WEBVTT - The Panel with Mark Crysell and Jo McCarroll 0:00:05.801 --> 0:00:09.441 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks 0:00:09.521 --> 0:00:14.481 EDB debating all the issues and more. It's the panel 0:00:14.641 --> 0:00:17.161 on the Weekend Collective on News Talks dB. 0:00:28.721 --> 0:00:29.641 The man with. 0:00:37.881 --> 0:00:41.041 The Man you sign. 0:00:46.401 --> 0:00:51.761 Not man, as the song says, come and get your love. 0:00:52.161 --> 0:00:54.241 This is the Weekend Collective. I'm Tion Beeverage. Welcome to 0:00:54.361 --> 0:00:57.041 the show at seven minutes past three on the what 0:00:57.201 --> 0:00:59.841 is it the fifteenth journe already looking forward to your 0:00:59.841 --> 0:01:02.161 company over the next three hours. Up in a moment, 0:01:02.241 --> 0:01:05.841 I will be introducing my wonderful panelist. I always love 0:01:05.921 --> 0:01:07.601 introducing our panelists. I don't know why it is, but 0:01:07.721 --> 0:01:10.281 it is always always a thrill just to work with 0:01:10.361 --> 0:01:13.561 such quality people. The one Roof radio show is at 0:01:13.601 --> 0:01:16.241 four o'clock and we're going to be having a chat about, well, 0:01:16.281 --> 0:01:18.201 there's this bit of a slump going on that some 0:01:18.281 --> 0:01:20.521 people well nobody saw it coming. People pretend they did, 0:01:20.601 --> 0:01:23.041 but nobody really makes predictions bad. We're a bit of 0:01:23.041 --> 0:01:25.561 a slump. Who's to blame? And also a holiday homes 0:01:25.641 --> 0:01:29.041 a risky investment, among other things. And that will be 0:01:29.041 --> 0:01:32.481 at four o'clock with our guest who's joining us as 0:01:32.641 --> 0:01:38.241 Helen O'Sullivan from Velocity, and then we have the parents Squad, 0:01:38.281 --> 0:01:41.201 where Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being joins us. We're 0:01:41.201 --> 0:01:44.681 going to have a chat about stress and anxiety and 0:01:45.361 --> 0:01:47.001 is it just part of growing up as a child 0:01:47.161 --> 0:01:49.161 and how much do parents need to worry about it 0:01:49.161 --> 0:01:52.161 if your child is anxious? All that and more will 0:01:52.201 --> 0:01:53.761 be taking your calls between foreign z X and O 0:01:53.801 --> 0:01:55.961 eight hundred and eight, ten and eighty Welcome to Texture 0:01:56.001 --> 0:01:59.561 feedback anytime, but right now it is time to introduce 0:01:59.641 --> 0:02:02.921 my panelists. By the way, we'll also be looking with 0:02:03.001 --> 0:02:07.041 our sports Sports Connection just before the end of the 0:02:07.081 --> 0:02:09.081 show at the semi finals with the Hurricanes and Chiefs. 0:02:09.961 --> 0:02:12.721 But anyway, it's time to introduce my panelists. And the 0:02:12.841 --> 0:02:16.321 first one he is. He is the Silver Fox himself. 0:02:16.761 --> 0:02:18.281 He's a man of many hats. As you know, he's 0:02:18.281 --> 0:02:20.961 been a journalist, a career of fencer. I wanted to 0:02:21.001 --> 0:02:22.681 throw in there that had been an erotic dancer, but 0:02:22.721 --> 0:02:25.001 I couldn't find anything to back it up. But quite frankly, 0:02:25.041 --> 0:02:28.041 there's nothing that he can't do. And it's Mark Kreisel. 0:02:28.081 --> 0:02:29.121 Good day, Mark, how are you going? 0:02:29.481 --> 0:02:34.841 We'll just push I'm more of a neurotic dancer. 0:02:36.281 --> 0:02:40.761 Okay, well close just so quickly. It sounds exciting anyway. 0:02:40.881 --> 0:02:45.201 And my next panelist is editor of the New Zealand's 0:02:45.481 --> 0:02:49.361 most well known gardening magazine, New Zealand Gardener. And when 0:02:49.441 --> 0:02:50.761 she's not with us, you can catch her in a 0:02:50.801 --> 0:02:53.561 happy place pulling out weeds. And it's Joe McCarroll. High Joe. 0:02:54.041 --> 0:02:56.441 In my happiest place, there would be no weeds. 0:02:57.321 --> 0:02:57.961 That's a good point. 0:02:58.121 --> 0:03:00.361 It would be done. All the weeding would be done. 0:03:00.841 --> 0:03:03.521 Now, do you do you have any fancy devices? 0:03:03.521 --> 0:03:07.041 I saw at the knee washy right hand knee washe 0:03:07.081 --> 0:03:07.881 because I'm right handed? 0:03:08.281 --> 0:03:08.361 Nee? 0:03:08.481 --> 0:03:11.521 What knee washy little Japanese weading tool recommend If you 0:03:11.561 --> 0:03:12.001 haven't got. 0:03:11.921 --> 0:03:13.681 One, you just stick it and twist it and pull 0:03:13.721 --> 0:03:14.001 it out. 0:03:14.161 --> 0:03:16.561 It's like that sort of yeah, but it's sort is 0:03:16.601 --> 0:03:18.681 you get under get the whole root ball out of 0:03:18.761 --> 0:03:19.201 the weeds. 0:03:19.441 --> 0:03:21.361 Okay, yeah, because I've had a few things throw up 0:03:21.401 --> 0:03:23.641 in my in my Twitter feed or something, this advert 0:03:23.721 --> 0:03:25.641 for this stick your stick in the ground and it 0:03:25.721 --> 0:03:28.601 seems to pull up these weeds with very large roots. Anyway, 0:03:28.601 --> 0:03:32.361 that's them commercial mark, you pass on any of that. 0:03:33.081 --> 0:03:35.361 I'm just riding as fast as furiously as I can. 0:03:35.921 --> 0:03:37.801 You're the man you seem to be going on. 0:03:38.161 --> 0:03:40.361 Of course, you know, we know what's we have a 0:03:40.401 --> 0:03:42.081 rough idea what's going on at tv INS or do 0:03:42.161 --> 0:03:43.521 we have a rough idea what's going on to T 0:03:43.641 --> 0:03:46.441 means yet? But you I guess at some stage at 0:03:46.521 --> 0:03:49.081 least you can take that bucket list of what it's 0:03:49.161 --> 0:03:51.921 like to be on gardening leave a life goal for 0:03:52.041 --> 0:03:53.201 me being on gardening leave. 0:03:53.521 --> 0:03:53.801 Do you know? 0:03:54.121 --> 0:03:57.321 Actually interesting backstory. Before I started editing New Zealand Gardener, 0:03:57.401 --> 0:04:01.921 I was put on Gardening Leaf. Why because another magazine? Yeah, 0:04:02.001 --> 0:04:04.561 and so when I resigned from that mag they said 0:04:04.601 --> 0:04:05.921 you don't have to okay you noticed, you can go 0:04:05.961 --> 0:04:07.481 on gardening leave and I thought, well that's good because 0:04:07.481 --> 0:04:08.841 I'm going to edit New Zealand Gardener. 0:04:09.241 --> 0:04:14.001 Wow three months how appropriate? Hey, so what is going on? 0:04:14.801 --> 0:04:15.961 So what happened is. 0:04:17.601 --> 0:04:19.001 I mean it's out in the public now. I guess 0:04:19.041 --> 0:04:22.521 they can talk about it. That there was a TV 0:04:22.601 --> 0:04:25.081 and Z failed to comply with a clause in our collective, 0:04:25.121 --> 0:04:27.881 which meant that they were meant to consult with us 0:04:28.521 --> 0:04:31.241 as we went through our you know, the process of 0:04:31.281 --> 0:04:34.961 losing our jobs, and the Employment Relations Authority and the 0:04:35.001 --> 0:04:37.561 Employment Court found that that didn't happen, and they ordered 0:04:37.641 --> 0:04:40.401 TV and Z to comply, which meant we were no 0:04:40.481 --> 0:04:44.121 longer dismissed, which means we basically start all over again. 0:04:44.201 --> 0:04:47.401 So we're going through meetings and consulting on how we 0:04:47.521 --> 0:04:48.601 might be able to help the companies. 0:04:48.641 --> 0:04:50.481 Say, are you going to meetings or just going to 0:04:50.561 --> 0:04:52.921 your local going to meetings? 0:04:55.161 --> 0:04:57.241 Yeah, no, I'm doing the meetings. We're going through the 0:04:57.281 --> 0:05:01.321 whole process, and then that could go for a number 0:05:01.361 --> 0:05:02.081 of weeks, could go. 0:05:02.121 --> 0:05:04.081 For a very stressful time. But may I say, you 0:05:04.241 --> 0:05:08.041 are looking somehow, You're looking just relaxed. And he's looking good, 0:05:08.041 --> 0:05:11.601 doesn't need Joe. Yeah, and you're looking fantastic too. Oh 0:05:11.681 --> 0:05:14.601 what a good look your hairstyle. I mean, like it's 0:05:14.681 --> 0:05:18.401 only radio unfortunately, so these comics are wasted in the audience. Yeah, no, 0:05:18.801 --> 0:05:19.401 I feeling good. 0:05:19.521 --> 0:05:21.321 I mean it's a it's a weird place to be 0:05:21.441 --> 0:05:23.361 and it's a weird kind of limbo. And I really 0:05:23.641 --> 0:05:26.561 miss being a storyteller and telling stories. I have to 0:05:26.641 --> 0:05:30.401 say that that's a bit tough for me. But you know, 0:05:30.561 --> 0:05:33.721 we'll just go through the stage and see what comes next. Yep, 0:05:34.281 --> 0:05:36.721 you never know, never know what's around there, and just 0:05:36.841 --> 0:05:39.521 open up the text line. If anybody's got any jobs, yeah, 0:05:39.641 --> 0:05:41.401 text nineteen nine two. If you've got a job for 0:05:41.601 --> 0:05:45.121 Mark as actually career, yes, oh. 0:05:46.481 --> 0:05:53.641 Eurotic anything that ends in tick. Hey, look, let's get 0:05:53.681 --> 0:05:56.361 onto the let's get onto the topics for today. Now, 0:05:56.521 --> 0:05:59.481 all speed limit reductions introduced since twenty twenty on local 0:05:59.481 --> 0:06:03.001 streets and outside schools are likely to be scrapped or well, 0:06:03.001 --> 0:06:04.681 I think there's going to be a few changes. I 0:06:04.801 --> 0:06:06.921 wasn't this one that there might even be speeds of 0:06:06.921 --> 0:06:09.201 one hundred and twenty kilometers an hour introduced on roads 0:06:09.201 --> 0:06:13.441 of national significance. So anyway, what do you make of this? 0:06:14.481 --> 0:06:15.521 We'll go with you first, Mark. 0:06:16.001 --> 0:06:18.361 Yeah, I don't know, mate. I think the thing is 0:06:18.401 --> 0:06:21.641 at lower speeds means fewer people die. I mean, that's 0:06:21.681 --> 0:06:25.641 why they came in in the first place. I used 0:06:25.641 --> 0:06:28.721 to live in Germany and on the auto barns there 0:06:28.721 --> 0:06:31.281 are some stretches of water barn there is no speed limit. 0:06:31.521 --> 0:06:33.601 Now you can drive as fast as you like, which 0:06:33.641 --> 0:06:35.841 is amazing if you've got those amazing cars that they have, 0:06:36.401 --> 0:06:39.201 until you have an accident and then you pretty much die. 0:06:39.361 --> 0:06:41.521 So every time the speed limit goes up, more people 0:06:41.641 --> 0:06:42.441 die in accidents. 0:06:42.521 --> 0:06:46.321 So I think there's got to be a happy meeting, though, 0:06:46.361 --> 0:06:49.881 doesn't there because, for instance, who drives thirty kilometers an 0:06:49.881 --> 0:06:53.081 hour around Auckland, CBD unless the traffic is demanding that. 0:06:53.401 --> 0:06:56.761 I had a police officer pass me not flat lights flashing. 0:06:57.161 --> 0:06:59.361 I was going about forty probably and he was definitely 0:06:59.441 --> 0:07:01.441 doing fifty. I was like, these speed limits, some of 0:07:01.481 --> 0:07:03.361 them are they are nonsense, something they don't even think. 0:07:04.281 --> 0:07:05.481 I know. 0:07:05.801 --> 0:07:08.241 Around where I live, the speed limits were brought down, 0:07:08.361 --> 0:07:10.961 and I've got to say I'm really pro that because 0:07:11.001 --> 0:07:13.361 people used to use the street that we live on 0:07:13.521 --> 0:07:17.561 as a little you know, shortcut from one main street 0:07:17.601 --> 0:07:19.961 to another and come down it way too fast. And 0:07:20.041 --> 0:07:23.321 I've seen numerous times people have come a cropper, you 0:07:23.401 --> 0:07:23.801 know what. 0:07:23.881 --> 0:07:26.521 Speed were they've been doing that or they exceeding in 0:07:26.561 --> 0:07:27.761 the normal limit anyone. 0:07:27.841 --> 0:07:31.321 They would have been doing sort of sixty seventy along 0:07:31.361 --> 0:07:33.601 a little suburban street. And they've brought it down and 0:07:34.041 --> 0:07:36.361 now they go slower, and I'm quite pro. I mean, 0:07:36.401 --> 0:07:39.801 I'm not a fan of pointless speed limits that achieve nothing, 0:07:40.161 --> 0:07:42.601 but I don't understand how you can just increase the road. 0:07:42.881 --> 0:07:45.561 You can just increase the speed limit without changing the 0:07:45.641 --> 0:07:47.761 road in any way, and consider that. 0:07:48.361 --> 0:07:50.161 Is well, I mean it's putting it back to what 0:07:50.281 --> 0:07:52.921 it was before. So the road was if you've had 0:07:52.961 --> 0:07:55.841 a fifty K limit or one hundred K limit that 0:07:56.241 --> 0:07:58.841 and it's gone down it was one hundred k, you 0:07:58.881 --> 0:08:00.521 know what I mean. They haven't popped it up, except 0:08:00.561 --> 0:08:03.641 for obviously these new roads where like the expressways, where 0:08:03.641 --> 0:08:05.401 they think, well, actually this road's built for hundred and 0:08:05.401 --> 0:08:05.721 twenty K. 0:08:07.561 --> 0:08:11.241 If it's one hundred, and you know it's normally if 0:08:11.281 --> 0:08:12.881 it's one hundred, people go one hundred and ten. If 0:08:12.881 --> 0:08:15.121 it's fifty, they do sixty. I mean, that's just the 0:08:15.201 --> 0:08:17.721 reality of it, and people try, you know, take their 0:08:17.801 --> 0:08:18.321 chances there. 0:08:18.361 --> 0:08:19.721 I'm with Joe. Our street. 0:08:19.761 --> 0:08:22.361 We get people whipping down there at fifty k's, we've 0:08:22.401 --> 0:08:24.321 got kids walking across the street. We've got all that 0:08:24.441 --> 0:08:25.761 kind of thing drives me nuts. 0:08:26.121 --> 0:08:28.721 I mean, mid way, what's the limit on your road anyway? 0:08:28.921 --> 0:08:31.001 Will it be around thirty or forty? I would imagine 0:08:31.041 --> 0:08:33.281 it's a in an Auckland street. 0:08:34.001 --> 0:08:36.161 And it's only CBD. I think that's down to thirty. 0:08:36.201 --> 0:08:38.121 I think you probably find the limit is fifty. Probably. 0:08:38.241 --> 0:08:40.521 Yeah, well that's too fast. That is way too fast 0:08:40.561 --> 0:08:43.401 in our street. And also I see the ministers saying 0:08:43.561 --> 0:08:46.201 things like which I think is absolute nonsense. We'll ask 0:08:46.281 --> 0:08:49.161 the public if they think that's a reasonable speed. Well, 0:08:49.201 --> 0:08:52.081 that's just ridiculous. I mean, people want to go faster 0:08:52.201 --> 0:08:54.401 all the time. It doesn't you know, all New Zealanders 0:08:54.441 --> 0:08:55.521 think they're good drives. 0:08:55.641 --> 0:08:57.801 I don't know if it will might say public and 0:08:57.881 --> 0:08:59.321 you have a conservative approach to it. 0:09:00.601 --> 0:09:04.721 But not a speed little They're there for a good reason, yeah, 0:09:04.761 --> 0:09:06.881 but I'm not sure the engineering reason. 0:09:07.041 --> 0:09:09.401 Yeah, I think, well, the engineering of the roads. For instance, 0:09:09.441 --> 0:09:12.041 say okay, let's put the engineering of the some of 0:09:12.081 --> 0:09:13.521 those new roads is one hundred and twenty. 0:09:14.161 --> 0:09:15.481 Then we should be signed. 0:09:15.481 --> 0:09:16.921 But we should be okay with one hundred and twenty, 0:09:16.961 --> 0:09:17.321 then should we? 0:09:17.521 --> 0:09:19.281 Well, I think when you've got a road that is 0:09:19.521 --> 0:09:22.201 designed for a higher speed, I don't have a problem 0:09:22.241 --> 0:09:24.481 with the highest speed. I think if everyone could travel safely. 0:09:24.801 --> 0:09:27.121 But the speeds that you're saying, Tim, that we're going 0:09:27.241 --> 0:09:31.081 back to, they were just applied in the most random 0:09:31.241 --> 0:09:33.961 ad hoc fashion. Back in the day people were putting 0:09:33.961 --> 0:09:36.001 one hundred. Yeah, that looks about one hundred, you know, 0:09:36.201 --> 0:09:37.041 that looks about. 0:09:37.601 --> 0:09:39.961 I think don't know if they were totally phillo ste 0:09:40.881 --> 0:09:42.921 it was like all stayed highways were one hundred. 0:09:43.001 --> 0:09:45.761 And I think roads do not allow that. They do 0:09:45.921 --> 0:09:47.881 not allow you to travel at one hundred safely. And 0:09:48.001 --> 0:09:50.361 I also think, and I know people get so hot 0:09:50.441 --> 0:09:52.281 under the collar about not being able to drive as 0:09:52.361 --> 0:09:54.921 fast as they want the whole time. But I mean, 0:09:55.001 --> 0:09:57.081 if you go eighty or if you go one hundred, 0:09:57.521 --> 0:10:00.321 the difference it makes in your journey of most the 0:10:00.401 --> 0:10:03.081 average time of a journey, which is not more than 0:10:03.081 --> 0:10:05.081 an hour, I'd say it's. 0:10:05.601 --> 0:10:08.281 Much eighty to me feels pretty pedestrian. To be honest, 0:10:08.321 --> 0:10:09.761 I'm all in favor of it. I think I think 0:10:09.761 --> 0:10:11.401 you could see that now that I am. I mean, 0:10:11.481 --> 0:10:14.441 for instance, I mean, I agree, slow down outside schools, 0:10:14.481 --> 0:10:17.081 but when they say the speed limit outside of school 0:10:17.121 --> 0:10:19.121 at ten o'clock at night, there's got to be thirty 0:10:19.321 --> 0:10:21.601 kilometers an hour, it's sort of like, well, that does 0:10:21.921 --> 0:10:24.681 it just seems that there's room for a happy medium, 0:10:24.921 --> 0:10:26.841 and he wants to protect well yea, as I say, 0:10:26.961 --> 0:10:28.321 of course, you're not going to have it. You don't 0:10:28.601 --> 0:10:31.441 more people die if the speed limits are higher. Are 0:10:31.481 --> 0:10:34.201 you happy with that? Well, I think that life is 0:10:34.281 --> 0:10:36.321 risky anyway. If you want, you are happy. If you 0:10:36.361 --> 0:10:38.481 want to follow that argument, Mark, then everyone should drive 0:10:38.521 --> 0:10:41.001 fifty kilometers an hour on the open road. Good luck 0:10:41.281 --> 0:10:43.441 driving faster than that in Auckland anyway. No, no, no, 0:10:43.521 --> 0:10:45.121 But I mean if you want to take that argument, 0:10:45.161 --> 0:10:48.001 then you can argue for just repressing us. Also, whether 0:10:48.201 --> 0:10:50.001 we're trying to remove all the risk of life, I 0:10:50.121 --> 0:10:53.521 think that there is. We're ignoring the fact that one 0:10:53.561 --> 0:10:55.601 of the major causes of deaths on the road is 0:10:55.681 --> 0:10:59.361 drug driving, drink driving and getting known at speed and 0:10:59.521 --> 0:11:02.401 get off that bloody phone. I think if you want 0:11:02.441 --> 0:11:04.521 to say, let's find people a thousand bucks from being 0:11:04.521 --> 0:11:05.761 caught on their phone, I'm fine with that. 0:11:05.881 --> 0:11:08.561 Yeah, I'm fine with that too. But speed is definitely 0:11:08.641 --> 0:11:09.841 one of those factors as well. 0:11:10.321 --> 0:11:14.601 I think it's a combination of speed, road design out 0:11:14.641 --> 0:11:17.761 the old age of our fleet of cars. But also 0:11:17.881 --> 0:11:21.401 I would say New Zealanders are often incredibly aggressive drivers. 0:11:21.881 --> 0:11:24.041 That makes it more dangerous for everyone. 0:11:24.241 --> 0:11:26.641 Well, you could argue before we move on, you could 0:11:26.721 --> 0:11:30.641 argue that not that that having these having slightly overly 0:11:30.721 --> 0:11:33.961 conservative limits leads to frustration in its own way. Maybe 0:11:34.001 --> 0:11:38.361 I don't know. Look, look enforce the limits. Get on. 0:11:40.801 --> 0:11:42.721 I think when you get overtaken by someone on the 0:11:43.041 --> 0:11:47.281 on there on the inside, on one of your things, bicycle. 0:11:49.401 --> 0:11:51.521 I'd like to say I couldn't agree with you. More 0:11:51.561 --> 0:11:53.001 about the phone thing, I'd like to see the minute 0:11:53.041 --> 0:11:54.681 you call on your phone, your phone is confiscated. 0:11:54.801 --> 0:11:57.321 Yeah, your car is confiscated. 0:11:57.401 --> 0:12:00.041 Yes, make me prime minister now in New Zealand. 0:12:00.161 --> 0:12:04.241 Okay, Well, speaking of consequences for things, Maureen Pew the 0:12:04.641 --> 0:12:07.561 allegia assault during that anti mining protest in Tarcica. So 0:12:07.641 --> 0:12:09.721 she turned up for a community board meeting. It sounds 0:12:09.761 --> 0:12:11.401 like quite a benign sort of thing anyway, there are 0:12:11.401 --> 0:12:13.321 a lot of protesters there, so we've thrown this one 0:12:13.321 --> 0:12:17.921 as an extra bit. She was pushed by a man, 0:12:18.081 --> 0:12:21.241 physically accosted her, pushed a placard into her chest, and 0:12:22.681 --> 0:12:26.441 I guess the question is she was technically assaulted. It 0:12:26.561 --> 0:12:29.041 seems to me that with the posey Parker sort of thing, 0:12:29.121 --> 0:12:32.921 and we've seen it going back in time, dildo's being 0:12:32.961 --> 0:12:35.521 thrown mud and all that sort of stuff. I actually 0:12:35.641 --> 0:12:40.681 think that when it comes to public public meetings and politicians, 0:12:40.961 --> 0:12:43.561 I think that if you apply even a minor assault, 0:12:43.801 --> 0:12:47.481 charged them because I think that getting to the stage 0:12:47.601 --> 0:12:50.161 ye where people feel that there's no consequence. And we 0:12:50.281 --> 0:12:53.881 had a seventy year old one year old woman violently 0:12:53.881 --> 0:12:58.281 assaulted and he got discharged with that conviction. They should 0:12:58.281 --> 0:13:01.481 have charged this guy because more MP and anyone like 0:13:01.561 --> 0:13:05.281 her Green National whatever party, they should be able to 0:13:05.321 --> 0:13:08.881 attend meetings and not have dickheads making life unpleasant. 0:13:09.001 --> 0:13:11.361 And I actually think, I know a lot of people 0:13:11.401 --> 0:13:13.361 will say, oh, you know, alleged assault, you know, and 0:13:13.561 --> 0:13:15.601 I actually think that sounds really quite frightening. 0:13:16.441 --> 0:13:20.201 Would have you seen the video of it? No, I've 0:13:20.241 --> 0:13:23.161 only seen footage of it to her cut same thing. No, sorry, 0:13:23.161 --> 0:13:25.001 I mean sorry, no photos. 0:13:25.281 --> 0:13:27.481 Yes, so her car was surrounded by a whole lot 0:13:27.521 --> 0:13:30.041 of people, and I think she would have felt really 0:13:30.121 --> 0:13:35.681 threatened and frightened. There she's Intarctica, that's a Green stronghold anyways, 0:13:35.721 --> 0:13:37.201 she's outside of safety zone. 0:13:38.121 --> 0:13:39.561 So I think, yeah, definitely, I will. 0:13:40.281 --> 0:13:42.201 It's not a political issue. I think we are so 0:13:42.361 --> 0:13:45.081 lucky that our politicians can still come in front us 0:13:45.601 --> 0:13:48.241 and come to community meetings and meet directly with the public. 0:13:48.481 --> 0:13:51.841 That is an incredibly valuable thing. And I don't want 0:13:51.841 --> 0:13:54.801 to see us in a situation where they just stay 0:13:54.841 --> 0:13:57.801 in their office and you know, put up the odd 0:13:57.841 --> 0:14:01.441 Facebook live. We're losing something if that happens. I agree 0:14:01.441 --> 0:14:03.241 with you, Tim, I think this is something that should 0:14:03.241 --> 0:14:06.041 be taken incredibly seriously because of where it was happening. 0:14:06.081 --> 0:14:08.201 Actually, funny thing is, isn't it. I love that the 0:14:08.281 --> 0:14:09.881 reporting of it seemed to say it was pushed with 0:14:10.001 --> 0:14:12.401 a placardist I was just a bit of cardboard. Take 0:14:12.441 --> 0:14:15.801 that placard away, that man has placed his hands on 0:14:16.041 --> 0:14:19.361 her and pushed her, and I'm thinking, actually, funny thing 0:14:19.481 --> 0:14:22.441 is it's almost like the placard was made. It not 0:14:22.601 --> 0:14:25.241 so bad. I'm sorry. I think the police made a 0:14:25.281 --> 0:14:27.841 mistake charge and let the judge deal with it. Let 0:14:27.921 --> 0:14:29.321 the judge let him off. I guess. 0:14:30.921 --> 0:14:33.241 Take it as as seriously as it should be taken. 0:14:33.321 --> 0:14:33.881 Yeah, I think so. 0:14:34.241 --> 0:14:36.481 I think things have got have got out of hand 0:14:36.721 --> 0:14:38.761 quite a bit. You know after COVID there were the 0:14:38.841 --> 0:14:41.761 threats of course to the Prome Minister just into adourn 0:14:41.801 --> 0:14:44.561 at the time, James Shaw was punched in the face, 0:14:44.721 --> 0:14:46.081 literally punched in the face, just. 0:14:46.121 --> 0:14:49.801 Walking to work. And do we know what happened with that? 0:14:50.001 --> 0:14:50.281 I can't. 0:14:50.361 --> 0:14:53.361 Yeah, the guy was charged and got pretty sure he 0:14:53.441 --> 0:14:56.761 was convicted. I and then a wet bus ticket naughty 0:14:56.961 --> 0:14:58.801 to do it again? Yeah, but you know that was 0:14:58.961 --> 0:15:02.001 that was an actual literally in your face as sold. 0:15:02.161 --> 0:15:06.081 So I think the whole public discourse is getting angrier 0:15:06.161 --> 0:15:09.161 and angrier. People under stress, there's a recession on. People 0:15:09.241 --> 0:15:12.001 have feel poorer and are really struggling, and this is 0:15:12.321 --> 0:15:14.721 what you start to see when these things happen. Also, 0:15:14.761 --> 0:15:17.801 I think this government has changed so many things, and 0:15:17.881 --> 0:15:22.041 particularly people in a green area would feel particularly agreed. 0:15:22.081 --> 0:15:23.921 They always feel like they're fighting to save the will. 0:15:24.001 --> 0:15:26.281 I'm not saying it's okay. I'm not saying it's okay, 0:15:26.401 --> 0:15:28.641 but I'm just saying this is the environment. 0:15:28.801 --> 0:15:31.881 I would say it's an immensely stressful environment that people 0:15:31.921 --> 0:15:34.441 are operating in right now, but people have operated in 0:15:34.601 --> 0:15:37.481 far more stressful environments. That is not acceptable behavior. I 0:15:37.561 --> 0:15:40.401 think we are seeing a breakdown in simply a social contract. 0:15:40.881 --> 0:15:43.401 I was thinking that there's been so many things over 0:15:43.481 --> 0:15:46.041 the years. There's COVID and and then there's been the 0:15:46.241 --> 0:15:49.121 you know, the weather events, and now we're in a 0:15:49.241 --> 0:15:52.361 recession and people are losing their jobs. That these things 0:15:52.481 --> 0:15:55.241 just get layered on top of each other to a 0:15:55.281 --> 0:15:57.561 point where people are starting to break and we're starting 0:15:57.601 --> 0:16:02.281 to see real breakdown in civil discorsis can I. 0:16:02.641 --> 0:16:05.281 Really challenge that. I think humanity has been through far 0:16:05.641 --> 0:16:10.521 more stressful events and numerous stressful events at the same time, 0:16:10.881 --> 0:16:15.681 and people have responded to it by supporting each other 0:16:15.961 --> 0:16:19.841 and rallying together. And I think it is it is 0:16:20.041 --> 0:16:22.601 depressing that we say, oh, well, people are under all 0:16:22.641 --> 0:16:24.841 this stress. I understand, well, yes. 0:16:24.761 --> 0:16:26.401 And no Joe, but also you know, I mean if 0:16:26.441 --> 0:16:29.801 you look at moments in history, you know, particularly you 0:16:29.881 --> 0:16:31.961 think around the thirties in Europe when there were big 0:16:32.121 --> 0:16:35.841 depressions and recessions and the rise in political movements and 0:16:36.081 --> 0:16:38.441 fighting in the streets and things that came out of 0:16:38.481 --> 0:16:40.761 that as well, it is something that happens when people 0:16:40.801 --> 0:16:43.841 feel under stress. I'm not excusing it, yeah, I'm just 0:16:43.921 --> 0:16:46.881 saying these these are the right lie. I think what's 0:16:46.921 --> 0:16:49.201 happened though, I think that what we're seeing within the 0:16:49.321 --> 0:16:54.681 judiciary and within the police is just this level of permissiveness, 0:16:54.761 --> 0:16:59.161 where the signal overall to people is that there aren't 0:16:59.201 --> 0:17:02.001 any real consequences. There's no one going, oh my god, mate, 0:17:02.041 --> 0:17:04.161 don't do that, because if you do that, you know you're. 0:17:04.041 --> 0:17:08.281 Going to an obvious ridiculous It is a silly comparison 0:17:08.321 --> 0:17:10.361 because you always look at different countries, but you can 0:17:10.441 --> 0:17:12.281 imagine the things that you would not get away with. 0:17:12.441 --> 0:17:15.521 And let's say Singapore as a people who would do 0:17:15.641 --> 0:17:17.961 this here. Can you imagine them going, oh, go and 0:17:18.161 --> 0:17:20.321 protest that way in Singapore and said, oh no, don't 0:17:20.361 --> 0:17:22.721 do that, because why won't you do it? Because there 0:17:22.761 --> 0:17:27.201 will be consequences here, feather duster, that's about it. You fair, 0:17:27.721 --> 0:17:30.841 fair enough? Has this guy been charged? No, you got 0:17:30.881 --> 0:17:33.001 a warning, just a little don't do it again, mate. 0:17:33.041 --> 0:17:35.481 That's not good, not good form from the police. A 0:17:35.721 --> 0:17:41.921 wet bus ticket. There we go anyway, lock them up? Hey, 0:17:42.641 --> 0:17:44.521 actually tell you what. We will take a break now. 0:17:44.561 --> 0:17:46.881 I think it's twenty four past three news talks sai'd be. 0:17:46.961 --> 0:17:49.201 We're going to be coming back next couple of topics. Oh, 0:17:49.241 --> 0:17:51.801 by the way, if you in the break people, if 0:17:51.841 --> 0:17:54.441 you want to just go and check out the footage 0:17:54.481 --> 0:17:57.361 of the guying the pitch invader being taste in Cincinnati. 0:17:57.601 --> 0:17:58.961 Have a good laugh, and then we'll talk about that. 0:17:59.121 --> 0:18:01.201 Coming back in just a moment this news talks. He'll 0:18:01.201 --> 0:18:18.641 be twenty four past three. Welcome back to the Weekend Collective. 0:18:19.161 --> 0:18:22.881 I'm Tim Beveridge, my guests Mark Kreisel and Joe McCarroll. 0:18:22.921 --> 0:18:26.561 This Western Peter's no, Joe's playing that song. Yeah, and 0:18:26.801 --> 0:18:29.361 I have to say that song is linked to our 0:18:29.401 --> 0:18:31.601 next story. But actually I'm not sure he did get 0:18:31.681 --> 0:18:36.201 back up again straight away. But there's I've shown everyone 0:18:36.241 --> 0:18:38.521 in the newsroom has seen this, and hopefully you have 0:18:38.561 --> 0:18:41.241 been the break as well. But baseball spectators in Cincinnati 0:18:42.001 --> 0:18:46.241 witnessed a scene where a Reds fan, having eluded we'd, 0:18:46.281 --> 0:18:50.681 gone up and danced around with one of the center fielder. 0:18:51.001 --> 0:18:53.001 Then he did a backflip while he's been chased by 0:18:53.641 --> 0:18:56.281 as a police officer or security guy. Anyway, he got 0:18:56.321 --> 0:19:01.121 away and he got tased, and I've pulled the newsroom 0:19:01.361 --> 0:19:03.401 and I'll give you the results of that newsroom with 0:19:03.521 --> 0:19:06.321 all the people here. But I thought it was brilliant 0:19:07.521 --> 0:19:13.321 tase them. Job done. It'll stop them idiots distracting everyone. 0:19:13.481 --> 0:19:15.601 What do you think, Mark, chrysl Yes. 0:19:16.481 --> 0:19:19.641 I'll actually grudgingly give them this, I think. Yeah, taser 0:19:19.721 --> 0:19:24.281 stop them in the in their tracks, yea, and move on. 0:19:24.481 --> 0:19:25.961 Have you seen the footage of the game, Yes, I. 0:19:26.001 --> 0:19:27.681 Have, Joe. 0:19:27.801 --> 0:19:30.401