1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Is fast track turning out to be not that fast. 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Taranaki's seen two hundred and fifteen groups having their say 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: on this VTMC bed mining project that was always going 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: to be controversial. Of course. The Advisory Panel's gone ahead though, 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: and appointed a former Forest and Bird legal advisor to 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: oversee legal issues now. Shane Jones is the Resources managed 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: our Minister r and is back with us. 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: Morning. Hey morning. 9 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: So so far in fast track we have one cleared project, 10 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: which is the Auckland Port Extension. Is this the sort 11 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: of pace you were expecting? 12 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: Oh, I got to be careful. It doesn't turn into 13 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: farcical track. Obviously fast means accelerate. I was surprised, and 14 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to be very careful because US politicians always 15 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: get into the neck when we talk about judicial things. 16 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: But I was astounded that this Forest and Bird lawyer 17 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: has been appointed as a specialist advisor there in Tallaanaky 18 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: and the panel. No doubt, we'll have to watch very 19 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: carefully whether or not that taints the process. But more 20 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: astounding to me was that since the Taramaki Mona the 21 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: mountain has been given legal personhood, the panel has decided 22 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: to consult the Mountain as to whether or not this 23 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: thirty kilometer initiative out of the coastline of Taranaky to 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: dig up the ironsteins should be considered. I mean, it's unbelievable. 25 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: I knew that we were going to recognize Taranaki Mountain, 26 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: but I never thought that the mountain would either puff 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: or Belgian tell us what it thinks. 28 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: Be very interesting to see what it has to say. 29 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:23,639 Speaker 1: Didn't you appoint the panel? 30 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: No, Sadly the system is that I'm not in control 31 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: of the fast tracking miracle. I think ministers should have 32 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 2: made all the decisions. But that was fine. That made 33 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: a different decision. I've delivered the outcome. But look, you know, 34 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: we're on the precipice of a resource renaissance and we 35 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: are still dealing with embedded forces, whether it's in the community, 36 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: these periguink cale hpoo's or these greenies who could tastrifize everything. 37 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: We're dealing with a substantial reduction and earnings not only 38 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: from manufacturing but from oil and gas, and that driven 39 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 2: by the juvenile decision that just sind the meat cancer 40 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: the industry. We need new industries. There's a Sahara desert 41 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: scale of industry off the coast of Tatamukey and we 42 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: just want a fair process where technology, rationalism, science delivers 43 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: an outcome. 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: Exactly when I say you appointed the panel, didn't mean 45 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: you personally, meant you the government. Didn't the government appoint 46 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: the panels? 47 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: No, no, no, the Well, we have a we have 48 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 2: a situation where we have some convenience embedded and side 49 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: the EPA an organization with people, so not the him 50 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: or her, they them. I mean that sort of culture 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: as we rooted out of the whole state. 52 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: But but how come you guys, I mean, what's the point? 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: Here's your issue with the polls, and you will have 54 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: seen the polls last week. When it comes to people 55 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: blaming you for the economy, one of your ideas, one 56 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: of your better ideas, is fast track. And fast track 57 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: that turns out isn't fast. Why aren't you in charge 58 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: of the panel and get this thing rolling? Why isn't 59 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: it fast? 60 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: Shane, Well, we're about to make a whole lot of amendments, 61 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: mister Bishop and I because we had the housing project 62 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: up and or installed some heretical economists. So obviously there 63 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: are elements that are not turning out as we thought 64 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 2: it should, Mike, but I want everyone to be reminded. 65 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: I was the guy who campaigned with Winston for ministers 66 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: to make all of these decisions. I feared that once 67 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: it went into the bureaucracy and these grandees, they find 68 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: all sorts of reason to elevate inanimate inanimate objects like 69 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: now the mountain has to say, thirty kilometers off the coastline. 70 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: By the way, that mountain apparently came from Lake Pople 71 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 2: when it fell out of its lover over there. So look, 72 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: we can't have this mythology and all these lizards and 73 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: various other critics overwhelming our need to grow jobs and 74 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: save the economy. 75 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: No, indeed not. But you've got an election next year 76 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: and you've got to get on with it. Appreciate it. 77 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: Shane Jones, Resources Minister. 78 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 79 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 80 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.