speaker 20: highly effective at protecting people from measles and giving them

877
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Speaker 20: lifelong immunity. For babies, babies do have some immunity from

878
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 20: what we call maternal antibodies up until about four months

879
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 20: of age. Now, between four months and twelve months, we

880
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 20: can give MMR what we call MMR zero, but that

881
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 20: doesn't confer long term immunity, and so if babies do

882
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 20: get the JAB, they still have to have their two

883
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Speaker 20: So that's cool.

884
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 3: After twelves you're parents who are really worried at the moment,

885
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 3: why not just do this for the kids and then

886
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Speaker 3: and then carry on with twelve and whatever else.

887
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 20: Yeah. Absolutely, So at the moment, we do have thirteen cases,

888
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Speaker 20: but we aren't at our point where we have sufficient

889
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 20: transmission that the risk is high enough that we would

890
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 20: vaccinate or what is at that point that would be

891
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 20: when the something that would be communicated by public health service.

892
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: What is the point in Karna, if thirteen cases is

893
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 3: not the point, what's the point at which we decide

894
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: to jab the kids under twelve months?

895
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Speaker 20: Well, that will be a decision that will be made

896
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Speaker 20: by public health.

897
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: So you don't have you don't know when that point is.

898
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: You guys are sort of making it up as you go.

899
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Speaker 20: Absolutely, we're not making it up as we go. What

900
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 20: you're reviewing. We're carefully reviewing the evidence.

901
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: But one point, what is the point at which you

902
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 3: go this outbreak is big enough? What's that point?

903
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 20: Well, what we're focusing on at the moment is making

904
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Speaker 20: sure we have good contact traces.

905
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: No no Korea. A question please for parents who are worried,

906
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: what is the point.

907
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 20: The point is that people need to get.

908
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: No no no, verynat Listen, I'm asking you as a

909
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: mum of a nine and a half month old and

910
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: I'm worried about her, okay, and I want to get

911
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 3: her jab So at what point are you going to

912
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 3: let me jab her under the age of one? How

913
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: big is this outbreak got to.

914
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 20: Get that would be a decision that would be made

915
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Speaker 20: by public health.

916
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: So as I say, you guys haven't got a point

917
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 3: or literally just making it up as you go.

918
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 20: Absolutely not, And if you'll just let me finish, I'd

919
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 20: like to give some information to the public about how

920
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 20: they can best protect themselves.

921
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: No, Tarina, we're going to get to that. I need

922
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 3: you to answer this question because there are people who

923
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 3: are trying very hard right now and who are prepared

924
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 3: to pay as much as two hundred and sixty dollars

925
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 3: and they're being blocked from doing it.

926
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Speaker 16: Now.

927
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Speaker 3: Do we jab babies traveling overseas?

928
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Speaker 20: That also depends on the risk.

929
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Speaker 3: Yes, we have them. We gab them as early as

930
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 3: six months. So if we do it for babies overseas,

931
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Speaker 3: why are we not doing it for babies who are

932
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Speaker 3: in New Zealand, particularly in Wellington where there is an outbreak.

933
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Speaker 20: So that's a very good point, Heather. So overseas, for example,

934
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Speaker 20: for example the UK, where there has been a very

935
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Speaker 20: large outbreak, they do not routinely give MMR zero to

936
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Speaker 20: under twelve months old. It is once again a decision

937
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 20: that's made by local public health services where there is

938
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Speaker 20: a very high risk of transmission in local communities, at

939
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 20: which point the local public health service will advise people

940
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Speaker 20: whether they should be getting their children immunized zero.

941
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: The can that you have is the concern the cost

942
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: of the JAB are their potential side effects, doesn't do

943
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: something to the long term ability to be protected, why

944
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: not do it?

945
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 20: So it's a balance of arrisks and benefits. So EMMA

946
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 20: zero doesn't confer long term immunity. So what we really

947
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 20: need to do is immunize everybody who's highly mobile and

948
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 20: capable of spreading measles through the community. So they were

949
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 20: really focused on children and adults and closing their immunity gap.

950
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 20: So we really want to encourage everybody who was able

951
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 20: to to get MMR. And you know here, I'm sure

952
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 20: you're immunized against the MMR, and you're making sure that

953
00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 20: your siblings, parents, your aunties and uncles and every problem around.

954
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: If I understood the herd immunity theory, my problem is

955
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 3: because of COVID, we now have anti vaxes in the

956
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 3: family who have kids who are unvaccinated, and we're coming

957
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: up to Christmas and our kids are going to have

958
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: to contact those kids. Do we not have a problem

959
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: there where we have such sufficient gaps now in our

960
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: herd immunity that we should be thinking about jabbing these

961
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: little ones.

962
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 20: So again I would say, let's approach this with empathy

963
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 20: and encourage everyone who is able to to get vaccinated.

964
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 20: We are not at the point where we would routinely

965
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 20: immunize children under the age of twelve months, but again

966
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 20: we'll continue to track the outbreak and review the evidence,

967
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 20: but again encouraging everybody who is eligible for their MEMA

968
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 20: JAB to get vaccinated and protect their loved ones.

969
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: Okay, what's the public health message you wanted to get up?

970
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: Just get I mean, I mean we're trying, aren't we.

971
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 20: We absolutely are, and I really thank you for getting

972
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 20: that message out there. You know, people who are unsure

973
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 20: of their immunization status should ask their GP. They can

974
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 20: also contact the Vaccination Help Laine and also look on

975
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 20: my health record. So appreciate you getting the message out there,

976
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 20: and we'll all work together to do so.

977
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Speaker 3: You're welcome, Kaarina, Thank you very much for your time.

978
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 3: Appreciated Doctor Corena Gray, who is the Ministry of Health

979
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: Director of Public Health.

980
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: Five twenty two A hard questions, strong opinion.

981
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: Here the duplicyl and drive with one New Zealand end

982
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: the power of satellite mobile new doorgs they'd be.

983
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: Did they actually have enough vaccination vaccine in the country? Lord,

984
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 3: I would normally say yes, but then there was a

985
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 3: time when I don't know if you remember, with COVID

986
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: five twenty four. Listen, I've got an update for you

987
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: on the social media band for kids situations. So over

988
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 3: in Australia, the social media companies have now admitted they

989
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 3: can kick underage kids off their platforms, and they've admitted

990
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: that they will They will start enforcing the ban when

991
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 3: the band in Australia comes into effect on December tenth.

992
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: Now this is not a surprise to me that they

993
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: can actually do it, because I never believe their nonsense

994
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: when they said, oh it's impossible to age verify. I

995
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: we posly guess they can read it over in the UK.

996
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 3: Does it age verifies and stops people seeing content. It's

997
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: completely possible to do. And it's pretty obvious that they

998
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 3: already have a rough idea of roughly how old the

999
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: kids are, because you know, that's why they feed teenage

1000
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: content to teenage people. What I think we should take

1001
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 3: from this, though, is that we should never believe the

1002
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: social media companies when they say they can't stop kids

1003
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: using their products. Well, I think you should do is

1004
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: kind of take the approach of treating them a little

1005
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: bit like the tobacco companies of old, completely untrustworthy, want

1006
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 3: to pedle their product, do not want to stop peddling

1007
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: their product. In fact, I think, to be honest, that

1008
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: there is a useful parallel here with the way that

1009
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 3: we treat ciggies and how we should be treating social

1010
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: media companies. We ban kids under the age of eighteen

1011
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 3: from buying siggis, We ban them from buying booze because

1012
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: we know it's bad from them. When they're older, they

1013
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: can use it, hopefully they use it wisely, but not

1014
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: when their little brains and their little bodies are still developing.

1015
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: And I think the same is true of social media.

1016
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: And yes, like the ciggi's and the booze, the kids

1017
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 3: are going to find a way to get their get

1018
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 3: around it and get their hands on it. On in

1019
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: New Year's Eve when they are sixteen, they're going to

1020
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: get completely drunk. But hopefully it'll be a rare occasion,

1021
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 3: not in every weekend type of thing. And in the

1022
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 3: case of banning the Booze and the sigies, we could

1023
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: have left that up to the parents. We could have said, nah,

1024
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: it's okay, you decide if your kids want to smoke

1025
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: and drink under the age of eighteen, and parents should

1026
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 3: play a role, right. But I think we all decided

1027
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: as a group that this was worth banning. And I

1028
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: think we need to do the same thing with social media.

1029
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: And I think we need to do it mainly for

1030
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: the social media companies because they are not prepared to

1031
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: do it themselves until they're fulls to just like in Australia.

1032
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: Heather Do for see Allen Lord above.

1033
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: Hither all I can say is empathy is not going

1034
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: to fight the measles is it? Hither? The Health Service

1035
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: is worried about our low heard immunity, but parents who

1036
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 3: really want to protect their kids aren't a lot. This

1037
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: is ridiculous here, that just says the text. Go on listen.

1038
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: I think I have got an explanation for you, even

1039
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 3: though I could not get Karina Gray to say it.

1040
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: The problem is if you jab a baby under the

1041
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 3: age of twelve months, the trade off is that later

1042
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 3: in life, it may negatively affect their immunity later in life.

1043
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 3: So sure it gives them some coverage when they're under

1044
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: twelve months when they're little, but then later in life

1045
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 3: they may not have as much coverage. Listen, just I

1046
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 3: just feel like they need to say that, say it

1047
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: out loud. Trust us like a you know, trust us

1048
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 3: as parents to make the right decision. Frankly, I would

1049
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: do that trade off. I would protect the baby right

1050
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: now given there as a outbreak, and then just you know,

1051
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens later on in life. Anyway, as

1052
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: she said, they are reviewing the science, so do not

1053
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 3: be surprised if they make the move soon and decide

1054
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 3: that we're jabbing the kids under twelve months. That's my prediction.

1055
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: Andrew Bailey is with us next Newspooks just.

1056
00:48:52,120 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: Be digging deeper into the day's headlines.

1057
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: It's Heather duplic Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage like.

1058
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: No one else news talks.

1059
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: They'd be I remember when we were driving, driving in

1060
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: your car.

1061
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: I'll sound up tig in to view with her. Shortly.

1062
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: Looks like the system's now recovering after that Microsoft outage

1063
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: hit last night. It affected here in New Zealand. It

1064
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: affected A and Z and Parliament's website and real me

1065
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: in the police website and the Cook Strait Ferries and

1066
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: the Auckland Transport parking app and Air New Zealand. It

1067
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: also hit Air New Zealand. They had a difficulty with

1068
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: the digital process boarding, so they had to go for

1069
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: the manual boarding. So we'll talk to the CEO about

1070
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: that after six o'clock right now, it's twenty four away

1071
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: from six now. As you heard earlier nationally, MP Andrew

1072
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: Bailey is fighting to clear his name. He says he

1073
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: was misled about alleged complaints against him that made him

1074
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: resign from his job as a minister, and he is

1075
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: with us now, Hi Andrew, Hello Heather Andrew. If you

1076
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 3: knew that there was no formal complaint against you, would

1077
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: you have resigned?

1078
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 12: No?

1079
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 27: I wouldn't have resigned. It wasn't just the formal complaint.

1080
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 27: It was the statement that three people corroborated the allegation

1081
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 27: and that's that was what made me get to a

1082
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 27: position where I offered my resignation. And if I'd known

1083
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 27: that now, I wouldn't have.

1084
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: Well, because I mean from reading the documents. It seems

1085
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 3: like the reason you offered your resignation was even though

1086
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: you believe you've done nothing wrong, you thought I can't

1087
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 3: win a battle against three people's say opposite right.

1088
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 27: Exactly, and I didn't want to cause a distraction to

1089
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 27: the party. And you know I do have some principles.

1090
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 27: So I made the call or that I would resign

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Speaker 27: based on what I was presented with, which soon became

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Speaker 27: apparent that that wasn't the situation.

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Speaker 3: Who led you to believe that there was a formal complaint?

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Speaker 27: Well, the only time I ever got to talk to

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Speaker 27: the Department of Internal Affairs, who were initially involved in

1096
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 27: looking at the allegation, there was only one meeting. There

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00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 27: never came to me prior to that and actually asked

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00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 27: me what I thought had gone on and anything like that.

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Speaker 27: But in the meeting was when they had this is

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Speaker 27: literally an now. But after the out meeting with them,

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00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 27: I then offered by resignation because I said, to how

1102
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 27: staff people look, three people. I can't win mine against

1103
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 27: three on that basis, I'm resigning.

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Speaker 3: Okay, did the Prime Minister's office ever tell you there

1105
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 3: wasn't a formal complaint and there wasn't any corroboration.

1106
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 27: No, and of course the operating on the same information

1107
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 27: as I had. So you know, we all came to

1108
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 27: the I think, to the same conclusion, and I came

1109
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 27: to the fear that I wanted to resign, and I

1110
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 27: offered the resignation. But I think if feveryone had the

1111
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 27: same information that we now know, it might have been

1112
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 27: quite a different outcome.

1113
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 3: Now remain though, Andrew, I mean, what makes it suspicious

1114
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 3: to me is that the Prime Minister then had an

1115
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 3: interview with Mike Hosking the following week and was asked

1116
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: repeatedly whether he would have sacked you had you not resigned,

1117
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: and he refused to actually say that for about three minutes,

1118
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: which suggests he knew that there was no formal complaint.

1119
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 27: No, I don't think that's correctly that I think he

1120
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 27: was acting. I offered my resignation, he accepted it, and

1121
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 27: he made a decision on my offer. And you know,

1122
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 27: rightly wrongly, I shouldn't have offered that resignation if I'd

1123
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 27: known what was the situation at the time, if I'd

1124
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 27: known what I know now, I wouldn't have offered it.

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00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 27: So I think he was trying to look after me.

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00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 27: I don't blame the Prime Minise, so I don't blame

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00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 27: on his stuff. I think the issue is that we

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00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 27: were all working off the same information, some of which

1129
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 27: was incorrect.

1130
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, now, is this a political stitch up from the

1131
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 3: other side, given that Labor found out about this pretty quickly?

1132
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 27: Yeah, well, it certainly got leaped as I understand, to

1133
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 27: Labor pretty quickly, and that obviously had a bit of

1134
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 27: a bearing on the decision making process. But you know

1135
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 27: that's politics, as you know that we all acted in

1136
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 27: a sort of a weird environment. But you know that

1137
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 27: that wasn't one of the decision That wasn't a key

1138
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 27: determined in my decision making. It was the fact that

1139
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 27: someone said that all three corroborated the allegation, and that

1140
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 27: wasn't the case.

1141
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 3: So what is it that you want?

1142
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 16: Look, I.

1143
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 27: Would obviously love to be a minister minister and you

1144
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 27: serve at the pleasure of Prime Minister. But the main

1145
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 27: thing for me is I want people to know that

1146
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 27: if I had known what I knew now, I wouldn't

1147
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 27: have resigned. I shouldn't have resigned, but I did. I

1148
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 27: did it in a principal manner, and now that other

1149
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 27: information has come to light, I just want people to

1150
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 27: know what the real situation is. And you know, you

1151
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 27: spend your lifetime trying to build up a reputation and

1152
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 27: to see it taken down in a six minute meeting,

1153
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 27: which is how long the meeting was, It's pretty devastating.

1154
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, did the DIA stit you up? Do you think?

1155
00:53:59,000 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 16: Look?

1156
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 27: I don't think they conducted themselves with sufficient professionalism to

1157
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 27: get to the right outcome and the right information. The

1158
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 27: information that led me to start pursuing this course even

1159
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 27: became available on the morning of my resignation when I

1160
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 27: rang the person the mail who I put my hand

1161
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 27: on in an encouraging way. He told me when I

1162
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 27: rang him that he had not made the allegation, which

1163
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 27: was a staggering sort of revelation just before I'm going

1164
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 27: out to say that I'm going to resign as a minister,

1165
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 27: because up to then I assumed, in thought and been

1166
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 27: led to believe that he was the complainant. And he

1167
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 27: told me quite cleary he wasn't a complainant and wouldn't

1168
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 27: have complained, which was a staggering statement to make.

1169
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, Andrew good On you for doing this. Takes

1170
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 3: a bit of courage to do it, so I hope

1171
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 3: you do manage to clear your name. That's Andrew Bailey,

1172
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 3: National MP, nineteen away from six.

1173
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find your

1174
00:54:59,440 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: one of a girl.

1175
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 3: On the huddle of this evening we have Mark Sainsbury broadcaster,

1176
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 3: David Farrake we Blog and Curio Polster Hell are you two?

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Speaker 7: Hello?

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Speaker 9: How you hear that sayings?

1179
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Speaker 3: Are you ever in your time as a political edit

1180
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 3: or a political report has seen anybody try to clear

1181
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: their name?

1182
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 9: Well, you see people, No, not very successfully. This is

1183
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 9: a really odd one. I mean when I heard given

1184
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 9: Barry and Barry break the story and it was who

1185
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 9: are the people are in the meetings?

1186
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 3: I'm want to know? So the people in the meeting

1187
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: are the one he lays the hand on in what

1188
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: he says was an enthusiastic conversation, not of an assault.

1189
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 3: And then there are two others who are also staffers

1190
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Speaker 3: who are there.

1191
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 2: But the.

1192
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 3: It suggested that the staffer who has raised the concern

1193
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 3: as a staffer who's been there for about twenty four

1194
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: hours in the office and then has has gone back

1195
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 3: to the department or who knows who and said something's happened.

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Speaker 9: I mean, David, I don't know what you think. It

1197
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 9: just this whole thing seems a bit bonkers.

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00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 28: Yeah, well, you have to think Bailey's been pretty hard

1199
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 28: done by. If you took away the politics for a sec,

1200
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 28: if this was an employment relations dispute, the employment tribunal

1201
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 28: would be saying this was a terrible process.

1202
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 16: There wasn't natural justice.

1203
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: Et cetera.

1204
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 16: Now politics doesn't quite.

1205
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 28: Work like that, but it was definitely material about whether

1206
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 28: this is one person's view or three person's view. So

1207
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 28: I do think Bailey it sounds like has been hard

1208
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 28: done by. I don't think this means there's a pass back, though,

1209
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 28: because I think time moves on.

1210
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 16: There's new nps wanting.

1211
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 28: To move up the letter, so to speak. But as

1212
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 28: you said, good on him for actually saying I care

1213
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 28: about my reputation.

1214
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 16: This matters to me.

1215
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there is some courage that is required

1216
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 3: to do this. Do you think saying so that the

1217
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 3: PM's office is going to be stoked about this?

1218
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 12: Though?

1219
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 2: Probably not.

1220
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 9: I mean, the thing I couldn't help but think was that,

1221
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 9: you know, they obviously didn't do a lot of due

1222
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 9: diligence on this. They were almost sort of maybe happy

1223
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 9: to let him go because you had the loser didn't

1224
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 9: do too well. So I think there was sort of

1225
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 9: you know, no one's looking too care for so here

1226
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 9: we go, we've got another problem. Oh he's resigning, Thank

1227
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 9: god to that.

1228
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably a little bit of that. Hey, listen, David

1229
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 3: Prime Minister did well with with Donald Trump, didn't he.

1230
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1231
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 28: Look, it's as good as an outcome as you can

1232
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 28: get based on the best outcome from me with Presdent

1233
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 28: Trump is he doesn't suddenly impose an extra fifty percent

1234
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 28: teriff on you.

1235
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 16: Like we've done. Think Canada, where he got offended. The

1236
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 16: provincial governor.

1237
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 28: Was running at add quoting Ronald greg against terriffs, and

1238
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 28: that caused Trump to stop all the negotiations between the countries.

1239
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 28: So basically the thing with Trump, he's transactional. You go

1240
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 28: and you talk golf, you talk to New Zealand, you

1241
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 28: don't actually try and get anything out of him. It's

1242
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 28: really just building that relationship.

1243
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you watch a golfer saying Zoe no no,

1244
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: So no opinions on where they should go golfing when

1245
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, not on that.

1246
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 9: I speed the one who get the cup for the

1247
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 9: most golf in any of those sort of media things.

1248
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 9: We probably in it, but staked to play anyway.

1249
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: Fair enough, all right, we'll take a break and come

1250
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 3: back to you guys. And just to take sixteen away from.

1251
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: Six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the

1252
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: global leader in luxury real estate.

1253
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, back with the huddle. David Pharaoh, Mark Sainsbury. David

1254
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 3: is Chris Luckson's wealth fair game in a debate about

1255
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 3: capital gains tax.

1256
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 28: It's a cheap tech tak I mean like it's not

1257
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 28: the first one to do it where you are a

1258
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 28: facially Politicians who are wealthy always been accused of, oh,

1259
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 28: you're doing it just because of how it fits you,

1260
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 28: which they used it to John Key, and it was

1261
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 28: ridiculous because yeah, John Key's will hide whether it's fifty

1262
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 28: or one hundred million dollars. And I don't think he

1263
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 28: ever did policy based on how it would affect him

1264
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 28: because he doesn't have to have to care.

1265
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 16: So I think.

1266
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 28: It's a low blow, but it's what you get in politics.

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00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: What are your Reconcernso yeah.

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00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 9: Well, look pretty much the same. I mean it was

1269
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 9: a gift, wasn't it. You're releasing a capital gains text

1270
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 9: and I've seen that already, sort of seen that sale

1271
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 9: of his beaks property.

1272
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 7: So you know what a.

1273
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 9: Prime minister owns or ministers and it's all in the

1274
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 9: Register of the Canary Interest. So it's public knowledge. And

1275
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 9: you know the day the days are gone where you strip.

1276
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 9: You know, you didn't even know whether people had a family.

1277
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 9: You know, when you're a politician, it's all out there.

1278
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 9: So yeah, look and yeah it is a bit low

1279
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 9: rent but fair game.

1280
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah it's low rent. But it's effective, isn't it, David.

1281
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 3: I mean it's the most effective thing that the Labor

1282
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 3: Party has done in the last two weeks.

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00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 28: Yeah, lock lock, These things can work. Being said that,

1284
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 28: my experience as a polster, when you go too aggressive

1285
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 28: as an opposition, yes, you damage the government, but you

1286
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 28: actually damage your own standing and favorable He is not

1287
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 28: positionally the too. You have to be careful about this

1288
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 28: stuff because it may be effective, but people don't like

1289
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 28: it and it can rub off on you. I've seen

1290
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 28: that quite a lot over the years. Is the irony

1291
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 28: artistfict I have none inside knowledge here. I think lux

1292
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 28: And has been some of his houses just because he

1293
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 28: doesn't want them as a distraction going forward, so that

1294
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 28: ironically it was him getting rid of them. So they

1295
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 28: want't be an issue. That's allowed labor to make them

1296
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 28: an issue.

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01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean that's exactly right. I don't think there's.

1298
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 28: Anyway here is if you've got your money and shares

1299
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 28: or managed funds houses though you all how anyone have

1300
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 28: more than two houses?

1301
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 3: No, totally. It's the butter thing all over again. Rates

1302
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Speaker 3: went up by more, but we're fixated on the price

1303
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 3: of butter. Okay, now saying so, I don't know that

1304
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 3: the public health guys are doing a very good job

1305
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 3: of explaining to world's parents why they can't jab the

1306
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 3: kids early.

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Speaker 9: Look, I couldn't understand you put it to us so clearly,

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Speaker 9: just explain is the reason you've got no money? Is

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Speaker 9: it dangerous? What is the reason to not making it available?

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Speaker 9: And it's a bit like Chris Laxon with Mike when

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Speaker 9: talking about Bailey. You know, you just it was just

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Speaker 9: all over the place, and yes, everything we most of us.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure I believe that the vaccines are valuable and

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Speaker 9: they should be encouraged. Yes, that's a great message, but

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Speaker 9: mums know best. And if you're a mum and there

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Speaker 9: is you know, measles developing around you, let the mum

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Speaker 9: decide what's best for her child, just like the doctor did.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I feel a little bit like this. I mean,

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Speaker 3: and the thing about this, David, that is kind of

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Speaker 3: counter and it seems to be just a little counterintuitive,

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Speaker 3: is that we've been told by these guys you need

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01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 3: to get jabbing is really important, especially in the face

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Speaker 3: of you know, the COVID hesitancy and stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: and now to be told when we're all like can

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Speaker 3: we jab and I'm like no, it's a bit weird,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 28: It's still have a typical bureaucracy, like you have the

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Speaker 28: skied sule. It's all worked out and it's all based

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Speaker 28: on you know, generally a thing, but doesn't take account

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Speaker 28: of when there are the measles outbreak, people get scared

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Speaker 28: if they want to get them six months early. It

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Speaker 28: shouldn't end up costs in the country more because you

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Speaker 28: have got her eventually.

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Speaker 16: I mean.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, there are no arguments against which is who the

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Speaker 28: immunity should work. So unless you're in an area with

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Speaker 28: multiple cases, there just aren't going to be enough.

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Speaker 16: People for it to spread. But you know, peace of mind.

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Speaker 16: I am a parent.

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Speaker 28: I don't want to take RESK with my kids, So

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Speaker 28: you do need to bureaucracy to show that flexibility.

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Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit of empathy actually would be the

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Speaker 3: thing that the doctor ordered. Now sayings, so, do you

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Speaker 3: know what six seven means?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: John, Then I have no idea what this means. Explain

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Speaker 3: it to me.

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01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 9: Well it is, Well, I'm going I say I know

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Speaker 9: what it is. I've never used it in my life.

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Speaker 9: It's a it's a it's a sort of a well it's.

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Speaker 3: What yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: Passing to David.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, David.

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Speaker 16: I feel so old.

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Speaker 28: I had to google her. I thought I knew some

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Speaker 28: of the stuff. The ben voice goes on Rose secrets.

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Speaker 16: I thought I knew. But I've never heard of sixty seven.

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Speaker 16: It's the year of my birth, so I thought it

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Speaker 16: was about that.

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Speaker 3: No, it's never to be pronounced sixty seven. Apparently you can't.

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Speaker 3: If you say sixty seven.

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Speaker 2: Don't you You have to yell six seven.

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Speaker 3: And then I hope you got the conceven. Yeah, who knows? Okay, jeez, okay,

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Speaker 3: thanks guys, I appreciate it. You've been really helpful there.

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Speaker 3: That's Mark Sainsbury David Farrer. I was asking them that

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Speaker 3: because dictionary dot Com has revealed it as the word

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Speaker 3: of the year six seven, and they say, you're supposed

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Speaker 3: to sort of yell it out. It's supposed to be

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Speaker 3: purposefully nonsensical and slightly absurd, and the kids use it

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Speaker 3: as another way of saying so so or maybe this

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Speaker 3: may be that. So if you're like, how are you feeling,

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Speaker 3: they go, oh, six seven, Yeah, I suppose I can

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01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 3: understand that. Just explain it to myself, don't explain it

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Speaker 3: to you. Eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Ard Radio powered by News Talk zeb.

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Speaker 3: Heather just want to take issue with something that it

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01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 3: was just said, mums don't know best. He's completely wrong.

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Speaker 3: They aren't immunizing their children and some will die as

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Speaker 3: they did in some More a few years back. That's

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Speaker 3: from Shanegeah. I mean that's fair, right, I mean good

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01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 3: muntains no best, crappy mums don't know best and you

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Speaker 3: have to pick which one of the two you're dealing

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Speaker 3: with five away from six now, as I was saying

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Speaker 3: to you earlier, and we're going to speak to their

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Speaker 3: New Zealand CEO straight after the news now obviously bit

1388
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Speaker 3: of disruption today with the old Microsoft going down lord

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Speaker 3: two outages and a week how lucky are we, but

1390
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Speaker 3: also has been in the news for the last week

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Speaker 3: or so asking for subsidies from the governments. We'll have

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Speaker 3: a little chat him about that. If you've been following

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Speaker 3: the story of KFC, you it is a fascinating story

1394
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 3: because you will know that the parent company here in

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01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 3: New Zealand, Restaurant Brands Brands, has been having a really

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Speaker 3: tough time at the moment. His share price has come

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Speaker 3: back eighty percent in the last few years and so on. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: turns that turns out KFC is having a difficult time

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Speaker 3: basically globally, and they have a plan to turn things around,

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01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 3: which is to get rid of the bones, because they

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01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 3: reckon the bones in the chicken are the reason that

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Speaker 3: people aren't eating as much KFC. They say. Since twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: the amount of bone in chicken sold in stores has

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01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 3: fallen by four percent and Boneless has gone up by

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Speaker 3: eleven percent. And the problem is basically the gen Zs,

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01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 3: because the gen Zs eat more fast food than anyone else,

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01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 3: but they don't love KFC. They were just six percent

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01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 3: of Cavec's customer based through July this year. I was

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Speaker 3: asking they if they go in the gen Zs, they

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Speaker 3: go for things that don't have bones, like the tenders

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Speaker 3: and the nuggets and stuff. And so we have a local,

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Speaker 3: We have a gen Z on the team, and I

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Speaker 3: was gonna say I asked him his opinion. I didn't

1414
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Speaker 3: ask him his opinion. He's got strong opinions on fast food.

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Speaker 3: He just piped up with his opinion, and he said

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Speaker 3: he wants to eat his fast food mindlessly and doesn't

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Speaker 3: want to have to be concerned about, you know, choking

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Speaker 3: on a bone, working his way around the bone. I

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01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 3: guess the grease getting all over your face and your

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Speaker 3: fingers while you're trying to work your way around the

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Speaker 3: but you know what I mean. So he just wants

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Speaker 3: to have like popping in your mouth, easy to go

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01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 3: nugget type situation. KFC doesn't have enough of that on

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Speaker 3: office or what KFC is now thinking about is how

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Speaker 3: they start changing their product from the old product that

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Speaker 3: you and I were perfectly fine with on the odd

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Speaker 3: occasion that we decided to have the dirty chock. Now

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01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 3: they're going to go into the tenders. So now they

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01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 3: have to figure out how do you sell a bucket

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Speaker 3: of tenders to someone? How many tenders do you having

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Speaker 3: a bucket of tenders for one person? How many for

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Speaker 3: two people? Is that okay? Can you just sell them

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Speaker 3: a bucket of tenders? Do you know what their problem

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01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 3: with that is? Tenders are more expensive, aren't they Because

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Speaker 3: there's not bone pretending to be tenders, and there's just

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Speaker 3: full noise chicken coming at you. So the bucket's gonna

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01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 3: have to be smaller anyway. So keep an eye on that,

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01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 3: because if you like the bone and the chicken, you're

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01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 3: gonna have to get in there quickly. Looks like it's

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01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 3: one of those things that's going out and maybe you

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Speaker 3: just feel a little bit, I don't know. Six seven

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Speaker 3: about that in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Next quods up what's down one with a major cause

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Speaker 1: and how will it affect the economy? The big business

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01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: questions on the Business Hour with hither duplicy Elan and

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Speaker 1: mas for insurance.

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Speaker 2: Investments and Kuie saf You're in good hands. News talk said.

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Speaker 3: Evening coming up in the next hour. We've had met

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Speaker 3: a Google Microsoft all report in the last day, so

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01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 3: Sam Dicki's going to talk us through that after half

1451
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 3: past Fonterra Sale, going to chat to Jamie McKay about that,

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Speaker 3: and then we'll head off to the UK at seven

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Speaker 3: past six. Now, we had the global Microsoft outage this morning,

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Speaker 3: disrupting websites around the world, and one of the companies

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Speaker 3: that was affected was of course E New Zealand. Some

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Speaker 3: flights were delayed as a result, and we have Nicol

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Speaker 3: ravashank In New Zealand's new chief executive and studio with

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Speaker 3: us right now.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Nicole Hither, how are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thanks if you managed to sort out this morning's.

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Speaker 21: Disruption, we have the teams have done an incredible job

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Speaker 21: dealing with what's been a.

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Speaker 10: Sort of global outage.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, has impacted a lot of big organization to run.

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Speaker 3: So is everything running to time now? By and large,

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Speaker 3: everything's running today by E New Zealand standards.

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Speaker 21: Oh we are.

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Speaker 7: We're very.

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Speaker 21: Proud of the fact that you know, well, I'm very

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Speaker 21: proud of the fact that everyone who works at the

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Speaker 21: airline takes punctuality very seriously.

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, Like, what a way to start this stree.

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01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 3: You're just straight in there with a low blow. I'm sorry.

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01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 3: Prepare yourself. You're going to get along necessarily in the

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Speaker 3: next five minutes from mere above. So what did the

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Speaker 3: guys have to do? They just have to do the

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Speaker 3: manual boarding, did they Yep.

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Speaker 21: We call it BCP or Business Continuity Plans, and so

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Speaker 21: they kick into action a bunch of people across the airline,

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01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,440
Speaker 21: So teams all around the airline actually.

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Speaker 10: Have to have to go into plan B mode.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, and it's a well rehearsed sort of thing that

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Speaker 21: we do. Operations center, airport staff are pilots and cabin

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01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 21: crew of course the digital teams. Yeah, and what they're

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01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 21: pulled off today is absolutely incredible.

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Speaker 3: Hey, do you know what the other day, I was

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01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 3: jumping on a flight and you know, like I got

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01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 3: to the habit of showing them because you're bored with

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01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 3: it as you get onto and you walk across the

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01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 3: air bridge and then you get on the plane and

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 3: then you show them the ticket again. And they were like,

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01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 3: we don't do that anymore? Is that a thing.

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01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 10: Yeah, we've stopped doing that.

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01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 3: So I don't have to show them that I'm sitting

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01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 3: in one sea. I can just knock over to one sea.

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Speaker 10: No, we trust that you know you're on the right.

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Speaker 3: Thank god, Nicol, is this a you thing?

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Speaker 10: It was a great thing actually, but God for that.

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Speaker 3: It was ridiculous like that. We were just like like

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Speaker 3: double handling, won't we.

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Speaker 21: Well, every second counts and you know, one of the

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01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 21: big aspirations we have is to be in the top five,

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Speaker 21: if not the top three airlines around the world as

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Speaker 21: far as safe on time performance is concerned.

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Speaker 3: Well, good luck with that now, Thank you. Thanks, you're

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01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 3: welcomes cheering you on as a customer. Talk to me

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01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,799
Speaker 3: about this regional subsidy? Are you really wanting regional subsidy

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Speaker 3: from the government?

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Speaker 21: Look, come nine days in the job, and if there's

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Speaker 21: anything that's clear in my mind is the fact that

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Speaker 21: a in New Zealand is incredibly critical for New Zealand's

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Speaker 21: success and that it's a complex business right.

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Speaker 10: But at the core of it, our purpose for.

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Speaker 21: Being is to connect New Zealanders to each other, in

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Speaker 21: New Zealand to the world, and that's more important here

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Speaker 21: than anywhere else in the world because so much of

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Speaker 21: our GDP relies on aviation, be it within the country

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Speaker 21: or connecting New Zealand to regions around the world. So

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Speaker 21: all of those things are extremely important and that's what

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Speaker 21: I'm sort of focused on doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they've shut you down already though, haven't they.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Nichola Willis has shut you down. David Siemill

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01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 3: shut you down, Chris Luxon shut you down. So what

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Speaker 3: do you do now?

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Speaker 21: Well, you know, I think there is so much alignment

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Speaker 21: in what we're all trying to achieve, and quite genuinely,

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01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 21: what we all want is to see New Zealand that's thriving,

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Speaker 21: an economy that continues to grow, where we can create

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Speaker 21: connections and trade and with with within.

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Speaker 10: The country and across the world.

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Speaker 21: And just yesterday I was at the Tourism Industry Association event,

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Speaker 21: right and there's a group of people who are you know,

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Speaker 21: representing team It's Team New Zealand and it's best frankly.

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Speaker 21: And one of the things that we're all trying to

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Speaker 21: do Government tourism operators us as Air New Zealand is

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Speaker 21: double tourism's contribution to national GDP. So I think no

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Speaker 21: one shutting anyone down. We're all rowing in the same direction,

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Speaker 21: but they're all one.

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Speaker 3: They were like, no regional subsidy. You need to sort

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Speaker 3: it out yourself if you if you're going to shut

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Speaker 3: down a regional route as a Timaru.

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Speaker 21: Look, I think there are parts of New Zealand that

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Speaker 21: rely on air travel as their primary form of connectivity.

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Speaker 21: Be it Tomoru, be it Hokatika, be it Gisbon, be

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Speaker 21: it Kerry Kerry. You know we take flying in and

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Speaker 21: out of those regions extremely seriously. We know that it

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01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 21: is a lot more than a commercial decision. It's a

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Speaker 21: lifeline service at times, and we will do everything we

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Speaker 21: can and everything we should be doing to ensure that

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Speaker 21: connectivity remains.

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Speaker 3: So would you shut down to Maru?

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Speaker 10: There are no plans to shut down to Maru?

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Speaker 3: Is it one of the first ones, because I hear

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Speaker 3: that's not doing very well.

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Speaker 21: Well, it's not even in the option set of things

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Speaker 21: that I'm currently considering good.

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Speaker 3: So then you don't need the regional subsidy if you're

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01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 3: not thinking about shutting it down.

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Speaker 21: As I said to you, we're all focused on ensuring

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Speaker 21: New Zealand are connected to each other and New Zealand's connected.

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Speaker 3: But I would argue, as a taxpayer which has a

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Speaker 3: shareholding any New Zealand, your primary job is not to connect.

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Speaker 3: Your primary job is to make money. Isn't it?

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Speaker 10: If only life with that simple health?

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Speaker 3: I wish it was. But question on that, why is

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Speaker 3: Quantus doing so much better than you guys?

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Speaker 10: Look, that's a question for.

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Speaker 21: Quantas they operate in a very different market to the

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Speaker 21: one we operate in, but also the same market to

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Speaker 21: an extent. They operate out of New Zealand, but their

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Speaker 21: main focus isn't New Zealand. We operate in a very

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Speaker 21: different market under different market dynamics. We've also, you know,

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Speaker 21: got a very young fleet. We've been investing in the

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Speaker 21: long term health of the business. We're operating in an

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Speaker 21: economy that is starting to turn Yeah, but you know,

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Speaker 21: the last few years have been fairly difficult for us

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Speaker 21: getting out of COVID, and let's not forget we've had

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Speaker 21: the incredible bad luck of having engine troubles, which means

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Speaker 21: twenty percent of our fleet is currently grounded.

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Speaker 3: So you've been unlucky, right, there's an element of being

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Speaker 3: unlucky here.

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Speaker 10: It's been tough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how's your first two weeks as chief executive.

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Speaker 10: It's been a thrilling ride.

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Speaker 21: It has been very full on, but it's also you know,

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Speaker 21: when you think about the reasons you'd want to do

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Speaker 21: this job for me, I decided a while back that

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Speaker 21: I dedicate.

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Speaker 10: My career to a New Zealand Inc.

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Speaker 21: Sort of a set of challenges and doing a job

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Speaker 21: like this is one of the great honors really if

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01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 21: that's what you want to do, because you can actually

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Speaker 21: have a major impact on the future of the country.

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Speaker 10: And what a privilege to do a job like that too.

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Speaker 3: Right, well, listen, I can only wish you well, Nicol,

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Speaker 3: and it's lovely to meet you, and thank you very

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Speaker 3: much for coming in and best of luck with running

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Speaker 3: the company and hope hopefully your luck turns. Nicol Revshenker,

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Speaker 3: Chief Executive, Air New Zealand. Coming up quarter past six.

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Speaker 3: major study of over a thousand business leaders annually tracking

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Speaker 3: positivity with their business performance and the question, of course,

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Speaker 3: is well, how positive are they well? The bo reports

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Speaker 3: that the BPI has fallen too a record low. Just

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Speaker 3: forty eight percent of business leaders feel positive about business performance.

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01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 3: That's compared to fifty seven percent which is prior to

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Speaker 3: the May budget. The five factors that business leaders are

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Speaker 3: the least positive about are the economy, cash flow, finances,

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Speaker 3: political factors, and business pipeline and BDO tells us that

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Speaker 3: the business leaders in the North Island are more optimistic

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Speaker 3: than the South and mid market businesses are more concerned

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Speaker 3: about systems and technology, tourism and retail and construction sector

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01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 3: leaders are the least positive. Looking ahead, the expectations remain subdued.

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Speaker 3: So what's the good news, you ask?

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Speaker 2: The Rural Report on Heather Do for c Alan Drive.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has just lowered tariffs on China and announced

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01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 3: it into Rare Earth's roadblock. This is after the g meeting,

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01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 3: so we'll get you across that detail when we can.

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Speaker 3: It's coming up. Nineteen passicks and Jamie mckaye, host of

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Speaker 3: the Countries with US. Hello Jamie, Hello here.

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Speaker 12: I say, take Trump, So why Iraki on with former

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01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 12: Prime Minister Key on that one? I think you can

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01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 12: display a whole lot of stuff in one hit there.

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01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 12: I mean, Tara's beautiful, but it's just like a flash

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01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 12: links course somewhere else around the world. I think of

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01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 12: all of our golf courses and we've got Cowie Cliffs

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01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 12: and Cape Kidnappers, I'd say Wairaki's the one that'll showcase

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01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 12: New Zealand the best.

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Speaker 9: There you go.

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01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 12: I hope he's a good bunker player.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well see this is the thing. This is

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01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 3: That's that's how Luxon betrayed the fact that he's not

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01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 3: very good at golf. Right he just picked the one

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01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 3: that he knows about.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 12: Probably, But I'm sure John Key, even if Trump can't

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01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 12: remember him, would be a good person to take him golfing,

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01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,560
Speaker 12: because let's face it, I mean he's a bit of

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01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 12: an egotist Old Trump, he isn't he We just take

1647
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 12: him butter him up, tell him what he wants to hear,

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01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 12: and he might drop some tariffs for us as well.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 3: Jk's a good time for four hours. I'd imagine. Now

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01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 3: not a surprise at all, was it that Fonterra's vote

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01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 3: came back so overwhelmingly positive?

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01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 12: No, Look, if you had to have a stab in

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01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 12: the dark at this one, I reckon I would have

1655
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 12: gone ninety ten on this one. So you know, like

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01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 12: eighty eight and a half percent of the farmers that

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01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 12: voted are voted for it. No surprise at or. We

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01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 12: don't look a three point two billion dollar gift horse

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Speaker 12: in the mouth, especially after some challenging times for the

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01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 12: farming industry. And look, as Peter McBride said today when

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Speaker 12: he was addressing the press, this is Fonterra concentrating on

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01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 12: what it does well, as opposed to the old days

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01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 12: under Tao sparrings where they tried to take on the

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01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 12: world and do things that they didn't do as well

1665
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 12: as some other people. Look, leave the consumer brands to

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01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 12: the likes of Luck Talis. I've been practicing that one,

1667
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 12: especially for you, Heather, and get us to do what

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01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,560
Speaker 12: we do really well, and that's the ingredients business and

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01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 12: producing the raw material to the high standard.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to go to Tasman for the best

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01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 3: heading dogs competition?

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Speaker 12: Well, it's not not Tasman. It's a trans Tasman sheep

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01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 12: dog trans tesman Hea. There we're taking on the assis,

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01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 12: you know they ripped us off and the dying minutes

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01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 12: last night and the netball we're.

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01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:18,799
Speaker 4: Going rash person.

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Speaker 3: That's close by.

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01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 12: You can go there, well, not that close by. It's

1679
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 12: like about four hours up the road either.

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Speaker 1: End.

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Speaker 12: By the time in New Zealand get me there, it

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01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 12: would cost me an arm and a leg at short notice.

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01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 12: So I'd be much cheaper to watch it on Telly.

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01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 12: I don't know if it's even on Telly, but this

1685
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 12: is up against the US, up against the Aussies and

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01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 12: the dog trials. You might remember the good old days

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Speaker 12: of a dog show starring the late John Gordon, very

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01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 12: popular on TV. This is a great spectator sport. They

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Speaker 12: bring the sport to the people instead of having up

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Speaker 12: on the hills with the hunter ways. So this is

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Speaker 12: kind of a hybrid course. It's at the Ashburton amp Showgrounds.

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Speaker 12: They've kind of morphed OSSI dog trialing tech next with

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01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 12: ours to make it fair for both nations. We go

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Speaker 12: where we're competing for the Walago Cup.

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Speaker 7: Heather.

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01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 12: Now that's a terminology which means in slang sort of

1697
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 12: come away and let go. That's where Walergo came from.

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01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 12: That's an instruction to a dog. Eyed myself for thirty

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01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 12: Fred Dagg getting behind yelling from a distance. But every

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Speaker 12: man and his dog to what they want themselves. So

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01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 12: we've been competing at in this Cup since nineteen eighty five.

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01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 12: We've won twenty one of thirty seven contests. So it's

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01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 12: all on tomorrow. The New Zealand team is captain by

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01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,560
Speaker 12: Mid Canterbury local Mark Copeland, and they're going to be

1705
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,719
Speaker 12: really out to win this four of them because last

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01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 12: time they competed in nash Burton and twenty twenty three

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01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 12: their captain Neil Evans led them to victory. Unfortunately, Neil,

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01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,959
Speaker 12: a bit of a legend and dog trialing circles, tragically

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01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 12: lost his life last year in a quad bike accident

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Speaker 12: on a farm.

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Speaker 7: So watch out the Kiwis. I think they're going to

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01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 7: give it to the Aussies.

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Speaker 5: Oh I like that.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks very much, Jamie, look after yourself. We'll talk

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Speaker 3: to you next week. Jomy McKay hosted The Country Hither

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Speaker 3: did you hear Nichols say earlier in the interview? I

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Speaker 3: have heard he's been briefed about you. Well I did wonder.

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01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, have you been briefed that I've got

1719
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 3: a thing with punctuality? But then I was like, no,

1720
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 3: he might have just been brief that the entire country

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01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 3: of New Zealand has a thing with punctuality, don't you

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Speaker 3: think six twenty three.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Hender Duper, c Allen and maz

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Speaker 1: for insurance investments and Huiye Safer and you're in good

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Speaker 1: hands news talks, that'd be yes.

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Speaker 3: So a little bit more on the detail from Donald Trump.

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01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,919
Speaker 3: He also said that China has agreed to buy large amounts,

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Speaker 3: tremendous amounts of the soybeans and the farm products are

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01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 3: going to be purchased immediately, and they came to an

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Speaker 3: understanding that China would ease controls that Beijing has imposed

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Speaker 3: on rare earth exports. So a bit of movement there. Listen,

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Speaker 3: would you be impressed if I told you that the

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Speaker 3: other day I pulled it? This is not the bit

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01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 3: to be impressed by. I pulled a jacket out of

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01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 3: the cupboard that I hadn't worn for a little while,

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01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 3: and I stuck my hand in the pocket and I

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01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 3: pulled out my farmer whistle. You know the farmer whistle,

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01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 3: the one that's like flat and you put it, you

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01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 3: do the sheep dogs with it.

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01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:05,560
Speaker 22: I put it.

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01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 3: I put it in my mouth as you do when

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01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 3: you find a whistle. A media like, I don't know

1744
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,839
Speaker 3: how dirty this is, and it goes and away and amazing.

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01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 3: Can do it. I haven't done it in years, can

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01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 3: still do it. Can absolutely get the sheep sheep dogs

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Speaker 3: to do it. Are you impressed by that, because Fra,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie to you. When I did that

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Speaker 3: at home by myself, I was impressed by that. Six

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Speaker 3: twenty six.

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Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

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01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 3: After So there's lots of chat about nukes at the moment.

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01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 3: There's a new movie on Netflix just to add to

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01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 3: a little bit more chatt and it's called House of Dynamite.

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01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 3: It's directed by Catherine Bigelow, who was the first woman

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Speaker 3: to win Best Director for The hurt Locker. She's also

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01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 3: done movies like Zero Dark thirty about the Oshama b

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01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 3: This Bin Laden Assassi assassination, and Soon Anyway. Her new

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01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 3: movie follows what would happen in the twenty minutes after

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01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 3: a nuke is launched at the United States.

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01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 4: None of us are going to be your wife, Camora.

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01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 4: There is We did Harry.

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Speaker 3: So it's very gripping. It's got wide praise, apparently worth

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01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 3: a watch. But it turns out the Pentagon doesn't love

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01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 3: it because they don't love how the US's defenses have

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01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 3: been portrayed. So here's some spoilers. Okay. In the movie,

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01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 3: America's anti missile defense system fails, with a character saying

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01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 3: they only have a sixty percent chance of working, and

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Speaker 3: an elite internal memo from the Pentagon in response to

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Speaker 3: the film said that their interceptors have displayed a one

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01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 3: hundred percent accuracy rate in testing for more than a decade,

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01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 3: although external agencies like the Union of Concerned Scientists kind

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01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 3: of disagree with that. Now, Bigelow has hit back at

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01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 3: the Pentagon bold choice. She says her films are works

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01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 3: of fiction that lean in hard on realism. She hopes

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01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 3: the film will spark conversation about nuclear proliferation and isn't

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01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 3: meant to be one hundred percent accurate. And the film

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01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 3: has already been watched by over twenty million people. In

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01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 3: its first three days of release, and with Trump restarting

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01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 3: America's nuclear testing program. Maybe he was one of them

1781
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 3: who knows does get his ideas from weird places? No

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01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 3: to answer a question, No, No. Sheep dogs came to

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01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 3: the house after Right Blue the whistled by myself. I was,

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01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 3: as I say, just impressed, momentarily very.

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Speaker 5: Impressed by I'm sure they're on their way.

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01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 3: Come on, I come on, they just got a lot.

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01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,560
Speaker 3: It's a long trip from tie Happy where they heard me.

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01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 3: Because it's so good. Sam Dickey is with us next Ry.

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01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,799
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 1: It's Heather due for se Ellen with the Business Hour,

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01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: and Mass for insurance investments and Kiwi Saber, you're in

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01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: good hands news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 3: Whether that movie is crack. It shows things from three

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01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 3: different angles and then has no real ending. Heather House

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01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 3: of Dynamite sucked two hours of my life. I wasted.

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01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 3: Regards Liz Hither, the movie may have been watched by

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Speaker 3: twenty million, but I was one of the twenty million

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01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 3: that wasted two hours of my life watching it, and

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Speaker 3: I would seriously recommend giving it a miss, as it

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01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 3: leaves you hanging with no real story at the end,

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01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 3: because she did did I say, just before she did

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01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 3: the hurt Locker ed. I don't know if you remember

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01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 3: the hurt Locker, but the hurt Locker was kind of

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01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, was it really that good? Like, I

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01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 3: don't think it was that good, was it. I think

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01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 3: it's just one. I think she's artsy. That's why everyone

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01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 3: loves that she's atsy. Anyway, we're going to go to

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01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 3: the UK shortly twenty three away from seven. Now three

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01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 3: of the Big US are Big seven US tech companies

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01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 3: have reported earnings today. You had Meta Microsoft, Google and

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01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 3: that makes it basically ten million or ten trillion dollars

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01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 3: rather of market cap. Sam Dickie from Fisher Funds is

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01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 3: with us on this high Sam.

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Speaker 16: How's it going?

1816
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 2: Heater?

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01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 8: Yeah?

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01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 3: Very well, thank you. So what's going on with the

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01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 3: AI capex supercycle? Is it slowing down? Is it's speeding up?

1820
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 3: What's up?

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01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 29: It is staggering. The numbers are staggering, so it's accelerating

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01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 29: and accelerating at a pretty rapid pace. So four context,

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01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 29: a couple of years ago, the Big four combined, so

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01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 29: that's METEM, Microsoft, Google, who reported today as you said,

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01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,600
Speaker 29: in Amazon spending about one hundred and fifty billion on

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01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 29: a capital expenditure, and this year they're going to spend

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01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 29: three to fifty billion, and next year it now looks

1828
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 29: like they're going to spend it half a trillion dollars.

1829
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 29: And every quarter they report numbers, these forecasted capital expenditure

1830
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 29: numbers just keep getting ratcheted up, and not by small amounts.

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01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:26,839
Speaker 29: It's accelerating in fifty billion increments. And why is this happening?

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01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 29: And it's the prison's dilemma. They can't afford to not

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01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 29: accelerate their spend in case one of their competitors gets

1834
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 29: the jump on them. And it's this relentless race to

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01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:42,560
Speaker 29: get to AGI, it seems, and that's that AI that

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01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 29: matches or exceeds human intelligence.

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01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 3: Now, what did you see in the results that shed

1838
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 3: light on the return on investment that they're generating on

1839
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 3: this massive spend.

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01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 29: It's the It literally is, as you said, the ten

1841
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 29: trillion dollar plus plus question. The good news is the

1842
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 29: investments are dividends. So every quarter that Meta and Google,

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01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 29: for example, are reporting their revenues and profits recently, they

1844
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 29: are also accelerating, so they are also beating expectations, and

1845
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 29: that happened today, and that is because they are deploying

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01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 29: a lot of these This kapis So this CAPEX is

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01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 29: going into, as we've talked about before, accelerated compute computer

1848
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 29: chips or GPUs, which in video sales. And that's because

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01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 29: they're deploying a lot of those accelerated compute computer chips

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01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 29: into their core advertising engines. And that's delivering you and

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01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 29: I more relevant ads and frankly making us spend more

1852
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 29: money and buy more relevant products. However, there is a

1853
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 29: huge chunk of this, you know, half a trillion dollars

1854
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 29: next year of Capex that's going into more experimental AI,

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01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 29: brand new AI products and services. And I think Zuckerberg

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01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 29: said it best or worst when he was specifically asked

1857
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 29: about the return on invested capital on this experimental AI spend,

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01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 29: and he just.

1859
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 16: Waffled, waffled and waffled.

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01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 29: Probably worth listening to a few, said waffle. In short,

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01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 29: the revenue streams and returns are simply not the yet

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01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 29: on the experimental AI.

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01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,480
Speaker 3: Okay, well, what does this then mean for investors?

1864
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 29: Well, to earn the right to spend these huge amounts,

1865
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 29: it's critical that the companies keep beating revenue and earning

1866
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 29: the expectations, which.

1867
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 2: They have been.

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01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 29: But what is super interesting as for the first time

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01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 29: today two out of the three companies the stock prices

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01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 29: were down after market. So despite Microsoft and met A

1871
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 29: beating revenue and profits, they were down after market. And

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01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 29: that's really that the market for the first time given

1873
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,919
Speaker 29: them the shot across the bow, starting to lose patients

1874
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 29: and really saying to them, you need to start showing

1875
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 29: better returns and even faster revenue growth on the back

1876
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 29: of this massive investment, or we will sell your stock

1877
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 29: down and force you to stop spending so much. So

1878
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 29: it's fascinating stuff.

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01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 9: Sam.

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01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 3: So we had Nickel Rabshank in the studio earlier and

1881
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 3: he let slip the you and you and he ride

1882
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 3: bikes together. Mammo, Yeah, that is what you are.

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01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 29: I have occasional hutherin neck ll not not enough, unfortunately, haven't.

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01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 16: I need to get out there more often.

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01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 2: Actually, well, there you go.

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01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you very much. Look after yourself and keep

1887
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 3: yourself safe on the bike. Sam, it's a dangerous thing.

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01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 9: Sam.

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01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 3: Dicky Fisher funds nineteen away from seven. Heither do for

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01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 3: c Allen gi The House of dynamite, I agree, a

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01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 3: waste of an evening. Kept thinking it would improve, and

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01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 3: then the way it ended dot dot really So anyway,

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01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 3: now I'm almost tempted to watch it just to see

1894
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 3: how bad it is, but I am not going to

1895
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 3: because you know, mummies don't have enough. By the way,

1896
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 3: I just can I say Hosking sometimes Hosking is bang

1897
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 3: on a ed boy? Did he get it right? With

1898
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 3: the old and just like that? You know the Sex

1899
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,480
Speaker 3: and the City, the reboots season three? That was fantastic,

1900
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 3: wasn't it. It wasn't the ending of that great? That

1901
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 3: was how it all should have ended the whole time.

1902
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna let it go. I mean, I'm not

1903
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 3: going to give you the spoiler, but that is how

1904
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 3: it always should have ended for Carrie. I just loved it.

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01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 10: It's brilliant.

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01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 3: Sad that's the end of that for us, isn't it.

1907
01:28:59,040 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 2: Now?

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01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 3: Wellington City Can Council, Wellington City Council strikes again. Wait

1909
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 3: till you hear this one. So they've got a problem

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01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,679
Speaker 3: with the speed limit that is actually not the real

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01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 3: life speed limit and they can't enforce it. So this

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01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 3: is if you know Wellington, It's on our tier.

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01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 24: Key.

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01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 3: So you're coming in from the motorway right yet you're

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01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 3: driving south from you know wherever sad Highway one and

1916
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 3: you take the first turn off down out here, Key,

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01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 3: and so you're going to go past the Caketon. The

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01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 3: Caketon's going to be on your right. Just before you

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01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 3: get to the Caketon, they've put in a roundabout. It's

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01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 3: just a traffic calming thing. There's no you don't actually

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01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 3: need it. So you don't actually need there's not an intersection,

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01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 3: you don't need a roundabout. They're just trying to calm

1923
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 3: everybody down and make everybody slow down, right. So as

1924
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 3: a result, they've then dropped the speed limit to fifty,

1925
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 3: but they forgot to do the paperwork finished, so the

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01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 3: speed limit actually really is seventy, even though the signs

1927
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 3: still seventy because that's what it was beforehand. But the

1928
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 3: signs now say fifty. But you can't enforce it. You

1929
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 3: can't just fake it like that with people. So now

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01:29:58,160 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 3: what they've had to do is they've had to take

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01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 3: the signs down, so there are no speed signs now

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01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 3: they're at all telling you, from what I understand, telling

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01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 3: you what speed you're supposed to be driving. So now

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01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 3: they basically need to find a way to resubmit the paper.

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01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 3: We can do the consultation and stuff to get it

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01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 3: actually made into a fifty k speed zone because they

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01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 3: have to. They can't leave it at seventy because the

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01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 3: roundabout's not designed to handle speed coming at seventy. So

1939
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 3: if they leave it at seventy, they have to rip

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01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 3: the roundabout out and start again and put a new

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01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,560
Speaker 3: roundabout in. So yeah, so they're going to have to

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01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 3: do the paperwork again and they're going to have to

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01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,440
Speaker 3: make it fifty and they have to go back to consultation.

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01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 3: Wellington City Council after the UK next seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's the macro micro or just plain economics, it's

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01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 1: all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and

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Speaker 1: Mass for Insurance Investments and Huie Safer.

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Speaker 2: If you're in good hands us talksv.

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Speaker 3: Hither the House of Dynamite was a waste of an

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Speaker 3: even kept thinking it would improve and then the way

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Speaker 3: it ended was really frustrating. Listen. Actually, Antsy's got a

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Speaker 3: theory on this, so ange'll tell us about that shortly.

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Speaker 3: So standby so it might explain something here.

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Speaker 16: What do I want?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, listen, I've got to tell you. Have you

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Speaker 3: seen the latest complaints about the curriculum. You know how

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Speaker 3: everybody's complaining about the curriculum. Everybody's complaining about Erica Stanford's curriculum.

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Speaker 3: The latest complaints about the maths curriculum, and the complaints

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Speaker 3: are it's too difficult, it's more difficult, and there's more maths.

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Speaker 3: Without a word of a lie, this is what people

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Speaker 3: are complaining about, more difficult, more maths, longer list of

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Speaker 3: maths procedures and vocabularies to vocabulary to be memorized each

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Speaker 3: year in school. Also very upset that the year six

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Speaker 3: pupils are going to have to calculate with rational numbers

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Speaker 3: when previously we left it until to year eight. Literally

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Speaker 3: complaining about more maths and more difficult I just want

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Speaker 3: to set the record straight. I'm okay with them learning

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Speaker 3: more difficult maths because currently we are sitting, according to PISA,

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Speaker 3: below the OECD average for what our children know about maths.

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Speaker 3: So more maths and more difficult maths, that's okay by me.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen from Steven Elizabeth Callahan, UK correspondence with that's hello, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 30: Hello, I'm okay with that as well. If my daughter

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Speaker 30: was given more maths and it was more difficult, I'd

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Speaker 30: be cool.

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Speaker 3: With that, Thank you, said every parent everywhere. Now, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: how devastating is it to find out that old mate,

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Speaker 3: the six offender migrant guy got paid to leave the country.

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Speaker 22: Hmm.

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Speaker 30: Yeah, it's not gone down well as you may expect.

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Speaker 30: He has been deported, but to Ethiopia. That happened on

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Speaker 30: Tuesday night after he was accidentally released from jail, just

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Speaker 30: you know, just left roaming the streets. And now it's

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Speaker 30: emerged that he was given a discretionary payment of five

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Speaker 30: hundred pounds to make sure that he didn't bring some

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Speaker 30: kind of legal legal case to disrupt his removal. Now

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Speaker 30: this does happen. Apparently it's shining a light certainly on

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Speaker 30: what goes on. And you can pay up to fifteen

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Speaker 30: hundred hounds, so it could have been worse, I suppose.

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Speaker 30: But questions are being raised by the opposition. The Conservatives

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Speaker 30: are calling it an absolute disgrace, and the lib Dems

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Speaker 30: of saying that the payment is outrageous and people will

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Speaker 30: rightly be angry, and they certainly are so I thought

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Speaker 30: it was going to be all over. I'd have no

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Speaker 30: more stories about this this man, this forty one year old,

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Speaker 30: but it just keeps going on and on and on.

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Speaker 30: So five hundred pounds just to get him out so

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Speaker 30: that he wouldn't, you know, bring any kind of legal

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Speaker 30: that was going to you know, just.

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Speaker 12: I kind of get it. I kind of get it.

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Speaker 3: It looks like it is. It is a perfect like

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Speaker 3: if there is the easiest way to get him out

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Speaker 3: of the country after all of the kafuffle that's gone

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Speaker 3: with them, gone on with them, absolutely get him out.

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Speaker 3: But the fact that you people cannot just remove people

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Speaker 3: who shouldn't be in your country is the That's the

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Speaker 3: heart of the problem, isn't it. So clearly there's going

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Speaker 3: to be a lot of presure to change there. Listen,

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Speaker 3: tell me what's gone on. The Loover robbers.

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Speaker 30: So the two men were arrested for this brazen robbery

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Speaker 30: that took place a couple of weeks ago. Now, according

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Speaker 30: to the Paris prosecutor, they have said that this pair

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Speaker 30: and custody have partially admitted their involvement in the robbery.

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Speaker 30: They are suspected of being the two men who use

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Speaker 30: power tools to take out the window of the Apollo

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Speaker 30: Gallery and steel the French Crown Jewels. Eighty eight million

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Speaker 30: euros worth of jewelry was stolen from this world famous

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Speaker 30: museum earlier this month, and the prosecutor was also addressing

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Speaker 30: evidence at press conference yesterday. Sorry addressing rumors or news

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Speaker 30: reports that the theft was an inside job. So prosecutor

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Speaker 30: was saying, no, no accomplices worked at the muse, but

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Speaker 30: certainly they're obviously investigating all areas and all angles and

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Speaker 30: that they're not ruling out the possibility that there were

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Speaker 30: more than the four suspects caught on CCTV and as

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Speaker 30: you can imagine, I mean, this was a highly organized heist,

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Speaker 30: wasn't it. Unfortunately, no word on where the jewels are presently.

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Speaker 3: Very interesting. Hey, thank you, Elizabeth, there's always appreciated. Look

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Speaker 3: after yourself. That's Elizabeth Callahan, UK correspondent. So what also

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Speaker 3: is KMAT is the first KMAT in the country to

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Speaker 3: do this thing. They are going to charge you to

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Speaker 3: use the trolley. If you've some parts of the world,

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Speaker 3: the airport's do it. You know, you go up and

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Speaker 3: you have to like put a coin in and then

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Speaker 3: the trolley it releases the mechanism, you can take the

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Speaker 3: trolley away. So they're going to charge you to use

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Speaker 3: the trolley, and it's going to cost you fifty cents.

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Speaker 3: And if you don't have a fifty cents, you can

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Speaker 3: go in to the k Maut you can buy yourself

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Speaker 3: a fifty cents and then you can use the fifty

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Speaker 3: cents and then you can use the trolley. And the

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Speaker 3: reason they're doing this is because they're trying to get

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Speaker 3: people to stop stealing the trolleys. Now I don't want

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Speaker 3: to point out the floor in this, but the floor

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Speaker 3: is fifty cents is a cheap trolley, isn't it? I mean,

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Speaker 3: fifty cents is a cheap trolley. So if you were

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Speaker 3: going to steal that trolley before, and you still want

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Speaker 3: to steal that trolley, it's just gonna cost you fifty cents.

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Speaker 3: That's not a dis incentive, is it. I mean what like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what is a distance? I like, if

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Speaker 3: you really want a trolley for, God only knows what

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Speaker 3: you want a trolley for, I don't know how much

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Speaker 3: is like at what point it stops being that like

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Speaker 3: worth it? Because I feel like if you if you're thinking, geez,

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Speaker 3: I really need to get all this stuff across the office.

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Speaker 3: I know what I need, O Camar trolley. I reckon

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Speaker 3: i'd pay ten dollars for that. Maybe i'd even go

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Speaker 3: to twenty. So I'm not sure there and there's no

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Speaker 3: coin for that, so I don't know that they can

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Speaker 3: even really stop the problem of what it'll be is

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Speaker 3: they'll stop the kind of like just the by chance theft.

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Speaker 3: You know, somebody's walking fasca it's a trolley and take

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Speaker 3: off with it. They're gonna stop that. But if you

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Speaker 3: want to steal a trolley fifty cents has a bargain

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Speaker 3: ate away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Heither if you take it back, you get your money back.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to go back for fifty cents? I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to go back for fifty cents? I mean, like,

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Speaker 3: I don't even feel like that's a rich prick thing

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Speaker 3: to say. I'm not going back for Laura, come off

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Speaker 3: it the other half, Liver, You are not going back

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Speaker 3: for fifty cents?

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Speaker 5: Why it's fifty cents?

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Speaker 3: Like it's fifty Is this like an OECD like an

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Speaker 3: o C, OECD and OCD thing feel like you've got

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Speaker 3: a collect the money.

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Speaker 5: It's just an what do I lose? I lose maybe

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Speaker 5: five minutes of my life for fifty you're five. Think

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Speaker 5: about how much paid I'm going to pay ten cents

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Speaker 5: of mint. That's a good enough reak for me.

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Speaker 3: About how much you're paid by this. Your five minutes

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Speaker 3: is worth more than fifty cents.

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Speaker 5: I actually know. No, I just don't think you're going

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Speaker 5: to notice I'd go back for two dollars extra time

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Speaker 5: that you're wouldn't you go back for a dollar fifty?

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Speaker 3: No, I go back for two dollars. I'm with the

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Speaker 3: maximum coin.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe you people. I can't believe that you're

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Speaker 3: shocked at this. Laura has her hand on her head

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Speaker 3: like she's listening to Mike Hosking talking about the fact

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Speaker 3: that he employs somebody to hang his art or like

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Speaker 3: the guy who washes his cars. It's not even in

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Speaker 3: the same It's like fifty cents is not on the

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Speaker 3: same board.

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Speaker 5: Buy some plain yoga the other day, and I think

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Speaker 5: I bought one pottle because it was about thirty cents

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Speaker 5: cheaper than they do that.

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Speaker 3: I would do that, but that's because I'm standing right

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Speaker 3: there and it's like that, there's no there's no there's

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Speaker 3: no cost of my time. I can pick that one

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Speaker 3: up with that one fifty cents going back and put

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Speaker 3: in the trolley back of hell now and then you've

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Speaker 3: got to you gotta deal with the wobbly wheels. Oh,

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Speaker 3: just rub your nuts. And so why are people liking

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Speaker 3: Catherine Begelow?

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, okay, so Catherine Begelow. I think she made

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Speaker 5: Point Break right in nineteen ninety one, which is.

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Speaker 3: A surprise to hear because that's a long time between

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Speaker 3: Point Break and her.

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Speaker 5: She's been making films all the way through that no

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Speaker 5: one ever heard of. Wow, I mean some people.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so she's still got cachet from them.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean's Point Break if you've seen it as brilliant,

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Speaker 5: So she like she's a very good direction.

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Speaker 3: Seen it? What are you doing?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, well no, for the listener's not all worst

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Speaker 5: but yeah, so yeah, a lot of people in texting

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Speaker 5: and complaining about the endings. So of course I haven't

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Speaker 5: seen this movie, but this new one, this Nuclear War one,

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Speaker 5: but they're complaining about the ending, So I wonder if

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Speaker 5: if you don't mind ambiguous endings, well maybe anyway, I'll

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Speaker 5: watch it tonight.

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Speaker 3: You like an ambiguous in so this sounds right up.

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Speaker 5: I like an ambiguous ending, So I will give it

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Speaker 5: a chance tonight and we'll see. We'll see what I

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Speaker 5: think tomight.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but I'm not here for that Tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to Supersonic by Oasis to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 5: Have an amazing time here to look It's let us sweet.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to Melbourne, which I hate, on an Air

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Speaker 3: New Zealand plane which I have mixed feelings, and Nicol

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Speaker 3: Nicol and the priest lady said they are going to

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Speaker 3: make sure that flight is running on time, so you're well, disagrees,

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Speaker 3: welcome to everybody else who's on the flight. But how

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Speaker 3: good is Oasis is going to be?

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Speaker 5: Ill tell you what? Yeah, that should be like of

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Speaker 5: even being in Melbourne. I'm sure you'll find something to

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Speaker 5: enjoy about this trip.

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Speaker 3: Yes, do you know what. I'm just not to go

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Speaker 3: to the northern suburbs because the northern suburbs are the

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Speaker 3: things that suck about Melbourne. So I'm just going to

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Speaker 3: restrict myself to the call.

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Speaker 5: But sure there'll be an after party or something. You

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Speaker 5: can go to Nord.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine how cool that would be? And we're

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Speaker 3: just so wild that fight would be fantastic. Anyway, listen,

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Speaker 3: enjoy it, but it'll be it's two hours later. I'll

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Speaker 3: be very tired, so I'll be on New Zealand Times.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy yourself and I'll see you on Monday. News Talks

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