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Speaker 4: But anyway, it's time to introduce my panelists. And the
Speaker 4: first one he is. He is the Silver Fox himself.
Speaker 4: He's a man of many hats. As you know, he's
Speaker 4: been a journalist, a career of fencer. I wanted to
Speaker 4: throw in there that had been an erotic dancer, but
Speaker 4: I couldn't find anything to back it up. But quite frankly,
Speaker 4: there's nothing that he can't do. And it's Mark Kreisel.
Speaker 4: Good day, Mark, how are you going?
Speaker 2: We'll just push I'm more of a neurotic dancer.
Speaker 4: Okay, well close just so quickly. It sounds exciting anyway.
Speaker 4: And my next panelist is editor of the New Zealand's
Speaker 4: most well known gardening magazine, New Zealand Gardener. And when
Speaker 4: she's not with us, you can catch her in a
Speaker 4: happy place pulling out weeds. And it's Joe McCarroll. High Joe.
Speaker 3: In my happiest place, there would be no weeds.
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: It would be done. All the weeding would be done.
Speaker 4: Now, do you do you have any fancy devices?
Speaker 3: I saw at the knee washy right hand knee washe
Speaker 3: because I'm right handed?
Speaker 1: Nee?
Speaker 3: What knee washy little Japanese weading tool recommend If you
Speaker 3: haven't got.
Speaker 4: One, you just stick it and twist it and pull
Speaker 4: it out.
Speaker 3: It's like that sort of yeah, but it's sort is
Speaker 3: you get under get the whole root ball out of
Speaker 3: the weeds.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, because I've had a few things throw up
Speaker 4: in my in my Twitter feed or something, this advert
Speaker 4: for this stick your stick in the ground and it
Speaker 4: seems to pull up these weeds with very large roots. Anyway,
Speaker 4: that's them commercial mark, you pass on any of that.
Speaker 2: I'm just riding as fast as furiously as I can.
Speaker 2: You're the man you seem to be going on.
Speaker 4: Of course, you know, we know what's we have a
Speaker 4: rough idea what's going on at tv INS or do
Speaker 4: we have a rough idea what's going on to T
Speaker 4: means yet? But you I guess at some stage at
Speaker 4: least you can take that bucket list of what it's
Speaker 4: like to be on gardening leave a life goal for
Speaker 4: me being on gardening leave.
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 3: Actually interesting backstory. Before I started editing New Zealand Gardener,
Speaker 3: I was put on Gardening Leaf. Why because another magazine? Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so when I resigned from that mag they said
Speaker 3: you don't have to okay you noticed, you can go
Speaker 3: on gardening leave and I thought, well that's good because
Speaker 3: I'm going to edit New Zealand Gardener.
Speaker 4: Wow three months how appropriate? Hey, so what is going on?
Speaker 4: So what happened is.
Speaker 2: I mean it's out in the public now. I guess
Speaker 2: they can talk about it. That there was a TV
Speaker 2: and Z failed to comply with a clause in our collective,
Speaker 2: which meant that they were meant to consult with us
Speaker 2: as we went through our you know, the process of
Speaker 2: losing our jobs, and the Employment Relations Authority and the
Speaker 2: Employment Court found that that didn't happen, and they ordered
Speaker 2: TV and Z to comply, which meant we were no
Speaker 2: longer dismissed, which means we basically start all over again.
Speaker 2: So we're going through meetings and consulting on how we
Speaker 2: might be able to help the companies.
Speaker 4: Say, are you going to meetings or just going to
Speaker 4: your local going to meetings?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm doing the meetings. We're going through the
Speaker 2: whole process, and then that could go for a number
Speaker 2: of weeks, could go.
Speaker 4: For a very stressful time. But may I say, you
Speaker 4: are looking somehow, You're looking just relaxed. And he's looking good,
Speaker 4: doesn't need Joe. Yeah, and you're looking fantastic too. Oh
Speaker 4: what a good look your hairstyle. I mean, like it's
Speaker 4: only radio unfortunately, so these comics are wasted in the audience. Yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I feeling good.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a it's a weird place to be
Speaker 2: and it's a weird kind of limbo. And I really
Speaker 2: miss being a storyteller and telling stories. I have to
Speaker 2: say that that's a bit tough for me. But you know,
Speaker 2: we'll just go through the stage and see what comes next. Yep,
Speaker 2: you never know, never know what's around there, and just
Speaker 2: open up the text line. If anybody's got any jobs, yeah,
Speaker 2: text nineteen nine two. If you've got a job for
Speaker 2: Mark as actually career, yes, oh.
Speaker 4: Eurotic anything that ends in tick. Hey, look, let's get
Speaker 4: onto the let's get onto the topics for today. Now,
Speaker 4: all speed limit reductions introduced since twenty twenty on local
Speaker 4: streets and outside schools are likely to be scrapped or well,
Speaker 4: I think there's going to be a few changes. I
Speaker 4: wasn't this one that there might even be speeds of
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty kilometers an hour introduced on roads
Speaker 4: of national significance. So anyway, what do you make of this?
Speaker 4: We'll go with you first, Mark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, mate. I think the thing is
Speaker 2: at lower speeds means fewer people die. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: why they came in in the first place. I used
Speaker 2: to live in Germany and on the auto barns there
Speaker 2: are some stretches of water barn there is no speed limit.
Speaker 2: Now you can drive as fast as you like, which
Speaker 2: is amazing if you've got those amazing cars that they have,
Speaker 2: until you have an accident and then you pretty much die.
Speaker 2: So every time the speed limit goes up, more people
Speaker 2: die in accidents.
Speaker 4: So I think there's got to be a happy meeting, though,
Speaker 4: doesn't there because, for instance, who drives thirty kilometers an
Speaker 4: hour around Auckland, CBD unless the traffic is demanding that.
Speaker 4: I had a police officer pass me not flat lights flashing.
Speaker 4: I was going about forty probably and he was definitely
Speaker 4: doing fifty. I was like, these speed limits, some of
Speaker 4: them are they are nonsense, something they don't even think.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Around where I live, the speed limits were brought down,
Speaker 3: and I've got to say I'm really pro that because
Speaker 3: people used to use the street that we live on
Speaker 3: as a little you know, shortcut from one main street
Speaker 3: to another and come down it way too fast. And
Speaker 3: I've seen numerous times people have come a cropper, you
Speaker 3: know what.
Speaker 4: Speed were they've been doing that or they exceeding in
Speaker 4: the normal limit anyone.
Speaker 3: They would have been doing sort of sixty seventy along
Speaker 3: a little suburban street. And they've brought it down and
Speaker 3: now they go slower, and I'm quite pro. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of pointless speed limits that achieve nothing,
Speaker 3: but I don't understand how you can just increase the road.
Speaker 3: You can just increase the speed limit without changing the
Speaker 3: road in any way, and consider that.
Speaker 4: Is well, I mean it's putting it back to what
Speaker 4: it was before. So the road was if you've had
Speaker 4: a fifty K limit or one hundred K limit that
Speaker 4: and it's gone down it was one hundred k, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. They haven't popped it up, except
Speaker 4: for obviously these new roads where like the expressways, where
Speaker 4: they think, well, actually this road's built for hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty K.
Speaker 2: If it's one hundred, and you know it's normally if
Speaker 2: it's one hundred, people go one hundred and ten. If
Speaker 2: it's fifty, they do sixty. I mean, that's just the
Speaker 2: reality of it, and people try, you know, take their
Speaker 2: chances there.
Speaker 4: I'm with Joe. Our street.
Speaker 2: We get people whipping down there at fifty k's, we've
Speaker 2: got kids walking across the street. We've got all that
Speaker 2: kind of thing drives me nuts.
Speaker 4: I mean, mid way, what's the limit on your road anyway?
Speaker 2: Will it be around thirty or forty? I would imagine
Speaker 2: it's a in an Auckland street.
Speaker 4: And it's only CBD. I think that's down to thirty.
Speaker 4: I think you probably find the limit is fifty. Probably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's too fast. That is way too fast
Speaker 2: in our street. And also I see the ministers saying
Speaker 2: things like which I think is absolute nonsense. We'll ask
Speaker 2: the public if they think that's a reasonable speed. Well,
Speaker 2: that's just ridiculous. I mean, people want to go faster
Speaker 2: all the time. It doesn't you know, all New Zealanders
Speaker 2: think they're good drives.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it will might say public and
Speaker 4: you have a conservative approach to it.
Speaker 2: But not a speed little They're there for a good reason, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure the engineering reason.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, well, the engineering of the roads. For instance,
Speaker 4: say okay, let's put the engineering of the some of
Speaker 4: those new roads is one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 3: Then we should be signed.
Speaker 4: But we should be okay with one hundred and twenty,
Speaker 4: then should we?
Speaker 3: Well, I think when you've got a road that is
Speaker 3: designed for a higher speed, I don't have a problem
Speaker 3: with the highest speed. I think if everyone could travel safely.
Speaker 3: But the speeds that you're saying, Tim, that we're going
Speaker 3: back to, they were just applied in the most random
Speaker 3: ad hoc fashion. Back in the day people were putting
Speaker 3: one hundred. Yeah, that looks about one hundred, you know,
Speaker 3: that looks about.
Speaker 4: I think don't know if they were totally phillo ste
Speaker 4: it was like all stayed highways were one hundred.
Speaker 3: And I think roads do not allow that. They do
Speaker 3: not allow you to travel at one hundred safely. And
Speaker 3: I also think, and I know people get so hot
Speaker 3: under the collar about not being able to drive as
Speaker 3: fast as they want the whole time. But I mean,
Speaker 3: if you go eighty or if you go one hundred,
Speaker 3: the difference it makes in your journey of most the
Speaker 3: average time of a journey, which is not more than
Speaker 3: an hour, I'd say it's.
Speaker 4: Much eighty to me feels pretty pedestrian. To be honest,
Speaker 4: I'm all in favor of it. I think I think
Speaker 4: you could see that now that I am. I mean,
Speaker 4: for instance, I mean, I agree, slow down outside schools,
Speaker 4: but when they say the speed limit outside of school
Speaker 4: at ten o'clock at night, there's got to be thirty
Speaker 4: kilometers an hour, it's sort of like, well, that does
Speaker 4: it just seems that there's room for a happy medium,
Speaker 4: and he wants to protect well yea, as I say,
Speaker 4: of course, you're not going to have it. You don't
Speaker 4: more people die if the speed limits are higher. Are
Speaker 4: you happy with that? Well, I think that life is
Speaker 4: risky anyway. If you want, you are happy. If you
Speaker 4: want to follow that argument, Mark, then everyone should drive
Speaker 4: fifty kilometers an hour on the open road. Good luck
Speaker 4: driving faster than that in Auckland anyway. No, no, no,
Speaker 4: But I mean if you want to take that argument,
Speaker 4: then you can argue for just repressing us. Also, whether
Speaker 4: we're trying to remove all the risk of life, I
Speaker 4: think that there is. We're ignoring the fact that one
Speaker 4: of the major causes of deaths on the road is
Speaker 4: drug driving, drink driving and getting known at speed and
Speaker 4: get off that bloody phone. I think if you want
Speaker 4: to say, let's find people a thousand bucks from being
Speaker 4: caught on their phone, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with that too. But speed is definitely
Speaker 2: one of those factors as well.
Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of speed, road design out
Speaker 3: the old age of our fleet of cars. But also
Speaker 3: I would say New Zealanders are often incredibly aggressive drivers.
Speaker 3: That makes it more dangerous for everyone.
Speaker 4: Well, you could argue before we move on, you could
Speaker 4: argue that not that that having these having slightly overly
Speaker 4: conservative limits leads to frustration in its own way. Maybe
Speaker 4: I don't know. Look, look enforce the limits. Get on.
Speaker 4: I think when you get overtaken by someone on the
Speaker 4: on there on the inside, on one of your things, bicycle.
Speaker 3: I'd like to say I couldn't agree with you. More
Speaker 3: about the phone thing, I'd like to see the minute
Speaker 3: you call on your phone, your phone is confiscated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your car is confiscated.
Speaker 3: Yes, make me prime minister now in New Zealand.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, speaking of consequences for things, Maureen Pew the
Speaker 4: allegia assault during that anti mining protest in Tarcica. So
Speaker 4: she turned up for a community board meeting. It sounds
Speaker 4: like quite a benign sort of thing anyway, there are
Speaker 4: a lot of protesters there, so we've thrown this one
Speaker 4: as an extra bit. She was pushed by a man,
Speaker 4: physically accosted her, pushed a placard into her chest, and
Speaker 4: I guess the question is she was technically assaulted. It
Speaker 4: seems to me that with the posey Parker sort of thing,
Speaker 4: and we've seen it going back in time, dildo's being
Speaker 4: thrown mud and all that sort of stuff. I actually
Speaker 4: think that when it comes to public public meetings and politicians,
Speaker 4: I think that if you apply even a minor assault,
Speaker 4: charged them because I think that getting to the stage
Speaker 4: ye where people feel that there's no consequence. And we
Speaker 4: had a seventy year old one year old woman violently
Speaker 4: assaulted and he got discharged with that conviction. They should
Speaker 4: have charged this guy because more MP and anyone like
Speaker 4: her Green National whatever party, they should be able to
Speaker 4: attend meetings and not have dickheads making life unpleasant.
Speaker 3: And I actually think, I know a lot of people
Speaker 3: will say, oh, you know, alleged assault, you know, and
Speaker 3: I actually think that sounds really quite frightening.
Speaker 4: Would have you seen the video of it? No, I've
Speaker 4: only seen footage of it to her cut same thing. No, sorry,
Speaker 4: I mean sorry, no photos.
Speaker 2: Yes, so her car was surrounded by a whole lot
Speaker 2: of people, and I think she would have felt really
Speaker 2: threatened and frightened. There she's Intarctica, that's a Green stronghold anyways,
Speaker 2: she's outside of safety zone.
Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, definitely, I will.
Speaker 3: It's not a political issue. I think we are so
Speaker 3: lucky that our politicians can still come in front us
Speaker 3: and come to community meetings and meet directly with the public.
Speaker 3: That is an incredibly valuable thing. And I don't want
Speaker 3: to see us in a situation where they just stay
Speaker 3: in their office and you know, put up the odd
Speaker 3: Facebook live. We're losing something if that happens. I agree
Speaker 3: with you, Tim, I think this is something that should
Speaker 3: be taken incredibly seriously because of where it was happening.
Speaker 4: Actually, funny thing is, isn't it. I love that the
Speaker 4: reporting of it seemed to say it was pushed with
Speaker 4: a placardist I was just a bit of cardboard. Take
Speaker 4: that placard away, that man has placed his hands on
Speaker 4: her and pushed her, and I'm thinking, actually, funny thing
Speaker 4: is it's almost like the placard was made. It not
Speaker 4: so bad. I'm sorry. I think the police made a
Speaker 4: mistake charge and let the judge deal with it. Let
Speaker 4: the judge let him off. I guess.
Speaker 3: Take it as as seriously as it should be taken.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: I think things have got have got out of hand
Speaker 2: quite a bit. You know after COVID there were the
Speaker 2: threats of course to the Prome Minister just into adourn
Speaker 2: at the time, James Shaw was punched in the face,
Speaker 2: literally punched in the face, just.
Speaker 4: Walking to work. And do we know what happened with that?
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy was charged and got pretty sure he
Speaker 2: was convicted. I and then a wet bus ticket naughty
Speaker 2: to do it again? Yeah, but you know that was
Speaker 2: that was an actual literally in your face as sold.
Speaker 2: So I think the whole public discourse is getting angrier
Speaker 2: and angrier. People under stress, there's a recession on. People
Speaker 2: have feel poorer and are really struggling, and this is
Speaker 2: what you start to see when these things happen. Also,
Speaker 2: I think this government has changed so many things, and
Speaker 2: particularly people in a green area would feel particularly agreed.
Speaker 2: They always feel like they're fighting to save the will.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's okay. I'm not saying it's okay,
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying this is the environment.
Speaker 3: I would say it's an immensely stressful environment that people
Speaker 3: are operating in right now, but people have operated in
Speaker 3: far more stressful environments. That is not acceptable behavior. I
Speaker 3: think we are seeing a breakdown in simply a social contract.
Speaker 2: I was thinking that there's been so many things over
Speaker 2: the years. There's COVID and and then there's been the
Speaker 2: you know, the weather events, and now we're in a
Speaker 2: recession and people are losing their jobs. That these things
Speaker 2: just get layered on top of each other to a
Speaker 2: point where people are starting to break and we're starting
Speaker 2: to see real breakdown in civil discorsis can I.
Speaker 3: Really challenge that. I think humanity has been through far
Speaker 3: more stressful events and numerous stressful events at the same time,
Speaker 3: and people have responded to it by supporting each other
Speaker 3: and rallying together. And I think it is it is
Speaker 3: depressing that we say, oh, well, people are under all
Speaker 3: this stress. I understand, well, yes.
Speaker 2: And no Joe, but also you know, I mean if
Speaker 2: you look at moments in history, you know, particularly you
Speaker 2: think around the thirties in Europe when there were big
Speaker 2: depressions and recessions and the rise in political movements and
Speaker 2: fighting in the streets and things that came out of
Speaker 2: that as well, it is something that happens when people
Speaker 2: feel under stress. I'm not excusing it, yeah, I'm just
Speaker 2: saying these these are the right lie. I think what's
Speaker 2: happened though, I think that what we're seeing within the
Speaker 2: judiciary and within the police is just this level of permissiveness,
Speaker 2: where the signal overall to people is that there aren't
Speaker 2: any real consequences. There's no one going, oh my god, mate,
Speaker 2: don't do that, because if you do that, you know you're.
Speaker 4: Going to an obvious ridiculous It is a silly comparison
Speaker 4: because you always look at different countries, but you can
Speaker 4: imagine the things that you would not get away with.
Speaker 4: And let's say Singapore as a people who would do
Speaker 4: this here. Can you imagine them going, oh, go and
Speaker 4: protest that way in Singapore and said, oh no, don't
Speaker 4: do that, because why won't you do it? Because there
Speaker 4: will be consequences here, feather duster, that's about it. You fair,
Speaker 4: fair enough? Has this guy been charged? No, you got
Speaker 4: a warning, just a little don't do it again, mate.
Speaker 4: That's not good, not good form from the police. A
Speaker 4: wet bus ticket. There we go anyway, lock them up? Hey,
Speaker 4: actually tell you what. We will take a break now.
Speaker 4: I think it's twenty four past three news talks sai'd be.
Speaker 4: We're going to be coming back next couple of topics. Oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, if you in the break people, if
Speaker 4: you want to just go and check out the footage
Speaker 4: of the guying the pitch invader being taste in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: Have a good laugh, and then we'll talk about that.
Speaker 4: Coming back in just a moment this news talks. He'll
Speaker 4: be twenty four past three. Welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 4: I'm Tim Beveridge, my guests Mark Kreisel and Joe McCarroll.
Speaker 4: This Western Peter's no, Joe's playing that song. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I have to say that song is linked to our
Speaker 4: next story. But actually I'm not sure he did get
Speaker 4: back up again straight away. But there's I've shown everyone
Speaker 4: in the newsroom has seen this, and hopefully you have
Speaker 4: been the break as well. But baseball spectators in Cincinnati
Speaker 4: witnessed a scene where a Reds fan, having eluded we'd,
Speaker 4: gone up and danced around with one of the center fielder.
Speaker 4: Then he did a backflip while he's been chased by
Speaker 4: as a police officer or security guy. Anyway, he got
Speaker 4: away and he got tased, and I've pulled the newsroom
Speaker 4: and I'll give you the results of that newsroom with
Speaker 4: all the people here. But I thought it was brilliant
Speaker 4: tase them. Job done. It'll stop them idiots distracting everyone.
Speaker 4: What do you think, Mark, chrysl Yes.
Speaker 2: I'll actually grudgingly give them this, I think. Yeah, taser
Speaker 2: stop them in the in their tracks, yea, and move on.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the footage of the game, Yes, I.
Speaker 4: Have, Joe.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, I mean, I don't actually
Speaker 3: know what being tasered is, like myst surprised you to know.
Speaker 3: But if it is still if it is just not
Speaker 3: that bad. But I mean, the thing is, maybe you
Speaker 3: could say a little bit of a disproportionate response to
Speaker 3: this teenager, but at the running onto the field, it's
Speaker 3: a real dumb ass thing to do. I think, you know,
Speaker 3: it's stupid. It's not fair to the athletes who are
Speaker 3: playing the game. And I'd say, you know, if you
Speaker 3: didn't have quite immediate severe consequences, you'll get a lot
Speaker 3: of people wanting to do it, to put it on
Speaker 3: their Instagram.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing. Look, I think that it's also a
Speaker 4: risk these days. They say to the athletes, and sometimes
Speaker 4: your athletes who take them out with a tackle and
Speaker 4: they're in trouble and all that sort of stuff. It
Speaker 4: is one. It's a deterrent, which I think we probably need.
Speaker 4: But here's the quick, tricky question for you. If it
Speaker 4: had been, say, a female streaker, who I must say,
Speaker 4: I do think that we'd be a little bit more.
Speaker 4: In fact, it was a guy doing backflips who ran away.
Speaker 4: But I have to say that sensibility of me would
Speaker 4: feel less comfortable with seeing a woman tasted and just
Speaker 4: being honest. And you tell me off for that now, Joe.
Speaker 3: No, I no, I get what you're saying. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think you know that was a teenage boy.
Speaker 4: I think, ah, well, I looked about twenty or something.
Speaker 3: The kid on the field. I mean, you don't want
Speaker 3: to see anyone hurt. That's what I meant about is
Speaker 3: if is tasering, it's not going to have any serious
Speaker 3: consequences for him. I don't think.
Speaker 2: Are fine if the game's boring, though, that's the thing
Speaker 2: you almost.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's funny. You can always have someone who's
Speaker 4: in charge and going okay, guys security boring if somebody
Speaker 4: streaks led them away with it, and then you go okay,
Speaker 4: games rocking and rolling tasers on guys. So if you
Speaker 4: get it wrong, do you get it wrong? If the
Speaker 4: game's boring, you get away with it because everyone's dying
Speaker 4: for some entertainment. But if it's in the middle of
Speaker 4: the final of the Blues versus whoever. Then, lucky he
Speaker 4: wasn't in Texas.
Speaker 2: You probably would have got a bullet through the head
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're not the first. So I pulled the newsroom. Okay,
Speaker 4: not a single person against it. I'd seen one person
Speaker 4: ambivalent and everyone else was like, yep, tasm. Should we
Speaker 4: bring it to New Zealand. Then let's tase pitch invaders.
Speaker 3: Joe, look again, I need to know more about Taser's
Speaker 3: volunteering for something. I don't want to see anyone get hurt,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't. I think that's an absolute disproportionate response.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I think that is a
Speaker 3: really annoying and stupid thing to do, and people should
Speaker 3: be dissuaded from doing it.
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say it hurts getting taste.
Speaker 2: Not that I've been tasted, but I can imagine it hurts.
Speaker 2: Like how Actually I wonderful.
Speaker 4: It makes me wonder because I was thinking, how it
Speaker 4: can we demonstrate that with you? Now, Joe would be
Speaker 4: to go get the defib.
Speaker 3: Cattle prop coming back after the break, go back after
Speaker 3: the break.
Speaker 4: We're gonna well, maybe not Joe love. That sounds like
Speaker 4: it might be a health and safety issue. Anyway, Hey, anyway,
Speaker 4: go and check it out. It's quite It is funny
Speaker 4: if you want to laugh when he hits it is
Speaker 4: and you hear the guys who are like here he goes.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 4: Anyway, there we go. Right, Okay, Look these new laws
Speaker 4: to allow Australian workers to ignore calls outside workouts. Should
Speaker 4: New Zealand adopt the same rules. So it's about this
Speaker 4: right to disconnect. And look, it doesn't seem to me.
Speaker 4: I almost wondered, do we need a law like that?
Speaker 4: I would have thought that in New Zealand your home time,
Speaker 4: you need your home time.
Speaker 2: You may need some protections if you decide, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I'm not contactable outside of certain
Speaker 2: certain times, so you may need some protections in the law.
Speaker 2: I mean, I personally, I hate taking doing anything to
Speaker 2: do with work once I get home. I can say
Speaker 2: that now because I'm on guardening leaf. But you know, generally,
Speaker 2: but people who rang me after ring me after a
Speaker 2: certain time, I would never pick up. I wouldn't even
Speaker 2: really reply to emails or texts.
Speaker 4: As home workers work, I might be being naive. But
Speaker 4: I think that a text or something, if somebody from
Speaker 4: work has texted me or cause, I know it'll be
Speaker 4: for a good reason. Yeah, it has to be important.
Speaker 4: And if it was just because, how can you do that?
Speaker 4: I'd be I'd just say, look, when I'm out of
Speaker 4: the office and out of the office, what would your
Speaker 4: start speak to it? Jo? Do we need a rule
Speaker 4: like this?
Speaker 3: I think it's a pretty I think legislation is a
Speaker 3: pretty blunt tool to use in a situation which is
Speaker 3: so nuanced, so in the weeds. I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: think everyone is lucky enough to be able to decide
Speaker 3: to ignore calls. You know, not everyone is in that position.
Speaker 3: Some people you feel their job was at risk if
Speaker 3: they ignored that, Well.
Speaker 4: That's where the protection of the law would come. And
Speaker 4: I would imagine it does feel like a heavy instrument,
Speaker 4: would it be, But you.
Speaker 2: Know, the employers would have more power in this situation.
Speaker 2: It would be a way of protecting the workers. I
Speaker 2: would imagine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm saying you're protecting I mean, I take
Speaker 3: what you're saying, Mark, but you're protecting a vulnerable workforce
Speaker 3: who then would have to pursue the protection of the law.
Speaker 4: It just seems very calm. It seems that it would
Speaker 4: make workplace relations very complex. I'm sure you should be
Speaker 4: able to work the stuff out with your employer, shouldn't you,
Speaker 4: for instance.
Speaker 2: Well as someone who's in the middle of something. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it takes a while to.
Speaker 4: Get to that point. Yeah, but no, I think that.
Speaker 4: I just think that legislating bluntly for something like this
Speaker 4: it makes it difficult.
Speaker 3: Have another piece of legislation that I wish to pass
Speaker 3: under my new regime of prime ministership. I would like
Speaker 3: people not to be able to contact you on a
Speaker 3: range of different platforms.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's a good one, because you know, you.
Speaker 3: And Mark, I'm sure all of you. You get messages,
Speaker 3: and you might get a text, and you might get
Speaker 3: a WhatsApp, and you might get a message on Facebook Messenger,
Speaker 3: and you might get a message on LinkedIn, and so
Speaker 3: you've just got too many platforms. And I like a
Speaker 3: lot of work correspondence in all these different ways. So
Speaker 3: it's very very hard to keep track off.
Speaker 2: Actually, just that is quite a good point, Actually very
Speaker 2: good point, because actually people don't get to switch off
Speaker 2: if you choose to go back online.
Speaker 4: But you know, whether we like it or not.
Speaker 2: We're looking at our phones all the time, and that
Speaker 2: takes a toll that's not good for you. My solution
Speaker 2: would be that if somebody rings you or texts you
Speaker 2: outside work hours, that you can taser them.
Speaker 4: No, I just but you can all think of occupations
Speaker 4: where that just wouldn't work. If you were, okay, a
Speaker 4: lawyer or something. You've got a big case coming up
Speaker 4: in the morning and your boss has to say, Loosten,
Speaker 4: this has just come up. I need to give you
Speaker 4: a heads up for tomorrow. Broadcasting, you know, and radio
Speaker 4: all the time, you know, there might be there might
Speaker 4: be something. We're dealing with live news events all the time.
Speaker 4: The ability to imagine if I just said on I'm out,
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not taking any calls. I just guess
Speaker 4: it's all about having a good relationship with your employer,
Speaker 4: and it's when you don't that this sort of stuff comes.
Speaker 3: Into Surely this is a right not to be harassed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I would have thought we have that right.
Speaker 3: You know, if your employer is contacting you out of
Speaker 3: ours and giving you you know, and hounding you, I
Speaker 3: feel like that could currently be dealt with by the
Speaker 3: employment court. Already.
Speaker 4: I feel like this is legislation that does Maybe maybe
Speaker 4: it's quite it's interesting, maybe it's quite bad in Australia.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's good.
Speaker 2: It's a good conversation to have though, because you don't
Speaker 2: think about it. Then it can just creep into your
Speaker 2: life and before you're wondering why you exhausted all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's an interesting it's it's a difficult one
Speaker 4: because you can imagine times when they'd be like, you
Speaker 4: know what, you've left work, that's it, you're out. But yeah,
Speaker 4: surely we can work this out without having to legislate
Speaker 4: for all.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: An, So I've always had a job. You know, there's
Speaker 3: give and take, but I'm lucky to have that. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't mind doing something in the evening, sometimes at
Speaker 3: the weekend sometimes because I know this flexibility at other times.
Speaker 2: But there are plenty of people who don't, particularly in
Speaker 2: this economy at the moment, you know, there are people
Speaker 2: losing jobs. People are desperate to hang on to them.
Speaker 2: So it does make work is a lot more vulnerable
Speaker 2: than they would have been in the past. Your line
Speaker 2: about tasings reminded me somehow of the mighty Python cheese
Speaker 2: sketch and your substitute the words shoot for taste. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Butham, have to tas you now over the
Speaker 2: end of the cheese sketch.
Speaker 4: You don't know that one. No, he goes into the
Speaker 4: cheese shop. He says, you've got any camem beer? No,
Speaker 4: not today? So any lists for a million cheeses? And
Speaker 4: he goes, what about cheddar? He goes, no, just just
Speaker 4: run out of that and have you any cheese in
Speaker 4: the shop at all?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry, I'm going to have to shoot you right,
Speaker 4: oh sir. And that's how they finished the sketch. There's
Speaker 4: just a bit of mighty Python trivia for you. Obviously
Speaker 4: we've listened to far too much. When as a teenager
Speaker 4: it is twenty two minutes to four news talks, he'd
Speaker 4: be that really. Welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I'm
Speaker 4: Tim Beverage. My guests are Joe McCarroll and Mark Kreisel.
Speaker 4: And look, guys, just getting onto the AI side of things.
Speaker 4: Apple brings chat GPT to Siri. Is it so it's
Speaker 4: debuting Apple Intelligence AI sort of being attached to your
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm I think AI is amazing, But
Speaker 4: what do you think of? What do you think of?
Speaker 4: I mean I'm anti Apple as well, by the way,
Speaker 4: I think it's the death star of technology because once
Speaker 4: you're in, you can't get out. Not cool, No, I'm
Speaker 4: certainly not. Yeah, But anyway, Apple Intelligence. Do you love
Speaker 4: what it's going to be able to do for your iPhone? Mark? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean I think we need to relax a bit
Speaker 2: about AI. I think we're all getting a little bit
Speaker 2: hit up and worried about it, and I think it's
Speaker 2: actually going to be a tool for quite good. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm hearing lots of bad things and good things, and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I'm just going to take I'm going to
Speaker 2: be relaxed about it, and if I don't like what
Speaker 2: AI is doing, then I'll taser it.
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, Mark. We can see a thing developing
Speaker 4: in your conversation, Joe, what do you reckon?
Speaker 3: Look, I think there's an opportunity for Apple here. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think they've taken a position on privacy, and I
Speaker 3: think they have a real track record of taking something
Speaker 3: that someone else has developed, polishing up the user experience
Speaker 3: a bit, and then katching you know, what I mean. So,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would like the tools
Speaker 3: that AI can offer you without the privacy exposure that
Speaker 3: a tool like chat Chi or whatever the Google one's
Speaker 3: called expose you to. So I think it's an opportunity.
Speaker 3: I think I sort of view AI a bit like
Speaker 3: I view Google, because I'm like, I use that every day,
Speaker 3: all day, use it constantly, you know, use the search
Speaker 3: whatever search engineer use. It's just a tool, and I
Speaker 3: imagine we'll be using it a lot. But anyone who
Speaker 3: says they work less now than.
Speaker 4: It's unavoidable AI really isn't it. And there's what's it
Speaker 4: going to be. It's going to be called what it's
Speaker 4: Apple Intelligence. It's a deal with chat GPT. I just interesting.
Speaker 4: Do you trust AI in terms of if you were
Speaker 4: going to give it a job to do or something
Speaker 4: to write? I I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I've used it a couple of times and sum up something.
Speaker 2: It's actually been hilarious, just when I was struggling for something.
Speaker 2: It's just been ludicrous of what it's come up with.
Speaker 2: So it hasn't really worked for me. But I know
Speaker 2: people who are using it all the time and it
Speaker 2: works well for them, works in terms of summarizing thing.
Speaker 3: In certain contexts.
Speaker 2: I heard something the other day about chat g GPT,
Speaker 2: which I'm dying to try, is that if you go
Speaker 2: and you open your fridge and you say I've got
Speaker 2: only these ingredients in my fridge, what can I make?
Speaker 4: It'll come up with loads of recipes. Well, yeah, apparently
Speaker 4: that works really well. My producers telling me that works well,
Speaker 4: he's used that, he's used it. I think I've got
Speaker 4: that's not bad. I used it to put together a
Speaker 4: writer for my concert to take to the States, and
Speaker 4: I passed my own eye of a law degree and everything,
Speaker 4: but I ran some clauses past it and said what
Speaker 4: do you reckon of these? And it came up with
Speaker 4: a suggestion which was actually I thought, God, that's brilliant,
Speaker 4: and it'll get better to I know, this is a start.
Speaker 2: An HR person told me the other day that she's
Speaker 2: noticing that people are doing their performance reviews with AI
Speaker 2: because the language is slightly it's not quite human and
Speaker 2: a little bit stilted and hmm, yeah, I used to
Speaker 2: just put North American sayings in my Do you think TV.
Speaker 4: And Z used AI to sort out its points?
Speaker 3: Some actual I.
Speaker 4: Actually because Elon Musk has threatened to ban iPhones and
Speaker 4: Max at his company. So he's if the iPhone maker, basically,
Speaker 4: if the iPhone maker goes ahead with its AI plans
Speaker 4: announced on Monday, he's he's going to I think any
Speaker 4: visitor to to his company is going to have to
Speaker 4: stick their phone into a Faraday cage or something. He
Speaker 4: was talking about. Anyway, he's he says, He says, uh,
Speaker 4: basically isolates sort of radio signals and all that sort
Speaker 4: of stuff. Apple has no clue what's going on, he says,
Speaker 4: once the hand over your data to open AI. I
Speaker 4: think he's playing a pr game here too.
Speaker 3: Sounds like sour grapes frankly. I mean the last thing
Speaker 3: he wants is for Apple to own the AI space.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a it's a pitch battle at the moment,
Speaker 2: isn't it between all those big tech guy.
Speaker 4: I think if you're going into a into a commercially
Speaker 4: sense sort of environment, though, I'd be like, leave your
Speaker 4: phone at the door, thanks very much, no matter what
Speaker 4: it is. But you'll be doing that anyway. Yeah. Probably.
Speaker 4: There is an interesting fun side topic to this. So
Speaker 4: Elon Musk has just had his The shareholders have approved
Speaker 4: his salary, his remuneration packets. Sorry, let's put it that way.
Speaker 4: Fifty six billion dollars. Whoa, and here's us going on?
Speaker 4: Fifty millions is too much? Fifty six billion dollars. The
Speaker 4: shareholders have approved it. For the Tesla shareholders have approved it.
Speaker 2: They had two goes at that, didn't they because they
Speaker 2: got turned down the first time.
Speaker 4: I did a little calculation, because I think sometimes people
Speaker 4: don't get how much a billion dollars is.
Speaker 3: I tried to negotiate that payment for us for the
Speaker 3: hour of radio.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what, I worked it out. We've divided
Speaker 4: it by three hundred and sixty five, right, and then
Speaker 4: we've divided it by eight. And we were saying, so,
Speaker 4: without thinking too hard, how much do you think if
Speaker 4: we were paying you the equivalent for this hour of radio?
Speaker 4: How much would you get?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Probably what I'm worth ten.
Speaker 4: Thirty million dollars for one hour, for an hour, unless
Speaker 4: I've got a few years dollars. Yeah, thirty million dollars
Speaker 4: fifty million New Zealand. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a
Speaker 4: lot of one.
Speaker 3: I would take calls after hours, the phone's ring.
Speaker 4: I'm getting thirty million dollars an hour.
Speaker 2: You only have to do an hour and you're sweet, Well,
Speaker 2: you don't need anymore thirty million?
Speaker 4: Have you? By the way, somebody struck Powerball again? Just
Speaker 4: by the way on Wednesday? Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 3: Would you be disappointed if you won power Ball and
Speaker 3: it was four million having missed out on thirty million?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'd take it. Still be great, I'd
Speaker 4: take it. Be a hard heart to be yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'd be disappointed if accidentally ten people had won the
Speaker 4: same thing or something. It'd be like, what's the chances?
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'll take the four million anyway. Look, we'll
Speaker 4: be back in just a moment. News Talk said it
Speaker 4: is twelve minutes.
Speaker 2: To four.
Speaker 4: If you.
Speaker 2: In the time the.
Speaker 4: Lot and welcome back to the Weekend Collective. Tim Beverbridge,
Speaker 4: my guest, Joe McCarroll and Mark Kreisel. Guys, what did
Speaker 4: you think of the story? A couple who were put
Speaker 4: they both need special assistance and they were put on
Speaker 4: the wrong plane. They had booked flights from Bristol to
Speaker 4: Barcelona in Spain and it ended up in Lithuania and
Speaker 4: they did their boarding passes were checked multiple times, but
Speaker 4: the era wasn't spotted.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I think is the most unbelievable thing,
Speaker 3: Having traveled on Ryan Air quite a bit. The seats
Speaker 3: were free, that's true, the seat How were the seats free?
Speaker 3: Like Ryanair is books overbooked?
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's the planes are rammed.
Speaker 4: Well maybe people, I have no idea. But and and
Speaker 4: the fact that they managed maybe they had exactly the
Speaker 4: same seat numbers. But you know what, I think it
Speaker 4: does tell you that when the cabin crew are looking
Speaker 4: at your boarding passes, how closely are they really looking?
Speaker 4: Because that must be a mind numbing thing where you're
Speaker 4: just looking at boarding pass after boarding.
Speaker 2: Pass'd on the wrong plane before in I was living
Speaker 2: in Wellington and I was in Napier and the Auckland
Speaker 2: and Auckland and Wellington planes were basically on the tarmac
Speaker 2: at the same time, so they put you out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got on the Auckland plane when I was meant
Speaker 2: to be on the Wellington one, but they picked me
Speaker 2: up after I'd sat down.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Someone told me once that in Austria there's a counter
Speaker 3: for people who thought they were flying to Australia. What Sorry,
Speaker 3: there's a counter at the airport. We think there's Austria.
Speaker 4: That's a great.
Speaker 3: So many people have flown to Austria. That's not getting
Speaker 3: on the wrong plane. Imagine they've booked their flights online.
Speaker 4: And they haven't stopped. Christian White four thousand bucks return
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 2: A different wardrobe, a different wardrobe.
Speaker 4: Mentioned that, seriously, could anyone possibly have done that? There'd
Speaker 4: be because you'd have a stop over somewhere for Austria.
Speaker 4: You'd be why are we stopping off and sing a
Speaker 4: porter go to Australia.
Speaker 3: I remember someone who was flying, because this has happened
Speaker 3: a few times, and I remember someone who said that
Speaker 3: that they were they didn't know why they were speaking
Speaker 3: in Spanish on the plane. But I thought, well, if
Speaker 3: you don't speak Spanish, you might not understand when they say, gosh,
Speaker 3: we hope you enjoy the beautiful floral festival in Madrid.
Speaker 4: Or of course I was thinking of people flying from
Speaker 4: Australia from New Zealand to Australia, but of course it'd
Speaker 4: be for people flying from.
Speaker 3: Within America.
Speaker 4: Austria where the kangaroos mate. Hey, by the way, she sooner, okay,
Speaker 4: definitely not in touch with the common man. He said
Speaker 4: that he had it tough when he was growing up,
Speaker 4: and he went without sky as a child.
Speaker 3: Didn't have Sky TV, didn't have any working class friends.
Speaker 4: He's just they're in trouble. His dad was a GP
Speaker 4: and his mam owned a pharmacy. Why didn't you just say, look, well,
Speaker 4: I came from an ordinary background, but my dad was
Speaker 4: a doctor in this and finished.
Speaker 3: She went to a very high end private school.
Speaker 2: Him and his wife are worth over a billion dollars
Speaker 2: if the family.
Speaker 3: But I mean, there is nothing like the self pity
Speaker 3: of the rich.
Speaker 2: The Tories are in real trouble. I see their third
Speaker 2: now in the latest theform Party has gone up to
Speaker 2: number two.
Speaker 4: Blimey. So they could be wiped out. Well I don't
Speaker 4: think they'd be wiped out, but I think they wonder
Speaker 4: if Boris is going I'll come back. They just waiting
Speaker 4: for me to return.
Speaker 3: I actually think that's quite a serious issue. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think the fact that you've got people in charge
Speaker 3: who are so not like the people who are a
Speaker 3: voting I think a democratic institution should look roughly like
Speaker 3: the population, and I think we should be proud in
Speaker 3: New Zealand that they are a bit more like the population.
Speaker 3: But in America, I don't think. I think this is
Speaker 3: the most private school educated members of cabinet who under
Speaker 3: rishisunac since Liz trusts as in those are the highest ever.
Speaker 3: I mean that's not that is not the British public,
Speaker 3: and I think that means they're passing legislation.
Speaker 4: They've got a class system.
Speaker 2: So look, this is a problem politics anyway, because I
Speaker 2: think that the people we are getting aren't really representative
Speaker 2: of our communities. They're often been in Koreas their whole life,
Speaker 2: and that's taste of them all. I just think if
Speaker 2: they've got good ideas, I don't care where they're from.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Hey, by the way, go get your your
Speaker 2: copy of New Zealand Gardener magazine. It's a lovely sort
Speaker 2: of lavender color with what's on the.
Speaker 3: Front there Salvi is We did the national salvia collection
Speaker 3: in Southland and I would say if you haven't to
Speaker 3: salvia in your garden you will want one after reading
Speaker 3: this amazing story.
Speaker 4: Excellent. Hey, thank you so much, Mark, lovely to see you.
Speaker 4: Is there any columns in there and Gardening leave? No,
Speaker 4: do you need one? Well? There we go. Well you
Speaker 4: can talk after talking the break about that. Hey, We'll
Speaker 4: be back shortly with the one roof radio show on
Speaker 4: tim Bebridge. It is now coming out to three minutes
Speaker 4: to four News Talk.
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