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Speaker 1: Jason Wall's news Talks be Political Leaders is with us.

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Speaker 2: Hello Jason, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: So what's raw? What you been up to?

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Speaker 2: Well? I mean it comes from a social media post

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Speaker 2: that he made a couple of weeks ago, and he

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Speaker 2: basically he was praising Bikino Faso's president Ibrahim Traore in

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Speaker 2: a social media post, calling him a modern day hero.

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Speaker 2: He said there was a video of him making a

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Speaker 2: speech and in the comment attaching it said, Tino Ranga

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Speaker 2: tiretanga is not only a domestic commitment, it's an international

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Speaker 2: determination or fight for political economics, social and cultural independence

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Speaker 2: and liberation is not a dream, It's a decision now.

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Speaker 2: David Seymour isn't.

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Speaker 3: Pleased that this, given trio's track record is a little

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Speaker 3: bit patchy. He says, his hero speaking about Rai here

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Speaker 3: is a Marxist dictator who has delayed elections and banned homosexuality.

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Speaker 3: Tipati Marii is not in parliament to uphold democracy but

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Speaker 3: wreck it now. The Human Rights Watch has accused Bikino

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Speaker 3: Faso's government forces and allied media of massacring up to

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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty civilians in March so obviously this

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Speaker 3: is not the sort of usual role model people would have.

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Speaker 3: Now Chris Luxen was asked about this today.

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Speaker 2: Here's what he said. Well, it's pretty wacky remarks from Rawori,

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Speaker 2: to be honest, and ultimately that's a problem for the

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Speaker 2: Labor Party because he's going to be one.

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Speaker 3: Of their four potential deputy promisters if that's the case.

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Speaker 2: So I'd go ask Chris Hopkins about that. Now, there

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Speaker 2: might be people listening to this being like, why are

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Speaker 2: you talking about this nonsense? It's not politics, And to

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Speaker 2: that I would say that we do have a tendency.

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Speaker 2: I mean, imagine if the shoe was on the other foot,

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Speaker 2: and it wouldn't even have to be a sitting act

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Speaker 2: Party member, even if it was like some scure candidate

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Speaker 2: from some part of the country that said that some

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Speaker 2: fascists somewhere was his hero, it would be coverage wall

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Speaker 2: to wall everywhere. So it's just fair to provide a

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Speaker 2: little bit of balance when the shoe is on the

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Speaker 2: other foot.

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Speaker 1: Who said, why are we talking about this?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm just saying that there would be people

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Speaker 2: out there that listen to these sort of these beltway

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Speaker 2: arguments that we have about what social media, what politicians

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Speaker 2: say on social media, and I can understand there would

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Speaker 2: be people out there saying actually talk about the real

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Speaker 2: issues as opposed to just a couple of politicians squabbling

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Speaker 2: on social media.

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Speaker 1: So what's Deborah been up to then.

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Speaker 2: Deborah Russell, She went on Nick Mills's Wellington Morning show

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Speaker 2: to say the following thing.

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Speaker 1: But the biggest set of crime in this country is

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Speaker 1: actually domestic violence and we haven't seen the national government

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Speaker 1: responding to that meaningfully. And in fact police have been

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Speaker 1: told not to attend domestic violence crimes because they're not

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Speaker 1: as important as some other crimes.

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Speaker 2: So police being told not to attend domestic violence crime.

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Speaker 2: As soon as I heard it, alarm bell started ringing

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Speaker 2: in my head, thinking that's probably not true. So I

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Speaker 2: followed up with the Police Minister, Mark Mitchell, and he

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Speaker 2: said the claim that police have been told not to

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Speaker 2: attend domestic of violence incidents is complete nonsense. It is

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Speaker 2: another deliberate attempt from the opposition to undermine our hard

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Speaker 2: working police officers and mislead the public. He goes on

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Speaker 2: to say that police are triaging differently in relation to

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Speaker 2: social issues that are more appropriate for a non police response. However,

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Speaker 2: there have been very clear that they are not transitioning

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Speaker 2: away from attending family violence events that require police response.

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Speaker 2: In fact, according to Mark Mitchell, police are attending seven

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Speaker 2: point seven percent more family violence events as a Priority

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Speaker 2: one emergency event than had they they had previously been

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Speaker 2: doing so. In response to this, we did get in

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Speaker 2: contact with Deborah Russell, who is that she's a former

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Speaker 2: minister for the Labor Party. For those that don't know,

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Speaker 2: she said family violence is one of the most common

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Speaker 2: forms of violent crime and often unreported, which is what

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Speaker 2: I meant to say, which is not exactly what she

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Speaker 2: said on the problem.

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Speaker 3: She did so, she didn't mean to say that police

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Speaker 3: had been told not to attend DV anymore.

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Speaker 2: No, she meant to say that family violence was one

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Speaker 2: of the most common forms of violent crime and is

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Speaker 2: often unreported, which you know, listen back to actually what

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Speaker 2: she said, So what she said she said. She was

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Speaker 2: meant to say family violence is one of the most

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Speaker 2: common forms of violent crime and is often unreported. Here's

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Speaker 2: what she said.

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Speaker 1: But the biggest set of crime in this country is

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Speaker 1: actually the miss violence and we haven't seen the national

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Speaker 1: government responding to that meaningfully and In fact, police have

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Speaker 1: been told not to achieved domestic violence crimes because they're

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Speaker 1: not as important as some other crimes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how she thought she meant to say

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Speaker 2: the other thing, but anyway, so.

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Speaker 1: The other thing.

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Speaker 3: Yet, Hey, Jason, what do you think of the policy

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Speaker 3: costing Unit's idea good or bad? Ah?

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Speaker 2: To be honest, it would have been gamed politically and

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Speaker 2: it would have been I mean, it sounds good in theory,

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Speaker 2: but it just sounds like at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: it would have just been a whole other level of

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Speaker 2: attacks that political parties would have had on this independent union,

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Speaker 2: despite the fact that it would have been independent. So

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Speaker 2: I think good. It was good in theory. I've always

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Speaker 2: thought that we need something like this like Australia has,

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Speaker 2: like other countries have, But I think it probably would

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Speaker 2: have become another political football. If I'm honest, I actually

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Speaker 2: agree with you on that. Jason, Thank you very much.

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