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Speaker 1: In what increasingly looks like a global change of hearts sport,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand has been told to scrap its transgender inclusion guidelines. Previously,

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Speaker 1: trans people could take part in community sports the gender

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Speaker 1: they identified with. The change hands control back to individual sports. Now,

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Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell these days as Minister of Sport, of course

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Speaker 1: news whether it's Mark morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, hey, good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 1: You took this from Bishop of course at once point

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Speaker 1: in time. How angsty is this whole issue in this

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Speaker 1: portfolio generally.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's always there's quite a bit of discussion and

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Speaker 2: debate that sort of happens around it. But look, I

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Speaker 2: think that generally speaking, most fair minded Kiwis would say

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Speaker 2: that when it comes to sport, it so they should.

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Speaker 2: The basic tenant around it should be safety and fairness.

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Speaker 1: Are you arguing that or are you arguing that because

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Speaker 1: New Zealand first told you to argue that?

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Speaker 2: No. No, I personally believe that I've played sport my

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Speaker 2: whole life, and I think that safety and fairness the

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Speaker 2: two guiding principles that any sporting or code should follow it.

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Speaker 2: But we've decided, as part of the coalition agreement with

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Speaker 2: New Zealand first that you know that the government is

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Speaker 2: not going to dictate to the codes what they would

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Speaker 2: be doing. The codes and the sporting bodies themselves they

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Speaker 2: know best, They know how to run their sports fairly

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Speaker 2: and safely, and so they can make those decisions in

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Speaker 2: consultation with throwing communities in their own members.

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Speaker 1: That leaves the possibility of some rogue sports doing rogue

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Speaker 1: things in a lot of community angst. If that unfolds,

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Speaker 1: is that they're problem no longer yours.

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Speaker 2: No Sporting in Zeed's well, any sporting bodies that are

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Speaker 2: funded by the New Zealand tax bar, Sporting in z

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Speaker 2: has a responsibility to monitor and make sure that those

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Speaker 2: that those sports and those codes are actually being run properly.

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Speaker 2: So no, there'll still be government oversight on any sporting

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Speaker 2: body or organization that receives tax has money.

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Speaker 1: Right, Why doesn't this go all the way to elite sport?

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Speaker 1: Why is it stuck at community?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's right across sport, but we've just decided that government.

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Speaker 2: Well it relates to codes and sports. So codes and

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Speaker 2: sports have got both ground you know, grassroots sports and

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Speaker 2: they've got elite sports people as well, So it doesn't

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Speaker 2: differentiate it it relates to all codes and sports.

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Speaker 1: Do Sports New Zealand accept this willingly or do they

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Speaker 1: do it begrudgingly?

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Speaker 2: No, they accepted it very willingly. They're a great organization

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Speaker 2: that are focused on making sure that we can deliver

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Speaker 2: and maximize every textbar dollar in terms of participation in

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Speaker 2: supporting sport in New Zealand. We're a proud sporting nation

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Speaker 2: and both Sporting in ZED and Higher Formance Sporting ZED

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Speaker 2: do an outstanding job.

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Speaker 1: Put your cop hat on this five hundred delay? Yet again,

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Speaker 1: how ugly politically do you think it's going to get

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Speaker 1: for you?

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Speaker 2: Look, I totally get it. But the fact of the

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Speaker 2: matter is is that is that we always said that

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Speaker 2: it was going to be tough. We haven't backed away

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Speaker 2: for the fact that we are working as hard as

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Speaker 2: we can. The police are working as hard as they

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Speaker 2: can to deliver on those five hundred. But of course

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Speaker 2: what we did on cover is that there had been

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Speaker 2: a move away from consistency around standards, and we've prioritized

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Speaker 2: standards and said that in a service like police, standards

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Speaker 2: really do matter.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough to where are you going to.

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Speaker 2: I'm hitting back up talks. I'm sorry about that. I'm

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Speaker 2: sitting at the in the airport.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just a word's interested, know where you're where you're hitting.

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Speaker 2: I'm hitting from that Talkland today.

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Speaker 1: Could only mate fly well Mike Michelt, Minister of Sport.

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