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Speaker 1: Government looking at the cowboys in the building sector. Current

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Speaker 1: maximum fine for individual builders if you're a bit shonky

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Speaker 1: is ten thousand dollars. The plan is to bump that

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Speaker 1: to fifty. For companies is going to be one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars. Certified build a CEO. Malcolm Fleming

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Speaker 1: with us on this Malcolm.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Is this a very obvious problem that needs solving with

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Speaker 1: a big fine?

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Speaker 2: I think it's. Look, it's important to note that kereless

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Speaker 2: workmanship by trade qualified builders is rare, and the trade

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Speaker 2: qualification for building for builders is important. It's been a

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Speaker 2: requirement of ended CB membership since we started in ninety

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Speaker 2: ninety eight. It's a prerequisite. It's a unique to us,

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Speaker 2: and we're pleased at the Government of Signaling that is

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Speaker 2: looking to follow our lead with occupational licensing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how does it time with the master builders? I

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Speaker 1: hire a master builder, I'm supposed to be hiring somebody

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Speaker 1: who knows what they're doing, never going to cause me

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Speaker 1: any problems. Why do we need all of this?

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Speaker 2: So? The trade qualification is something that we believe in,

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Speaker 2: is INTENCB. It's a prerequisite to our membership is a

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Speaker 2: unique to us. You're talking about another trade of social

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Speaker 2: As a VERG trader association, we're just still to stand

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Speaker 2: behind trade qualification because we believe that that is the

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Speaker 2: best quality assurance for the homeowner.

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Speaker 1: All the issues you see, how many of them are

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Speaker 1: the individual who's a bit shonky versus the company who

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Speaker 1: has systemic problems.

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Speaker 2: It's really a skills issue and that's what we should

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Speaker 2: be focusing on solving, because the bar to entry for

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Speaker 2: a builder is an out of view, far too low,

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Speaker 2: and that's where it needs to be tightened up. And

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Speaker 2: so to answer your question, it really comes down to

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Speaker 2: the individual on site. You need to get the skills

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Speaker 2: on site, and often the skills aren't on site, and

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Speaker 2: sometimes they aren't with the owner of the business either.

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Speaker 2: You need both.

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Speaker 1: Is it worth chasing people for money or finding them

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Speaker 1: when your house isn't built properly and you're upset about that,

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Speaker 1: and do you really care that Bob's going to get

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Speaker 1: a fine down the road?

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Speaker 2: Well give some sort of confidence to home owners that

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Speaker 2: there is some punitive penalty there. But again, I think

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Speaker 2: the problem that needs to be solved is the skills

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Speaker 2: and raising the bar for entry to trade qualification for

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Speaker 2: builders will solve a lot of.

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Speaker 1: That, all right, Malcolm, appreciate your insight. Malcolm Fleming, who

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Speaker 1: is with the Cudipune Builders Association.

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