1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Just gone twelve minutes after five later's not happy. The 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Justice Select Committee has finished work on the Treaty Principal's 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Bill a month early. It's apparently going to deliver its 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: report tomorrow. It means some submissions will be left on 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: the cutting room floor because staff haven't got time to 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: read the bill read them all, I should say, Duncan 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: Webstey just a spokesperson with me tonight. 8 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: Hi, Duncan, good to be here. 9 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: So first you said this is the most dangerous debate 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: we could be having. Now you want it to go longer. 11 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: Well, look, if we're going to have it, I think 12 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: parliamentary process doing things right is so important. I don't 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: like this bill, I hate it. I want it gone. 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: But if we're going to invite people to have the 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: essay there's actually that's the critically important thing, then we 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: should give them that full opportunity. And I saw boxes 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: of submissions that hadn't been processed, that no one had 18 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: the opportunity to read unless they went and rifled through 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: the boxes themselves, like I did before. We were back 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: to the house, and we've still got five weeks on 21 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: the clock. We didn't have to have it reported back 22 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: at all. 23 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, But why do you want it to go on 24 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: for so much longer? If it's so dangerous and divisive? 25 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: I don't understand. Wouldn't you want this thing to be 26 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: wrapped up and done and dusted and out of everyone's hair? 27 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: Well? Because when I went down and looked at those 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: submissions that hadn't yet been processed, there were handwritten submissions 29 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: from old people. There were intermediate schools with colored drawings. 30 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: Now they know is it dangerous or not? That doesn't 31 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: sound very dangerous to me. That sounds actually quite healthy. 32 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: That sounds like a democracy. Were you wrong to begin with? 33 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: Duncan at least get least get the distinction? Right? I 34 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: believe in democracy, which means that everyone. 35 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: You did when this process started, did you because you 36 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: said it shouldn't have happened. 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: The bill should not have happened. The bill is divisive, 38 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: so irresponsible. It was irresponsible to introduce it. But once 39 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: you start the parliamentary train rolling, you don't stop it 40 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: halfway down the track. You let it run its course. 41 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: And what what the government parties have done here is 42 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: they really don't like well, the National Party doesn't like 43 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: it as well. They're deeply embarrassed by it, so they 44 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 2: want to move it along. But people deserve the essay. Look, 45 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: there was twenty thousand Hobson's plage. 46 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: It's hard missions in. 47 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: There, and they deserve to have the essay as much 48 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: as they the intermediate since pledge. 49 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: So you don't know if you're Arthur or Martha Duncan. 50 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: One minute it's dangerous, the next minute you're wanting to 51 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: read Hobson's pledge. 52 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: I want every I want everyone in New Zealand to 53 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: be given a fair crack and a fairsay, all right now, 54 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: and even if I despise their views, and that's a 55 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: really important value. Democracy. 56 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: Is what number have we called? Is this the same 57 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: dunk in the web? Appreciate I think I appreciate you. 58 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: I think you get my story. 59 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: Thanks all right, Just a spokesperson for the Labor Party. 60 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 61 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 62 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.