1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Jonathan Kursley as our US correspondence that I had Jonathan. 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: How the hello and to hallo everybody across Eakland and 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 2: New Zealand. How brilliant it is to be able to 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: talk to you. 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: It's good to have you with us, mate. Now listen. 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Was the speech from King Charles intended to wind Donald 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: Trump up? 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: Look? I think Canada certainly wanted to make a point 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 2: and I think what you've got to look at with 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: this speech is it's quite similar to what King Charles 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: would deliver at the opening of the British Parliament, written 12 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: by the government for the government. But there is very 13 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: clearly an approval from Buckingham Palace that comes out of this. 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: There is very clearly a long chain of process that 15 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: goes through to tick this off. But it was pointed, 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: and it was pointed in a way that was subtle, 17 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: but subtle enough that you're not going to anger Donald 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: Trump to a certain extent. It wasn't ever going to 19 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: mention him by name, and it didn't. It didn't talk 20 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: about the fifty first state, but it alluded to Canadian sovereignty. 21 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: It alluded to all all of the issues that Markkarni 22 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: fought on during his election campaign. It alluded to everything 23 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: that essentially got him over the line, which was fighting 24 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: back about Canadian national interests. What we heard King Charles 25 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: say in part in English and in part in French, 26 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: which was also very very interesting to note that the 27 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: King spoke pretty fluent French as far as I could tell. 28 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: I'm not a French native speaker, so for any French 29 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: native speakers out their apologies. However, it did appear that 30 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: the King was well across his French dialect and his 31 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: French tones. But what the King did say is that 32 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: Canada faces a critical moment, that democracy, pluralism, the rule 33 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: of law, self determination, values which Canadians hold dear ones 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: which the government is determined to predict. Says that this 35 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,639 Speaker 2: was a dangerous time, said that Canadians must be clear 36 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: eyed that the world is in a more dangerous and 37 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: uncertain place than any point since the Second World War, 38 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 2: and that Canada is facing challenges that are unprecedented in 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: our lifetimes. So this was very clearly a speech designed 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: to appeal to the Canadian domestic audience, one that came 41 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: from their sovereign, from King Charles, but also one that 42 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: came with a pointed message to those south of the border, 43 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: and that being the American President Donald Trump. 44 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: Why are they taking this so seriously? I mean, clearly 45 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: doesn't actually mean it. 46 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: No, And this is half of the thing you have 47 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: to look at with Donald Trump. When he talks about 48 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: Canada being America's fifty first state, or he talks about 49 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: taking Greenland, or he talks about taking the Panama Canal, 50 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 2: you do have to question is he actually being serious 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: about any of this? Is he being fully transparent with 52 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: the American public, with the Canadian public, with the Greenland public, 53 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 2: with all of those that he could potentially take these 54 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: countries by force or by will. And that's one of 55 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: those things that you do have to look at. I mean, 56 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: he did threaten this afternoon, essentially saying that if Canada 57 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: wants to be part of America's so called Golden Dome 58 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: system similar to what he's said could be Israel's Iron Dome, 59 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: then if Canada joins the American Union, that being the 60 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: fifty first state, they'll play zero dollars to be part 61 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: of it. If they want to be not part of 62 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: it and still pay, they'll pay sixty one billion dollars. Now, 63 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 2: the question is, clearly Donald Trump is trying to make 64 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: this about money. He's trying to continue to raise this 65 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: idea he could force Canada to become America's fifty first state. 66 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: Is it a realistic prospect. No, it's not. Neither is 67 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: Greenland becoming part of America. Neither is the Panama Canal 68 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: being entirely brought back into America. But what Donald Trump 69 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: is doing, he's appealing to this base. 70 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: Is his motivation not to just get them to help 71 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: pay for the Golden Dome. 72 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: Part of that may well be yes, but also the 73 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: thing is is if the Golden Dome, and you've got 74 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: to remember how this would likely operate, is that he 75 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: is going to be some missiles potentially launched from the ground, 76 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: some potentially launched from space. It's very hypothetical. And take 77 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: into the idea that Israel is far smaller than the 78 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: United States of America. If you're talking about trying to 79 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: protect the United States of America from missiles right across 80 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: the board the United States of America and I'm sorry 81 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: to do this to New Zealanders, but it is the 82 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: same size as Australia. So you are talking about covering 83 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: the entire Canadian border, the entire Mexican border, everything around 84 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: the Gulf of Mexico, or as Donald Trump sees it, 85 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: the Gulf of America. It is a vast area of 86 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: land that is going to cost a vast amount of money. 87 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: And yes, he is all about financial transactions, and he 88 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: is trying to talk to the Canadians and say pay 89 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: up or else. But the reality is this isn't going 90 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: to happen. 91 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: Yeah too right, Jonathan listen, always got to talk to you. 92 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time, mate. That's Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent. 93 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: Trump is not joking here. It's amazing. You don't take 94 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: a threat seriously, Oh, come off that. How do you 95 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: think he's going to go and get Canada for himself? 96 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: Get real? For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen 97 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: live to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 98 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.