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Speaker 1: On the Huddle of Us this evening, Mike Monroe and

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Speaker 1: David Farrer, Hello you.

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Speaker 2: Too, good evening.

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Speaker 3: Did you like you?

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Speaker 1: I'm very well, Mike. Did you like the sound of

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Speaker 1: what you just heard from Neil.

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Speaker 2: Any children? Halfway through it? Well, he's a good mare.

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Speaker 2: Hold him.

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Speaker 1: He does seem like a good guy. He was basically

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Speaker 1: saying that the process is all done. This is district planning,

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Speaker 1: is all done by these unelected officials who take years

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Speaker 1: to do it, a cost millions of dollars, and by

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Speaker 1: the end of it, you're stuck with a plan no

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Speaker 1: one particularly likes, can't do anything about it. Too expensive.

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Speaker 1: So this is why you have to have the likes

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Speaker 1: of Chris Bishop coming over the top and change things.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, interesting you interesting you. I feel very heavy handed

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Speaker 2: what Bishop is actually doing, because this government has gone

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Speaker 2: on a lot in recent years about localism, about and

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Speaker 2: you're putting these big decisions back in the hands of

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Speaker 2: local communities and local councils. And this sends to you

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Speaker 2: freethe of counter to that.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I would agree with that, although I think in

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Speaker 1: this case I'm going to cut some slack on that

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Speaker 1: because I like what he's doing. What do you think,

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Speaker 1: David Well?

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Speaker 3: I think what the mayor says is right. They're lot

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Speaker 3: and theory decisions to live with local communities, but the

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Speaker 3: reality is they lie with a few town planning staff

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Speaker 3: who have great influence, and there's some price to do

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Speaker 3: in and override what the government's pot up as if

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Speaker 3: we can make the case that these decisions are really

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Speaker 3: hinder house prices, economic growth will consult and we'll talk

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Speaker 3: to council, but we ultimately can override it. And you know,

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Speaker 3: if people locally don't like it, there's local impasion, might

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Speaker 3: not re elected, there's party vote to worry about. So

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Speaker 3: I think it's okay because the reality just is that

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Speaker 3: the planning restrictions we have in New Zealand that have

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Speaker 3: been terrible. There's no either word for us. There's a

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Speaker 3: reason our house price is the biggest rising over the

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Speaker 3: last fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: The wow yep, I think you make a good point

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Speaker 1: there now, Mike on the census, are you going to

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Speaker 1: miss it?

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, I can fondly remember you know the old

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Speaker 2: days went sent the staff came door to door, and

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Speaker 2: mind you, that's all well nigh and possible now, So

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Speaker 2: it's with dangerous dogs roaming our pitchs and apartment.

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Speaker 3: Blocks or whatever and millions of people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, we keep sort of going back

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Speaker 2: and forth on this. So we tried this of electronic

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Speaker 2: approach in two thousand and was it eighteen or nineteen anyway,

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Speaker 2: it was a complete disaster and the boss had to

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Speaker 2: get sacked though oak Fender recall. Then we went back

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Speaker 2: to Then we went back to the dear old paper

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Speaker 2: since in twenty three and here we go changing again.

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Speaker 2: We just sort of need to sort of work out,

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Speaker 2: you know, what's the best way forward here the business

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Speaker 2: it's gone.

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Speaker 1: It's gone. You can't go it's gone, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can uncancel it, but I doubt it very much.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's what we've decided. Scrap the whole thing good.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but it sounds it sounds like the Brits

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Speaker 2: that went down this path and then they changed their

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Speaker 2: mind and they came back to more judicial approach. So know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, how hard is it in this day and

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Speaker 2: age to work out what's going to work best. We've

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Speaker 2: got this big issues of declining trust in government and

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Speaker 2: high in the rates. So the sensors are not working

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Speaker 2: well in the way. So I would have thought that,

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Speaker 2: you know, smart of minds of mind would have been

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Speaker 2: applying themselves as us for some time. We need this

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Speaker 2: data and we need to get a sort of out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, David, I mean the thing about it is, I

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Speaker 1: think the census clearly wasn't working, But nor is really

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Speaker 1: information sharing between government departments, is it. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to kind of end up with a bit of a

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Speaker 1: patchy thing either way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I'm a bit angry over that. The decision

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Speaker 3: was probably necessary because the official advice was we're paying

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Speaker 3: more and more money every five years to get less

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Speaker 3: would we say it should not cost four hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollars in appolsed? That is a sense The census is

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Speaker 3: a big pole. There's around forty fifty question, but we

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Speaker 3: But what we have pulling infrastructure that deals with millions

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Speaker 3: of people all around the globe, and it really should

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Speaker 3: not cost four hundred years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the cost is one thing that I was

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Speaker 1: talking to Laura the German about this today, and she

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Speaker 1: said she doesn't like and she's smart, David, she is smart,

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Speaker 1: and she is a normal human being. She gets her vaccinations,

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Speaker 1: all that stuff listens to the mainstream media. She said

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Speaker 1: she doesn't want to have to answer the question about

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Speaker 1: what she gets paid in how big her houses. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: think the government needs to have that information.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing is what they're doing is it's a

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Speaker 3: bitcunning because they're the name. Well, we actually know what

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Speaker 3: you earn anyway, because I details us. So we'll just

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Speaker 3: use that data from IRD two to work it out anyway.

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Speaker 3: But I think you do lose a bit of trust

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Speaker 3: when the government's just saying here is the official dara

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Speaker 3: based on secret data bases, rather than being able to

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Speaker 3: say we went down and knocked on every door and

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Speaker 3: emailed every person.

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Speaker 1: And now, David, no, no, that's I think you know

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Speaker 1: you're overthinking this. I mean, we know the government knows

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Speaker 1: how much we're getting paid, so that's not a surprise

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Speaker 3: Not on the payment stuff, but there is going to

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Speaker 3: be relying on the administrate of data is not going

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Speaker 3: to be quite as good. And what's going to be

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Speaker 3: interesting is the your census data to set the electoral boundaries. Now,

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Speaker 3: if there's not going to be a census, how are

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Speaker 3: they no be set? Will just be on whatever the

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Speaker 3: steps New Zone un says as the population at any

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Speaker 3: point at the time. So there's going to be some

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Speaker 3: big ramifications for them.

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Speaker 1: Yep, they make a very good point. Okay, we'll take

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Speaker 1: a break with you guys. Come back shortly. You're back

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Speaker 1: with Mike Monroe and David Farrer. Mike, see that decision

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Speaker 1: that David Seymore has taken today to basically make melatonin

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Speaker 1: available over the counter. What do you make of that?

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Speaker 2: Well, as somebody who's suffers from burd of and somnia,

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Speaker 2: all power to us, am I say, Now, Look, I

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Speaker 2: think it's a good idea. I mean, I mean jet

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Speaker 2: bag and in somnia are very irritating conditions. This one's

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Speaker 2: clearly been to have pulled over by the experts. It's

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Speaker 2: just not David Seymour coming up with a bright idea

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. Is that there's been

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Speaker 2: a lot of discussion about this for some time, and

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Speaker 2: you know, given the numbers of people who who require

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Speaker 2: these sorts of medications just to get through their daily lives. Look,

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Speaker 2: I'm quite comfortable with it. Yeah, it's you know, it's

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Speaker 2: been it's been in the making for a while, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's about time that it arrived.

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Speaker 1: David. I tell you what surprises me about this is

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Speaker 1: how long we put up with this kind of nonsense.

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Speaker 1: The US you can buy it over the counter. Australia

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Speaker 1: you can buy it over the counter. We fly there,

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Speaker 1: we buy it over the counter there, and then we

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Speaker 1: come home and we just think it's fine. Can't do

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Speaker 1: it in New Zealand. Isn't that remarkable?

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Speaker 3: It reminds me of the nineteen seventies when you had

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Speaker 3: to get a prescription to get margarine. But it was okay,

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Speaker 3: but but you had to prove you had the need

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Speaker 3: for margarine to get look malotone, so many parents have

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Speaker 3: they've got kids who might be ADHD on the spectrum,

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Speaker 3: don't settle as a lifesaver. Well, I seen ya, savor anyway,

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Speaker 3: and you might know about about not having sleep with

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Speaker 3: so difficult that you've had to go through the prescription

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Speaker 3: route for it rather than you know what they've gotten

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Speaker 3: in the US.

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Speaker 1: So yes, well over, And also is there something and

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Speaker 1: what is up with us, David, that we always that

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Speaker 1: we do this kind of stuff that we make you

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Speaker 1: get a prescription for margarine that we make you you

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Speaker 1: have to jump through hoops from melatonin. We are we

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Speaker 1: just know people.

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Speaker 3: We're polite, waitin people, you will be of The key

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Speaker 3: reculture is that we took just the process you go through,

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Speaker 3: et ceter And it takes a few individuals who makes

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Speaker 3: something and a cause to change that.

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Speaker 1: I think we love a rule, mic, I think we

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Speaker 1: like to complain about it, But we love a rule,

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Speaker 1: don't we.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do in banning cow bells at rugby stadiums.

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Speaker 1: And now how do you feel about it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's I think it's petty. Actually, look,

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Speaker 2: I haven't been too games in Hamilton that I watch

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Speaker 2: games on the television and I get irritated by the

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Speaker 2: cow bells too. But hey, look it's all about you

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Speaker 2: know that particular support, dased you gene up their team

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Speaker 2: and showing they're there and making a bit of noise

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Speaker 2: and as long as it goes on forever. They do

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Speaker 2: it at the start of the game, they do it

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Speaker 2: when their team's on the attack or maybe win. A

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Speaker 2: trial is called and I think that, you know, we

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Speaker 2: just need to have a bit of atmosphere at these

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Speaker 2: stadiums because we do have a very button down approach

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Speaker 2: at stadiums. It gets a bit defecation, Like you know,

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs. The Chiefs are the guests down there on

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Speaker 2: Saturday night and it doesn't make them feel very welcome.

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Speaker 2: It's not putting this band in place if we get here.

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of monarchy. Tongue is a David.

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Speaker 3: It is mestic what they have done trying to justify, Oh,

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Speaker 3: this stadium is a bet of a small crown. Has

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Speaker 3: he ever actually been Like, let's ask acc how many

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Speaker 3: people have reported injuries due to someone waving a cowbirl

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Speaker 3: at a rugby game. It's obviously done just because they

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Speaker 3: don't want the other team to get this a moral

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Speaker 3: boost from it. You know, I remember go old days

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Speaker 3: when you know the Crusaders actually had the horses charging

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Speaker 3: a So let's bend that too. You know, trust people,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you bring a cowbell, don't boonk us

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Speaker 3: into your neighbor. Otherwise, go for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, love a rule. We love a rule, guys. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Mike Monroe, Davi Ferra, awhard of this Evening.

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