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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks ATB.

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Speaker 2: Comedian Alan Davis is known for his no One and

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Speaker 2: beloved I should say no One in beloved for his natural,

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Speaker 2: relatable storytelling style and skills on all sorts of different

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Speaker 2: formats TV, on the page and on stage. And while

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Speaker 2: he's always been a bit of a staple of British

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Speaker 2: television shows like QI and Jonathan Creek, it's been more

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Speaker 2: than a decade since Ellen last did a stand up

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Speaker 2: comedy tour, that is until now, and while New Zealand

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Speaker 2: didn't make the first cut of tour dates, Ellen has

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Speaker 2: decided that actually he just cannot stay away from our shores.

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Speaker 2: He is going to bring his show down Under and

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Speaker 2: he's with us this morning. Held a good morning Hello.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm very very well, Thank you, delighted to be speaking

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Speaker 2: with you, longtime fan. I feel like I grew up

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Speaker 2: with the sounds of Jonathan Creek, just kind of emanating

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Speaker 2: throughout my household and moved from then on to QI

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Speaker 2: and various other things. So it is a great please

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Speaker 2: to be speaking with you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Could be worse, could be worse than Jonathan Creek.

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Speaker 3: You know the theme tune Mate, the San songs, Dance Macabroo,

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Speaker 3: the kind of a version of it. It's such a

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Speaker 3: brilliant theme tune, and people I know have often said

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Speaker 3: to me, oh God, as soon as the music starts,

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Speaker 3: you know. But I did once catch myself humming the

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Speaker 3: theme tune as I was walking down the street and

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Speaker 3: wandering into the shop, and I had to kind of

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Speaker 3: stop myself, realizing that people were turning heads, probably thinking, oh,

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Speaker 3: look at this idiot just advertising his presence.

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Speaker 2: He thinks it's his theme music rather than the theme

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Speaker 2: music for the show itself.

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Speaker 3: It's the star of his own life, and he is

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Creek. But yeah, there are worse things you could

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Speaker 3: have emanating through your health.

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Speaker 2: It's not not only a great song, it's a great

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Speaker 2: don't you think it is a great name for a

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Speaker 2: piece like would Dance my Car would be as good

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Speaker 2: if it wasn't called Dance my carbra I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it needs an animated video.

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Speaker 2: It's ten years Ellen since your last tour. I know

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Speaker 2: you were you're a busy man, but well, why was

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Speaker 2: now the right time to get back on stage and

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Speaker 2: tour with a special.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad to report it has turned out to

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Speaker 3: be the right time, because the show's been going pretty well.

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Speaker 3: It'd been so long that it was feeling beginning to

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Speaker 3: feel like a gamble. I don't really know. I wrote

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Speaker 3: a book a few years ago. We had a third

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Speaker 3: child in twenty fifteen, there was a pandemic. There were

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Speaker 3: a few things that combined, but I think really I

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Speaker 3: spent some time unpacking stuff from my childhood doing a

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Speaker 3: changed a lot of how I viewed myself and what

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Speaker 3: And this recent show, Think Ahead, it is kind of

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Speaker 3: So though it's maybe difficult material, but I feel I'm

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Speaker 3: All my stand up shows have created conjunction with audiences

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Speaker 3: working on material in that way, and I've got to

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Speaker 3: I'm really sort of proud of it. I've always been

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Speaker 3: that task in hutch routine, you know. But now I

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Speaker 2: So do you feel that you are as well as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I mean the goal is still

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Speaker 3: meet some of the audiencing people are saying, oh, and

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Speaker 3: the stuff you're talking about, by the way, when a

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Speaker 3: really good, feedbacks, really positive both on content and on

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Speaker 2: Just to be totally clear, and I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: but you're right, really, you know, I think really movingly

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Speaker 2: But how do you think about that kind of narrative weave.

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Speaker 2: Is there is there a risk, for one of a

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Speaker 2: that it's very hard to get the audience back in

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the test. There's sort of challenge for me.

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Speaker 3: And you know, when I say to the audience, when

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Speaker 3: historical sexual abuse, I said, I've never talked about this

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Speaker 3: then I talked to them about perhaps feeling less like

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Speaker 3: But not to fear, not here to make you uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: These people have got lives of their own, experiences of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was taken aback a little bit by your

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Speaker 2: did think it was a curious coincident that your dates

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Speaker 2: the Ashes, are you a cricket are you a cricket fan?

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Speaker 3: Manage at well? I think that was very fortunate. I mean,

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Speaker 3: what a happy accident is that?

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Speaker 2: Is that part of the plan.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to take in a couple of days, a

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Speaker 2: Oh how special for the boxing day.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about bears ball because we feel

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Speaker 3: Well, I find it fascinating really. I remember hearing Andy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he certainly has a swagger about him. There's no

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Speaker 2: doubting that. Hey, why do you think why do you

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the origin of a lot of them

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Speaker 3: is the origin for a lot of panel shows.

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Speaker 3: Well, less the Goons because they were on their feet

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Speaker 3: doing silly voices. But there's a long tradition and some

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Speaker 3: panel shows started there and stay there. You know, there's

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Speaker 3: a show that David Mitchell has called The Unbelievable Truth.

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Speaker 3: You just sit around a panel and you give us

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Speaker 3: true amongst a blizzard of lies. It's a really good format.

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Speaker 3: It's never transferred to TV. They've done about twenty series

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Speaker 3: you know, and shows like QI are a good example

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Speaker 3: can't remember any of the recordings. I saink oh, I

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we are we are delighted that you're coming

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Speaker 2: to New Zealand next year. We really are. Congratulations on

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Speaker 2: Think Ahead and the success that you've had with the

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Speaker 3: Oh I can't wait. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That is Alan Davis. Tickets to Allen's tour and more

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