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Speaker 1: A jaffl is a South African and Australian name for

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Speaker 1: a sealed, closed toasted sandwich, which is made with a

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Speaker 1: jaffle iron that clamps the bread and filling together, creating

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Speaker 1: sealed edges and often a pattern on the bread. Megan

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Speaker 1: thank you thirteen away from five Barry Soaper, senior political

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Speaker 1: correspondence with us Aller Barry.

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Speaker 2: I've had many Jeffels in my life, Heather, have you, though, yes,

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Speaker 2: I have. I know exactly what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to know whether you're lying or not, which

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Speaker 1: is not great for a so called trusted broadcast anyway.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the government bringing for the

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Speaker 1: policy on the doll for the kids.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a bit of an announcement of an announcement

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Speaker 2: because I knew about it in the budget. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: why they were planning. But it's been fleshed out a bit,

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Speaker 2: which is good. That anyone earning more than sixty five

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year they'll be required to support their

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Speaker 2: unemployed eighteen or nineteen year olds. Now, sixty five grand

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Speaker 2: a year is not a lot of money, as we know,

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Speaker 2: and if you've got an eighteen year old boy who

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Speaker 2: eats a supermarket full of food every day, have a

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Speaker 2: bit of a problem. But the point that Christopher Luxen

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Speaker 2: made at his post cabinet news conference is that look,

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Speaker 2: if you allow these people to go straight on to

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Speaker 2: the doll from school, which is shown to be the case,

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Speaker 2: there are fifteen eighteen to nineteen year olds on jobs

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Speaker 2: Seeker support at the moment, and another four thousand will

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Speaker 2: become eligible when the changes kick in. So there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of kids out there that are not working. And

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Speaker 2: the point that Christopher Luxen makes is that they should

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Speaker 2: shift for jobs now. I remember when I was a teenager,

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Speaker 2: I left home at seventeen, and you know, I was

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Speaker 2: a big enough boy to be away from home. And

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there are many eighteen year olds mature enough

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Speaker 2: these days to do likewise. But look, the budget document

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Speaker 2: show that will save the government about eighty four million

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Speaker 2: dollars a year. Well, Chris Luckson didn't put the figure

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Speaker 2: as high as that, but he did encourage young people

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Speaker 2: to move around the country. As I say, his message

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Speaker 2: to the eighteen and nineteen year olds is that we

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Speaker 2: love you. That's what he said. We love you, but

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Speaker 2: we don't want you can signed to a life of welfare.

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Speaker 3: The message very clearly is to all parentss, play your

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Speaker 3: part and get your young person out connected to work

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Speaker 3: or training or education. We're playing our part by saying, look,

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Speaker 3: that's just not a natural pathway that you just get

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Speaker 3: to drift on into welfare. We leave you there for

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Speaker 3: eighteen years is not going to happen. We want to

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Speaker 3: do everything we can to support you into good jobs.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible that we've got this idea that it is

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Speaker 2: a welfare country. But you can live for so long

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Speaker 2: receiving a handout. I mean, I've never had a hand

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Speaker 2: up my life. I find it.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's not true. You get the winter energy payment,

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Speaker 1: don't you.

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Speaker 2: Oh true that men, don't you. Oh that's right. I'm

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Speaker 2: a trusted broadcaster too, so.

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Speaker 1: You're getting your own kind of hand out. But I

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Speaker 1: take your point, and yes, it is nutty. It is

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Speaker 1: nutty that we're raising this many kids who think they're

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Speaker 1: just sitting on your butt on the doll is a

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Speaker 1: perfectly good life.

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Speaker 2: Totally, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Hey, I'm struggling to understand what exactly do the

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Speaker 1: families of these three kids who are held in Israeli

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Speaker 1: detention want well.

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Speaker 2: I listened to the three of them and I'm not

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Speaker 2: quite sure. They obviously are being coached by the Greens,

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Speaker 2: because the Greens hosted them at a news conference today

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Speaker 2: and they piled on the government and said that the

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Speaker 2: government should be taking action against Israel. Now we know

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Speaker 2: that Chloe Swarbrick has got a bill and the biscuit

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Speaker 2: and for action to be taken, sanctions to be taken

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Speaker 2: against Israel, so they were pushing that there today Chloe

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Speaker 2: Swarbrick she lambasted the government for remaining silent on getting

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Speaker 2: the three, these three on the vertatilla back to New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: The government Christopher Luxen has a legal obligation under the

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Speaker 4: Genocide Convention to do everything that he possibly can to

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Speaker 4: prevent genocide, and right now he is refusing to disengage

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Speaker 4: from business as usual with Israel, who it is well documented,

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Speaker 4: are currently committing a genocide. These three New Zealanders were

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Speaker 4: operating entirely legally. Israel has not and our government has

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Speaker 4: a legal obligation to respond two years into this genocide

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Speaker 4: in Gaza. What is the hold up for our government?

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Speaker 4: By no for a fact that right now there are

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Speaker 4: backbench government MPs who feel compelled to act, who do

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Speaker 4: have a conscience, but they are currently terrified to step

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Speaker 4: outside of their party lines.

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Speaker 2: So what they were plugging there was that would take

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Speaker 2: six government MPs to cross the floor and support the bill,

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Speaker 2: and they would have a majority to pass it. But look,

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Speaker 2: Christopher Luxanada's news conference said that they have criticized and

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Speaker 2: they have roundly the reaction over reaction of Israel to

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Speaker 2: what has been happening in Gaza, and beyond that, I

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Speaker 2: don't know what New Zealand, a country five million people

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Speaker 2: at the bottom of the world, can do to stop

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Speaker 2: this action.

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Speaker 1: No, we could take things, we could impost that. Well,

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Speaker 1: none of the wild is right, so it's a failure

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Speaker 1: by everybody, but we don't.

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Speaker 2: Israel as not our main trading partner, but they do

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Speaker 2: have a lot of technological.

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Speaker 1: Yea, it is about collective action. Though, Hey, what do

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Speaker 1: you make of Adrian Or getting them of four hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixteen thousand dollars?

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Speaker 2: Well, if you listen to the Taxpayer's Union, so they

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Speaker 2: say that Adrian Or is an ill tempered bully whose

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Speaker 2: actions cost the taxpayer billions of dollars, So why should

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Speaker 2: he walk off with a handshake of almost half a

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Speaker 2: million dollars when he earns just under eight hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars a year, So that brought his final paypacket for

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Speaker 2: the year up to one point two million dollars, which

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Speaker 2: incidentally was about the same as he was earning when

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Speaker 2: he was at the Superannuation Fund. He probably wishes now

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Speaker 2: he had kept that job, but look, it's a restraint

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Speaker 2: of trade the four hundred and sixty thousand dollars years paid.

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Speaker 2: But it does you have to ask the question where

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Speaker 2: would a reserve bank governor go to be competitive in

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Speaker 2: the workplace and why should they have respond Where is

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Speaker 2: he going.

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Speaker 1: To go to it to an alternative central bank?

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Speaker 2: That's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: It's going to happen. Rys. That's because it's a crock,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. It's just a basically it's a shutting.

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Speaker 4: Look.

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Speaker 2: Every chief executive, which is essentially what he was, always

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Speaker 2: has in their contract a golden handshake written out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Barry, thanks very much, Barrys over, Senior political correspondent.

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