1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Devin Gray UK corresponds with our sello, Gevin Hi, the 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: haven't got the Russians getting kids to spy for them? 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: Well, that's partially one of the avenues of investigation that 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: the Dutch police are looking at. Two seventeen year old 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: boys have been arrested on suspicion of quote state interference 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 2: in the Netherlands, it can be said, in a case 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: with reported links to Russian spying. 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 3: So what do we know? 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: The details of sparse, but we do know the pair 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: were allegedly contacted by pro Russian hackers on the messaging 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: app Telegram. The Dutch media reporting that one of the 12 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: boys allegedly walked past the offices of Europol, So that's 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: European Police eurous, that's the European Justice buildings and the 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: Canadian embassy all in the Hague, carrying what's called a 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: Wi Fi sniffer. Now, for the uninitiated, this is a 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: device which basically allows you, if you can get near 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: a Wi Fi signal, to possibly identify it and then 18 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: intercept the network it's working from. 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: The teenagers have appeared before a judge. 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: One of the boys has been reminded, the other has 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: been allowed home but on street bail conditions and rather interesting. 22 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 3: One of the boys fathers. 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: Said to a Dutch newspaper that the police had arrested 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: his son while he was doing his homework, and he 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: said police had told him the arrest was related to 26 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: espionage and rendering services to a foreign country. 27 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 3: The teenagers described as computer savvy. 28 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: And having a fascination for hacking, all while holding a 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: job down with the supermarket lord. 30 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: Hey, listen, is it quite possible that Israel doesn't get 31 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: to participating Eurovision. 32 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: I think it's looking more and more likely. 33 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 2: The Eurovision Song Contest, this annual festival of music where 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: each country puts forward a song and everyone else photes 35 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: on it is always saying look, we're not political. We are, 36 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: you know, we just don't want any politics. This is 37 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: all about music and peace and harmony. But more and 38 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: more countries are lining up to say, if Israel takes 39 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: part this year, as you allowed it to last year 40 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: despite protests, if Israel takes pass in the May contest, 41 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: we will not come now. This all started with a 42 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: couple of countries, but it's been much much more widened 43 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 2: since those original people said that Ireland, the Netherlands, Slovenia, 44 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: Iceland and Spain all said that they would either drop 45 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: out or be likely to drop out if Israel's involvement 46 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: is continued. So, now the European Broadcasting Union is confirmed, 47 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: it would invite sixty eight member countries who knew there 48 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: were that many, to give their view at a General 49 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: Assembly meeting in early November. A decision would then be 50 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: taken by a simple majority. So if more than fifty 51 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: percent of those members vote to exclude Israel, then the 52 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: country will not be allowed to take part in twenty 53 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: twenty six. 54 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: But at least the kebab situation has resolved. 55 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: Ah well, this is a story that I know will 56 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: be close to many people's hearts. Kebabs in this country 57 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: often sort of delivered out of the back of takeaway 58 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: vans and often late at night when you've had a 59 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: few beers. But the Turks, and this was of course 60 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: the kebab don a kebab originally from Turkey. The Turks 61 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: applied for traditional specialty guaranteed labels. Now what that effectively 62 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: means is, look, this is a regional dish, we want 63 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: to keep it original, authentic, and that means that basically 64 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 2: there were a number of things they wanted to make 65 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: sure and ensure that people had to follow if it 66 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: was going to be called donka bab. First of all, 67 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: the meat would have to come from a cowaged over 68 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: sixteen months, lamb aged at least six months. Chicken thighs 69 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: or breasts were allowed. Vealin Turkey meat would be banned. 70 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: Meat would have to be sliced to a thickness of 71 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: three to five millimeters head up, and the type of 72 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: knife would be regulated. Marinade subject to rules too. Now 73 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: that meant, of course that lots of people were up 74 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: in arms. Donika babs are huge in Germany alone, where 75 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: there are more than one point five million Turkish citizens. 76 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: It is a massive industry of its own, said to 77 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: be worth roughly five billion New. 78 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: Zealand dollars in Germany alone. 79 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: The idea they were going to dictate what type of 80 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: knife you could use and the thickness of the meat, well, 81 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: that certainly was something that the Europeans were complaining about. 82 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: And now Turkey has dropped that application too. 83 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: Right, Hey, thank you very much, Gavin, appreciate it. Talk 84 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: to you in a couple of days. Kevin Gray are 85 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: UK correspondent. By the way, staying in Europe. And this 86 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: is actually I A lot of us are going to 87 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: listen to this and think this is a good idea. 88 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: Zurich has voted to ban the leaf blowers and the 89 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: leaf suckers if they run on petrol. Because over in 90 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: Zurich they've got the direct democracy, you know, where they 91 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: can where citizens can basically if they get a certain 92 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: number of votes. You know, I don't think it's an 93 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: unreasonable number of votes, so they can get they could 94 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: basically launch their own referendu and then it goes out 95 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: to a vote, and then they get to vote and 96 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: the thing becomes a thing. Anyway, they've done this. They've 97 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: banned the leaf blowers and they've banned the leaf suckers 98 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: if they run on the petrol. The electric ones are 99 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: okay because the electric ones, as you well know from 100 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: your own Saturday and Sunday mornings, are quieter. But even 101 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: the electric ones are only allowed to run between October 102 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: and December, which of course for them is late autumn 103 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: early winter, and that's it. Now, I'm I think that's 104 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: going a little overboard. I don't mind if they use 105 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: the leaf blowers and the leaf suckers anytime of the year, 106 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: as long as they're electric. But it's the only time 107 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: I hate the fossil fuel. It's the only time I 108 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: hate it. 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