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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one to twelve on news Talks EDB. If you

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Speaker 2: missed it, our feature interview last week Saturday Morning last

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Speaker 2: week was US author Jody Picoe, who is an amazing

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Speaker 2: successful writer, like absolutely top of the pops when it

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Speaker 2: comes to the New York Times bestseller list, all of

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Speaker 2: that great stuff. I love that interview. If you haven't

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Speaker 2: listened to it, it is up on the news talks

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Speaker 2: HEB website right now. Put it on our Facebook page

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Speaker 2: as well so you can go and listen there. She

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Speaker 2: was just just super open, super interesting and engaged. And

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Speaker 2: now our book reviewer Catherine Rains has gone and read

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Speaker 2: Jodi Picoe's latest work, by any other name, Calder Catherine,

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Speaker 2: good morning check, So tell us about it.

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Speaker 3: So this starts with a dual timeline narrative, So it's

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Speaker 3: set both in fifteen eighty one and in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: and it's told from two different writers' perspectives, and they've

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Speaker 3: got a lot in common. And even though they've lived

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Speaker 3: five centuries apart, so in twenty twenty, there's successful not well,

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Speaker 3: she's actually an unsuccessful playwright, and she finds out and

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Speaker 3: her woman her name's Milinda, and she finds out just

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Speaker 3: how tough being a playwright is when her college play

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Speaker 3: is critiqued to absolute smotherings by our reviewer. And so

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Speaker 3: we're a decade on and she still doesn't know where

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Speaker 3: she wants to be in life, but she found this

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Speaker 3: inspiration to write a new script based on her sixteenth

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Speaker 3: century ancestor, a woman called Amelia Bassano, and she was

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Speaker 3: England's first published poet. And then by chance, she decides

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Speaker 3: to submit her play, and her roommate Andre encourages to

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Speaker 3: do so, and after they have a little bit too

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Speaker 3: much to drink, they submit her play under a male

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Speaker 3: name of Mal and she turns out to win this contest,

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Speaker 3: and then her path recrosses with a critic that she had,

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Speaker 3: a guy called Jasper who just broke her enthusiasm for writing,

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Speaker 3: and a judgmental producer, and Andre, her flatmate, happens to

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Speaker 3: be a gay black man, but he's created because they

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Speaker 3: think it's him under this perfect play about a white

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Speaker 3: woman's story. And mel can't find a convenient moment to

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Speaker 3: come clean about what she's done and how she submitted

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Speaker 3: her play and she finds that it's slipping away. And

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Speaker 3: the other storyline is based on the real life of

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Speaker 3: Amelia Vassano and she's Italian, she's musically talented, but she's

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Speaker 3: forced to become the mistress of Lord Chamberlain, who oversees

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Speaker 3: theater production in England, and he she has lots of

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Speaker 3: text with Amelia to get her opinions and leads her

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Speaker 3: to write her own play to be performed. But to

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Speaker 3: achieve this she needed to compromise, and she makes an

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Speaker 3: agreement with a young actor, a guy, quite well known

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Speaker 3: guy called William Shakespeare, to act as the playwright of

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Speaker 3: her work, and she thinks that this is a small

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Speaker 3: price to pay to see her play reach audiences. So

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Speaker 3: Jodie managed to combine the historical and the contemporary with

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Speaker 3: this duel tail timeline, and she really explores William Shakespeare's

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Speaker 3: legacy a lot, so how it was possible for him

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Speaker 3: to write over thirty plays while he's a full time

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Speaker 3: actor and producer, and did he actually buy work from

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Speaker 3: others and could he have been part of a group,

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Speaker 3: And it's really opens your mind and lots of different possibilities,

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Speaker 3: and he writes a lot at the end of the

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Speaker 3: book about how things like this could be possible, and

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Speaker 3: it really makes you think and when you look at

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Speaker 3: his life, and particularly if you've studied it, it's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Aside from that, the story is just a really good

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Speaker 3: story and these timelines and about you know, finding your place.

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Speaker 2: In life, which is the Jodi bo thing, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it absolutely is cool. That sounds great. So by any

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Speaker 2: other name, by Jodie Bicab. You've also read Tiger Tiger

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Speaker 2: by James Patterson.

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Speaker 3: So this isn't an inside look at Tiger Woods written

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Speaker 3: by a lot of people who know him well, because

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Speaker 3: James Patterson isn't an insider. He's never attended any Tiger

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Speaker 3: Woods press conferences and he's never spoken to him one

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Speaker 3: to one, although to be fair, very few people actually

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Speaker 3: had that are reviewers or biographers. But what he is

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Speaker 3: is he's a great storyteller, and he's written over four

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Speaker 3: hundred books themselves, and he loves playing golf and he

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Speaker 3: has since his high school days. And so what he's

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Speaker 3: done is he's flowing Tiger story right from when he

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Speaker 3: appears in a local news program in Los Angeles in

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Speaker 3: September ninety seventy eight at the age of two when

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Speaker 3: he's featured on national television pushing golf demonstration. And you know,

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Speaker 3: he was nicknamed Tiger very early on, and he watched

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Speaker 3: sport and all of that sort of stuff and golf

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Speaker 3: and apparently he hit his first golf ball when he

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Speaker 3: was ten months old, and you know, that's his It's unbelievable,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. And that was, as we all know, his destiny.

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Speaker 3: And he set national records and championships. And he follows

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Speaker 3: that chronological journey through Woods' life and the role of

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Speaker 3: his parents, particularly his father and also his mother, and

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Speaker 3: you know, his tournament life and the things that he

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Speaker 3: faced about his racial bias and restrictions and regulations at

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Speaker 3: venues where he couldn't compete or does compete, but they

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Speaker 3: didn't terribly happy about it, you know. And then he

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Speaker 3: talks about his personal life and his marriage and a

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Speaker 3: collapse of that, and his private life and the affairs

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Speaker 3: and their drug abuse and all his injuries and all

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Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. And I think if you're a

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Speaker 3: massive golfing fan, you probably know all of this, and

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Speaker 3: you know, it's stuff that we probably all know that's

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Speaker 3: been talked about in the media. But what he does

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Speaker 3: is he follows it in a really well tailed storyline

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Speaker 3: and makes it easier for I think that armchair golf

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Speaker 3: enthusiasts to follow along, and you know about his comebacks

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Speaker 3: and his contributions and where he is now and leaving

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Speaker 3: Nike and doing his own clothing label, and it talks

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Speaker 3: about his son, Charlie's team and the state high school

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Speaker 3: championships and you know his vice chairman now as he

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Speaker 3: is of PGA Tour Enterprises, and you know, there's lots

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Speaker 3: of parts of that story retold the and has great

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Speaker 3: comeback and following, you know, following along, and it's just, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a really nice way of looking at Tiger Woods.

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Speaker 3: The story.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a compelling and comprehensive read. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So that's Tiger Tiger by James Patterson. The first book,

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Speaker 2: of course, is By Any Other Name by Jody Picot.

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