1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Now mark the MTA. We had on earlier on the 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Motor Trade Association. They've got a ten point plan today 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: there's part too many robberies at service stations and far 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: too many drives offs, etc. And they have you received 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: the ten point plan? Do you know anything about the 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: ten point plan? 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: No, Look, my office might have received it. I haven't 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: read it yet, but I will have a look at 9 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: that look at the end of the day. Matt Turney, 10 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: who leads up our retail crime unit, does an outstanding job. 11 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: He is working closely with the MTA. With the MTA, 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: I will be meeting with them. We are planning and meeting. 13 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: I know for a fact that when we spike in 14 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: the in the robberies that the police swarm staff into 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 2: high visible patrols keep an eye on it. We've sort 16 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: of suggested Z Energy have gone to pay at the pump, 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: which has been very effective in stopping the drive offs 18 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: because obviously the stolen cars the people that come into 19 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: the drive offs. So there is a lot of work 20 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: going on in that space. Without a doubt, I. 21 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: Don't know why everyone just doesn't do pay at the pump. Now, 22 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: Ginny as former justiceman, so you may know this because 23 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: one of the tea points that they want is that 24 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: there's no discount if you have and this is the 25 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: new law of the government's bringing in an I think 26 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: there's no discount if you've boasted about the crime on 27 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: social media. Do you do you know if that's ever 28 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: been part of anything or could you not get a 29 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: discount specifically because of that sort of behavior. 30 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: We had it as a policy for an aggravating factory 31 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: if it was posted to social media. But that's for 32 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 3: you can put that in the legislation. But at the 33 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: end of the date's the judge you determined how much 34 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: of a factor that played in the new sending and 35 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 3: whether it deserves excessive sentence. 36 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: And would that be part of your new law? Mark, 37 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: do you know in that sense the minimum discount? What 38 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: was it doing? No more than forty percent or whatever 39 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: it is? 40 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: So which we're dealing with the sentencing piece around exectly 41 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: that is that every other media we're still reading the 42 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: discounts of seventy five up to sort of ninety percent. 43 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: So we kept in the discounts of forty percent, and 44 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: we think that what that's going to do, in fact, 45 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: if the judges apply it. They should do, because we 46 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: fasked where the lawmakers, then that's going to fix the 47 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: problem around the whole. All of us is a country 48 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: feeling that currently the consequences aren't mentioned, the serious, the 49 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: offense offending. 50 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: What's your vibe, Jenny on the house is brownly trying 51 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: to tone this place down? Has it got a bit 52 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: hot lately? 53 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: Look, it's a difficult situation that the House is in 54 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: right now, but it definitely seems flight. I would say 55 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 3: people are a lot that are quieter and general, and 56 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: I think he's trying to do the best he can. 57 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: Some people have sort of thought he let it go 58 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 3: a bit too far before he rained it in, and 59 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: that's the situation we're in now. But I've got to 60 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 3: give him credit. You know, he's making a good sort 61 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: of first act, trying to brain things back, and it 62 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: seems to be working a bit better this way. 63 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: What's your assessment of it, mate? 64 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 4: Oh? 65 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: I think Jurius a very good speaker. I think that 66 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: he was very clear you sir in the house. But 67 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 2: you know, the reality of it is is that it's 68 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: said that he's got to make that sort of individual 69 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: all adults we should know how to treat each other 70 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: words respect. 71 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: I think it was pretty outrageous. It was pretty outrageous. 72 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: What act you know? Act Basically, you know you've got 73 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: someone who's going to be the deep puty, Prime Minister 74 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: David Seymour openly defying the speaker. And what was really 75 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: interesting is usually it's the Leader of the House, which 76 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 3: would be Chris Bushop who would defend and did a 77 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 3: stuck up for the speaker, and that didn't happen. So 78 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: you had, you know, a Seymour standing up, wearing his pen, 79 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 3: refusing to take it off again, essentially kind of shutting 80 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: down question time and then the government not doing anything 81 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 3: to support the speaker. So that's the most unusual thing 82 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: that happened last week. 83 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: Isn't it broader than that? Though, Jinny, I mean, I 84 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: take your point, I get it, but that's sort of 85 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: Beltway as opposed to some of the treatments. I mean, 86 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: watching Karen Chua in tears because she's been bullied is 87 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: just completely unacceptable. 88 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: Saying this for months aentually I've watched the treatment that's 89 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: been handed out to Karen Schaw and it has been 90 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: bullying and she has been targeted and uh and that's 91 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: got to stop. I think that all of us in 92 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: the House should take a stand against any type of bully. 93 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: What do you say, Jenny, Well, it's it's a difficult 94 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: area because she still needs to be held accountable for 95 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 3: decisions being made by the government at all. Well, it's 96 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: a difficult area because she still needs to be hown 97 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: accountable for some of the decisions he's making. And it 98 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: was kind of I mean, I have questions around David 99 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 3: Seymour's decision making that when there was a decision from 100 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: Select Committee around law a Trask at Committee, he sent 101 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 3: kring Shaw down to the press gallery to talk to 102 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 3: them regarding that issue. You know, if that was me, 103 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: and if that was my staff, my person and my 104 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: corpus doing that, I wouldn't put the person who's already 105 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: under pressure and distress into a situation that was going 106 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: to coudn't cause them further distress. So, yes, it is 107 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: a difficult situation. But I have some real questions around 108 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: the way that David Seymour You're into position where she 109 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 3: was going to be under even more pressure. 110 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: So it's an interesting thing. Mark and Jenny, I think 111 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: articulates it well because I'm looking at the house, say 112 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: just yesterday, sure Simmons and Costello have been targets from 113 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: the opposition, and you could argue because it's a robust environment. 114 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: Rightly so, because they've got some questions to answer. So 115 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: what's the line between holding people to account and bullying them? 116 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: The line is getting personal and that's what's been happening. 117 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: And you must hold ministers to account, that's what Parliament 118 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: is for. But that is Karen Chaw's workplace. And I 119 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: think it's a ridiculous premise for Ginny Anderson to come 120 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: on the show and say that David Seymour is irresponsible 121 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: to allow Karen Chaw to go into her workplace. What's 122 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: irresponsible as Ginny now I see it's. 123 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: Center into the press gallery to answer question. He's center 124 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: into the press gallery when. 125 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: Well, that's her workplace. That it's our job to fund 126 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: up to the media. That's our workplace. So what you're 127 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: saying is removed the victim and not deal with the abuser. 128 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: So let's all of us just be really clear that 129 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: you can hold ministers to account, Jinny without getting personal 130 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: and say. 131 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: Marked it's really important to note that no one from 132 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: outside of how ever, they need personal comments around her. 133 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: There has been some comments made. 134 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: I've heard them in absolutely ridiculous. 135 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: Mark, that is not true. You've sat there yesterday, you 136 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 3: were sitting nextiting there. But there has been no personal 137 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: comments from caring Jaw because we have all discussed that 138 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: and we've made a clear decision as a caucus not 139 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: to do that because that's not what we believe in. 140 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: Can I just finish this by saying, my entire career 141 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: in the house, I'm proud of the fact that I 142 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: have never been personal and I've never made a personal 143 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: comment by the tame themquently. 144 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: That absolute rubbers. You say things under your breath in 145 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: the house frequently to me that are personal and are attacks. 146 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: That that's an absolute lie. So give us one. Let's 147 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: give you and say you're. 148 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: Hope, you're hopeless, your note that your job, you don't 149 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: know what you're doing. You would say personal things about 150 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 3: me when I'm asking you, when I'm asking questions in 151 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: the house, you personal remarks about me. 152 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: You don't go down a rabbit hole here. Having said, 153 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: do you as calling somebody hopeless a personal attack? 154 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: Jenny? 155 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: I think it is if you're talking about your personal 156 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: character and talking about what they do. 157 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: And that's what you need to be focused on. 158 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: What you need to be focused on. 159 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: Is not they're doing. 160 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: If there's been an outcome in their job, or there's 161 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: been a they've promised to deliver something and they've failed 162 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: to deliver something, that's okay. But if you're going into 163 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: personal character assassination, that's different. 164 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: I'd invite you to go back and pull the tape 165 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: necessary question time and listen to where the heckling was 166 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: coming from. And Ginny is right. I did make a 167 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: comment in the house. So my comment was this, you 168 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: were not across your brief That was my comment in 169 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: the house yesterday. Come so you're going to you can. 170 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: You know deep? 171 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: Yet? 172 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 5: You know. 173 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: I was sitting there. Get very story. 174 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: Just let me play you. We just play a couple 175 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: of clips here. So there's these are both green members. 176 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: Let's listen. Listen to these two. 177 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 5: Now, some of these gangs are doing quite positive things 178 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 5: within our community, and so I do worry about this 179 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 5: section whereby it will prohibit their ability to congregate. 180 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: And the second one. 181 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 4: I want you to ask yourself, would you rather be 182 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 4: walking down a dark alley and see a patch member 183 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 4: or a police officer. For many people in New Zealand 184 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 4: they would feel safer alone with a patch member than 185 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: the police. 186 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: So that's Lyndon and Carter Ginny. Do you relish the 187 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: prospect of hanging out with those sort of people in government? 188 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: No, I don't. 189 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: Support those those statements and we don't agree with those statements. 190 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 3: But you know, a lengthy debate on that bell, and 191 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: we raised some really serious issues about what that bell does. 192 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 3: So we are concerned that it's cosmetic, that it doesn't 193 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: attack the root causes of crime, like the manufacture of mething, 194 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: petamine and international crime networks. All it does is take 195 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 3: pictures off and that looks okay on the tally. That 196 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: looks great, but it doesn't address organized crime. 197 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 4: And the. 198 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 2: Gegapologists listen to the gapologists. I mean, the greeds have 199 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: always the greeds have always been governed farthers for with labor. 200 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: This is they are aligning with the gangs. They are 201 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: supporting the gags. And we've been very clear the gains 202 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: that there's there's enormous intergenerational harm that's created, there's there's 203 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: they are responsible for a significant amount of violence in 204 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 2: our communities. That's the pedeling of drugs and we please. 205 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: West of us get that. But that's that's my question 206 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: to do. How do you distance yourself from that level 207 00:09:59,440 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: of it is? 208 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: Well, we don't agree with that position at all. We 209 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: make get incredibly clear. Yes, we have root in governments 210 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: of Greens before, but we don't agree on everything, and 211 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 3: that's one of those things we don't agree on. We 212 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: take a strong position that games are incredibly harmful, but 213 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: we disagree with Mark's approach that just taking their jackets 214 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: off them makes a lock of difference. 215 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: Nice to see you both. 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