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Speaker 2: Hello, go to New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast number two sixty one four Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the tenth of December twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Is it's still still just yeah, it's another twenty days? Wait,

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Speaker 3: what's that? No, you just mentioned the date. What's the

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Speaker 3: date again? It's the tenth of December. So yeah, twenty

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Speaker 3: days today, that's we want to be panic.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one days remaining in this year. Boy rinted after

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Speaker 2: that show, it was there was there was a lot

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Speaker 2: going on on us. We went on a real journey

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Speaker 2: and we didn't do one of the subjects.

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Speaker 3: Do we mention it now? Oh, we have to because

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Speaker 3: that's the whole point of it. So we were going

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Speaker 3: to talk about the duty old council taking or demolishing

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Speaker 3: the kids bike jumps that they had created themselves in

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Speaker 3: totong or was it in totong A.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't get to that because we we we

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Speaker 2: were eviscerating people that don't pay back their student loans

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Speaker 2: and go overseas for two hours.

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Speaker 3: Well, we were not so much us but the callers.

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Speaker 2: But it was a great chat and Tyler admitted that

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Speaker 2: he supports criminal activity and the show really took a

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Speaker 2: turn there with the levels of abuse that were coming

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Speaker 2: in for you, Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there'll be some BSA complaints so and probably an

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Speaker 3: audit from the ID. But that's right, that's right. I

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Speaker 3: asked for it.

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Speaker 2: And Tom sains rejoins us as well, and he's always

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Speaker 2: a great New Zealand to the chat too.

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Speaker 3: Great show, so download, subscribe and give us a review. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and if you're an Auckland tonight I'm performing in

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Speaker 2: the Christmas play Christmas and Chaos.

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Speaker 3: No a Christmas Crisis, a Christmas Crisis. You've got your script?

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Speaker 3: Throw it doesn't it?

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Speaker 4: Does?

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Speaker 3: He have the title on the script. It's got your

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Speaker 3: your lines and I know you're diligent. Yeah, you've got

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Speaker 3: to do some dancing between somewhere. Yep.

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Speaker 2: It's at the Key Theater. I think there's a couple

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Speaker 2: of tickets left. There's a few tickets left if you

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Speaker 2: want come along to that. It should be a hell

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Speaker 2: of a good time. Written by Tom Sainsbury.

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Speaker 3: It looks like a brilliant show, so get in early

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Speaker 3: but a panto, all right, do you seem busy?

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Speaker 2: Will let you listen to the podcast, give a taste

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Speaker 2: to keepy from us?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: Then love you the big stories, the big issues, the

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Speaker 1: big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler

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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

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Speaker 3: Be very good afternoon cheer. Welcome into a Wednesday show.

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Speaker 3: So good to have you with us as always now,

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Speaker 3: Matt Heath, Yes, Tyler Adams, I see you're looking a

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Speaker 3: bit stressed over there, made a little bit nervous. You've

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Speaker 3: got a whole bunch of papers in your hand and

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Speaker 3: it appears to be some sort of script.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, look, I'm totally focused on the show and

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Speaker 2: zioned in, but I'm also performing in a play tonight

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Speaker 2: at the Q Theater, Our Good Christmas and Crisis, a

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Speaker 2: play written by Tom Sainsbury. And so I've got a

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Speaker 2: lot of lines here to make sure I know before

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Speaker 2: opening night tonight. And yeah, so this is my first line. Yep,

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Speaker 2: wee must welcome dear friends. Were just lovers and foes.

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Speaker 2: Here's a Christmas detale of four different woes.

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Speaker 3: And then I've got pages and pages. There's about three

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Speaker 3: hundred lines and there you nailed that first one. But

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Speaker 3: I was reading that. God speak to you, man, I mean,

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Speaker 3: have you you've done it by memory? Would you get

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Speaker 3: to take that into the theater with you? Look, we'll

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Speaker 3: see how we go, and apparently can I can I

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Speaker 3: mention this there as you were reading it you didn't

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Speaker 3: realize yourself, but about midway through the script that's required

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Speaker 3: that you stand up and dance. Yeah, I didn't know

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm going to have to do

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Speaker 3: We'll go. Well, mate, I'm looking forward to coming on down.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to buy a ticket just to sit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's close to sold out. Where can

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Speaker 3: So if you go to Q Theater dot co, dot

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Speaker 3: nd it and search for a Christmas crisis. But you're right,

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Speaker 3: these bugger all tickets left for the opening night. You're

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Speaker 2: Okay, but look, I'll put the script aside and I'll

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Speaker 2: focus on the key issue for keywis that we're discussing on.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Well, just a quick preview to the show. After

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Speaker 3: So there's a story in the detail which looks into

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Speaker 3: all the complaints that councils are received over the last year.

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Speaker 3: So there's the regular ones, the roadworks are up there,

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Speaker 3: about the booms. It's council property. Why aren't you sorting it?

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Speaker 3: I'm going to drown it and round up people just

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Speaker 2: What kind of person doesn't, what kind of property owner

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Speaker 2: It's there's something about mowing your berm that's so meditative,

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Speaker 2: go crazy on their berms and they plant things. There's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, burn pride. That is after three o'clock. After two

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Speaker 3: bike track and Totonger has been described as devastating and

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Speaker 3: A City Council in less than an hour without any consultation.

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Speaker 3: The tracks and the jumps were built by the children

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Speaker 3: It's too safe. But obviously parents are saying pull your

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Speaker 2: I mean, so some kids, in this time of hanging

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Speaker 2: that's awesome, how good? How fantastic for the community. It's

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Speaker 2: They're like, nah, shut it down. So are we just

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Speaker 2: making things too safe for key we kids? Because making

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Speaker 2: So isn't this exactly the kind of thing that we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to be a great chat after two o'clock,

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Speaker 3: But right now, let's have a chat about student debt

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Speaker 3: and student loans. The Green Party seys it' stoping New

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Speaker 3: Zealanders coming home for Christmas. It's surveyed around four hundred

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Speaker 3: Spokesperson Lawrence zu Nan. He spoke to a Ryan Bridge

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Speaker 6: I think the main thing with the report is that

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Speaker 6: a non parlatan solution to it as an inquiry to

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Speaker 6: the SOLIDT Committee.

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Speaker 3: Right, is it a problem that they're not coming home?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think anyone who you know, obviously New Zealanders

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Speaker 6: For a lot of them, as you's seeing the report,

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Speaker 3: Extent what exactly about it was out of the control.

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Speaker 6: This is why they were asking for inquiry because there

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Speaker 4: Number one.

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Speaker 6: One of the things we look at is the fact

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Speaker 6: That's one perspective. The other perspective they simply are not.

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Speaker 6: Then by idea they have a long a number of

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Speaker 2: So should overseas kiwis be charged for these student loans

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Speaker 2: should they as a difficult This is what the inquiry

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Speaker 2: this is what the inquiry would look at. Whether the

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Speaker 2: Whether the current system contributes to a brain drain, options

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Speaker 2: for modernizing repayment system for the global workforce. So I

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Speaker 2: don't know, like the taxpayer is covering these student loans

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Speaker 2: at this point, right, And a university degree is what

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Speaker 2: you pay when you borrow the money when the government

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Speaker 2: a small percentage of degree. So what they're kind of

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Speaker 2: they go overseas and don't pay it, then that's where

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Speaker 2: what we should be worrying about. We should be having

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Speaker 3: That's what the Green Party is saying.

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Speaker 2: And I get the brain drain thing because say someone

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Speaker 2: if they've been very successful overseas and we want them

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just running through this on my in my

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Speaker 3: head because obviously the incentive to stay here as you've

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Speaker 3: get yet interest free student loan. I had that with mine.

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Speaker 3: I stayed in the country and I paid mine off,

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Speaker 3: and maintain that interest free benefit, but you've got to

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Speaker 3: with that because that's allowing young Kiwis to maybe get

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Speaker 3: That would have helped.

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Speaker 2: That's before they got rid of interest. So it's already

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Speaker 2: But you buy them arguably apart from that case, to

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then not only that, but you get to pay

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Speaker 3: It's not a bad deal.

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Speaker 2: And if you go overseas then you have to pay

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean that's the confusing part about the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that the idea that these are the smartest

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Speaker 2: If that's your thing. They couldn't work out how much

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, eight hundred's written on the bit of paper

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Speaker 3: I one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety

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Speaker 2: I tell her, I know, mate, I've got a mate

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Speaker 3: He's not coming home for Christmas.

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Speaker 2: I love him, yeah, but I don't have a lot

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Speaker 3: For It's seventeen pass one big, very shortly, the.

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Speaker 3: Be twenty past one. So the Green Party wants an

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Speaker 3: because they haven't paid it back. What do you say

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying a lot of sympathy right here. Seventy

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Speaker 3: Just pay your debts, fellers and girls.

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Speaker 2: I mean, anytime I've had debts, I'm worried or extremely

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they guys have a good mate.

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Speaker 5: It's having me on.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for giving us a buzz. So what do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Should they should we be be leaning in on these

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Speaker 5: Nah, not at all?

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Speaker 7: The investing in there in the education for themselves to

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Speaker 2: So so how long did that take?

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Speaker 3: How long did that take you?

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Speaker 7: That could be you know, twenty something years to pay

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Speaker 3: So you so just go back a little bit because

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Speaker 3: I missed that. So you are overseas for a period

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Speaker 8: Yeah, to be.

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Speaker 7: Classic q EO for a couple of years living in Louptontown.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yes, So now I now have a child

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Speaker 2: that's off the UNI. Oh yeah right, And so is

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Speaker 9: Loans only for we?

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Speaker 7: Actually probably not. My wife and I have decided that

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Speaker 7: actually worked hard for himself, so he should be able

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Speaker 7: which is current savings.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, if.

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Speaker 7: some of their debt further down the track a good

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about this right now, and I haven't

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Speaker 7: A little bone of contenson at the moment. But hey,

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Speaker 4: And careers to do that that luxury back of the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what era did you go to university in, Nigel?

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Speaker 7: So I was in the late nineties, the.

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Speaker 3: Right, So.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good, yes, good good, good good people in target,

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Speaker 2: good place to go to university.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, terrible behavior but a great time.

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Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, you know a couches bent a certain amount

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Speaker 2: But but you would so you wouldn't have been that

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Speaker 7: I was, I was a time where you could obviously

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Speaker 9: But we're also.

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Speaker 7: Paying interest on that amount as well.

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Speaker 10: So my bed's.

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Speaker 9: Interested to try and yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 7: Could you know, and it wor I'll always worked so

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Speaker 2: Can you remember what the interest was before they they

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Speaker 3: Interest somewhere around Yes, so there was that's high.

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Speaker 2: So at that point there were being a reasonably tough

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Speaker 3: It was a good business.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think what happened was that it used

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Speaker 2: good on you, Nigel. I just paid yours off. So

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Speaker 7: It's called budgetings, and they're investing in themselves in New

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Speaker 7: that that we're done, and in some stage most chemis

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Speaker 7: do come back to live in New Zealand and if

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Speaker 7: wilds that we gets as chemis, and they should pay

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Speaker 7: the texts at the cord only and pay their pit back.

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Speaker 2: You're not worried about the brain drain factor that the

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Speaker 7: Look, I've got those genius that are making a lot

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Speaker 3: Yeah if and you know they studied accountancy. I don't

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Speaker 3: That's a good point. Thank you so much for your call, Nigel.

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Speaker 3: It is twenty five past one taking your calls on

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Beggary surely.

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Speaker 1: Lines and the hard questions. It's the mic casking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: Back to the business of RMA reform. Chris Bishop is

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Speaker 11: the RMA reform Minister. Now this requires counsels to plan.

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Speaker 11: Is it thirty years in advance?

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Speaker 4: Yes, spacial plans will be thirty years in its now.

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Speaker 11: Have we ever in this country planned thirty years in

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Speaker 11: advance for anything?

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Speaker 3: Well, Auckland is required to do a spacial plan now.

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Speaker 12: But the types of plans we're talking about, the answer

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Speaker 13: Do you have.

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Speaker 3: Confidence we can?

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Speaker 11: It cost us millions to make plans, and we fight

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Speaker 12: And that's why we're making the plan making process a

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen on the My Asking Breakfast Back tomorrow

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Speaker 3: Twenty eight pass once we're talking about student debt overseas.

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Speaker 3: The Greens want some sort of inquiry because they say,

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Speaker 3: want to come home for Christmas because they haven't paid

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Speaker 2: Eighty one percent of them are feeling anxious at this

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Speaker 2: back at home and and they're behind. So when you

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Speaker 2: go overseas, these are the minimum and your repayments, and

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Speaker 2: you can see why they don't. They don't tie it

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Speaker 2: to earnings overseas because it's hard for us to know

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Speaker 2: what the earnings are overseas. So up to fifteen thousand

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Speaker 2: student loan, you pay three thousand dollars per year. Fifteen

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Speaker 2: a year, and over sixty K the minimum repayment is

440
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Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars per year.

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Speaker 3: And then there's interest yes as well. So I've just

442
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Speaker 3: had a look at that interest rate that if you're overseas,

443
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Speaker 3: and they change it each year, but the start of

444
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Speaker 3: this year it's four point nine percent per year.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know we're talking to Nigel before and this

446
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Speaker 2: text of Bill's got a really good point. So we

447
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Speaker 2: were talking about how when student loans first came in,

448
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Speaker 2: they were there was you had to pay interest on them.

449
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Speaker 2: It was around eight percent that you were paying before

450
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Speaker 2: they made it interest free. But mortgage rates were twenty

451
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Speaker 2: percentage back there in the early nineties, so an eight

452
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Speaker 2: percent student loan would have being seen as a bit

453
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Speaker 2: of a bargain back there. It just seems like a

454
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Speaker 2: huge percentage today and interest right now. Yeah, our way

455
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Speaker 2: of thinking this, this text has a really good point.

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Speaker 2: The Green minister is off the planet. These overseas ex

457
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Speaker 2: students aren't even contributing towards tax funding that pays for

458
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Speaker 2: the loan as they're working over offshore, not New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Good point.

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Speaker 2: It's a simple stay overseas and dodge your debt and

461
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Speaker 2: responsibility which will one day catch up with you, or

462
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Speaker 2: come home, pay your debt and then feel free to

463
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Speaker 2: buger off again. But for the bleeding heart to come

464
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Speaker 2: out and say, oh but it's Christmas, I'm sorry on

465
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Speaker 2: this one. I'm going to be the Christmas Grinch.

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Speaker 3: Great text, that one. Keep them coming through. On nine

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Speaker 3: two ninety two, we've got the headlines coming up. Then

468
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Speaker 3: after that we're have a chat to Carol and she

469
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Speaker 3: says this dries her absolutely nuts, so she's fired up

470
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Speaker 3: about it. To that next.

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Speaker 2: I'm not seeing a lot of sympathy in the in

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Speaker 2: the in the text machine or on the call so

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Speaker 2: so far so do you have sympathy e one hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty for people that have run up

475
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Speaker 2: a student loan, have gone overseas and have got behind

476
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Speaker 2: in their repayments to the point where kid to come

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Speaker 2: home just in case they're get in trouble.

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Speaker 3: Come on through twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 14: Deuce talks evy headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no

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Speaker 14: trouble with a blue bubble.

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Speaker 15: A report's revealed six hundred and eight million women across

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Speaker 15: the world aged fifteen and older were subjected to intimate

483
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Speaker 15: partner violence. In twenty twenty three, the parole boards lifted

484
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Speaker 15: double murderer Mark Lundy's curfew. Is now allowed to speak

485
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Speaker 15: to journalists and can visit social media sites. He was

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Speaker 15: released from prison in May. Fire and emergency were called

487
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Speaker 15: to a well involved house fire on Paddington Street today

488
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Speaker 15: in christ Church's Northkite. It hasn't been flagged as suspicious.

489
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Speaker 15: The tourism sectors looking healthy heading into summer. Statsn's figure

490
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Speaker 15: show overseas arrivals reached ninety three percent of pre COVID

491
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Speaker 15: levels in October. Wellington's controversial city to see Bridge maybe

492
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Speaker 15: getting a reprieve from demolition plans because of changes to

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Speaker 15: the quake prone building system. Holiday and kee we Cop

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Speaker 15: from Waikato has been thanked for helping in the tar

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Speaker 15: of London when protest has plung custard and fruit crumble

496
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Speaker 15: at the Crown Jewels on Saturday inside the one hundred

497
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Speaker 15: million dollar Kota Hitanga Fund bid to scale the Marii economy.

498
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Speaker 15: You can read more at inzid Herald Premium. Back to

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Speaker 15: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we are talking

501
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Speaker 3: about student debts. This is after the Green Party wants

502
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Speaker 3: a parliamentary inquiry because they say that that debt is

503
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Speaker 3: stopping New Zealanders coming home for Christmas.

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Speaker 2: This Texas says, if these people are so smart, surely

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Speaker 2: they are working in jobs that can afford three k

506
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Speaker 2: per year. It's their problem, know something at all? I

507
00:23:55,973 --> 00:23:57,693
Speaker 2: mean that is a little bit of a problem here

508
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Speaker 2: because the Green Party is wanting us to believe that

509
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Speaker 2: not only are these people so smart that we need

510
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Speaker 2: them home to combat the brain drain, that we have

511
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Speaker 2: to believe that, but they're so smart that we need

512
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Speaker 2: them back. But they weren't smart enough to understand the

513
00:24:16,173 --> 00:24:19,413
Speaker 2: loan problems when they were leaving the country or the

514
00:24:19,453 --> 00:24:21,973
Speaker 2: loan obligations when they're leaving the country, and they're also

515
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Speaker 2: not successful enough over there to pay their loan back.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, is this really? Is this really the

517
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Speaker 2: brightest and best?

518
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Speaker 3: Does they seem like it? Are they?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: Bless them? The sixth you should always have empathy for

521
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Speaker 2: those who are in trouble. As a taxpayer, I would

522
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Speaker 2: have no problem with helping these young people pay off

523
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Speaker 2: their debts so they can come home. These are our

524
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Speaker 2: smartest and brightest. I'm pushing back. I don't know if

525
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Speaker 2: they are our smartest and brightest. And if you've got

526
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Speaker 2: no problem as a taxpayer paying back, why would you

527
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Speaker 2: pay back their debt the people that have gone overseas

528
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Speaker 2: and aren't contributing through their tax dollars to New Zealand

529
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Speaker 2: to pay back the other eighty percent of what it

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Speaker 2: costs to educate them that they're not even owing owing.

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Speaker 3: Why would you do that.

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Speaker 2: Then and not pay for the pay off the loans

533
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Speaker 2: for the people that stay in New Zealand and contribute

534
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Speaker 2: to the tax poll for future people to be educated,

535
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Speaker 2: and for future people to borrow money, but you pay

536
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Speaker 2: off these people that have gone over say that. I

537
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Speaker 2: think you need to do a logic test. Text on

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Speaker 2: that text, a logic check on that text.

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Speaker 3: Text keep them going through A nine two nine to two, Carol,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 16: Hi guys, this comes from every year. It drives me nuts.

542
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Speaker 16: Those who are scared to come home signed a contract.

543
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Speaker 16: They have not returned the money, so it's effectively they

544
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Speaker 16: have stolen. The government has no money, so they've stolen

545
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Speaker 16: from the taxpayer. They all need to put their big

546
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Speaker 16: boy and girl pants on and pay up. If they

547
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Speaker 16: had loaned you or I, let's say fifty grand, do

548
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Speaker 16: you think they'd want the money back? And why shouldn't

549
00:26:06,053 --> 00:26:07,933
Speaker 16: we want the money back? Because every single one of

550
00:26:07,973 --> 00:26:12,773
Speaker 16: them would say, I'm sorry, Carol, I lent you fifty grand.

551
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Speaker 16: When are you paying me back? There is absolutely no excuse.

552
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Speaker 16: They signed a contract, they made a deal with us,

553
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Speaker 16: every single one of us who live here, and they're

554
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Speaker 16: coming back and saying, oh, I can't come home for

555
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Speaker 16: Christmas because I have broken there all. But also the

556
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Speaker 16: government stupid. We had COVID. We had thousands of people

557
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Speaker 16: come back who were put in hotels for a week

558
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Speaker 16: or two weeks or whatever the timeline was. And the

559
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Speaker 16: ID who was asked often, why are you not having

560
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Speaker 16: conversations with these people who are coming back, who are

561
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Speaker 16: us money and they didn't want to upset people because

562
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Speaker 16: of COVID. I'm sorry, What.

563
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Speaker 2: Did COVID have to do with upsetting them on debt?

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Speaker 2: That's a weird, weird mass, isn't it? Like COVID is

565
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Speaker 2: so bad that people couldn't discuss anything else. I mean,

566
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Speaker 2: talk to people in the trenches, the trench that used

567
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Speaker 2: to have to deal with multiple things, multiple threats at

568
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Speaker 2: the same time. Do you worry at all? Do you

569
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Speaker 2: worry it all, Carol? About the brain drain part of it?

570
00:27:16,613 --> 00:27:19,413
Speaker 2: That we've got these brightest and best that are that

571
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Speaker 2: are want to come home, and they want to have families,

572
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Speaker 2: and we do need more people in the country, and

573
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Speaker 2: we do want expats to come home. Are you worried

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Speaker 2: that we're missing out on those people coming home because

575
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Speaker 2: they're scared because they now owe too much money?

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Speaker 16: No, not in an effect, because I don't want I mean,

577
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Speaker 16: they're thieves, So do we want thieves back in the country.

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Speaker 16: It doesn't matter how brainy they are or how high

579
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Speaker 16: they're so called education or what they're earning now they

580
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Speaker 16: have stolen from the people.

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Speaker 5: What about it soon to pay it that?

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Speaker 3: Yep, And I think that it's a lot of logic there.

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Speaker 3: But what about an incentive that they can go away

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Speaker 3: and train up or try and get some greater skills

585
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Speaker 3: and earn more money overseas. But that incentive is say

586
00:28:04,293 --> 00:28:06,933
Speaker 3: you get interest free for three years, and at that point,

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00:28:06,933 --> 00:28:09,653
Speaker 3: if you don't come home and use those skills to

588
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Speaker 3: help this country, then we'll lump the interest back on.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's that carrot versus the stick approach that sometimes sometimes

591
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Speaker 3: can be beneficial.

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Speaker 16: Yes, that is a good idea, but when there's the

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Speaker 16: Green Party are wanting us to assist them, Well, if

594
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Speaker 16: you're going to assist, let's say there's just ten thousand

595
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Speaker 16: of them overseas, then you need to actually give a

596
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Speaker 16: payment to every other person who actually took out a loan,

597
00:28:34,973 --> 00:28:38,533
Speaker 16: stayed here and paid it off. They're the ones who

598
00:28:38,533 --> 00:28:42,253
Speaker 16: should get priority, not the ones who are thieves.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's simple.

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Speaker 2: I guess I can say sort of a bit of

601
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Speaker 2: a problem with your idea there, Tyler, But then you'd

602
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Speaker 2: be incentivizing people to just gap it as soon as

603
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Speaker 2: they've got their degree. And as we're putting out, eighty

604
00:28:52,973 --> 00:28:56,533
Speaker 2: percent of your degree is paid for. You know, the

605
00:28:56,533 --> 00:28:59,853
Speaker 2: alone only covers a small percentage of the cost it

606
00:28:59,893 --> 00:29:02,573
Speaker 2: takes to put you through university. Right, so if you've

607
00:29:02,613 --> 00:29:04,573
Speaker 2: got that three years, then you're going to centivize people

608
00:29:04,613 --> 00:29:07,213
Speaker 2: to gap it straight after university, and then if they

609
00:29:07,293 --> 00:29:09,453
Speaker 2: really succeed overseas, then they're not going to come back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. You'd have to offer a sweeter deal

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Speaker 3: for people to stay here. And I don't know what

612
00:29:13,293 --> 00:29:15,573
Speaker 3: that sweeter deal is because it's already pretty sweet and

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Speaker 3: forest free. It's not a bad deal. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for you call Carol. Appreciate it. Oh eight

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 3: call if you have got into trouble with your student

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Speaker 3: loan overseas. Love to hear from you. What are your

618
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Speaker 3: thoughts on this and how the Green Party wants us

619
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Speaker 3: to all forgive some of that debt. Love to hear

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Speaker 3: from You nine two ninety two's the text.

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Speaker 2: This is an interesting point. Shouldn't they not be allowed

622
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Speaker 2: to leave the country until the loan is paid off?

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Speaker 2: Or so they should be signed up to work in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand for a said amount of years to give

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Speaker 2: back to the country the part of their education that

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Speaker 2: they haven't covered in their low Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Interesting point.

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Speaker 2: So if you've run up one hundred thousand dollars loan,

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Speaker 2: you know, let's just say, I'm just pulling that number

630
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Speaker 2: out of my butt. That'll be at the upper range. Yep,

631
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Speaker 2: and you haven't paid it back. Should you be allowed

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Speaker 2: to leave the country. I guess that's I guess it's

633
00:29:59,813 --> 00:30:01,573
Speaker 2: hard to say why someone's leaving the country. They might

634
00:30:01,613 --> 00:30:03,333
Speaker 2: just be going on a holiday to the Goldie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, true, Yeah, I mean maybe a bit of

636
00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:07,893
Speaker 3: a down payment before they go to Fiji. Yeah, yeah,

637
00:30:08,333 --> 00:30:11,173
Speaker 3: it's just twenty percent. I can see some facial extent.

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00:30:11,453 --> 00:30:15,973
Speaker 3: It is nineteen to two, Beggary, surely Matt Heath Taylor

639
00:30:16,013 --> 00:30:19,093
Speaker 3: Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on Matt Heath

640
00:30:19,133 --> 00:30:22,653
Speaker 3: and Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks. The'd be it is

641
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Speaker 3: sixteen to two. So the Green Party is calling for

642
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Speaker 3: a parliamentary inquiry into the debt that overseas former students

643
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Speaker 3: have because they can't pay it back, they say, and

644
00:30:31,573 --> 00:30:33,293
Speaker 3: they don't want to come home or they can't come

645
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Speaker 3: home for Christmas.

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Speaker 2: And was in a great brain drain. But at the

647
00:30:36,933 --> 00:30:39,213
Speaker 2: same time, they has believe that they didn't understand the

648
00:30:39,213 --> 00:30:42,333
Speaker 2: conditions of their loan when they left. Meet them halfway,

649
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Speaker 2: says this texta wave interest of actively paying it back

650
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Speaker 2: at required rate per year double interest of not paying

651
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Speaker 2: it back. The problem is because they're overseas, they're not

652
00:30:50,813 --> 00:30:54,253
Speaker 2: paying their way in tax generally, so they're not helping

653
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Speaker 2: the widest system that funds the student loan interestry free

654
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Speaker 2: student loans and funds education in general, which they've profited

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Speaker 2: off in New Zealand. Yeah, and paying their tax to

656
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Speaker 2: another country's education system.

657
00:31:06,853 --> 00:31:08,853
Speaker 3: And further that, I'm sure I've got the right because

658
00:31:08,933 --> 00:31:11,493
Speaker 3: I've known people in this situation that if you ring

659
00:31:11,573 --> 00:31:13,773
Speaker 3: up ird and so I've got myself into trouble with

660
00:31:13,813 --> 00:31:15,853
Speaker 3: my student debt, but I really love to come home

661
00:31:15,893 --> 00:31:18,493
Speaker 3: and work out a payment plan, then that is all

662
00:31:18,533 --> 00:31:21,573
Speaker 3: you need to do so effectively. Who they're talking about

663
00:31:21,573 --> 00:31:25,653
Speaker 3: here is students who will never ring ird. They're trying

664
00:31:25,693 --> 00:31:28,373
Speaker 3: to shirk away and they don't want to front up

665
00:31:28,413 --> 00:31:30,533
Speaker 3: and say yep, I'm sorry, oh this money let me,

666
00:31:30,693 --> 00:31:32,573
Speaker 3: let's let's sort it out. They don't want to do

667
00:31:32,653 --> 00:31:34,613
Speaker 3: that because as soon as they do that, they can

668
00:31:34,653 --> 00:31:37,693
Speaker 3: come over for Christmas. They can they can see the family.

669
00:31:37,813 --> 00:31:39,213
Speaker 3: But what do you say, Oh one hundred and eighty

670
00:31:39,213 --> 00:31:41,973
Speaker 3: ten eighty Kate, you've got two boys overseas.

671
00:31:42,573 --> 00:31:43,813
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, hi, both of you.

672
00:31:43,933 --> 00:31:46,733
Speaker 18: It's an interesting conversation. I'm just busy looking a bit

673
00:31:46,773 --> 00:31:48,333
Speaker 18: of lunch. I'm on a lunch break.

674
00:31:48,493 --> 00:31:49,333
Speaker 3: What are you having for lunch?

675
00:31:49,453 --> 00:31:49,653
Speaker 4: Kate?

676
00:31:49,733 --> 00:31:52,053
Speaker 3: If you don't asking you so, I don't.

677
00:31:51,893 --> 00:31:53,053
Speaker 18: Have to do it when I get home. It is

678
00:31:53,213 --> 00:31:56,013
Speaker 18: baking hot in the wire apper at the moment, so

679
00:31:56,373 --> 00:31:57,653
Speaker 18: I thought I'll get to you on early. Then I

680
00:31:57,693 --> 00:31:59,653
Speaker 18: don't have to do it after work. I have a sandwich.

681
00:31:59,973 --> 00:32:03,453
Speaker 18: Then it just brings you. Both My boys are overseas.

682
00:32:03,773 --> 00:32:06,293
Speaker 18: They both worked very hard before they went and paid

683
00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:10,373
Speaker 18: off their student loans because we've always been instilled in them.

684
00:32:10,373 --> 00:32:12,293
Speaker 18: You know, it's not good to have that hanging over you,

685
00:32:12,333 --> 00:32:15,173
Speaker 18: and it just adds complications.

686
00:32:14,413 --> 00:32:15,013
Speaker 19: To your life.

687
00:32:15,173 --> 00:32:17,813
Speaker 18: And luckily, my eldest boy got a job here and

688
00:32:17,853 --> 00:32:20,013
Speaker 18: the head offices in London, so he was able to

689
00:32:20,053 --> 00:32:22,373
Speaker 18: transfer and get some expense over there. But my other

690
00:32:22,453 --> 00:32:25,333
Speaker 18: boy went over there because he just couldn't find work here.

691
00:32:25,813 --> 00:32:29,453
Speaker 18: He worked really hard, got excellences in his degree and

692
00:32:29,573 --> 00:32:32,653
Speaker 18: couldn't get work, you know, for all that hard work.

693
00:32:32,693 --> 00:32:35,413
Speaker 18: And so he's now living the high life in Scotland.

694
00:32:35,533 --> 00:32:39,053
Speaker 3: So is he would he want to come home now?

695
00:32:39,653 --> 00:32:39,853
Speaker 4: You know?

696
00:32:40,053 --> 00:32:40,213
Speaker 14: Oh?

697
00:32:40,293 --> 00:32:42,373
Speaker 18: I think both of them will eventually. I think the

698
00:32:42,373 --> 00:32:44,533
Speaker 18: big lad is planning to come home next year. He's

699
00:32:44,613 --> 00:32:46,013
Speaker 18: kind of at the age now where he wants to

700
00:32:46,013 --> 00:32:48,493
Speaker 18: put down some routes that the younger Swan is sort

701
00:32:48,493 --> 00:32:51,533
Speaker 18: of living his life for a wee while and he's

702
00:32:51,773 --> 00:32:54,613
Speaker 18: They're able to because they've both got British pathports through me,

703
00:32:54,693 --> 00:32:56,413
Speaker 18: which makes makes it a lot easier.

704
00:32:56,533 --> 00:32:58,933
Speaker 2: So when you say they worked really hard to pay

705
00:32:58,973 --> 00:33:01,893
Speaker 2: it and they pay it faster than they're required rate.

706
00:33:02,013 --> 00:33:04,493
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, because you know, I said, look, you know,

707
00:33:04,493 --> 00:33:06,573
Speaker 18: if you can do it, let's paid off. You don't

708
00:33:06,573 --> 00:33:09,213
Speaker 18: want this dogging you and then you can go anywhere

709
00:33:09,253 --> 00:33:11,333
Speaker 18: in the world and you haven't got this hanging over

710
00:33:11,373 --> 00:33:12,733
Speaker 18: you like the Sordo demoicles.

711
00:33:12,813 --> 00:33:13,013
Speaker 10: You know.

712
00:33:13,213 --> 00:33:14,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell long did it take?

713
00:33:15,133 --> 00:33:17,293
Speaker 18: Oh well, I'm not sure it was different for each

714
00:33:17,333 --> 00:33:20,093
Speaker 18: of them, but you know, they were determined and work

715
00:33:20,173 --> 00:33:22,533
Speaker 18: dolling to mud and yeah, very proud of them.

716
00:33:22,693 --> 00:33:25,173
Speaker 3: So are we talking a decade or five years or

717
00:33:25,213 --> 00:33:28,333
Speaker 3: three years or years well done? Because it's not easy,

718
00:33:28,333 --> 00:33:29,813
Speaker 3: as okid, I know. I mean, it took me a

719
00:33:29,813 --> 00:33:31,493
Speaker 3: long time to pay off mine and it wasn't there

720
00:33:31,493 --> 00:33:34,613
Speaker 3: but that large. So it's not easy to when you're

721
00:33:34,653 --> 00:33:35,893
Speaker 3: that age to pay it off.

722
00:33:36,413 --> 00:33:39,293
Speaker 18: But if you're determined, and we made it possible, so

723
00:33:39,373 --> 00:33:41,453
Speaker 18: our youngest especially was able to live at home for

724
00:33:41,493 --> 00:33:44,693
Speaker 18: a minimal amount and just to help him along his way,

725
00:33:44,773 --> 00:33:47,293
Speaker 18: just so he could, you know, get that paid off

726
00:33:47,293 --> 00:33:49,013
Speaker 18: and favor but the money and go and see.

727
00:33:48,813 --> 00:33:49,573
Speaker 17: The world for a bit.

728
00:33:49,613 --> 00:33:51,853
Speaker 18: But it just seems such a shame that we are

729
00:33:51,893 --> 00:33:56,413
Speaker 18: losing so many of our youngest and brightest and you know,

730
00:33:56,453 --> 00:33:59,693
Speaker 18: we've got my son's friend is actually he got a PhD.

731
00:33:59,853 --> 00:34:04,013
Speaker 18: And he's doing cancer research and went over to he wow,

732
00:34:04,173 --> 00:34:08,252
Speaker 18: you know here and yet he's so bright and had

733
00:34:08,453 --> 00:34:10,652
Speaker 18: so much promise, but just nothing here for them.

734
00:34:10,652 --> 00:34:11,533
Speaker 5: And it's so sad.

735
00:34:12,213 --> 00:34:13,893
Speaker 3: Are you are you? Lenisters?

736
00:34:15,373 --> 00:34:16,493
Speaker 17: Am I not sorry?

737
00:34:16,653 --> 00:34:17,213
Speaker 3: Lenisters?

738
00:34:18,453 --> 00:34:19,093
Speaker 18: Leanisters?

739
00:34:19,133 --> 00:34:19,493
Speaker 17: What's that?

740
00:34:20,013 --> 00:34:20,172
Speaker 4: Oh?

741
00:34:20,173 --> 00:34:23,252
Speaker 2: Well, just just this your your family's dedication to paying

742
00:34:23,253 --> 00:34:25,773
Speaker 2: off deck. It's a reference to game of Thrones that

743
00:34:25,853 --> 00:34:27,732
Speaker 2: Lenister always pays his debts.

744
00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:31,013
Speaker 18: My some would have resonated with that big time.

745
00:34:32,653 --> 00:34:37,533
Speaker 3: It's a good philosophy, big book.

746
00:34:38,853 --> 00:34:41,333
Speaker 18: The name is familiar to me. Yeah, but yeah, I

747
00:34:41,453 --> 00:34:43,813
Speaker 18: just it's just the way we are as a family.

748
00:34:43,853 --> 00:34:46,693
Speaker 18: We just, you know, we don't like having debt hanging

749
00:34:46,733 --> 00:34:48,973
Speaker 18: over it, so you work hard to swear it and

750
00:34:49,013 --> 00:34:49,893
Speaker 18: get on with your life.

751
00:34:49,973 --> 00:34:54,013
Speaker 3: So yeah, good, great family, Thank you very much. One

752
00:34:54,053 --> 00:34:55,973
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty. Teen eighty is the number to call.

753
00:34:56,093 --> 00:34:56,693
Speaker 3: I don't think.

754
00:34:56,573 --> 00:35:01,253
Speaker 2: I particularly worked hard specifically to pay off my student debt,

755
00:35:01,853 --> 00:35:04,773
Speaker 2: but I just started paying it off and then. And

756
00:35:04,853 --> 00:35:07,413
Speaker 2: I've always been a contractor, so I must have wilfully

757
00:35:07,413 --> 00:35:11,573
Speaker 2: decided to do it. My accountants did. Yeah, but it

758
00:35:11,693 --> 00:35:12,973
Speaker 2: just sort of just got paid off.

759
00:35:13,413 --> 00:35:13,573
Speaker 20: Yeah.

760
00:35:13,973 --> 00:35:16,413
Speaker 2: I was doing since working overseas and such.

761
00:35:16,493 --> 00:35:19,253
Speaker 3: You were, Yeah, so hard. Hard is probably the wrong

762
00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:22,133
Speaker 3: word there. It was a long time because I didn't

763
00:35:22,133 --> 00:35:23,973
Speaker 3: do any work. It just came straight out of my salary.

764
00:35:23,973 --> 00:35:26,413
Speaker 3: You're right, I had no say of it. It just

765
00:35:26,453 --> 00:35:28,453
Speaker 3: came out. But it took I think about fifteen years,

766
00:35:28,493 --> 00:35:31,212
Speaker 3: and maybe I had fifty k. But keen to hear

767
00:35:31,213 --> 00:35:32,933
Speaker 3: from you, I eight hundred and eighty ten eighties. That

768
00:35:33,133 --> 00:35:35,093
Speaker 3: number nine to nine. Two's the text that is eleven

769
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:35,373
Speaker 3: to two.

770
00:35:36,533 --> 00:35:40,093
Speaker 1: Matd Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

771
00:35:40,093 --> 00:35:42,733
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams

772
00:35:42,773 --> 00:35:44,453
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks Envy.

773
00:35:45,453 --> 00:35:47,533
Speaker 3: It is nine to two. This will fight up people.

774
00:35:47,973 --> 00:35:49,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, I asked, I have to have anyone else here

775
00:35:49,933 --> 00:35:53,333
Speaker 2: out there that has, you know, feelings of empathy for

776
00:35:53,373 --> 00:35:56,133
Speaker 2: this person, people you know along the lines of green

777
00:35:56,213 --> 00:35:59,812
Speaker 2: mp Shu nann Has says that we should be looking

778
00:35:59,853 --> 00:36:02,293
Speaker 2: at helping these people out that have dead overseas, and

779
00:36:03,133 --> 00:36:05,533
Speaker 2: he's very worried about them coming into Christmas. But this

780
00:36:05,573 --> 00:36:07,973
Speaker 2: isn't a person has a lot of sympathy. All people

781
00:36:07,973 --> 00:36:11,773
Speaker 2: who any to New Zealand now and haven't paid. Cancel

782
00:36:11,853 --> 00:36:15,293
Speaker 2: their passports and their visas when they arrive back. Put

783
00:36:15,333 --> 00:36:19,053
Speaker 2: them in prison until the cases is heard. But a

784
00:36:19,053 --> 00:36:20,253
Speaker 2: lot of them will pay fast.

785
00:36:20,413 --> 00:36:22,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's certainly the stick approach. It's a very big

786
00:36:22,813 --> 00:36:27,933
Speaker 3: stick approach. Yeah, if our prison's got room, Leslie, how

787
00:36:27,933 --> 00:36:32,413
Speaker 3: are you hey, good afternoon, and what's your thoughts about

788
00:36:32,453 --> 00:36:33,413
Speaker 3: the student loans?

789
00:36:33,893 --> 00:36:36,813
Speaker 21: Well, my thoughts are if my children hadn't paid back

790
00:36:36,853 --> 00:36:39,013
Speaker 21: their student loans. I wouldn't want them to come home

791
00:36:39,053 --> 00:36:43,973
Speaker 21: for Christmas. Really, I mean it around the Christmas table

792
00:36:43,973 --> 00:36:47,813
Speaker 21: with your children who are not using their obligations absolutely bizarre.

793
00:36:48,973 --> 00:36:50,173
Speaker 3: And do you have children?

794
00:36:51,293 --> 00:36:51,493
Speaker 22: Yes?

795
00:36:51,573 --> 00:36:54,172
Speaker 21: I have two. Both had student loans, not huge ones.

796
00:36:54,253 --> 00:36:57,853
Speaker 21: They were able to assist, but they I mean, that's

797
00:36:57,893 --> 00:36:59,732
Speaker 21: what you do. You pay back your debt.

798
00:37:00,933 --> 00:37:04,453
Speaker 2: So you would say, don't you come round the Christmas

799
00:37:04,453 --> 00:37:07,133
Speaker 2: table and show your face to the family while you

800
00:37:08,093 --> 00:37:09,933
Speaker 2: gaveing the taxpayer overseas.

801
00:37:11,373 --> 00:37:14,293
Speaker 3: Absolutely no Christmas pudding for you until you pay your

802
00:37:14,413 --> 00:37:15,333
Speaker 3: pay your debts.

803
00:37:15,973 --> 00:37:17,013
Speaker 19: No Christmas anything.

804
00:37:17,573 --> 00:37:19,973
Speaker 21: Where where does it come from?

805
00:37:20,613 --> 00:37:22,773
Speaker 3: Yeah? And would you describe your have you?

806
00:37:22,893 --> 00:37:23,053
Speaker 4: Have you?

807
00:37:23,093 --> 00:37:25,253
Speaker 3: Because you know, people forgive their kids a lot of stuff.

808
00:37:25,333 --> 00:37:28,613
Speaker 2: People forgive their kids all kinds of terrible things.

809
00:37:28,413 --> 00:37:31,093
Speaker 21: That the parents wanted to forgive their children. Then why

810
00:37:31,133 --> 00:37:32,093
Speaker 21: don't a parents pay it?

811
00:37:32,893 --> 00:37:35,133
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that is the case sometimes, leslie that.

812
00:37:35,333 --> 00:37:37,973
Speaker 3: I mean, look, let's just play a hypothetical here. If

813
00:37:38,013 --> 00:37:41,893
Speaker 3: one of your your you said sons, right, daughters, daughters?

814
00:37:41,933 --> 00:37:43,652
Speaker 3: If one of your daughters rang you and said, look,

815
00:37:43,693 --> 00:37:45,493
Speaker 3: I'm really sorry, mum, I've got into a lot of trouble,

816
00:37:45,533 --> 00:37:47,853
Speaker 3: and I forgot about the interest, and now I'm in

817
00:37:47,893 --> 00:37:50,333
Speaker 3: debt to the ir D in six figures and I

818
00:37:50,373 --> 00:37:52,853
Speaker 3: need your help so so I can come home for Christmas.

819
00:37:52,973 --> 00:37:57,533
Speaker 3: What would you say to her? For you fair enough,

820
00:37:57,693 --> 00:38:00,453
Speaker 3: You're a great pearance. Thank you for your call, Leslie.

821
00:38:01,293 --> 00:38:03,613
Speaker 2: You know this sort of you know relates to what

822
00:38:03,653 --> 00:38:05,973
Speaker 2: Lezzie was saying this text regarding student loans. I know

823
00:38:06,053 --> 00:38:09,413
Speaker 2: two men who have student loans outstanding, though they have

824
00:38:09,533 --> 00:38:11,413
Speaker 2: been out of New Zealand for twenty or more years.

825
00:38:11,453 --> 00:38:13,933
Speaker 2: They are both in their late forties. Both these men

826
00:38:13,973 --> 00:38:15,813
Speaker 2: have parents in New Zealand who travel to see their

827
00:38:15,893 --> 00:38:19,533
Speaker 2: kids overseas as the forty five year old kids four

828
00:38:19,613 --> 00:38:22,133
Speaker 2: or five four and five oh four and five year

829
00:38:22,173 --> 00:38:23,573
Speaker 2: old kids. I was going to say, they's just say

830
00:38:23,613 --> 00:38:26,813
Speaker 2: four hundred and five year old kid. Yeah, the four

831
00:38:26,933 --> 00:38:29,652
Speaker 2: hundred and five year old kid overseas is the four

832
00:38:29,693 --> 00:38:31,893
Speaker 2: and five year old kids cannot risk coming home and

833
00:38:31,933 --> 00:38:35,853
Speaker 2: then stopped them leaving. Neither of these men have had

834
00:38:35,893 --> 00:38:39,213
Speaker 2: big jobs, get financially by the skin of their teeth

835
00:38:39,493 --> 00:38:43,093
Speaker 2: and their parents help. Yeah, I mean, you can see

836
00:38:43,093 --> 00:38:46,373
Speaker 2: how that can happen. But the question really here is

837
00:38:46,613 --> 00:38:49,652
Speaker 2: should New Zealanders feel empathy for them, or if they have,

838
00:38:49,733 --> 00:38:52,213
Speaker 2: they made their own bed by going overseas and getting

839
00:38:52,213 --> 00:38:53,973
Speaker 2: in that position, and now the parents have to fly

840
00:38:54,133 --> 00:38:55,373
Speaker 2: over to see their grandchildren.

841
00:38:55,453 --> 00:38:57,652
Speaker 3: It's a sad story, but there's a lot of hard

842
00:38:57,733 --> 00:39:00,333
Speaker 3: luck sad stories out there, and you know, I'm sorry

843
00:39:00,373 --> 00:39:03,373
Speaker 3: they've got themselves into that position. But that's personal responsibility,

844
00:39:03,453 --> 00:39:03,733
Speaker 3: isn't it.

845
00:39:03,773 --> 00:39:06,573
Speaker 2: My daughter's overseas, didn't set up payments, got nabbed at customs.

846
00:39:07,173 --> 00:39:09,133
Speaker 2: She learned some line of life lessens.

847
00:39:11,053 --> 00:39:13,413
Speaker 3: Right at least have a quick chat to Chris. Chris,

848
00:39:13,413 --> 00:39:15,013
Speaker 3: we've got about a minute and a half.

849
00:39:16,053 --> 00:39:18,813
Speaker 10: I know Tyler, I know you're up against the news,

850
00:39:18,853 --> 00:39:22,373
Speaker 10: Tyra Matt. Okay, here's a quick thing, because Tyler, you

851
00:39:22,453 --> 00:39:25,893
Speaker 10: know me very well. Now I've got too who pay

852
00:39:25,973 --> 00:39:30,133
Speaker 10: off their student loans. Luckily for them, fairly modest between

853
00:39:30,173 --> 00:39:33,693
Speaker 10: the two of them, about sixty grand. But from my

854
00:39:33,853 --> 00:39:36,732
Speaker 10: memory as a parent, I don't remember anything that they

855
00:39:36,853 --> 00:39:42,493
Speaker 10: signed up for Saint student loan of free money. I

856
00:39:42,773 --> 00:39:46,733
Speaker 10: talked to them. They knew it was a debt, okay,

857
00:39:46,973 --> 00:39:49,853
Speaker 10: both of them. It's probably taken them five or more

858
00:39:49,933 --> 00:39:55,212
Speaker 10: years to pay it down. But you know, like when

859
00:39:55,213 --> 00:39:58,493
Speaker 10: you've been away for twenty years, maybe I know you're

860
00:39:58,493 --> 00:40:01,533
Speaker 10: coming up against news. Maybe the government should be looking

861
00:40:01,573 --> 00:40:05,733
Speaker 10: about how they handle things, you know, to encourage people.

862
00:40:05,893 --> 00:40:10,693
Speaker 10: If you go overseas, still stands you've got to start

863
00:40:10,733 --> 00:40:11,172
Speaker 10: paying it.

864
00:40:11,893 --> 00:40:14,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for your call, Chris. Yeah, I mean

865
00:40:14,853 --> 00:40:17,413
Speaker 3: there's a bit of personal responsibility. Thank you very much, Chris.

866
00:40:17,413 --> 00:40:19,853
Speaker 3: But you know, I think most people who take out

867
00:40:19,853 --> 00:40:23,333
Speaker 3: a student loan surely would understand they got to pay

868
00:40:23,373 --> 00:40:24,573
Speaker 3: that back. It's in the name itself.

869
00:40:24,813 --> 00:40:26,493
Speaker 2: So when I got my student loan and I didn't

870
00:40:26,493 --> 00:40:28,453
Speaker 2: pay it back, but I was seventeen years old and

871
00:40:28,493 --> 00:40:31,973
Speaker 2: a complete more on Yeah, and I remember thinking I'm

872
00:40:32,013 --> 00:40:34,573
Speaker 2: never paying this back. Yeah, I'll never amount to anything.

873
00:40:34,573 --> 00:40:36,053
Speaker 2: I'll never have the money to pay this back.

874
00:40:36,213 --> 00:40:38,172
Speaker 3: My course related costs did not go into my course.

875
00:40:38,253 --> 00:40:40,333
Speaker 3: That went straight to the bar. But yeah, I paid

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00:40:40,333 --> 00:40:42,533
Speaker 3: it back. So thank you New Zealand. It was a

877
00:40:42,573 --> 00:40:43,893
Speaker 3: good night, little bit of snowboarding.

878
00:40:44,813 --> 00:40:44,933
Speaker 4: Right.

879
00:40:44,973 --> 00:40:47,333
Speaker 3: We're going to keep this going, so love to your thoughts.

880
00:40:47,373 --> 00:40:49,853
Speaker 3: I went under an eighty ten eighty. The Green Party

881
00:40:49,893 --> 00:40:52,213
Speaker 3: says we need to go easier on those with student

882
00:40:52,293 --> 00:40:54,973
Speaker 3: debt overseas. Why do you say nine two ninety two

883
00:40:55,373 --> 00:40:57,453
Speaker 3: is that text numbers stay right here, will be back

884
00:40:57,733 --> 00:41:07,213
Speaker 3: very shortly.

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00:41:05,293 --> 00:41:09,133
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

886
00:41:09,173 --> 00:41:10,973
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks.

887
00:41:11,013 --> 00:41:14,573
Speaker 3: It'd be hello, do you welcome back into the show?

888
00:41:14,653 --> 00:41:17,373
Speaker 3: Seven past too. So we're carrying on our discussion about

889
00:41:17,413 --> 00:41:21,693
Speaker 3: student debts for those Kiwi's living overseas. The Greens have

890
00:41:21,813 --> 00:41:25,853
Speaker 3: worn that New Zealanders who are in that situation cannot

891
00:41:25,893 --> 00:41:28,613
Speaker 3: come home for Christmas, and their survey found seventy one

892
00:41:28,653 --> 00:41:31,252
Speaker 3: percent were overdue on payments and eighty two percent were

893
00:41:31,253 --> 00:41:33,573
Speaker 3: worried about being stopped on the border when they did

894
00:41:33,653 --> 00:41:38,773
Speaker 3: try and come home. Worried, Yeah, worried, very very worried.

895
00:41:39,213 --> 00:41:43,613
Speaker 3: So spokesman Lawrence zu Nan, he was on with Ryan

896
00:41:43,733 --> 00:41:46,973
Speaker 3: Bridge yesterday talking about this very issue and when Ryan

897
00:41:47,093 --> 00:41:50,693
Speaker 3: asked him about who were those people overseas, Here's what

898
00:41:50,733 --> 00:41:51,053
Speaker 3: he said.

899
00:41:51,133 --> 00:41:54,973
Speaker 6: I think anyone who you know, obviously New Zealanders, that

900
00:41:55,053 --> 00:41:57,013
Speaker 6: if they want to be reunited with their families and

901
00:41:57,053 --> 00:41:59,732
Speaker 6: with their parents and their loved ones seeing ALTI New Zealand,

902
00:41:59,773 --> 00:42:03,733
Speaker 6: they should absolutely pay the ad well for a lot

903
00:42:03,733 --> 00:42:06,493
Speaker 6: of them, as you're seeing the report that it's sometimes

904
00:42:06,493 --> 00:42:09,533
Speaker 6: outside of on control what the dead actually accrued. And

905
00:42:09,613 --> 00:42:12,213
Speaker 6: also it's you know, expanded to such an.

906
00:42:12,053 --> 00:42:14,733
Speaker 3: Extent, what exactly about it was out of their control.

907
00:42:14,893 --> 00:42:17,413
Speaker 6: This is why they were asking for inquiry because there

908
00:42:17,453 --> 00:42:19,053
Speaker 6: was a number of loophole. Number one, one of the

909
00:42:19,093 --> 00:42:21,413
Speaker 6: things we look at is the fact that sometimes when

910
00:42:21,413 --> 00:42:25,093
Speaker 6: they're going overseas, they didn't realize or couldn't pay for

911
00:42:25,253 --> 00:42:27,773
Speaker 6: a small amount of loan that they have, but over

912
00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:30,173
Speaker 6: time it compounded in terms of arrears, and now it

913
00:42:30,293 --> 00:42:34,533
Speaker 6: comes becomes after twenty years, something that becomes unaffordable and

914
00:42:34,573 --> 00:42:36,533
Speaker 6: they are going to be slapped with an increase in

915
00:42:36,613 --> 00:42:39,933
Speaker 6: terms of cinelong, an increase in terms of the arrears

916
00:42:39,973 --> 00:42:42,333
Speaker 6: and the long the interest rate on their debt.

917
00:42:42,773 --> 00:42:45,333
Speaker 2: But they're doing an inquiry. You know, they weren't inquiring

918
00:42:45,373 --> 00:42:48,413
Speaker 2: about it. It's not a loophole. Those were the Those

919
00:42:48,413 --> 00:42:50,773
Speaker 2: were the terms of the loan that they signed.

920
00:42:50,933 --> 00:42:53,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, no lawrences and consequences of their actions.

921
00:42:53,613 --> 00:42:56,973
Speaker 2: So how is it outside of their control? That's that's

922
00:42:57,253 --> 00:43:01,253
Speaker 2: that's quite an insane claim to make that. You know,

923
00:43:01,333 --> 00:43:03,573
Speaker 2: you could say that the terms of the contract are

924
00:43:03,653 --> 00:43:07,292
Speaker 2: unfear maybe and you can negotiate those, but to say

925
00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:09,413
Speaker 2: that the people that are currently in trouble from the

926
00:43:09,453 --> 00:43:11,973
Speaker 2: contract they signed it was out of their control, is

927
00:43:12,053 --> 00:43:14,573
Speaker 2: not true. They've chosen to go overseas, so they've made

928
00:43:14,893 --> 00:43:18,453
Speaker 2: that decision knowing that if you're overseas and you owe

929
00:43:18,533 --> 00:43:20,893
Speaker 2: up to fifteen thousand dollars New Zealand, you have to

930
00:43:20,893 --> 00:43:24,732
Speaker 2: pay three thousand back per year minimum fifteen to thirty

931
00:43:24,813 --> 00:43:28,333
Speaker 2: K owing four to five thousand per year, thirty to

932
00:43:28,373 --> 00:43:32,413
Speaker 2: sixty K six to seven thousand per year and over

933
00:43:32,493 --> 00:43:33,933
Speaker 2: sixty k eight thousand per year.

934
00:43:33,973 --> 00:43:34,652
Speaker 3: So you know that.

935
00:43:34,893 --> 00:43:37,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so if it drifts and it gets bigger

936
00:43:37,653 --> 00:43:42,893
Speaker 2: the amount, then then that's you knew that was going

937
00:43:42,933 --> 00:43:44,973
Speaker 2: to happen, and that's what's happened. That's happened because that's

938
00:43:44,973 --> 00:43:47,573
Speaker 2: happened because you haven't paid it back, right, Yeah, and

939
00:43:47,653 --> 00:43:51,493
Speaker 2: so you know it's three thousand per year, then you know,

940
00:43:51,733 --> 00:43:55,333
Speaker 2: fly home, fly home and it's interest free.

941
00:43:55,413 --> 00:43:55,652
Speaker 4: Yeah.

942
00:43:55,693 --> 00:43:57,493
Speaker 3: Do you really need an inquiry for one of these things?

943
00:43:57,533 --> 00:43:59,573
Speaker 3: I mean, how much does an inquiry cost? Couldn't they

944
00:43:59,613 --> 00:44:01,853
Speaker 3: have just put in that we survey, so we see

945
00:44:01,893 --> 00:44:04,093
Speaker 3: you didn't pay your loan back? Why why why didn't

946
00:44:04,093 --> 00:44:05,813
Speaker 3: you pay it back? And then yeah, there's no need

947
00:44:05,813 --> 00:44:09,252
Speaker 3: for an inquiry. They'll just say I was idiot and

948
00:44:09,493 --> 00:44:11,933
Speaker 3: I should have known better, and it's my fault and

949
00:44:11,973 --> 00:44:13,213
Speaker 3: now I can't come home for Christmas.

950
00:44:13,253 --> 00:44:15,213
Speaker 2: This Texas says, it's not insane, Matt, it's the Greens.

951
00:44:15,293 --> 00:44:19,973
Speaker 2: Chloe will make a great finance minister. This Spersion says, hey, yeah,

952
00:44:20,213 --> 00:44:23,613
Speaker 2: this is just modern slavery. It has not changed. It's

953
00:44:24,053 --> 00:44:26,293
Speaker 2: in debt. Young people have been exposed to debt by

954
00:44:26,293 --> 00:44:28,573
Speaker 2: student loans. Now many of the same people are exposed

955
00:44:28,613 --> 00:44:35,733
Speaker 2: to mortgage debt on falling house prices. It's not much slavery.

956
00:44:35,773 --> 00:44:37,733
Speaker 2: If you're you know, you can fly out of the

957
00:44:37,733 --> 00:44:39,853
Speaker 2: country and live overseas.

958
00:44:39,893 --> 00:44:42,213
Speaker 3: It seems pretty good. Yeah, it's a good deal in life.

959
00:44:42,333 --> 00:44:44,893
Speaker 2: But you know, but dead has changed, that's for sure. Yeah,

960
00:44:44,973 --> 00:44:46,333
Speaker 2: and that's where you've got to be very careful when

961
00:44:46,373 --> 00:44:47,053
Speaker 2: you sign up to it.

962
00:44:47,213 --> 00:44:47,413
Speaker 4: Yeah.

963
00:44:47,493 --> 00:44:49,293
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love to you

964
00:44:49,293 --> 00:44:51,013
Speaker 3: your thoughts on this. And if you've been in that

965
00:44:51,053 --> 00:44:54,333
Speaker 3: situation overseas that you got yourself maybe into your head

966
00:44:54,373 --> 00:44:56,853
Speaker 3: a little bit underwater with the debt, how did you

967
00:44:56,853 --> 00:44:58,493
Speaker 3: get yourself out of it? Is it making a deal

968
00:44:58,493 --> 00:45:00,413
Speaker 3: with the id how are they to deal with? Love

969
00:45:00,453 --> 00:45:01,973
Speaker 3: to hear from you? Nine to two ninety two is

970
00:45:02,053 --> 00:45:02,732
Speaker 3: the text number.

971
00:45:02,853 --> 00:45:05,093
Speaker 2: Dave says, Wow, Tyler, you've got a fifty grand student

972
00:45:05,133 --> 00:45:08,093
Speaker 2: loan and then you end up a studio princess microphones

973
00:45:08,373 --> 00:45:11,173
Speaker 2: hugging on a talkback show. Is this your pinnacle? Seems

974
00:45:11,213 --> 00:45:13,173
Speaker 2: like a bit of waste of money to me, just

975
00:45:13,213 --> 00:45:13,772
Speaker 2: saying Dave.

976
00:45:13,893 --> 00:45:15,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, so a couple of things there. Yes, I am

977
00:45:15,853 --> 00:45:19,772
Speaker 3: a princess. Yes, this is probably my pinnacle. And maybe

978
00:45:19,773 --> 00:45:21,493
Speaker 3: it was a waste of money. Definitely, Yeah, when I'm

979
00:45:21,493 --> 00:45:23,973
Speaker 3: spending a thousand dollars course rolated coss at the bar. Yeah,

980
00:45:24,013 --> 00:45:25,333
Speaker 3: it wasn't a good idea at the time.

981
00:45:25,653 --> 00:45:29,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know. It's not the

982
00:45:29,893 --> 00:45:34,093
Speaker 2: worst paid job in the world. Catherine, Welcome to.

983
00:45:35,573 --> 00:45:35,732
Speaker 20: Hi.

984
00:45:36,733 --> 00:45:39,573
Speaker 23: I just wanted to talk about my daughter who was

985
00:45:39,733 --> 00:45:42,573
Speaker 23: she's twenty five. She was on the first intake of

986
00:45:42,613 --> 00:45:45,853
Speaker 23: the first year free, so she got a fees for

987
00:45:45,893 --> 00:45:50,253
Speaker 23: free the first year, which is brilliant. She lived at home,

988
00:45:50,493 --> 00:45:53,333
Speaker 23: she took all of the living allowance that she could.

989
00:45:54,373 --> 00:46:00,813
Speaker 23: She took the loan for the subsequent years, and she

990
00:46:00,813 --> 00:46:02,933
Speaker 23: did a double degree, so she took all of the

991
00:46:02,973 --> 00:46:07,053
Speaker 23: money she could for that, and she worked twenty hours

992
00:46:07,053 --> 00:46:10,133
Speaker 23: a week full time, so she actually could afford to

993
00:46:10,133 --> 00:46:15,613
Speaker 23: pay for her student vet as she went. But she

994
00:46:15,653 --> 00:46:17,973
Speaker 23: put all of that money she borrowed at zero cent

995
00:46:18,773 --> 00:46:22,173
Speaker 23: into an investment. She saved it for the entire time.

996
00:46:23,453 --> 00:46:25,813
Speaker 23: She's paid it back while she's been working in New

997
00:46:25,893 --> 00:46:31,653
Speaker 23: Zealand at the minimum rate. She's now moving going to

998
00:46:31,693 --> 00:46:35,813
Speaker 23: move to the UK next year because she needs that experience.

999
00:46:36,973 --> 00:46:40,813
Speaker 23: And she's got like fifty grand sitting in a bank

1000
00:46:40,813 --> 00:46:44,893
Speaker 23: account earning interest that she has borrowed from the government

1001
00:46:44,973 --> 00:46:45,493
Speaker 23: for free.

1002
00:46:47,573 --> 00:46:51,053
Speaker 3: Yes, well one lump sone zero interest.

1003
00:46:50,813 --> 00:46:54,172
Speaker 23: She actually zero interest, so she's been earning interest on

1004
00:46:54,213 --> 00:46:58,813
Speaker 23: the government's loan and she'll pay it all back before

1005
00:46:58,813 --> 00:47:01,212
Speaker 23: she leaves, so there is no there is no debt.

1006
00:47:01,373 --> 00:47:03,533
Speaker 2: Does she feel do you do you hear feel any

1007
00:47:03,613 --> 00:47:06,293
Speaker 2: guilt about gaming the system like that, because ultimately it's

1008
00:47:06,333 --> 00:47:10,133
Speaker 2: the taxpayer that is covering that interest difference that she's

1009
00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:12,453
Speaker 2: she's benefiting off.

1010
00:47:14,893 --> 00:47:18,293
Speaker 23: I don't feel guilt because she actually has worked damn

1011
00:47:18,333 --> 00:47:22,213
Speaker 23: hard and has paid good tax the entire time. She

1012
00:47:22,293 --> 00:47:24,772
Speaker 23: was working twenty hours a week while studying full time,

1013
00:47:25,333 --> 00:47:28,693
Speaker 23: so she was paying her paying her tax at proper

1014
00:47:28,773 --> 00:47:32,093
Speaker 23: rate right from you know, at the moment she was

1015
00:47:32,133 --> 00:47:35,613
Speaker 23: allowed to be working. So I actually think good on her,

1016
00:47:35,773 --> 00:47:38,692
Speaker 23: like that's given her a head start in life that

1017
00:47:38,733 --> 00:47:42,093
Speaker 23: she's not she wouldn't have got Otherwise she'll go away

1018
00:47:42,253 --> 00:47:46,053
Speaker 23: and you get the experience in more money, she'll come

1019
00:47:46,093 --> 00:47:49,732
Speaker 23: back because she wants to come back, and then she'll

1020
00:47:49,813 --> 00:47:55,373
Speaker 23: contribute to society. So I have no problem with that.

1021
00:47:56,013 --> 00:47:58,733
Speaker 23: And I think people who just take the money and

1022
00:47:58,773 --> 00:48:01,573
Speaker 23: then leave and go, oh, well, I don't need to

1023
00:48:02,413 --> 00:48:06,293
Speaker 23: I don't have to pay it back because someone's chasing me. Well, actually,

1024
00:48:07,293 --> 00:48:09,652
Speaker 23: why should they get a free use when my daughter

1025
00:48:09,733 --> 00:48:14,653
Speaker 23: worked damn hard to actually do the right thing, and

1026
00:48:14,893 --> 00:48:18,093
Speaker 23: we'll pay it back in full before she leaves the country.

1027
00:48:18,173 --> 00:48:20,453
Speaker 3: Who came up with the who came who came up

1028
00:48:20,453 --> 00:48:21,093
Speaker 3: with that idea?

1029
00:48:21,373 --> 00:48:24,933
Speaker 2: Catherine? Because what age was she when she went to university?

1030
00:48:24,933 --> 00:48:25,813
Speaker 2: If you don't mind my house.

1031
00:48:28,133 --> 00:48:30,853
Speaker 23: She finished at thirteen? Was she eighteen?

1032
00:48:30,893 --> 00:48:31,333
Speaker 17: I guess?

1033
00:48:31,413 --> 00:48:33,493
Speaker 2: So that's very savvy to come up with a plan

1034
00:48:33,653 --> 00:48:34,413
Speaker 2: like that at eighteen.

1035
00:48:34,573 --> 00:48:38,212
Speaker 23: Yeah, she actually got it from her cousins a couple

1036
00:48:38,253 --> 00:48:40,213
Speaker 23: of years older, exactly the.

1037
00:48:40,253 --> 00:48:43,173
Speaker 3: Same cousins always have good plans.

1038
00:48:43,213 --> 00:48:45,652
Speaker 23: And they you know, they've stayed in the country and

1039
00:48:45,693 --> 00:48:49,373
Speaker 23: worked and paid their taxes and they probably still had

1040
00:48:50,013 --> 00:48:53,013
Speaker 23: that interest free loan and they now own a house, so.

1041
00:48:54,533 --> 00:48:59,373
Speaker 2: They use their loan while working to pay off their

1042
00:48:59,453 --> 00:49:03,133
Speaker 2: you know, paying for their their student at the cost

1043
00:49:03,133 --> 00:49:05,933
Speaker 2: of their going to university. Did they use their loan

1044
00:49:06,213 --> 00:49:08,253
Speaker 2: as a deposit on a house for example? Was that

1045
00:49:08,373 --> 00:49:09,013
Speaker 2: is that what they did?

1046
00:49:09,493 --> 00:49:15,413
Speaker 23: Well, I guess in a way, because they haven't they

1047
00:49:15,413 --> 00:49:18,053
Speaker 23: don't have to pay it back as long they don't

1048
00:49:18,053 --> 00:49:19,573
Speaker 23: have to pay it all back. They just have to

1049
00:49:19,573 --> 00:49:22,493
Speaker 23: pay it back each you know, each paypack it twelve

1050
00:49:22,533 --> 00:49:25,013
Speaker 23: percent at what are the rates? Because it's interest free,

1051
00:49:25,413 --> 00:49:28,733
Speaker 23: So why why pay it all back and then borrow

1052
00:49:28,773 --> 00:49:33,293
Speaker 23: from the bank at five percent? Yes, well you can

1053
00:49:33,453 --> 00:49:35,453
Speaker 23: borrow it from the government for free. So I mean,

1054
00:49:35,493 --> 00:49:40,173
Speaker 23: the government is doing so much for students, but actually

1055
00:49:40,813 --> 00:49:43,413
Speaker 23: we shouldn't be giving the people who bike off over say,

1056
00:49:43,773 --> 00:49:46,493
Speaker 23: anything more, because actually the government is doing so much.

1057
00:49:46,533 --> 00:49:48,693
Speaker 3: Anyway, Yeah, thank you for you call, Catherine.

1058
00:49:48,693 --> 00:49:50,253
Speaker 2: I bet there's a bunch of people out there that

1059
00:49:50,293 --> 00:49:55,893
Speaker 2: have gained that interest free student loan thing because it's

1060
00:49:55,933 --> 00:49:58,172
Speaker 2: because it's money you can you can borrow interest free

1061
00:49:58,213 --> 00:49:59,773
Speaker 2: with very few questions asked.

1062
00:49:59,533 --> 00:50:01,212
Speaker 3: Yep, and I don't see a problem with that, because

1063
00:50:01,213 --> 00:50:02,692
Speaker 3: if you got the cash there to pay for your

1064
00:50:02,693 --> 00:50:03,733
Speaker 3: own what.

1065
00:50:04,533 --> 00:50:12,173
Speaker 2: About Johnny Trady who's work away paying her taxes to

1066
00:50:12,253 --> 00:50:15,813
Speaker 2: cover students to get ahead because they're gaming the system

1067
00:50:15,853 --> 00:50:17,692
Speaker 2: with their student free loan.

1068
00:50:17,853 --> 00:50:19,973
Speaker 3: They can go get a b com and pay for

1069
00:50:20,013 --> 00:50:22,293
Speaker 3: that course themselves and then just tide away that their

1070
00:50:22,333 --> 00:50:23,493
Speaker 3: interest free student loan.

1071
00:50:24,893 --> 00:50:27,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not really in the spirit of the thing,

1072
00:50:27,893 --> 00:50:28,453
Speaker 2: is it.

1073
00:50:28,493 --> 00:50:30,413
Speaker 3: Certainly not. It's not in the spirit of it. But

1074
00:50:30,533 --> 00:50:32,212
Speaker 3: you know, this is a thing where we talk about

1075
00:50:32,253 --> 00:50:34,933
Speaker 3: interest free student loans. They were brought in by the government.

1076
00:50:35,933 --> 00:50:37,013
Speaker 3: Catherine makes a really good point.

1077
00:50:37,013 --> 00:50:41,333
Speaker 2: We're already bending over backwards for students to make it

1078
00:50:41,373 --> 00:50:43,813
Speaker 2: possible for them to follow their dreams and better themselves,

1079
00:50:43,853 --> 00:50:45,733
Speaker 2: and so many of them just pass off overseas. Anyway,

1080
00:50:45,773 --> 00:50:49,253
Speaker 2: after the taxpayer has paid for all of their education

1081
00:50:49,413 --> 00:50:55,173
Speaker 2: primary school, intermediate and high school and then massively massively

1082
00:50:55,293 --> 00:51:00,453
Speaker 2: subsidized their tertiary education, then give them a student free loan.

1083
00:51:01,013 --> 00:51:05,853
Speaker 2: And now this chu Nan mp Green and Pea is

1084
00:51:05,893 --> 00:51:08,292
Speaker 2: saying we should feel sorry for the ones that person

1085
00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:10,413
Speaker 2: off overseas and don't pay back.

1086
00:51:11,333 --> 00:51:14,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, their loans. Yeah, whilst not even.

1087
00:51:14,013 --> 00:51:18,013
Speaker 2: Contributing to the tax back here in New Zealand to

1088
00:51:18,133 --> 00:51:20,013
Speaker 2: give back from all they've taken.

1089
00:51:20,173 --> 00:51:23,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's it's a huge, huge leap that he's that.

1090
00:51:24,013 --> 00:51:26,733
Speaker 2: He's asking us to make in terms of where you

1091
00:51:27,053 --> 00:51:29,013
Speaker 2: direct your empathy. Yeah, what are you giving back to

1092
00:51:29,053 --> 00:51:29,493
Speaker 2: New Zealand?

1093
00:51:29,533 --> 00:51:29,573
Speaker 8: No.

1094
00:51:29,613 --> 00:51:32,413
Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is and umber to call Catherine.

1095
00:51:32,413 --> 00:51:34,373
Speaker 3: Thanks very much for giving us a buzz at seventeen

1096
00:51:34,453 --> 00:51:37,013
Speaker 3: past two your home.

1097
00:51:36,853 --> 00:51:41,093
Speaker 1: Of afternoon talk, Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call. Oh,

1098
00:51:41,133 --> 00:51:43,373
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

1099
00:51:43,293 --> 00:51:43,652
Speaker 5: Said, be.

1100
00:51:45,773 --> 00:51:48,693
Speaker 3: Afternoon to you twenty past two. We're talking about student

1101
00:51:48,813 --> 00:51:51,853
Speaker 3: debt for those living overseas. The Green Party is calling

1102
00:51:51,893 --> 00:51:54,373
Speaker 3: for an inquiry, a mass inquiry, to see if we

1103
00:51:54,413 --> 00:51:55,773
Speaker 3: can help them out a little bit. What do you

1104
00:51:55,813 --> 00:51:57,293
Speaker 3: say our one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1105
00:51:57,533 --> 00:51:59,493
Speaker 2: Matt, you have whipped yourself into such a state of

1106
00:51:59,653 --> 00:52:03,533
Speaker 2: apoplexy that you are saying student free loan. Just breathe, brother,

1107
00:52:06,333 --> 00:52:09,013
Speaker 2: I'm a big breather, a big breath, I'm a big

1108
00:52:09,093 --> 00:52:10,333
Speaker 2: believer in breathing.

1109
00:52:10,413 --> 00:52:11,453
Speaker 3: The psychological sigh.

1110
00:52:13,773 --> 00:52:16,293
Speaker 2: But then again, I could argue that it still works

1111
00:52:16,973 --> 00:52:19,893
Speaker 2: if you put a Comma student free loan.

1112
00:52:20,373 --> 00:52:22,653
Speaker 3: Nice, yeah, good, safe, it's a free.

1113
00:52:22,493 --> 00:52:26,653
Speaker 2: Loan belonging to the students. Student free loan. Yeah, I

1114
00:52:26,733 --> 00:52:28,413
Speaker 2: mean I didn't. I messed up my words, but I

1115
00:52:28,453 --> 00:52:31,653
Speaker 2: could argue that. But you know I've got a student

1116
00:52:31,773 --> 00:52:34,333
Speaker 2: free loan, and that there's a loan I have with

1117
00:52:34,413 --> 00:52:36,373
Speaker 2: the bank that is free from students being involved.

1118
00:52:36,613 --> 00:52:40,133
Speaker 3: Actually that's not true because my son's are students. Yeah,

1119
00:52:40,173 --> 00:52:42,133
Speaker 3: and you pay a lot of interest on that. But

1120
00:52:42,213 --> 00:52:45,772
Speaker 3: thank you for your text keep us honest. Really appreciate it. Mike,

1121
00:52:46,173 --> 00:52:47,053
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

1122
00:52:48,653 --> 00:52:49,373
Speaker 4: Doesn't afternoon?

1123
00:52:49,613 --> 00:52:49,813
Speaker 24: Yeah?

1124
00:52:49,853 --> 00:52:51,053
Speaker 3: Pretty good, mate, pretty good.

1125
00:52:52,093 --> 00:52:52,973
Speaker 4: Excellent, excellent.

1126
00:52:53,093 --> 00:52:53,173
Speaker 7: Ye.

1127
00:52:53,853 --> 00:52:57,813
Speaker 4: I was a varsity student back in the mid nineties,

1128
00:52:57,853 --> 00:53:01,413
Speaker 4: and I was very careful so I met I think

1129
00:53:01,453 --> 00:53:03,773
Speaker 4: I clocked up about a ten thousand dollars student loan

1130
00:53:04,653 --> 00:53:10,373
Speaker 4: only to assist with student related things. And because I

1131
00:53:10,493 --> 00:53:13,573
Speaker 4: had studied a little bit of finance and accounting and things,

1132
00:53:13,693 --> 00:53:17,293
Speaker 4: I was aware how important it is to pay it

1133
00:53:17,373 --> 00:53:21,493
Speaker 4: back quickly because it can affect your credit rating letter

1134
00:53:21,573 --> 00:53:25,813
Speaker 4: in life, which can affect your ability to get loans

1135
00:53:26,173 --> 00:53:28,973
Speaker 4: mortgages from the bank to buy houses and that sort

1136
00:53:29,013 --> 00:53:32,692
Speaker 4: of thing. So yeah, I felt as I was quite

1137
00:53:32,693 --> 00:53:36,053
Speaker 4: a suite to get that paid off very quickly, and

1138
00:53:36,173 --> 00:53:43,053
Speaker 4: I did, so I'm pleased with that. Also, back in

1139
00:53:43,173 --> 00:53:45,973
Speaker 4: those days as a student, there was some shocking stories,

1140
00:53:46,933 --> 00:53:52,293
Speaker 4: you know, students buying boats, yeah, to go wakeboarding, you know,

1141
00:53:52,373 --> 00:53:55,933
Speaker 4: with a student loan, travel, you name it. I mean,

1142
00:53:55,973 --> 00:53:58,813
Speaker 4: I think some people even got student loans to get

1143
00:53:58,853 --> 00:54:01,853
Speaker 4: deposits to buy property, you know, that sort of thing.

1144
00:54:01,933 --> 00:54:02,893
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, it was.

1145
00:54:03,733 --> 00:54:07,853
Speaker 4: It was sort of pretty easy and lenient, and I

1146
00:54:07,933 --> 00:54:10,333
Speaker 4: think part of the problem is is that it's such

1147
00:54:10,373 --> 00:54:13,813
Speaker 4: an easy loan. You don't need collateral. You don't need

1148
00:54:13,853 --> 00:54:17,893
Speaker 4: collateral like a mortgage in your house is collateral, or

1149
00:54:19,093 --> 00:54:23,413
Speaker 4: finance finan finance a car and the car is collateral.

1150
00:54:23,493 --> 00:54:29,212
Speaker 4: So if you default continuously, then your car gets repossessed

1151
00:54:29,293 --> 00:54:32,973
Speaker 4: and that sort of thing. So I think that's part

1152
00:54:33,013 --> 00:54:34,653
Speaker 4: of the problem. The other part of the problem is

1153
00:54:34,733 --> 00:54:38,573
Speaker 4: that because it's such a free and easy loan, the

1154
00:54:38,693 --> 00:54:42,573
Speaker 4: temptation is that people go overseas and I think people

1155
00:54:42,653 --> 00:54:48,013
Speaker 4: sort of feel as though it'll just disappear. The others

1156
00:54:48,093 --> 00:54:50,613
Speaker 4: hide from it, and it won't and I'll just go away,

1157
00:54:50,853 --> 00:54:54,172
Speaker 4: and well I'll go to Canada and I'll live there

1158
00:54:54,253 --> 00:54:59,533
Speaker 4: and marry and never come home, and hopefully the government

1159
00:54:59,853 --> 00:55:01,933
Speaker 4: down the track is just going to say, right, we're

1160
00:55:01,933 --> 00:55:05,732
Speaker 4: just going to what's the word does close them all?

1161
00:55:05,813 --> 00:55:08,693
Speaker 4: You know? I mean, just cover them all. You know what,

1162
00:55:08,693 --> 00:55:12,893
Speaker 4: what's that word? Well, go rate them, rate them as

1163
00:55:12,933 --> 00:55:15,133
Speaker 4: bad debts and just yeah, just close them all and

1164
00:55:15,613 --> 00:55:18,813
Speaker 4: light them up here, write them up. Yeah, that's right,

1165
00:55:18,853 --> 00:55:22,252
Speaker 4: that's right, that's right. So yeah, it's yeah. So there's

1166
00:55:22,373 --> 00:55:24,453
Speaker 4: a bit of temptation of I think.

1167
00:55:25,533 --> 00:55:27,413
Speaker 2: It's interesting one though, because if you get in a

1168
00:55:27,413 --> 00:55:30,692
Speaker 2: position where you can't come back to New Zealand when

1169
00:55:30,853 --> 00:55:33,773
Speaker 2: things go wrong, because you know, you know in New

1170
00:55:33,853 --> 00:55:36,212
Speaker 2: Zealand's a safe place in the South Pacific, and things

1171
00:55:36,293 --> 00:55:38,013
Speaker 2: can go crazy in the rest of the world and

1172
00:55:38,053 --> 00:55:40,253
Speaker 2: you will want to go home. Having said that, in

1173
00:55:40,373 --> 00:55:42,172
Speaker 2: COVID government didn't let people come home.

1174
00:55:42,253 --> 00:55:42,653
Speaker 5: Did they know?

1175
00:55:42,893 --> 00:55:44,573
Speaker 2: You have a full passport and they're like, no, you

1176
00:55:44,613 --> 00:55:47,133
Speaker 2: can't come back to Musicaland that's true. You have to

1177
00:55:47,133 --> 00:55:47,773
Speaker 2: get into a lot.

1178
00:55:47,893 --> 00:55:49,733
Speaker 4: Was that because was that because of student loans? I

1179
00:55:49,733 --> 00:55:50,293
Speaker 4: can't remember that.

1180
00:55:50,373 --> 00:55:51,813
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it was just it was just

1181
00:55:52,373 --> 00:55:56,373
Speaker 2: because we didn't have enough spaces it's not let's not

1182
00:55:56,453 --> 00:55:59,133
Speaker 2: really that that that that horror show. But back to

1183
00:55:59,173 --> 00:56:02,493
Speaker 2: your point about stupid things that people did. My girlfriend

1184
00:56:02,613 --> 00:56:05,812
Speaker 2: right when I was at university, her parents were paying

1185
00:56:05,853 --> 00:56:09,333
Speaker 2: for everything. She she came from a wealthy Auckland family.

1186
00:56:09,533 --> 00:56:09,772
Speaker 3: Nice.

1187
00:56:10,893 --> 00:56:12,653
Speaker 2: Well you know, she hooked up with a horrible local

1188
00:56:12,773 --> 00:56:15,933
Speaker 2: like me. I mean, she said, a bottom feeder from Deneed.

1189
00:56:16,013 --> 00:56:21,172
Speaker 2: But anyway, she just speaking of shocking things. She uh

1190
00:56:21,853 --> 00:56:23,973
Speaker 2: not only got all the money from her parents paying

1191
00:56:24,013 --> 00:56:30,373
Speaker 2: for everything, including her flat and an ability to you know,

1192
00:56:30,813 --> 00:56:35,333
Speaker 2: spending money whatever she wanted, everything booze money, she then

1193
00:56:35,373 --> 00:56:39,733
Speaker 2: also got out of student loan for course related at

1194
00:56:39,813 --> 00:56:43,253
Speaker 2: costs and living expenses and just loved large on that.

1195
00:56:43,773 --> 00:56:44,893
Speaker 3: Yeah see that's crazy.

1196
00:56:45,053 --> 00:56:47,653
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's too easy and it should be

1197
00:56:47,693 --> 00:56:49,973
Speaker 4: pleased more. The thing is that people need to be

1198
00:56:50,053 --> 00:56:52,252
Speaker 4: aware around the world in New Zealand with student loans

1199
00:56:52,333 --> 00:56:56,813
Speaker 4: is that the government has control over its statutory organizations

1200
00:56:56,893 --> 00:57:00,692
Speaker 4: like the police, customs ID and they want their pound

1201
00:57:00,733 --> 00:57:05,773
Speaker 4: of flesh and they want their money repaid, and you

1202
00:57:05,853 --> 00:57:11,893
Speaker 4: know so you can't really escape it. So yeah, it's

1203
00:57:12,253 --> 00:57:15,093
Speaker 4: and well anyway, colo long story short, the idea that

1204
00:57:15,133 --> 00:57:17,653
Speaker 4: I thought of just before an hour ago or so?

1205
00:57:17,893 --> 00:57:18,053
Speaker 10: Was that?

1206
00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:19,293
Speaker 3: Why not?

1207
00:57:19,573 --> 00:57:23,133
Speaker 4: Nikola Willis contact all of the these are three countries

1208
00:57:23,213 --> 00:57:26,293
Speaker 4: that we have relationships with. Get hold of the idea.

1209
00:57:26,413 --> 00:57:28,253
Speaker 4: Say right, if you've got our citizens and they have

1210
00:57:28,333 --> 00:57:30,973
Speaker 4: a student loan, we had like five or ten percent

1211
00:57:31,653 --> 00:57:34,213
Speaker 4: of their income directed back to New Zealand to pay.

1212
00:57:34,093 --> 00:57:37,693
Speaker 3: It off, Please International bank. You could arrange there in

1213
00:57:37,733 --> 00:57:39,733
Speaker 3: a one day yeah and so and so you run

1214
00:57:39,773 --> 00:57:41,293
Speaker 3: it like a bake oorp thing. You'll get a percentage

1215
00:57:41,293 --> 00:57:41,773
Speaker 3: of this debt.

1216
00:57:41,893 --> 00:57:44,453
Speaker 4: Yeah you know, but yeah, yeah, administration fee.

1217
00:57:44,693 --> 00:57:48,053
Speaker 3: And for the students, they are the only losers.

1218
00:57:48,053 --> 00:57:50,653
Speaker 4: And they I mean they owe the money. They owe

1219
00:57:50,693 --> 00:57:53,413
Speaker 4: the money, and it's the illegal obligation to pay it

1220
00:57:53,813 --> 00:57:56,613
Speaker 4: to the government and their moral obligation to pay it back.

1221
00:57:56,693 --> 00:57:59,253
Speaker 4: For us are taxpayers.

1222
00:57:59,653 --> 00:58:01,293
Speaker 3: And I think you're right to set mentality is that

1223
00:58:01,373 --> 00:58:03,893
Speaker 3: it's that mentality that or the government gave me this

1224
00:58:04,053 --> 00:58:06,813
Speaker 3: money and I, you know, I don't really need to

1225
00:58:06,853 --> 00:58:08,493
Speaker 3: pay it back if I get into trouble. We're is

1226
00:58:08,493 --> 00:58:10,533
Speaker 3: any other debt that you take on. Of course, you

1227
00:58:10,653 --> 00:58:12,453
Speaker 3: know if you don't pay that money back, your life

1228
00:58:12,453 --> 00:58:14,533
Speaker 3: will be ruined. The real Bay Court will come after you.

1229
00:58:14,693 --> 00:58:16,813
Speaker 3: They'll take your house, they'll take your car. And that's

1230
00:58:16,853 --> 00:58:18,773
Speaker 3: the right thing because you took out a loan and

1231
00:58:18,853 --> 00:58:22,693
Speaker 3: you wrote a contract. So these student overseas saying, oh please,

1232
00:58:22,773 --> 00:58:25,013
Speaker 3: I want to come over Christmas and I didn't think

1233
00:58:25,013 --> 00:58:28,733
Speaker 3: i'd have to pay it back. Nonsense. Come on anyway,

1234
00:58:31,453 --> 00:58:32,253
Speaker 3: New Zealand.

1235
00:58:32,013 --> 00:58:34,453
Speaker 4: Dollar, the New Zealand dollar isn't as strong as the

1236
00:58:34,533 --> 00:58:37,973
Speaker 4: pound and so yeah, I mean, you don't even have

1237
00:58:38,093 --> 00:58:43,133
Speaker 4: to forfeit that much if you're in the UK your money.

1238
00:58:44,653 --> 00:58:46,213
Speaker 3: Because you pay it off in New Zealand dollars.

1239
00:58:46,253 --> 00:58:49,453
Speaker 2: So if you are fifteen thousand New Zealand dollars and

1240
00:58:49,493 --> 00:58:51,613
Speaker 2: a loan, you only have to pay back three thousand

1241
00:58:52,413 --> 00:58:53,333
Speaker 2: New Zealand dollars.

1242
00:58:53,493 --> 00:58:53,693
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1243
00:58:54,053 --> 00:58:56,293
Speaker 2: So you know what's that fifteen hundred pounds?

1244
00:58:57,133 --> 00:58:58,693
Speaker 3: Yeah right, that's right.

1245
00:58:59,573 --> 00:59:00,133
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

1246
00:59:00,173 --> 00:59:01,533
Speaker 3: I mean there's not a lot of sympathy out there

1247
00:59:01,573 --> 00:59:02,413
Speaker 3: for these students.

1248
00:59:02,573 --> 00:59:05,253
Speaker 2: No, I mean, would the UK government allow us to

1249
00:59:05,333 --> 00:59:09,453
Speaker 2: send in the essays to you know, pal into these

1250
00:59:09,773 --> 00:59:15,813
Speaker 2: are these debted, indebted students and steal their TVs and such.

1251
00:59:16,293 --> 00:59:19,133
Speaker 3: We should start the conversation. You look like like like

1252
00:59:19,893 --> 00:59:23,253
Speaker 3: you know, repo men back very shortly. We've taking your

1253
00:59:23,293 --> 00:59:25,133
Speaker 3: CALLLSZ one hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's twenty seven

1254
00:59:25,133 --> 00:59:25,533
Speaker 3: past two.

1255
00:59:29,453 --> 00:59:32,813
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1256
00:59:32,893 --> 00:59:35,093
Speaker 1: eighty eight on youth Talk ZB.

1257
00:59:35,293 --> 00:59:37,933
Speaker 3: Twenty nine past to get to a few texts on

1258
00:59:38,013 --> 00:59:38,693
Speaker 3: non to No two.

1259
00:59:39,533 --> 00:59:41,693
Speaker 2: My nephew has been a bit of a whiz and

1260
00:59:41,813 --> 00:59:44,053
Speaker 2: been on cheers he since he's fifteen. He's at UNI

1261
00:59:44,213 --> 00:59:48,853
Speaker 2: and has invested all his student loan on the stock market.

1262
00:59:49,293 --> 00:59:50,653
Speaker 2: Be it on him if it fails.

1263
00:59:50,933 --> 00:59:56,133
Speaker 3: So look, smart kid, you can't deny that's as it's

1264
00:59:56,213 --> 00:59:59,373
Speaker 3: gaming the system. Yes, wow, but hopefully it will pay

1265
00:59:59,413 --> 00:59:59,933
Speaker 3: off from.

1266
01:00:00,493 --> 01:00:03,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you've invested in the New Zealand space

1267
01:00:04,333 --> 01:00:08,093
Speaker 2: tech sector, yeah maybe, but yeah risky.

1268
01:00:08,773 --> 01:00:09,333
Speaker 3: It is risky.

1269
01:00:09,733 --> 01:00:12,213
Speaker 2: It's a long known trick borrowing it interest free and

1270
01:00:12,253 --> 01:00:14,253
Speaker 2: investing it. But it does state in the rules you

1271
01:00:14,333 --> 01:00:16,613
Speaker 2: are not allowed to do that and they can force

1272
01:00:16,653 --> 01:00:19,933
Speaker 2: you to repay it. Right, yeah, Okay, how hard do

1273
01:00:19,973 --> 01:00:22,813
Speaker 2: they invested? It might be a difficult thing to investigate.

1274
01:00:23,133 --> 01:00:26,613
Speaker 3: It probably would fall under fraud, wouldn't it. I think

1275
01:00:26,653 --> 01:00:29,853
Speaker 3: if they did find out you were doing that. Keep

1276
01:00:29,853 --> 01:00:31,813
Speaker 3: those teams coming through on nine two nine two and

1277
01:00:31,853 --> 01:00:33,453
Speaker 3: we're taking your calls. I know eight hundred and eighty

1278
01:00:33,493 --> 01:00:35,173
Speaker 3: ten eighty Hi.

1279
01:00:35,173 --> 01:00:37,493
Speaker 2: Boys, been a blue collar, hard working builder for twelve

1280
01:00:37,573 --> 01:00:39,893
Speaker 2: years now, since I was sixteen, paid all my own

1281
01:00:40,013 --> 01:00:42,813
Speaker 2: trade fee costs, had to buy all my own tools,

1282
01:00:42,893 --> 01:00:45,973
Speaker 2: vehicle and running costs. Now at UNI studying my construction diploma,

1283
01:00:46,013 --> 01:00:49,053
Speaker 2: which is all out of my back pocket and in

1284
01:00:49,173 --> 01:00:52,173
Speaker 2: my own time. These clowns should absolutely be held accountable.

1285
01:00:52,413 --> 01:00:54,533
Speaker 2: Why should us hard working folk who have been paying

1286
01:00:54,613 --> 01:00:56,973
Speaker 2: tax our whole working lives have to pay for them

1287
01:00:57,053 --> 01:01:00,493
Speaker 2: to get a free ride? Cheers James, I mean, yeah,

1288
01:01:00,573 --> 01:01:01,653
Speaker 2: that is the crust of it, isn't it.

1289
01:01:01,733 --> 01:01:04,293
Speaker 3: It certainly is. Headlines with railing come in up and

1290
01:01:04,413 --> 01:01:05,893
Speaker 3: of course we are taking more of your calls. Oh

1291
01:01:05,893 --> 01:01:08,253
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back very shortly.

1292
01:01:10,053 --> 01:01:13,693
Speaker 15: Youth talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1293
01:01:13,813 --> 01:01:17,413
Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Taxpayer's Unions revealed

1294
01:01:17,453 --> 01:01:20,453
Speaker 15: the Reserve Bank spent just over eight hundred and fifty

1295
01:01:20,533 --> 01:01:24,893
Speaker 15: thousand dollars last financial year flying staff between its Wellington

1296
01:01:24,973 --> 01:01:29,653
Speaker 15: and Auckland officers. Twice convicted double murderer Marked Lundy's release

1297
01:01:29,773 --> 01:01:33,773
Speaker 15: conditions have eased letting him speak to journalists. He can

1298
01:01:33,853 --> 01:01:37,613
Speaker 15: access social media sites but can't post or create a profile.

1299
01:01:38,093 --> 01:01:41,333
Speaker 15: His ban from pawn and dating sites and isn't allowed

1300
01:01:41,373 --> 01:01:47,093
Speaker 15: to be in Hastings, Manawatu, Rangitike and Nelson AUT's annual

1301
01:01:47,173 --> 01:01:51,413
Speaker 15: media Ownership report finds podcasts of filling a current affairs

1302
01:01:51,533 --> 01:01:56,453
Speaker 15: gap in legacy media. INTEID Food Safety says moldy lunches

1303
01:01:56,493 --> 01:01:59,613
Speaker 15: served that a christ Church school were an isolated incident,

1304
01:02:00,013 --> 01:02:02,773
Speaker 15: but maintains its likely they were lunches from the previous

1305
01:02:02,853 --> 01:02:06,853
Speaker 15: week mixed in with fresh servings. Police are asking for

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01:02:06,933 --> 01:02:10,213
Speaker 15: any sightings of a distinct of red Holden club sport

1307
01:02:10,653 --> 01:02:13,973
Speaker 15: stolen from a Palmerston North property on Sunday. It's being

1308
01:02:14,053 --> 01:02:18,053
Speaker 15: restored and has no side windows, no badges or decals.

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Speaker 15: Australia's social media ban for under sixteen's goes into effect today.

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Speaker 15: How will it actually work? You can find out more

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Speaker 15: at Ensidherrald Premium. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we are talking

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01:02:32,053 --> 01:02:36,253
Speaker 3: about student debt of those living overseas who took out

1314
01:02:36,293 --> 01:02:38,453
Speaker 3: a student loan on behalf of the text bay. They

1315
01:02:38,533 --> 01:02:40,373
Speaker 3: haven't paid it back. Now the Green Party is saying

1316
01:02:40,413 --> 01:02:42,653
Speaker 3: they want to come home for Christmas, but they're worried. Yeah,

1317
01:02:42,653 --> 01:02:43,413
Speaker 3: they're going to be stopped.

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Speaker 2: The Green Party of atier Row in New Zealand has

1319
01:02:45,893 --> 01:02:49,053
Speaker 2: surveyed four hundred New Zealanders living overseas. According to the survey,

1320
01:02:49,173 --> 01:02:51,733
Speaker 2: seventy one percent of those overseas borrows are overdue on

1321
01:02:51,813 --> 01:02:56,253
Speaker 2: their student loan repayments and eighty two percent say they worry,

1322
01:02:56,933 --> 01:03:00,733
Speaker 2: worried or extremely worried about their loans.

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01:03:01,373 --> 01:03:02,613
Speaker 3: Do you have the same sympathy.

1324
01:03:02,653 --> 01:03:08,693
Speaker 2: They're asking for an inquiry into the situation, and they

1325
01:03:08,733 --> 01:03:12,173
Speaker 2: would look at whether the penalty system is disproportionately punitive,

1326
01:03:12,773 --> 01:03:17,013
Speaker 2: whether interest for overseas borrows is fear or counterproductive, how

1327
01:03:17,093 --> 01:03:20,613
Speaker 2: much debt is realistically recoverable, whether the current system contributes

1328
01:03:20,653 --> 01:03:24,093
Speaker 2: to a brain drain, and options for modernizing repayment systems

1329
01:03:24,173 --> 01:03:27,453
Speaker 2: for the global workforce. But go say there's not a

1330
01:03:27,453 --> 01:03:29,893
Speaker 2: lot of sympathy coming through on the phones or texts,

1331
01:03:30,413 --> 01:03:35,093
Speaker 2: and look, we've sort of uncovered something that it's hardly

1332
01:03:35,733 --> 01:03:39,373
Speaker 2: a huge scoop, but people gaming the system on the

1333
01:03:39,613 --> 01:03:42,653
Speaker 2: interest free loans in New Zealand, this Texas sees my

1334
01:03:42,773 --> 01:03:45,213
Speaker 2: daughter's UNI friends. All of them get student loans to

1335
01:03:45,333 --> 01:03:48,213
Speaker 2: the max, take the money and invest it in good

1336
01:03:48,253 --> 01:03:51,053
Speaker 2: investment slash returns. They all have part time jobs to

1337
01:03:51,053 --> 01:03:53,733
Speaker 2: get by, pay rent, et cetera, and supportive parents financially.

1338
01:03:54,253 --> 01:03:57,533
Speaker 2: Then they go traveling overseas each summer, living the dream.

1339
01:03:57,733 --> 01:04:00,253
Speaker 2: Back in the day, I worked all summers to pay

1340
01:04:00,573 --> 01:04:03,573
Speaker 2: for my next year UNI. No loan nor overseas travel

1341
01:04:03,613 --> 01:04:06,493
Speaker 2: for me until I was actually working. Times have changed,

1342
01:04:06,773 --> 01:04:07,413
Speaker 2: that's from Paul.

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01:04:08,493 --> 01:04:10,573
Speaker 3: Is that the reason why you're hardly at university?

1344
01:04:10,653 --> 01:04:12,733
Speaker 2: It's about twenty four weeks a year, isn't it. That's

1345
01:04:12,813 --> 01:04:14,533
Speaker 2: so you can work over the summer to pay for

1346
01:04:14,613 --> 01:04:15,773
Speaker 2: the twenty four years, right, I.

1347
01:04:15,813 --> 01:04:17,693
Speaker 3: Think that's part of it. Yeah, that's certainly what I

1348
01:04:17,773 --> 01:04:19,733
Speaker 3: had to do, because I wasn't smart enough to or

1349
01:04:19,853 --> 01:04:21,973
Speaker 3: actually rich enough or have rich enough parents to allow

1350
01:04:22,093 --> 01:04:24,093
Speaker 3: me to put it in a week savings account and

1351
01:04:24,253 --> 01:04:24,773
Speaker 3: get some interest.

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01:04:24,813 --> 01:04:26,813
Speaker 2: Well, you're in an unhappy zone where your parents just

1353
01:04:27,013 --> 01:04:30,093
Speaker 2: have enough money that you can't get help yeap, but

1354
01:04:30,293 --> 01:04:32,413
Speaker 2: not rich enough to pay for anything on which I

1355
01:04:32,453 --> 01:04:34,133
Speaker 2: think is a lot of people out there, right, Yeah, Yeah,

1356
01:04:34,173 --> 01:04:35,693
Speaker 2: so you have to work over the summer but any

1357
01:04:35,733 --> 01:04:37,733
Speaker 2: of those summer jobs go our great memories.

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01:04:37,813 --> 01:04:40,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, good times on the summer job. Jude, how are you?

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01:04:41,813 --> 01:04:44,333
Speaker 3: It's Jeane, Oh Jean, Sorry, now you's a.

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Speaker 24: Good afternoon, Maddon Tyler afternoon.

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01:04:46,733 --> 01:04:47,373
Speaker 4: Yes, I can go.

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Speaker 24: This is in reply to Catherine, A very dangerous path

1363
01:04:53,493 --> 01:04:56,253
Speaker 24: to be going down. As all the stories that you've

1364
01:04:56,293 --> 01:04:59,533
Speaker 24: been getting in. Believe me, this was still prevalent. Way

1365
01:04:59,653 --> 01:05:02,973
Speaker 24: back twenty years ago. We were at a party with

1366
01:05:03,213 --> 01:05:07,093
Speaker 24: the grandparents of a bright young man who, when irrigated

1367
01:05:07,133 --> 01:05:10,933
Speaker 24: with several glasses of water, enjoyed telling me how sharp

1368
01:05:10,973 --> 01:05:14,333
Speaker 24: he was in business, how he'd taken everything he had,

1369
01:05:14,853 --> 01:05:17,253
Speaker 24: and he traveled half an hour a day to his

1370
01:05:17,453 --> 01:05:20,933
Speaker 24: parents who gave him free everything, his grandparents, who gave

1371
01:05:21,013 --> 01:05:24,933
Speaker 24: him free everything, and then took living from home allowance,

1372
01:05:25,093 --> 01:05:28,853
Speaker 24: anything he could get, invested it in shares and was.

1373
01:05:28,933 --> 01:05:29,693
Speaker 3: Doing very well.

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01:05:29,813 --> 01:05:32,133
Speaker 24: I know at that time. I did very well with

1375
01:05:32,253 --> 01:05:35,133
Speaker 24: my shares for about ten years. And then he skipped

1376
01:05:35,173 --> 01:05:38,373
Speaker 24: the country with his mother, and the parents had died

1377
01:05:38,453 --> 01:05:44,573
Speaker 24: by that time and hopefully well whatever Australia got him anyway,

1378
01:05:45,013 --> 01:05:47,133
Speaker 24: and his mother she was well up in the health

1379
01:05:47,213 --> 01:05:51,373
Speaker 24: department and she could have easily helped him out. But

1380
01:05:52,613 --> 01:05:57,813
Speaker 24: this has been done since Donkey's ages ago. I might

1381
01:05:57,893 --> 01:06:01,733
Speaker 24: add that my three sons that did university, two of

1382
01:06:01,813 --> 01:06:06,813
Speaker 24: them came through without any loan at all un Australia

1383
01:06:06,973 --> 01:06:13,173
Speaker 24: to the scholarship level, one in Japan, one in one

1384
01:06:13,253 --> 01:06:16,773
Speaker 24: in Canterbury for a couple of years doing full time

1385
01:06:16,933 --> 01:06:20,773
Speaker 24: jobs in the daytime and fitting in their study at night,

1386
01:06:21,413 --> 01:06:24,973
Speaker 24: and the one in Japan. He had a small one

1387
01:06:25,053 --> 01:06:28,693
Speaker 24: eleven thousand, which he paid off very quickly working full

1388
01:06:28,773 --> 01:06:32,093
Speaker 24: time as a teacher. And I had to hound my

1389
01:06:32,213 --> 01:06:36,253
Speaker 24: grandson though. I cut out a piece of an advertisement

1390
01:06:36,333 --> 01:06:39,533
Speaker 24: in the Northern South magazine to impress on him that

1391
01:06:39,613 --> 01:06:42,653
Speaker 24: he could be arrested at the border because he had

1392
01:06:42,693 --> 01:06:45,373
Speaker 24: a big student loan. It took him about seven years

1393
01:06:45,453 --> 01:06:51,213
Speaker 24: to become a physical education teacher. But you know, he

1394
01:06:51,253 --> 01:06:54,493
Speaker 24: would have got into trouble if I hadn't pushed him

1395
01:06:54,573 --> 01:06:59,093
Speaker 24: to do the right thing. And eventually his grandfather came

1396
01:06:59,173 --> 01:07:02,613
Speaker 24: up with the last ten thousand. But it's up to parents,

1397
01:07:02,693 --> 01:07:05,053
Speaker 24: and grandparents takes the children to be honest.

1398
01:07:05,613 --> 01:07:07,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you think so, you know, you talk to

1399
01:07:07,893 --> 01:07:11,733
Speaker 2: this young man who was well arrogated on some wines

1400
01:07:11,773 --> 01:07:15,773
Speaker 2: at the party. Do you know firstly, do you know

1401
01:07:15,973 --> 01:07:19,773
Speaker 2: if that paid off investing in the stock market? Do

1402
01:07:19,773 --> 01:07:21,093
Speaker 2: you know if that paid off for him or it

1403
01:07:21,133 --> 01:07:23,573
Speaker 2: blew up in his face? And second question, do you

1404
01:07:23,653 --> 01:07:25,013
Speaker 2: think it's morally wrong to do that?

1405
01:07:26,573 --> 01:07:27,333
Speaker 13: Of course it is.

1406
01:07:29,933 --> 01:07:32,853
Speaker 24: Well you just pointed out. I've been listening all the time.

1407
01:07:32,973 --> 01:07:35,373
Speaker 24: You pointed out that's in the contract that they shouldn't

1408
01:07:35,413 --> 01:07:35,613
Speaker 24: do that.

1409
01:07:36,893 --> 01:07:41,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's your point. Look, I say, Gene, that

1410
01:07:42,173 --> 01:07:44,453
Speaker 3: gaming the system happens all the time. And the cat

1411
01:07:44,533 --> 01:07:46,293
Speaker 3: throom which you rang, and you said you knew people

1412
01:07:46,333 --> 01:07:48,813
Speaker 3: that did it, and there's many other people that do it.

1413
01:07:48,893 --> 01:07:51,013
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, look, it's more. Of course it's

1414
01:07:51,053 --> 01:07:53,853
Speaker 3: morally wrong, but it's going to happen. And should they

1415
01:07:53,933 --> 01:07:54,493
Speaker 3: be lined up?

1416
01:07:54,853 --> 01:07:58,133
Speaker 2: What about the text we got from that trade that's

1417
01:07:58,133 --> 01:08:01,413
Speaker 2: paid for everything in his life and since sixteen has

1418
01:08:01,573 --> 01:08:05,573
Speaker 2: been working hard and paying taxes just to cover these

1419
01:08:06,453 --> 01:08:09,573
Speaker 2: these dishonest students who were gaming the system. Because who

1420
01:08:09,613 --> 01:08:12,973
Speaker 2: pays for it? Yeah, the taxpayers, the people that are

1421
01:08:13,013 --> 01:08:14,933
Speaker 2: out there working, they pay for the gaming the system.

1422
01:08:14,933 --> 01:08:17,293
Speaker 2: The only person you're gaming is your fellow New Zealander.

1423
01:08:17,372 --> 01:08:20,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he is on a firmer footing on a

1424
01:08:20,532 --> 01:08:25,012
Speaker 3: morality stance, but he's arguably poorer. Morality doesn't pay the bills.

1425
01:08:25,893 --> 01:08:28,732
Speaker 3: Well why don't you just go do not make it right? Yeah,

1426
01:08:28,732 --> 01:08:30,612
Speaker 3: well why don't you go and ram ray to Michael

1427
01:08:30,652 --> 01:08:33,852
Speaker 3: Hill Jewelers. Then these days they've got a lot of fog,

1428
01:08:33,893 --> 01:08:36,973
Speaker 3: canon and stuff. Thank you for your call, gene O

1429
01:08:37,053 --> 01:08:39,412
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

1430
01:08:39,492 --> 01:08:42,732
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety two is the text? Is it wrong to

1431
01:08:42,853 --> 01:08:45,772
Speaker 3: game the system? I love to hear from you. I

1432
01:08:45,853 --> 01:08:47,012
Speaker 3: think we're going to get some pushback.

1433
01:08:47,173 --> 01:08:49,932
Speaker 2: I mean you're you're using a youth physic femism there.

1434
01:08:50,093 --> 01:08:54,092
Speaker 2: It's commit fraud, Tyler. Just because the person you're committing

1435
01:08:54,093 --> 01:08:56,652
Speaker 2: fraud against is the New Zealand taxpayer doesn't make it

1436
01:08:56,732 --> 01:08:57,213
Speaker 2: any less.

1437
01:08:57,293 --> 01:08:59,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, if the I is listening, I never did it myself.

1438
01:08:59,612 --> 01:09:02,333
Speaker 3: Just want to point that out back in the moddo

1439
01:09:02,853 --> 01:09:05,293
Speaker 3: it's nineteen to three, have a.

1440
01:09:05,372 --> 01:09:09,293
Speaker 1: Chat with the lads on eighty Mat Heath and Tyler

1441
01:09:09,333 --> 01:09:11,732
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news Talk said.

1442
01:09:11,612 --> 01:09:14,652
Speaker 3: Be it is sixteen to three and we've been talking

1443
01:09:14,652 --> 01:09:19,932
Speaker 3: about student loan dead of those living overseas or turn

1444
01:09:20,013 --> 01:09:22,093
Speaker 3: on your mic man geez, you got one job.

1445
01:09:24,293 --> 01:09:26,452
Speaker 2: The Greens have done a survey of four hundred years

1446
01:09:26,452 --> 01:09:28,253
Speaker 2: in it is Living Overseas and have found that seventy

1447
01:09:28,293 --> 01:09:31,612
Speaker 2: one percent of overseas boroughs overdue on their loans student loans.

1448
01:09:31,652 --> 01:09:34,293
Speaker 2: Eighty two percent say they worried or extremely worried about

1449
01:09:34,333 --> 01:09:37,333
Speaker 2: their loans. This text has done a survey of their office.

1450
01:09:37,452 --> 01:09:40,293
Speaker 2: Nice quick survey in the office in eighty five percent

1451
01:09:40,333 --> 01:09:42,412
Speaker 2: of respondents not stressed at all because they pay back

1452
01:09:42,452 --> 01:09:44,293
Speaker 2: their loans as per obligations.

1453
01:09:44,333 --> 01:09:45,892
Speaker 3: You see, Tyler.

1454
01:09:46,133 --> 01:09:48,933
Speaker 2: You know, you may celebrate dishonesty, but there is a

1455
01:09:49,013 --> 01:09:53,253
Speaker 2: price to pay for dishonesty, and that is an unsettled spirit.

1456
01:09:54,053 --> 01:09:54,253
Speaker 20: You know.

1457
01:09:54,572 --> 01:09:57,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're honestly doing the right thing, then you

1458
01:09:57,492 --> 01:10:01,373
Speaker 2: sleep better at night. You may you may prosper financially,

1459
01:10:01,532 --> 01:10:08,253
Speaker 2: but how does your soul suffer? Yeah, as this Texas says, really, Tyler,

1460
01:10:08,732 --> 01:10:11,253
Speaker 2: how could you promote that on the radio? Morality doesn't

1461
01:10:11,293 --> 01:10:13,973
Speaker 2: pay the bills. It's not even funny to joke about that,

1462
01:10:14,213 --> 01:10:15,092
Speaker 2: Tyler says, Bryce.

1463
01:10:15,173 --> 01:10:17,772
Speaker 3: I got a good giggle out of it, Bryce. And

1464
01:10:17,933 --> 01:10:19,652
Speaker 3: if you've been honest, Bryce, you did to mate.

1465
01:10:19,652 --> 01:10:24,372
Speaker 2: Come on, it's Christmas, it's Christmas and Christmas is christmassing.

1466
01:10:24,492 --> 01:10:26,692
Speaker 3: We can put a reality to one side and just

1467
01:10:26,772 --> 01:10:29,372
Speaker 3: go hard. Just do what you want to do Christmas hard. Yeah,

1468
01:10:29,492 --> 01:10:32,893
Speaker 3: Christmas is the time of giving, not drifting. Yeah, what

1469
01:10:32,933 --> 01:10:33,572
Speaker 3: would stand to do?

1470
01:10:33,772 --> 01:10:35,932
Speaker 2: This TEXTA says, hey, guys, I did my commercial helicopter

1471
01:10:36,013 --> 01:10:39,372
Speaker 2: license in two thousand and seven Slash eight, one of

1472
01:10:39,412 --> 01:10:42,093
Speaker 2: the last classes to have full loan cover for a

1473
01:10:42,173 --> 01:10:45,372
Speaker 2: CPL ninety five K loan paid off earlier this year.

1474
01:10:45,812 --> 01:10:48,732
Speaker 2: Several of my class never continued with aviation. Some ticked

1475
01:10:48,772 --> 01:10:52,452
Speaker 2: up extra qualifications into the mid hundred thousands. Wish I'd

1476
01:10:52,492 --> 01:10:55,173
Speaker 2: done a trade instead and invested it and shares, but

1477
01:10:55,333 --> 01:10:57,213
Speaker 2: stuck at and have made a reasonable go of it.

1478
01:10:57,492 --> 01:10:59,972
Speaker 2: What caught many people out is a realization that getting

1479
01:11:00,013 --> 01:11:01,372
Speaker 2: your license doesn't get you a job.

1480
01:11:01,732 --> 01:11:03,692
Speaker 3: It only gets you the chance to start at the

1481
01:11:03,772 --> 01:11:05,612
Speaker 3: bottom of the bottom year. We've talked about this on

1482
01:11:05,652 --> 01:11:06,133
Speaker 3: the show before.

1483
01:11:06,173 --> 01:11:08,732
Speaker 2: It's pretty rough and for nearly one hundred kN that

1484
01:11:08,933 --> 01:11:11,572
Speaker 2: was a tough pill to swallow. If I'd gone overseas,

1485
01:11:11,933 --> 01:11:13,732
Speaker 2: I shuddered to think how much I.

1486
01:11:13,772 --> 01:11:17,732
Speaker 3: Would oach is Well, it's an insights. Julie.

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01:11:17,933 --> 01:11:20,052
Speaker 2: Welcome to show. You've got kids overseas.

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01:11:21,692 --> 01:11:24,093
Speaker 19: Yeah I have. I've got son and daughter overseas. I

1489
01:11:24,293 --> 01:11:26,372
Speaker 19: just thought i'd throw my two cents.

1490
01:11:26,133 --> 01:11:26,612
Speaker 5: At worth in.

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01:11:27,253 --> 01:11:32,453
Speaker 19: My son left back in twenty twenty. He's an electrically

1492
01:11:32,492 --> 01:11:35,173
Speaker 19: engineer and he just couldn't get work here in the area.

1493
01:11:35,293 --> 01:11:37,213
Speaker 19: Wanted to work, so he went to Australia and got

1494
01:11:37,253 --> 01:11:40,972
Speaker 19: a job straight away. So immediately he had to start

1495
01:11:41,692 --> 01:11:48,372
Speaker 19: paying his student loan and incurring interest, so he made

1496
01:11:48,412 --> 01:11:50,412
Speaker 19: sure that he repaid it. He didn't want to be

1497
01:11:50,612 --> 01:11:53,692
Speaker 19: in the position of not being able to return or

1498
01:11:53,812 --> 01:11:57,532
Speaker 19: having a grown debt. And the thing is, I mean

1499
01:11:57,973 --> 01:12:01,093
Speaker 19: people who think they can get away with it to

1500
01:12:01,213 --> 01:12:05,572
Speaker 19: be frank quite stupid, because the ILD track you in

1501
01:12:05,692 --> 01:12:08,933
Speaker 19: and out of the country. I'm my son's tax so

1502
01:12:09,173 --> 01:12:12,532
Speaker 19: I have access to his tax records to keep track

1503
01:12:12,612 --> 01:12:15,093
Speaker 19: of any tax issues that might arise for them here,

1504
01:12:15,652 --> 01:12:17,452
Speaker 19: and they track you in and out. I can see

1505
01:12:17,532 --> 01:12:19,692
Speaker 19: all his trips in and out over the period he's

1506
01:12:19,692 --> 01:12:24,293
Speaker 19: been overseas, and they will tap you on the shoulder

1507
01:12:24,333 --> 01:12:26,333
Speaker 19: as you're trying to leave the country if you haven't

1508
01:12:26,412 --> 01:12:30,012
Speaker 19: paid and you've signed an agreement that says you will report.

1509
01:12:30,013 --> 01:12:32,172
Speaker 19: It's just like signing a mortgage.

1510
01:12:32,532 --> 01:12:34,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Julie, we've got people that are texting in

1511
01:12:34,452 --> 01:12:38,692
Speaker 2: like there was a couple of people that oversees there

1512
01:12:38,732 --> 01:12:41,892
Speaker 2: in their late forties have run up a massive, massive,

1513
01:12:41,973 --> 01:12:47,253
Speaker 2: massive debt belt and what they're doing is there their

1514
01:12:47,372 --> 01:12:50,052
Speaker 2: parents are flying in to see their grandchildren. They've decided

1515
01:12:50,133 --> 01:12:52,812
Speaker 2: never to go home, and they're catching up with family

1516
01:12:53,133 --> 01:12:55,572
Speaker 2: as the family traveling to see them as opposed to

1517
01:12:55,652 --> 01:12:57,652
Speaker 2: them coming home. They've just accepted the never coming back

1518
01:12:57,692 --> 01:12:58,492
Speaker 2: and they never paying.

1519
01:12:58,333 --> 01:12:58,732
Speaker 3: Back the bell.

1520
01:12:59,853 --> 01:13:03,133
Speaker 19: And that's just kind of sad, I mean, but you know,

1521
01:13:03,213 --> 01:13:05,772
Speaker 19: the trouble is you get compounding interest and if you

1522
01:13:05,853 --> 01:13:09,852
Speaker 19: don't pay so that debt will grow. Really and as

1523
01:13:09,893 --> 01:13:12,173
Speaker 19: far as the Greens go, I think they're just mad

1524
01:13:12,372 --> 01:13:15,412
Speaker 19: because what they're saying is, oh, people shouldn't have to

1525
01:13:15,492 --> 01:13:20,412
Speaker 19: take responsibility for an agreement they've signed, you know. And

1526
01:13:20,572 --> 01:13:23,213
Speaker 19: you have to understand that my son's repaid his loan

1527
01:13:23,293 --> 01:13:26,492
Speaker 19: and he didn't want to be in that position. Granted,

1528
01:13:26,812 --> 01:13:28,572
Speaker 19: you know, we could help him out a little bit.

1529
01:13:28,692 --> 01:13:30,852
Speaker 19: We felt bad that he had to leave the country

1530
01:13:30,893 --> 01:13:34,412
Speaker 19: to get the work he wanted. We were lucky, you

1531
01:13:34,492 --> 01:13:37,412
Speaker 19: know that we're financial enough to do that. But my

1532
01:13:37,612 --> 01:13:42,692
Speaker 19: daughter also when she probably repaid probably about two thirds

1533
01:13:42,732 --> 01:13:45,732
Speaker 19: of her loan when she left, and that was obviously

1534
01:13:45,853 --> 01:13:48,293
Speaker 19: interest free. She was paying it through her salary because

1535
01:13:48,333 --> 01:13:50,612
Speaker 19: they basically you don't have a choice, they take it

1536
01:13:50,692 --> 01:13:53,892
Speaker 19: off you. But again she's repaid it to get rid

1537
01:13:53,933 --> 01:13:58,772
Speaker 19: of it. And I think Tyler, in terms of your comments,

1538
01:14:01,772 --> 01:14:05,692
Speaker 19: if you invest somewhere else, then that is fraud. And

1539
01:14:05,812 --> 01:14:08,492
Speaker 19: if you get caught, trust me, the IOD will have

1540
01:14:08,572 --> 01:14:09,412
Speaker 19: a real goatcha.

1541
01:14:10,053 --> 01:14:13,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, roller dies for those other people, duly not me,

1542
01:14:13,692 --> 01:14:17,852
Speaker 3: though I'm squeaky clean. They can order me and you'll

1543
01:14:17,893 --> 01:14:20,452
Speaker 3: find nothing. Richard, your thoughts on.

1544
01:14:20,452 --> 01:14:20,772
Speaker 2: All of this.

1545
01:14:22,772 --> 01:14:25,532
Speaker 9: Yes, the Green said that interviewed four hundred people and

1546
01:14:25,652 --> 01:14:29,053
Speaker 9: seventy five percent of them are concerned. So that's three

1547
01:14:29,133 --> 01:14:33,893
Speaker 9: hundred people. There's about one hundred thousand plus students in

1548
01:14:33,933 --> 01:14:37,412
Speaker 9: New Zealand at the moment. I think the total loans

1549
01:14:37,612 --> 01:14:42,412
Speaker 9: was to one point two million people, and we're worried

1550
01:14:42,412 --> 01:14:45,253
Speaker 9: about three hundred people that have obviously probably done a

1551
01:14:45,333 --> 01:14:47,772
Speaker 9: BA which when I was at Varsiti that was a

1552
01:14:47,812 --> 01:14:52,132
Speaker 9: bachelor of bugger all and probably haven't taken responsibility for anything.

1553
01:14:53,333 --> 01:14:56,933
Speaker 9: So I am not in favor of any inquiry and

1554
01:14:57,053 --> 01:15:01,372
Speaker 9: those three hundred people can pay their dues as far

1555
01:15:01,452 --> 01:15:05,732
Speaker 9: as the rat with buying shares and investing money. When

1556
01:15:05,772 --> 01:15:09,572
Speaker 9: I was at varsity in ninety three, that was going

1557
01:15:09,652 --> 01:15:11,572
Speaker 9: on then, So it's been going on a while.

1558
01:15:12,772 --> 01:15:15,932
Speaker 2: But back then you were paying eight percent on your loan,

1559
01:15:16,013 --> 01:15:17,372
Speaker 2: weren't you back in ninety three.

1560
01:15:18,452 --> 01:15:22,333
Speaker 9: Yeah, once you finished, Once you finished, there was studies.

1561
01:15:22,492 --> 01:15:23,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no interest where you were there. But

1562
01:15:23,853 --> 01:15:25,012
Speaker 3: as soon as you were out and about.

1563
01:15:25,652 --> 01:15:27,612
Speaker 9: You finished, ye, you're paying interest.

1564
01:15:27,732 --> 01:15:27,932
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1565
01:15:28,013 --> 01:15:30,573
Speaker 3: I wonder if the old student and then they changed.

1566
01:15:30,293 --> 01:15:34,053
Speaker 9: It in mid I think it's the mid two thousands,

1567
01:15:34,133 --> 01:15:36,052
Speaker 9: two thousand and seven and eight. If you were working

1568
01:15:36,133 --> 01:15:37,972
Speaker 9: New Zealand, you didn't pay interest.

1569
01:15:38,452 --> 01:15:42,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so the taxpayer took that bill for you

1570
01:15:42,612 --> 01:15:44,812
Speaker 2: because that interested. Yeah, that interestill has to.

1571
01:15:44,812 --> 01:15:46,732
Speaker 3: Be paid because the government's borrowed that money.

1572
01:15:46,812 --> 01:15:46,972
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1573
01:15:47,093 --> 01:15:49,452
Speaker 3: Drigging the old interest free student loans was a mistake.

1574
01:15:49,492 --> 01:15:51,052
Speaker 3: It was brought in by the hell and Clark government

1575
01:15:51,093 --> 01:15:52,893
Speaker 3: and I think it was an election bride at the

1576
01:15:52,973 --> 01:15:54,452
Speaker 3: end of the day. It got them across the line.

1577
01:15:54,692 --> 01:15:56,492
Speaker 3: But looking at the people that gained the system, and

1578
01:15:56,532 --> 01:16:00,173
Speaker 3: there's a lot out there, and you know, the mentality

1579
01:16:00,253 --> 01:16:01,932
Speaker 3: that I can go and study and it's just money.

1580
01:16:01,973 --> 01:16:03,612
Speaker 3: I don't really need to worry about paying it back.

1581
01:16:03,692 --> 01:16:06,692
Speaker 3: It just sits there interest free. Maybe that was the

1582
01:16:06,772 --> 01:16:10,972
Speaker 3: wrong type of carrot. Well, I agree, you could totally agree.

1583
01:16:11,053 --> 01:16:15,412
Speaker 9: And certainly giving people the first year free fees again

1584
01:16:15,572 --> 01:16:19,852
Speaker 9: was a stupid idea. But I mean, politicians and their

1585
01:16:19,893 --> 01:16:23,732
Speaker 9: best intentions do what they think is right. But this

1586
01:16:23,933 --> 01:16:27,572
Speaker 9: one by the Greens, this is really really left field,

1587
01:16:27,612 --> 01:16:30,053
Speaker 9: and it's such a small number of people that are

1588
01:16:30,053 --> 01:16:33,692
Speaker 9: the real bad bastards. You just can't be bothered ringing

1589
01:16:33,732 --> 01:16:36,892
Speaker 9: IDA or emailing IOD and getting in touch with them.

1590
01:16:37,093 --> 01:16:40,093
Speaker 9: They just the attitude. I got the money, I don't

1591
01:16:40,093 --> 01:16:40,732
Speaker 9: want to pay it back.

1592
01:16:40,893 --> 01:16:42,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, spot on. Thank you Richard.

1593
01:16:42,293 --> 01:16:44,053
Speaker 2: Sorry you cut out there for a second, but thank

1594
01:16:44,133 --> 01:16:45,372
Speaker 2: you for your call.

1595
01:16:45,612 --> 01:16:47,972
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number

1596
01:16:48,013 --> 01:16:51,293
Speaker 3: to call back very shortly. It is eight minutes to

1597
01:16:51,612 --> 01:16:54,013
Speaker 3: three and we've got a few texts coming through as well.

1598
01:16:54,372 --> 01:16:57,492
Speaker 2: Tell you what, Tyler, your dishonesty is really firing up

1599
01:16:57,532 --> 01:16:58,213
Speaker 2: the text machine.

1600
01:16:58,372 --> 01:17:00,692
Speaker 3: Some angry people at me. You are probably fair. Yeah,

1601
01:17:00,893 --> 01:17:03,333
Speaker 3: and if I trust you, I want to get a

1602
01:17:03,452 --> 01:17:05,253
Speaker 3: lock for my locker. Yeah, you should do actually you

1603
01:17:05,253 --> 01:17:05,973
Speaker 3: got some nice stuff in.

1604
01:17:05,973 --> 01:17:08,293
Speaker 2: That because you're now I think, just stealing my lunches,

1605
01:17:08,412 --> 01:17:10,053
Speaker 2: gaming the sister on their booking.

1606
01:17:11,853 --> 01:17:14,253
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1607
01:17:14,333 --> 01:17:17,772
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News

1608
01:17:17,893 --> 01:17:18,732
Speaker 1: Talk ZEDB.

1609
01:17:19,412 --> 01:17:22,892
Speaker 3: News Talks ZEDB. Craig, thanks for hanging on. We've got

1610
01:17:22,893 --> 01:17:25,412
Speaker 3: about sixty seconds before the news hits us. What's your thoughts?

1611
01:17:26,293 --> 01:17:28,412
Speaker 4: Okay, quickly was my views.

1612
01:17:28,452 --> 01:17:30,692
Speaker 22: If you've got a if you're worried about paying about

1613
01:17:30,692 --> 01:17:33,772
Speaker 22: getting stopped at the border, then news obviously got some

1614
01:17:33,893 --> 01:17:36,333
Speaker 22: sort of conscience. The should actually been painted to start with.

1615
01:17:36,933 --> 01:17:38,173
Speaker 22: But then the other thing, I was listening to the

1616
01:17:38,213 --> 01:17:41,133
Speaker 22: other guy about saying how they should take some sort

1617
01:17:41,173 --> 01:17:42,852
Speaker 22: of cenis on the wages when your work and ever

1618
01:17:42,933 --> 01:17:45,293
Speaker 22: seas Iregon. It's quite a good idea. It's kind of

1619
01:17:45,293 --> 01:17:47,692
Speaker 22: like American citizens, if they work in another country, part

1620
01:17:47,692 --> 01:17:49,893
Speaker 22: of their taxes go back towards the States anyway. So

1621
01:17:50,013 --> 01:17:51,572
Speaker 22: I mean, they're doing it, so I don't see why

1622
01:17:51,652 --> 01:17:54,772
Speaker 22: we couldn't do something similar to get money coming back.

1623
01:17:54,812 --> 01:17:57,333
Speaker 22: I mean, when I was training at politics years ago

1624
01:17:57,372 --> 01:17:59,852
Speaker 22: and my parents made me get extra jobs in work

1625
01:17:59,893 --> 01:18:01,732
Speaker 22: hard instead of getting alone because they said it's going

1626
01:18:01,772 --> 01:18:03,213
Speaker 22: to still a new later in life.

1627
01:18:03,253 --> 01:18:05,372
Speaker 4: I was a good work and paying back what you owe.

1628
01:18:06,253 --> 01:18:09,732
Speaker 3: They yeah, yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

1629
01:18:09,772 --> 01:18:11,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean it as an interesting

1630
01:18:11,772 --> 01:18:14,532
Speaker 2: messages into your kids when you go it's a student

1631
01:18:16,253 --> 01:18:19,333
Speaker 2: it's a interest free loan. It's so game it, you know,

1632
01:18:19,412 --> 01:18:21,012
Speaker 2: and then go out into the world. Is that saying

1633
01:18:21,093 --> 01:18:25,132
Speaker 2: game everything when when what gaming actually means is fraud.

1634
01:18:25,452 --> 01:18:27,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll get that point. It's okay to game

1635
01:18:27,293 --> 01:18:29,452
Speaker 3: the government because we don't like the government, but the

1636
01:18:29,532 --> 01:18:32,052
Speaker 3: government is really the text payers. Yeah.

1637
01:18:32,532 --> 01:18:34,492
Speaker 2: So look, we've had a great conversation. Thank you so

1638
01:18:34,572 --> 01:18:38,213
Speaker 2: much for your texts and calls on this issue. I

1639
01:18:38,333 --> 01:18:39,933
Speaker 2: think it's safe to say there's not a lot of

1640
01:18:39,973 --> 01:18:44,492
Speaker 2: sympathy out there. I think most people texting through are saying,

1641
01:18:44,732 --> 01:18:50,013
Speaker 2: if you sign on to a loan, student loan or not,

1642
01:18:50,452 --> 01:18:52,293
Speaker 2: you know what you're getting into, and then you have

1643
01:18:52,452 --> 01:18:54,612
Speaker 2: to pay that back with your overseas or not.

1644
01:18:55,013 --> 01:18:57,253
Speaker 3: Yep, you want to come home for Christmas, just pay

1645
01:18:57,293 --> 01:18:59,333
Speaker 3: your bills. That's all you need to do, and then

1646
01:18:59,372 --> 01:19:01,053
Speaker 3: you can come home and have all the Christmas put

1647
01:19:01,093 --> 01:19:03,012
Speaker 3: in you want and if we're going to throw sympathy around,

1648
01:19:03,053 --> 01:19:05,972
Speaker 3: I don't know if that is. There's only so much sympathy. Yeah,

1649
01:19:05,973 --> 01:19:07,293
Speaker 3: I don't know if these are the people that need

1650
01:19:07,372 --> 01:19:08,293
Speaker 3: that sympathy thrown at them.

1651
01:19:08,492 --> 01:19:09,492
Speaker 4: So here you go.

1652
01:19:09,652 --> 01:19:12,852
Speaker 3: All right then great checko Greens, Yeah, okay, Greens, good

1653
01:19:12,893 --> 01:19:15,532
Speaker 3: luck with that one. Great chat. They get everyone who

1654
01:19:15,692 --> 01:19:19,013
Speaker 3: called and techs come up after three o'clock. We want

1655
01:19:19,053 --> 01:19:22,013
Speaker 3: to talk about booms. Is it time we had as

1656
01:19:22,093 --> 01:19:25,732
Speaker 3: collective citizens, more pride in our own booms. Love to

1657
01:19:25,772 --> 01:19:27,452
Speaker 3: hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1658
01:19:27,853 --> 01:19:30,532
Speaker 3: nine two nine Two's that tex Newsport and weather coming up.

1659
01:19:30,612 --> 01:19:31,852
Speaker 3: Stay right here, will be back soon.

1660
01:19:35,372 --> 01:19:38,652
Speaker 1: You're on you Home for in Stateful and Entertaining Talk.

1661
01:19:38,933 --> 01:19:43,172
Speaker 1: It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

1662
01:19:43,093 --> 01:19:46,412
Speaker 3: Sebby afternoon too. You hope you're having a good Wednesday,

1663
01:19:46,532 --> 01:19:48,732
Speaker 3: seven pass three. Welcome back into the show.

1664
01:19:49,532 --> 01:19:52,452
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, Look, I have a number of threads that

1665
01:19:52,492 --> 01:19:56,013
Speaker 2: I'd run with my friends on WhatsApp and you know,

1666
01:19:56,253 --> 01:19:59,053
Speaker 2: just on my phone message yep. And you know a

1667
01:19:59,093 --> 01:20:01,372
Speaker 2: lot of dudes do this, and there's things that we

1668
01:20:01,452 --> 01:20:02,092
Speaker 2: say in the threads.

1669
01:20:02,133 --> 01:20:02,812
Speaker 3: These threads just.

1670
01:20:02,893 --> 01:20:05,532
Speaker 2: Run on and on with just endless abuse of each

1671
01:20:05,572 --> 01:20:08,612
Speaker 2: other and just trying to say the most shocking thing,

1672
01:20:09,173 --> 01:20:13,612
Speaker 2: you know, cancelable stuff, and it's just whatever anyone sees

1673
01:20:13,772 --> 01:20:16,932
Speaker 2: or does, it's just the biggest insult that goes next,

1674
01:20:17,053 --> 01:20:19,612
Speaker 2: and then it just escalates. Yes, you know, if it

1675
01:20:19,732 --> 01:20:24,293
Speaker 2: was ever printed out, it would be considered just crime basically.

1676
01:20:24,452 --> 01:20:27,652
Speaker 2: And look, I do this with nearly all my male friends.

1677
01:20:28,093 --> 01:20:29,893
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's such a big thing with

1678
01:20:30,253 --> 01:20:32,372
Speaker 2: female friend groups, but in male friend groups, do you

1679
01:20:32,412 --> 01:20:35,213
Speaker 2: find this tyler that you just have mates from school

1680
01:20:35,532 --> 01:20:37,772
Speaker 2: and mates from whatever various things you get up to.

1681
01:20:37,812 --> 01:20:38,932
Speaker 3: You start a thread and then.

1682
01:20:38,853 --> 01:20:40,772
Speaker 2: It's just abused the hell out each other and it's

1683
01:20:40,772 --> 01:20:41,253
Speaker 2: a lot of fun.

1684
01:20:41,372 --> 01:20:41,572
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1685
01:20:41,853 --> 01:20:45,213
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but it's very inclusive as well, because I don't know.

1686
01:20:45,333 --> 01:20:48,092
Speaker 2: For some reason, there is the thing about male banter

1687
01:20:48,412 --> 01:20:52,213
Speaker 2: where the more you insult someone, they've done studies on this,

1688
01:20:52,572 --> 01:20:55,372
Speaker 2: and it's something to do with going into battle, right,

1689
01:20:56,093 --> 01:20:59,852
Speaker 2: and you needed to test that someone can handle abuse,

1690
01:21:00,133 --> 01:21:02,133
Speaker 2: because if they couldn't handle abuse, then they wouldn't be

1691
01:21:02,173 --> 01:21:04,772
Speaker 2: able to handle a fight. Apparently this is this is

1692
01:21:04,812 --> 01:21:07,692
Speaker 2: one theory on it. And the other thing is if

1693
01:21:07,732 --> 01:21:10,372
Speaker 2: you can insult someone to their face without it turning

1694
01:21:10,372 --> 01:21:13,133
Speaker 2: into physical and violent violence. That's saying that you know

1695
01:21:13,253 --> 01:21:15,372
Speaker 2: that they love you, and you know that they know

1696
01:21:15,492 --> 01:21:16,173
Speaker 2: that you love them.

1697
01:21:16,853 --> 01:21:19,253
Speaker 3: Anyway, there's no greater thing you can you can say

1698
01:21:19,253 --> 01:21:22,812
Speaker 3: to another fella, yea, And then you know the most

1699
01:21:22,853 --> 01:21:24,932
Speaker 3: abusive thing you can think of, it is it just says,

1700
01:21:25,053 --> 01:21:26,852
Speaker 3: I love you, bro more than anything else.

1701
01:21:26,933 --> 01:21:31,253
Speaker 2: And if someone abusing you tickles you pink and it

1702
01:21:31,333 --> 01:21:33,253
Speaker 2: makes you laugh, you know that you've got a really

1703
01:21:33,293 --> 01:21:35,972
Speaker 2: tight friendship. And this may sound sick to some people,

1704
01:21:36,333 --> 01:21:40,172
Speaker 2: but it's a big thing anyway. You know Jason Bateman,

1705
01:21:40,293 --> 01:21:44,772
Speaker 2: his star of Ozark, Arrested Development, very funny. I absolutely

1706
01:21:44,812 --> 01:21:47,492
Speaker 2: love the man. And he's best friends with a guy

1707
01:21:47,572 --> 01:21:50,492
Speaker 2: called Will Arnette, and you'll know him as well Horseman

1708
01:21:50,532 --> 01:21:52,492
Speaker 2: and Rested Development as well. That's where they became friends.

1709
01:21:52,652 --> 01:21:57,013
Speaker 2: Lego Batman movie, you know, Blades of Glory, Glory, so

1710
01:21:57,133 --> 01:22:00,812
Speaker 2: many things. He's got that beautiful deep voice. And they're

1711
01:22:00,853 --> 01:22:03,333
Speaker 2: also very good friends with Conan o' bryan, who's the

1712
01:22:03,973 --> 01:22:07,412
Speaker 2: Took show host who also is recently in New Zealand.

1713
01:22:07,452 --> 01:22:11,293
Speaker 2: Wasn't he was in New Zealand? Yeah, that fantastic episode

1714
01:22:11,333 --> 01:22:17,213
Speaker 2: on New Zealand. So recently, Jason Bateman was on Conan

1715
01:22:17,253 --> 01:22:21,133
Speaker 2: O'Brien's podcast, Connan A Bryden Needs a Friend, and they

1716
01:22:21,173 --> 01:22:24,892
Speaker 2: were talking about a text message conversation with each other,

1717
01:22:25,013 --> 01:22:27,892
Speaker 2: and I just thought this was so beautiful for some reason,

1718
01:22:27,933 --> 01:22:32,412
Speaker 2: even though it's so mean and abusive, it made me

1719
01:22:32,532 --> 01:22:35,933
Speaker 2: almost well up with how beautiful it was the relationship

1720
01:22:36,013 --> 01:22:36,732
Speaker 2: between these guys.

1721
01:22:36,812 --> 01:22:37,372
Speaker 3: And here it is.

1722
01:22:37,732 --> 01:22:39,412
Speaker 20: Let me just say the timeline because I have it here.

1723
01:22:39,412 --> 01:22:42,013
Speaker 20: I wrote it down last year because the timeline was

1724
01:22:42,093 --> 01:22:42,452
Speaker 20: so good.

1725
01:22:42,612 --> 01:22:42,812
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1726
01:22:43,333 --> 01:22:48,052
Speaker 20: And so I hear that your your dad passes away,

1727
01:22:48,053 --> 01:22:51,652
Speaker 20: and I text you that day or the next day

1728
01:22:51,652 --> 01:22:53,173
Speaker 20: and I said, hey, listen, I'm sorry to hear about

1729
01:22:53,173 --> 01:22:55,412
Speaker 20: your dad's passing, sending love from our family to yours,

1730
01:22:55,853 --> 01:22:59,013
Speaker 20: and you wrote thank you. Will to be honest, I

1731
01:22:59,133 --> 01:23:00,133
Speaker 20: blame Bateman.

1732
01:23:01,652 --> 01:23:03,692
Speaker 3: For the death of my for the death of my father.

1733
01:23:03,853 --> 01:23:07,652
Speaker 20: The day after his father dies. Yeah, right, so I wrote,

1734
01:23:07,652 --> 01:23:11,412
Speaker 20: it's not a terror. Both theory and Conon texted me back,

1735
01:23:12,133 --> 01:23:13,093
Speaker 20: he killed my dad?

1736
01:23:16,173 --> 01:23:16,572
Speaker 24: My dad?

1737
01:23:16,933 --> 01:23:19,173
Speaker 3: Can I say, in fairness, my dad would have loved

1738
01:23:19,253 --> 01:23:20,852
Speaker 3: this so.

1739
01:23:22,412 --> 01:23:25,772
Speaker 5: So so uh so, then.

1740
01:23:25,772 --> 01:23:29,652
Speaker 20: Baban Babeman, I tell Babman this, we're dying. We're doing

1741
01:23:29,732 --> 01:23:32,213
Speaker 20: a thing that day, so he The next day, Bateman

1742
01:23:32,333 --> 01:23:35,452
Speaker 20: texts you and he says, Arnette tells me you're on

1743
01:23:35,612 --> 01:23:40,612
Speaker 20: to me. Yes, and ConA texts Babman. He says, Baban,

1744
01:23:40,692 --> 01:23:42,812
Speaker 20: do yourself a fan favor, turn yourself in.

1745
01:23:48,253 --> 01:23:48,452
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1746
01:23:49,093 --> 01:23:51,572
Speaker 20: Two days after your dad passes. Of course your mom

1747
01:23:51,812 --> 01:23:54,253
Speaker 20: passed away. Yeah, which we didn't. I did not see coming.

1748
01:23:54,293 --> 01:23:58,852
Speaker 20: Which did not see coming. So I text you two

1749
01:23:58,933 --> 01:24:01,173
Speaker 20: days after I knew you were a boss, I said,

1750
01:24:01,973 --> 01:24:04,692
Speaker 20: Bateman is asking for your sister Street addressing.

1751
01:24:10,133 --> 01:24:11,612
Speaker 3: Okay to give yea.

1752
01:24:13,173 --> 01:24:16,212
Speaker 20: And you were busy that weekend like a Dan Alflete.

1753
01:24:16,253 --> 01:24:19,612
Speaker 20: You text you back, just seeing this now fantastic six

1754
01:24:19,732 --> 01:24:22,492
Speaker 20: twenty five, Boyston Street at Pertman twelfth to tell bobmen

1755
01:24:22,572 --> 01:24:23,692
Speaker 20: to make it look like a robber.

1756
01:24:28,853 --> 01:24:31,412
Speaker 3: You know what's weird. I swear to God, this is

1757
01:24:31,452 --> 01:24:35,412
Speaker 3: how I grieve. I know everyone has their way. Oh

1758
01:24:35,612 --> 01:24:38,293
Speaker 3: that's a beautiful thing. You're so right. It wasn't it

1759
01:24:38,412 --> 01:24:40,893
Speaker 3: telling that the one who's like, oh my god, was

1760
01:24:41,213 --> 01:24:43,093
Speaker 3: was the woman there? Because it just didn't quite get it.

1761
01:24:43,173 --> 01:24:45,532
Speaker 3: But that is it's just such a male thing.

1762
01:24:45,692 --> 01:24:52,012
Speaker 2: Sonya Mosocion anyway, she's very fantastic on that podcast. Yeah,

1763
01:24:52,133 --> 01:24:54,533
Speaker 2: I just thought there was a It was a beautiful,

1764
01:24:54,612 --> 01:24:55,972
Speaker 2: a beautiful bit of audio there.

1765
01:24:56,053 --> 01:24:59,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic. That on the surface horrible. Yes, if you

1766
01:24:59,973 --> 01:25:02,852
Speaker 3: don't have the contents, it sounds terrible. Just print it

1767
01:25:02,893 --> 01:25:05,293
Speaker 3: out and read out, you know, in a court that

1768
01:25:05,333 --> 01:25:08,812
Speaker 3: would sound bad, certainly. Well, that's fantastic, all right. Now,

1769
01:25:08,893 --> 01:25:11,492
Speaker 3: just a heads up, we've got a very special guest

1770
01:25:11,812 --> 01:25:15,212
Speaker 3: on the show just after three point thirty. Tom Sainsbury,

1771
01:25:15,253 --> 01:25:18,572
Speaker 3: well known comedian, performer, all round great Kiwi. He's created

1772
01:25:18,772 --> 01:25:21,772
Speaker 3: and stars in a brilliant new Christmas panto. Opening Night

1773
01:25:21,933 --> 01:25:25,412
Speaker 3: is tonight. Matt Heath has even got a role. You've

1774
01:25:25,452 --> 01:25:27,932
Speaker 3: got your script right there that you've been busy preparing

1775
01:25:28,013 --> 01:25:29,772
Speaker 3: for because you didn't know you were you were up

1776
01:25:29,812 --> 01:25:31,133
Speaker 3: for opening night, this is the big one.

1777
01:25:31,293 --> 01:25:32,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I knew I was in the play, yeah,

1778
01:25:33,293 --> 01:25:35,532
Speaker 2: but I didn't know that it was opening night tonight.

1779
01:25:35,732 --> 01:25:36,812
Speaker 3: No, you genuinely didn't.

1780
01:25:36,933 --> 01:25:39,372
Speaker 2: No, And look, I'm just looking at the site there.

1781
01:25:39,412 --> 01:25:40,652
Speaker 2: It's nearly sold out, so it's going to be a

1782
01:25:40,732 --> 01:25:43,532
Speaker 2: huge crowd. So hopefully I don't screw this up tonight.

1783
01:25:43,933 --> 01:25:45,852
Speaker 3: A lot appreciate just making sure I go through my

1784
01:25:45,893 --> 01:25:48,213
Speaker 3: script and get everything right. There's so many pages. Yeah, yeah,

1785
01:25:48,532 --> 01:25:50,812
Speaker 3: but that's coming up just after three thirty because right

1786
01:25:50,853 --> 01:25:52,933
Speaker 3: now we want to have a chat about booms. And

1787
01:25:53,013 --> 01:25:56,412
Speaker 3: it's a story by the detail. And they looked into

1788
01:25:56,692 --> 01:25:59,452
Speaker 3: the amount of complaints that various councils get around the

1789
01:25:59,572 --> 01:26:02,333
Speaker 3: country and the top three complaints they get, and I'll

1790
01:26:02,333 --> 01:26:04,572
Speaker 3: start at number three. Number three is the stray dogs.

1791
01:26:05,133 --> 01:26:08,692
Speaker 3: Number two roadworks, fair enough, get the old road wine thing.

1792
01:26:09,213 --> 01:26:12,052
Speaker 3: Number one across the board up and down the country.

1793
01:26:12,213 --> 01:26:15,093
Speaker 3: That people want to complain about is the burms. And

1794
01:26:15,213 --> 01:26:17,333
Speaker 3: what are they complaining about? Read the burms. So I'll

1795
01:26:17,372 --> 01:26:18,772
Speaker 3: just give you a little taste of some of this

1796
01:26:18,933 --> 01:26:22,572
Speaker 3: feedback here. So they spoke to a counselor of the

1797
01:26:22,692 --> 01:26:24,852
Speaker 3: hot of Finawa and they had a lot of issues

1798
01:26:24,893 --> 01:26:27,492
Speaker 3: with booms because they started to change the rules a

1799
01:26:27,532 --> 01:26:29,732
Speaker 3: little bit, the bylaws. But here are some of the quotes.

1800
01:26:30,293 --> 01:26:33,492
Speaker 3: Some say, it's your land, take some pride and look

1801
01:26:33,572 --> 01:26:35,892
Speaker 3: after it as the resident and closest proximity. So that's

1802
01:26:35,933 --> 01:26:39,852
Speaker 3: fair enough. Then others and most of the others say no,

1803
01:26:40,253 --> 01:26:43,333
Speaker 3: I pay my rates. It's absolutely something the council must do.

1804
01:26:43,692 --> 01:26:45,452
Speaker 3: It's their land. If they don't want to do it,

1805
01:26:45,692 --> 01:26:48,372
Speaker 3: I'm going to pour round up on it. Wow, So

1806
01:26:48,532 --> 01:26:50,812
Speaker 3: that is threatening. Yeah, that is threatening when it comes

1807
01:26:50,853 --> 01:26:53,452
Speaker 3: to the burm. Well, I mean pouring round up on

1808
01:26:53,532 --> 01:26:56,452
Speaker 3: it is some form of burm maintenance, isn't it. Yeah?

1809
01:26:56,532 --> 01:26:58,933
Speaker 3: Keeps it pretty low. In fact, that kills everything. But

1810
01:26:59,532 --> 01:27:02,333
Speaker 3: what kind of muppet doesn't look after their own birm?

1811
01:27:02,572 --> 01:27:03,052
Speaker 4: I agree?

1812
01:27:03,652 --> 01:27:05,732
Speaker 3: Like, just mow your burm, like you've got to mow

1813
01:27:05,812 --> 01:27:08,253
Speaker 3: your lawn. Yeah, so just we'll take a little mare.

1814
01:27:08,652 --> 01:27:10,972
Speaker 3: But just running up and down your boom, it's good times. Yeah,

1815
01:27:11,053 --> 01:27:13,173
Speaker 3: isn't there something beautiful about it? There's a satisfaction of

1816
01:27:13,213 --> 01:27:15,333
Speaker 3: getting out there on a Saturday morning and I've got

1817
01:27:15,372 --> 01:27:17,333
Speaker 3: my weed eater and just running up and down the berm,

1818
01:27:17,412 --> 01:27:19,932
Speaker 3: and I look down the street. Everyone's got beautiful booms.

1819
01:27:19,973 --> 01:27:22,532
Speaker 3: Look down the other way. Most people have beautiful booms.

1820
01:27:22,532 --> 01:27:25,652
Speaker 3: There's one guy about three doors down. It's atrocious. Rhan,

1821
01:27:25,652 --> 01:27:26,173
Speaker 3: it's a virus.

1822
01:27:26,293 --> 01:27:28,492
Speaker 2: Are you one of those people that stands, you know,

1823
01:27:28,612 --> 01:27:31,213
Speaker 2: in the gate looking, you know, curling their nose up

1824
01:27:31,253 --> 01:27:32,652
Speaker 2: at the person who's not doing their bird?

1825
01:27:32,812 --> 01:27:35,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely definitely. You know you've got to do. You've

1826
01:27:35,532 --> 01:27:37,293
Speaker 3: got to do your bom, absolutely, but.

1827
01:27:37,372 --> 01:27:39,333
Speaker 2: Also you can keep the moa going and go down

1828
01:27:39,412 --> 01:27:41,772
Speaker 2: and do your neighbor's bed as a gesture of goodwill,

1829
01:27:41,812 --> 01:27:42,093
Speaker 2: can't you.

1830
01:27:42,532 --> 01:27:45,173
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a good question because I I some would

1831
01:27:45,253 --> 01:27:47,812
Speaker 3: say that that you've got to get permission to do that.

1832
01:27:47,893 --> 01:27:49,333
Speaker 3: You've got to go knock on the door and say, hey,

1833
01:27:49,372 --> 01:27:50,812
Speaker 3: I'm doing my booms. Do your mind if I do

1834
01:27:50,893 --> 01:27:52,932
Speaker 3: your boom as well, because I think some people get

1835
01:27:52,973 --> 01:27:54,652
Speaker 3: a bit precious about their boom that if you don't,

1836
01:27:54,732 --> 01:27:57,213
Speaker 3: might write then you create problems with your neighbor.

1837
01:27:57,893 --> 01:28:01,253
Speaker 2: Nice for you rich privileged losers with your berms. Some

1838
01:28:01,452 --> 01:28:03,652
Speaker 2: of us don't have a berm or a lawn or

1839
01:28:03,692 --> 01:28:06,133
Speaker 2: a lawn mower to mow it with. Could you get

1840
01:28:06,173 --> 01:28:08,933
Speaker 2: more elitist who doesn't have a burm? But also how

1841
01:28:08,973 --> 01:28:10,372
Speaker 2: can you be a rich privileged loser?

1842
01:28:11,893 --> 01:28:13,213
Speaker 3: It's an obviously more on right there.

1843
01:28:13,333 --> 01:28:18,892
Speaker 2: But also what that person is very very central, big city,

1844
01:28:18,933 --> 01:28:22,372
Speaker 2: aren't they, Because having a berm is not a rich

1845
01:28:22,532 --> 01:28:25,213
Speaker 2: privileged thing in most parts of the country or even

1846
01:28:25,572 --> 01:28:28,932
Speaker 2: even in Auckland it isn't. Yeah, but you know where

1847
01:28:28,973 --> 01:28:31,452
Speaker 2: I come from, that doesn't mean anything. You know everyone's

1848
01:28:31,492 --> 01:28:31,692
Speaker 2: got a.

1849
01:28:31,692 --> 01:28:34,772
Speaker 3: Berm exactly, even apartment owners. There's a boom outside the apartment.

1850
01:28:35,013 --> 01:28:36,812
Speaker 3: There's just more of you to cut the boom. Oh

1851
01:28:36,893 --> 01:28:39,213
Speaker 3: eighte hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

1852
01:28:39,253 --> 01:28:40,893
Speaker 3: when it comes to the boom. Do you take some

1853
01:28:41,093 --> 01:28:43,412
Speaker 3: pride in making sure it looks good for the good

1854
01:28:43,452 --> 01:28:45,692
Speaker 3: of your street and community? Or do you reckon that

1855
01:28:45,893 --> 01:28:47,852
Speaker 3: it's the councils and you just pour round up on it.

1856
01:28:48,013 --> 01:28:48,692
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you.

1857
01:28:49,013 --> 01:28:50,933
Speaker 2: This is a great text about someone that put a

1858
01:28:50,973 --> 01:28:51,932
Speaker 2: tiny home on their berm.

1859
01:28:52,692 --> 01:28:55,652
Speaker 3: We'll share that next sixteen past three on news Talk

1860
01:28:55,732 --> 01:28:59,492
Speaker 3: Ziby eighteen past three. So booms are the things that

1861
01:29:00,093 --> 01:29:02,972
Speaker 3: residents complain about most to councils up and down the country.

1862
01:29:03,013 --> 01:29:04,692
Speaker 3: But we've asked the question, should you say pride in

1863
01:29:04,732 --> 01:29:06,213
Speaker 3: your bom and do it yourself and make sure it

1864
01:29:06,253 --> 01:29:06,692
Speaker 3: looks good?

1865
01:29:07,293 --> 01:29:09,932
Speaker 2: When did it become a berm? Not a verge, says

1866
01:29:10,013 --> 01:29:12,093
Speaker 2: this Texter. For the first forty five years of my life,

1867
01:29:12,133 --> 01:29:12,972
Speaker 2: it was called a verge.

1868
01:29:13,053 --> 01:29:13,572
Speaker 3: What happened?

1869
01:29:13,973 --> 01:29:16,173
Speaker 2: I thought they called it a verge in Australia and

1870
01:29:16,213 --> 01:29:17,092
Speaker 2: a berm in New Zealand.

1871
01:29:17,093 --> 01:29:19,052
Speaker 3: I've always called it a Berm. Yeah, there's a Burmer

1872
01:29:19,213 --> 01:29:23,692
Speaker 3: UK phraseology berm Verge curb.

1873
01:29:23,933 --> 01:29:26,213
Speaker 2: There's another one, isn't there. There's herbs America nine two

1874
01:29:26,333 --> 01:29:29,133
Speaker 2: nine two, there's berm Verge. And there's some kind of

1875
01:29:29,213 --> 01:29:31,093
Speaker 2: strip or is it Australians call it some kind of

1876
01:29:31,333 --> 01:29:33,692
Speaker 2: nature strip? They Oh, that's right, the nature strip. I'm

1877
01:29:33,732 --> 01:29:35,333
Speaker 2: sure it is an anxious strip.

1878
01:29:35,452 --> 01:29:36,093
Speaker 3: Anxious strip.

1879
01:29:36,293 --> 01:29:36,492
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1880
01:29:37,093 --> 01:29:38,652
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number

1881
01:29:38,652 --> 01:29:40,612
Speaker 3: to call. Matthew, welcome to the show.

1882
01:29:41,213 --> 01:29:45,333
Speaker 12: Oh, goodow Matthew, and good Tayler. This is very very

1883
01:29:45,412 --> 01:29:50,213
Speaker 12: important subject of mine. I take it to heart. It's

1884
01:29:50,612 --> 01:29:53,253
Speaker 12: I do the neighbors. It's well, if it's the councils,

1885
01:29:53,372 --> 01:29:56,133
Speaker 12: it's not even their property. You can mow it and

1886
01:29:56,293 --> 01:30:00,013
Speaker 12: it brings. The key is not to catch it, to

1887
01:30:00,173 --> 01:30:03,452
Speaker 12: mulch it. And you do it every couple every three

1888
01:30:03,532 --> 01:30:05,372
Speaker 12: or four days, and you just run up and down

1889
01:30:05,772 --> 01:30:08,213
Speaker 12: and then you stand out your property with your hands on.

1890
01:30:08,492 --> 01:30:11,932
Speaker 12: HiT's going. There's order to this chaos, there's lines.

1891
01:30:12,412 --> 01:30:13,013
Speaker 3: It feels good.

1892
01:30:13,973 --> 01:30:16,652
Speaker 12: It's the way to do it. It's yeah, so.

1893
01:30:16,973 --> 01:30:19,133
Speaker 3: You're not running a catcher at all. They're meth you

1894
01:30:19,732 --> 01:30:22,173
Speaker 3: the malt char Yeah.

1895
01:30:22,452 --> 01:30:24,333
Speaker 12: Well, you don't have to fill up your green bend.

1896
01:30:24,412 --> 01:30:26,012
Speaker 12: You just sort of run around and if you don't

1897
01:30:26,093 --> 01:30:28,012
Speaker 12: leave it too long, it's yeah, it's not too bad,

1898
01:30:28,093 --> 01:30:29,692
Speaker 12: and it's a bit of exercise. Gets you out of

1899
01:30:29,732 --> 01:30:31,852
Speaker 12: the house with the wife telling you to this stuff.

1900
01:30:32,013 --> 01:30:34,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you okay with? You know, if I'm your

1901
01:30:34,692 --> 01:30:37,412
Speaker 3: next door neighbor and I don't pick up the grass trimmings,

1902
01:30:37,412 --> 01:30:38,053
Speaker 3: are you okay with that?

1903
01:30:38,213 --> 01:30:38,372
Speaker 6: Mett?

1904
01:30:39,652 --> 01:30:42,293
Speaker 12: Well, it depends how long you leave it. If you

1905
01:30:42,372 --> 01:30:45,053
Speaker 12: get those where it's that long and thick that it's

1906
01:30:45,133 --> 01:30:48,973
Speaker 12: leaving like hate lines that they can capay for haybales,

1907
01:30:49,013 --> 01:30:51,852
Speaker 12: that's too bad. You can't do that. But you can't

1908
01:30:51,893 --> 01:30:56,412
Speaker 12: do that. No, you go met there you go.

1909
01:30:56,732 --> 01:30:57,852
Speaker 3: I was going to say, what do you sit on

1910
01:30:58,333 --> 01:30:59,052
Speaker 3: burn flare?

1911
01:30:59,692 --> 01:30:59,732
Speaker 4: Like?

1912
01:30:59,973 --> 01:31:00,253
Speaker 3: People?

1913
01:31:00,772 --> 01:31:02,532
Speaker 2: We've got someone in a neighborhood that's running a whole

1914
01:31:02,532 --> 01:31:04,612
Speaker 2: lot of succulents on the burn. There's someone else that's

1915
01:31:04,652 --> 01:31:07,492
Speaker 2: running a wild garden, so they're not abandoning their burn,

1916
01:31:07,532 --> 01:31:08,253
Speaker 2: they're curating it.

1917
01:31:08,893 --> 01:31:09,652
Speaker 3: But you've got.

1918
01:31:12,133 --> 01:31:14,692
Speaker 12: But if they keep the wild flowers and do all

1919
01:31:14,732 --> 01:31:17,092
Speaker 12: that sort of stuff, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't

1920
01:31:17,173 --> 01:31:19,173
Speaker 12: run the multa through there. I wouldn't do that.

1921
01:31:19,812 --> 01:31:22,013
Speaker 3: So how many booms are you doing, Matthew, how far

1922
01:31:22,133 --> 01:31:22,692
Speaker 3: down the street?

1923
01:31:22,772 --> 01:31:25,932
Speaker 12: Maybe the block, so maybe four or five, and maybe

1924
01:31:26,013 --> 01:31:31,133
Speaker 12: the neighbors because I look at it, so yeah, the block.

1925
01:31:31,213 --> 01:31:33,692
Speaker 3: Really you have to you have to let the neighbors know,

1926
01:31:33,772 --> 01:31:35,652
Speaker 3: because some people can get a bit protective about their

1927
01:31:35,772 --> 01:31:36,532
Speaker 3: their booms, you know.

1928
01:31:37,013 --> 01:31:39,293
Speaker 12: But then if you if you do yours and your

1929
01:31:39,412 --> 01:31:41,692
Speaker 12: people that you've asked, and then you've left stairs, and

1930
01:31:41,812 --> 01:31:44,852
Speaker 12: it looks, it looks, it doesn't it doesn't look good, Taylor,

1931
01:31:45,412 --> 01:31:45,932
Speaker 12: and look good.

1932
01:31:46,093 --> 01:31:49,972
Speaker 2: I judge people when I see like a unruly boom,

1933
01:31:50,452 --> 01:31:52,133
Speaker 2: and then I see a tidy burm, and there's that

1934
01:31:52,333 --> 01:31:55,253
Speaker 2: like that exact line with line, that line of.

1935
01:31:58,253 --> 01:31:58,612
Speaker 3: Judgment.

1936
01:31:58,732 --> 01:31:59,053
Speaker 23: Just do it.

1937
01:31:59,173 --> 01:32:01,852
Speaker 12: Yeah, they hate each other, those neighbors.

1938
01:32:03,492 --> 01:32:03,932
Speaker 20: So true?

1939
01:32:04,293 --> 01:32:04,692
Speaker 23: So true?

1940
01:32:06,772 --> 01:32:08,812
Speaker 3: Is rather heaving there making a.

1941
01:32:08,893 --> 01:32:13,173
Speaker 12: Point, definite point. But no, I'm all for mowing the boom.

1942
01:32:13,213 --> 01:32:15,173
Speaker 12: I think it looks good, makes it the street look

1943
01:32:15,213 --> 01:32:18,173
Speaker 12: good as you drive in, and yeah it's and then

1944
01:32:18,253 --> 01:32:20,213
Speaker 12: kids ride up and down it on the bikes and stuff.

1945
01:32:20,253 --> 01:32:20,612
Speaker 12: It's good.

1946
01:32:21,053 --> 01:32:21,372
Speaker 3: Generous.

1947
01:32:21,652 --> 01:32:24,612
Speaker 2: I've got a sad admission to make, Matthew. I look

1948
01:32:24,692 --> 01:32:26,293
Speaker 2: forward to mowing my boom.

1949
01:32:26,692 --> 01:32:27,732
Speaker 3: I drive home.

1950
01:32:27,772 --> 01:32:29,692
Speaker 2: When I'm driving into the driveway, I'm like, is it

1951
01:32:29,812 --> 01:32:32,133
Speaker 2: ready to mote? Yeah, yep, it's ready to mow.

1952
01:32:32,532 --> 01:32:34,412
Speaker 12: It's ready to mowe. If you can put, if you

1953
01:32:34,492 --> 01:32:37,572
Speaker 12: can pull like an inch or so, it's ready to go.

1954
01:32:37,692 --> 01:32:39,932
Speaker 12: Because you're not catching it. You can just go out

1955
01:32:39,973 --> 01:32:42,013
Speaker 12: there and then you don't have to listen to your

1956
01:32:42,053 --> 01:32:45,652
Speaker 12: partner or have the jobs the kids yelling at your escape?

1957
01:32:46,372 --> 01:32:47,853
Speaker 3: Are you running escapism?

1958
01:32:48,013 --> 01:32:53,293
Speaker 2: Are you running a battery powered moa? Or are you one.

1959
01:32:52,213 --> 01:32:53,692
Speaker 12: Briggs and Stratton all the way?

1960
01:32:53,853 --> 01:32:54,053
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1961
01:32:54,093 --> 01:32:58,932
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, that's definitely yeah. But I'd like to hear

1962
01:32:59,053 --> 01:33:02,253
Speaker 12: what everyone else has to say because it's quite important

1963
01:33:02,293 --> 01:33:02,452
Speaker 12: to me.

1964
01:33:02,652 --> 01:33:02,852
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1965
01:33:02,933 --> 01:33:04,412
Speaker 3: No, good on you, Matthew. Nice to hear from the

1966
01:33:04,452 --> 01:33:07,372
Speaker 3: mirror of hun Hey. One hundred eighty ten eighty is

1967
01:33:07,452 --> 01:33:10,852
Speaker 3: the number to call boo whose responsibility is it? Is

1968
01:33:10,893 --> 01:33:11,972
Speaker 3: that the councils are your own.

1969
01:33:12,572 --> 01:33:15,972
Speaker 2: It's like manscaping, Matt. It just makes everything look bigger

1970
01:33:16,772 --> 01:33:17,293
Speaker 2: and better.

1971
01:33:17,492 --> 01:33:17,932
Speaker 6: So true.

1972
01:33:17,973 --> 01:33:19,212
Speaker 3: Twenty three past three.

1973
01:33:23,093 --> 01:33:26,772
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh eight hundred eighty

1974
01:33:26,853 --> 01:33:28,652
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1975
01:33:29,013 --> 01:33:31,253
Speaker 3: Twenty five past three, and we're talking about booms. This

1976
01:33:31,372 --> 01:33:34,053
Speaker 3: is because there was a story by the Detail that

1977
01:33:34,133 --> 01:33:37,732
Speaker 3: looked at the most complained about things from residents to councils,

1978
01:33:37,772 --> 01:33:39,492
Speaker 3: and booms was number one.

1979
01:33:40,372 --> 01:33:42,133
Speaker 2: This is a good point, though. Whilst I think that

1980
01:33:42,933 --> 01:33:45,092
Speaker 2: it's a good time bowing booms and that you should

1981
01:33:45,133 --> 01:33:47,612
Speaker 2: do it, this is a very good point that Stext makes. Hi, guys,

1982
01:33:47,692 --> 01:33:49,572
Speaker 2: the council used to mow the booms, but stop to

1983
01:33:49,612 --> 01:33:51,052
Speaker 2: save money. Did they drop our rates?

1984
01:33:51,253 --> 01:33:54,013
Speaker 3: Of course not. Yeah, that's fair. They started mowing and

1985
01:33:54,053 --> 01:33:55,732
Speaker 3: then they stopped. My and you got to ask questions,

1986
01:33:55,812 --> 01:33:58,812
Speaker 3: but are you one of the people that takes pride

1987
01:33:58,853 --> 01:33:59,253
Speaker 3: in their boom?

1988
01:33:59,253 --> 01:33:59,372
Speaker 4: Oh?

1989
01:33:59,372 --> 01:34:00,572
Speaker 3: Eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty I.

1990
01:34:00,612 --> 01:34:03,452
Speaker 2: Lived in a block of sixteen three story townhouses mode

1991
01:34:03,452 --> 01:34:05,732
Speaker 2: booms for all of them west Auckland. Took me two

1992
01:34:05,772 --> 01:34:06,652
Speaker 2: hours per week.

1993
01:34:06,933 --> 01:34:11,173
Speaker 3: Look bluddy good though, great news over Andy, Welcome to

1994
01:34:11,213 --> 01:34:13,333
Speaker 3: the show, high fellars.

1995
01:34:15,973 --> 01:34:19,492
Speaker 21: Hi, I have a husband that loves a boom.

1996
01:34:20,253 --> 01:34:23,692
Speaker 17: We live in christ Church and we're in North Brighten

1997
01:34:24,293 --> 01:34:28,532
Speaker 17: in the earthquake fit and our house was it was rubbish,

1998
01:34:29,173 --> 01:34:31,812
Speaker 17: half of it fallen down. It was just it was chaos.

1999
01:34:31,933 --> 01:34:33,492
Speaker 25: It was like Bosnia and water.

2000
01:34:33,293 --> 01:34:36,692
Speaker 17: Time anyway, he's out there mowing the booth, and people,

2001
01:34:36,772 --> 01:34:39,572
Speaker 17: of course, the red rubber eating driving past our house

2002
01:34:40,812 --> 01:34:42,412
Speaker 17: and you know, the neighborhood having a look at all

2003
01:34:42,452 --> 01:34:46,093
Speaker 17: the destruction and staff, which is lovely. And he's out

2004
01:34:46,133 --> 01:34:48,572
Speaker 17: there mowing the boom and people were just doing remote

2005
01:34:48,652 --> 01:34:54,052
Speaker 17: laughing and them taking photos. But he still loves the boom.

2006
01:34:54,412 --> 01:34:58,412
Speaker 17: He's constantly planting things. I've got tulips coming up in spring.

2007
01:34:59,093 --> 01:35:02,253
Speaker 17: I've got a new clofi tree, I've got all this

2008
01:35:02,333 --> 01:35:05,372
Speaker 17: stuff coming up at different seasons. And he's just takes

2009
01:35:05,452 --> 01:35:09,132
Speaker 17: so much pride. But the guy across the road, Old Andy,

2010
01:35:10,013 --> 01:35:13,133
Speaker 17: different Andy, obviously, but he's he's out there with us

2011
01:35:13,372 --> 01:35:18,133
Speaker 17: what looks like nails scissors a couple of times going

2012
01:35:18,253 --> 01:35:20,692
Speaker 17: around for you just and I swear to God, I

2013
01:35:20,772 --> 01:35:23,852
Speaker 17: go there, leave in the morning. How I'm back after

2014
01:35:23,933 --> 01:35:27,093
Speaker 17: work and the guys out there doing something else. It

2015
01:35:27,253 --> 01:35:32,692
Speaker 17: is tiny, little posted. Damn it's nuts. But anyway, I

2016
01:35:32,772 --> 01:35:34,333
Speaker 17: think there's a bit of a boom or going on

2017
01:35:34,652 --> 01:35:35,253
Speaker 17: between them.

2018
01:35:35,293 --> 01:35:37,213
Speaker 3: But anyway, so it's a beautiful thing.

2019
01:35:37,253 --> 01:35:40,213
Speaker 2: And yeah, well it's interesting that the idea of a

2020
01:35:40,372 --> 01:35:42,812
Speaker 2: curated burn a boom with a bit of flair on it.

2021
01:35:42,893 --> 01:35:44,732
Speaker 2: So it's still a burm. You're still putting the effort in,

2022
01:35:44,853 --> 01:35:46,652
Speaker 2: but you've got a bit of stuff growing on it.

2023
01:35:46,812 --> 01:35:49,173
Speaker 2: I think that's that's bloody great as well, especially if

2024
01:35:49,173 --> 01:35:52,093
Speaker 2: the council is not going to mow it, then they've

2025
01:35:52,173 --> 01:35:53,852
Speaker 2: lost the ability to really tell you what to do

2026
01:35:53,973 --> 01:35:55,612
Speaker 2: with it. So as long as you're you know, if

2027
01:35:55,652 --> 01:35:59,132
Speaker 2: you if you've got something crazy growing on it, bloody brilliant,

2028
01:35:59,133 --> 01:35:59,492
Speaker 2: good on you.

2029
01:35:59,532 --> 01:36:02,092
Speaker 17: I reckon, absolutely totally agree.

2030
01:36:02,333 --> 01:36:03,572
Speaker 5: Ys the crazy boom.

2031
01:36:03,772 --> 01:36:06,852
Speaker 3: Yeah good and thank you. Well, what a good couple

2032
01:36:06,893 --> 01:36:09,772
Speaker 3: of key we So, you know earthquakes, everything had collapsed,

2033
01:36:09,812 --> 01:36:12,173
Speaker 3: the house has gone, but he's still out there making

2034
01:36:12,213 --> 01:36:14,532
Speaker 3: sure his community looks as best that well, his former

2035
01:36:14,572 --> 01:36:16,412
Speaker 3: community looks as best that it can be. Well, you've

2036
01:36:16,412 --> 01:36:19,372
Speaker 3: got to control what you can control. Yeah, you know that,

2037
01:36:19,612 --> 01:36:20,412
Speaker 3: heads off to that man.

2038
01:36:20,492 --> 01:36:22,732
Speaker 2: I love that, But I reckon, I'm not far from

2039
01:36:22,772 --> 01:36:24,492
Speaker 2: getting down on my hands and knees with my new

2040
01:36:24,572 --> 01:36:26,772
Speaker 2: lawn that I've just sewing that's growing up.

2041
01:36:26,812 --> 01:36:29,572
Speaker 3: I got to mow it for the first time last night.

2042
01:36:29,772 --> 01:36:31,252
Speaker 3: Nice big moment because.

2043
01:36:31,013 --> 01:36:33,173
Speaker 2: It was just a big hunker dirt that I dug over.

2044
01:36:33,732 --> 01:36:38,092
Speaker 2: And then you know, if a dock leave gets involved.

2045
01:36:38,492 --> 01:36:39,972
Speaker 2: You know I'm going to come at it. I'm want

2046
01:36:39,973 --> 01:36:41,973
Speaker 2: to come at it individually. I'm going to attack them.

2047
01:36:42,053 --> 01:36:45,772
Speaker 2: You know there'll be the weed and feed going on

2048
01:36:45,853 --> 01:36:46,173
Speaker 2: there as.

2049
01:36:46,093 --> 01:36:48,492
Speaker 3: Well, But like if a weed grows in there, I'll

2050
01:36:48,532 --> 01:36:50,173
Speaker 3: go at it with the perisists, don't you are It's

2051
01:36:50,213 --> 01:36:50,932
Speaker 3: like raising a child.

2052
01:36:51,053 --> 01:36:51,612
Speaker 20: It's beautiful.

2053
01:36:51,652 --> 01:36:52,772
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be a shamed to get down

2054
01:36:52,812 --> 01:36:55,213
Speaker 3: on my hands and knees taking your calls on eight

2055
01:36:55,213 --> 01:36:57,372
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Do you take pride

2056
01:36:57,412 --> 01:37:00,093
Speaker 3: and making sure your berm looks beautiful or do you reckon?

2057
01:37:00,133 --> 01:37:02,973
Speaker 3: It's the counsel's responsibility. Love to hear from you. Got

2058
01:37:03,013 --> 01:37:05,772
Speaker 3: the headlines with Raylen coming up. Nine to nine two

2059
01:37:05,893 --> 01:37:06,692
Speaker 3: is their text number.

2060
01:37:09,253 --> 01:37:12,932
Speaker 14: Deuce talks at the headlines with blue Bubble taxis it's

2061
01:37:13,053 --> 01:37:14,612
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble.

2062
01:37:15,173 --> 01:37:19,293
Speaker 15: No surprise From Women's refuge At revelations, up to twenty

2063
01:37:19,372 --> 01:37:22,572
Speaker 15: four percent of Keywee women endured abuse by current or

2064
01:37:22,652 --> 01:37:27,053
Speaker 15: former partner in twenty twenty three. Worldwide, more than six

2065
01:37:27,213 --> 01:37:31,212
Speaker 15: hundred and eight million women fifteen and older suffered violence

2066
01:37:31,253 --> 01:37:34,293
Speaker 15: from a partner. A thirty six year old man has

2067
01:37:34,293 --> 01:37:37,532
Speaker 15: appeared in court charged with murder over attacks on an

2068
01:37:37,572 --> 01:37:41,173
Speaker 15: Auckland bus on Monday. He's been remarded in custody and

2069
01:37:41,293 --> 01:37:46,532
Speaker 15: has interim name suppression until reappearing in January. Wellington's Mount

2070
01:37:46,612 --> 01:37:49,972
Speaker 15: Victoria Tunnel is closed in both directions after a two

2071
01:37:50,093 --> 01:37:53,933
Speaker 15: vehicle crash this afternoon. No injuries have been reported, but

2072
01:37:54,093 --> 01:37:58,852
Speaker 15: motorists should expect delays and take alternative routes. Otago's Lake

2073
01:37:58,973 --> 01:38:04,293
Speaker 15: Harwia will host our first National stone Skimming Championships next year.

2074
01:38:04,893 --> 01:38:09,452
Speaker 15: Money raised will go to malanoma prevention and why fixed

2075
01:38:09,532 --> 01:38:13,572
Speaker 15: mortgage rates are headed up already after Reserve bank cuts.

2076
01:38:13,893 --> 01:38:15,893
Speaker 15: You can see Liam Dan's full column at ends and

2077
01:38:15,973 --> 01:38:18,692
Speaker 15: Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2078
01:38:18,772 --> 01:38:21,333
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylan. We're talking about burms. It's

2079
01:38:21,412 --> 01:38:23,812
Speaker 3: the most complained about thing to councils up and down

2080
01:38:23,893 --> 01:38:26,612
Speaker 3: New Zealand. But we've asked the question, is it eachy

2081
01:38:26,692 --> 01:38:28,333
Speaker 3: up to you to take a bit of pride in

2082
01:38:28,412 --> 01:38:30,333
Speaker 3: your own bom or are you one of those people

2083
01:38:30,372 --> 01:38:33,253
Speaker 3: to say nah's counsel's property, they should be mowing it.

2084
01:38:33,532 --> 01:38:36,133
Speaker 2: Hi, boys, you could cut butter with the edges on

2085
01:38:36,253 --> 01:38:39,253
Speaker 2: my nature strip, not burm and there's a Mexican standoff

2086
01:38:39,253 --> 01:38:42,092
Speaker 2: between myself and my neighbor who believes his edges are sharper.

2087
01:38:42,372 --> 01:38:42,933
Speaker 3: It's going to be.

2088
01:38:42,973 --> 01:38:46,412
Speaker 2: Whipper snappers at dawn very soon, cheers John Am. I

2089
01:38:46,532 --> 01:38:48,932
Speaker 2: juvenile to always giggle at the term nature strip.

2090
01:38:49,333 --> 01:38:51,812
Speaker 3: That's a good phrase, Ben, Welcome to the show.

2091
01:38:53,532 --> 01:38:55,933
Speaker 8: Yeah, hey guys. So I've actually given up on my

2092
01:38:56,053 --> 01:38:59,173
Speaker 8: boom because I'll talk some great pride in it. But

2093
01:38:59,812 --> 01:39:02,333
Speaker 8: we live across from a daycare center. We have a

2094
01:39:02,372 --> 01:39:04,732
Speaker 8: lot of people parking on it and in the winter

2095
01:39:04,893 --> 01:39:06,812
Speaker 8: time it just rips it up and.

2096
01:39:06,893 --> 01:39:08,133
Speaker 10: Make to look like a mud.

2097
01:39:09,652 --> 01:39:12,492
Speaker 2: That sucks that people because because we were talking about

2098
01:39:12,492 --> 01:39:15,732
Speaker 2: this earlier in the year, but you know, parking enforcement

2099
01:39:16,213 --> 01:39:19,053
Speaker 2: don't enforce the berms, so someone can be doing the

2100
01:39:19,133 --> 01:39:22,492
Speaker 2: most outrageous thing, which just parking on a burn, ripping

2101
01:39:22,532 --> 01:39:24,973
Speaker 2: it up, and they don't get a ticket for it.

2102
01:39:25,053 --> 01:39:28,253
Speaker 3: It's it's it's it's crap. Yeah, they are bad people.

2103
01:39:29,532 --> 01:39:29,732
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2104
01:39:29,772 --> 01:39:32,452
Speaker 13: So we ended up putting some old tires out there

2105
01:39:32,492 --> 01:39:34,732
Speaker 13: on it and filling it up with third and planting

2106
01:39:34,772 --> 01:39:38,253
Speaker 13: some middle trees in them. And one day I come

2107
01:39:38,293 --> 01:39:39,133
Speaker 13: home and they were gone.

2108
01:39:39,213 --> 01:39:39,372
Speaker 14: Man.

2109
01:39:39,452 --> 01:39:42,812
Speaker 13: I checked the security cameras and the councilor had.

2110
01:39:42,692 --> 01:39:45,612
Speaker 4: Come along and removed my own, my little wee plants.

2111
01:39:45,732 --> 01:39:47,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, idiots, scumbags.

2112
01:39:48,412 --> 01:39:50,013
Speaker 2: So they're not going to look after the burn, but

2113
01:39:50,013 --> 01:39:52,492
Speaker 2: they're going to remove what you do to look after

2114
01:39:52,572 --> 01:39:53,532
Speaker 2: and protect your burn.

2115
01:39:54,652 --> 01:39:56,933
Speaker 3: A holes, massive a holes to so I take it.

2116
01:39:57,013 --> 01:39:59,612
Speaker 3: They probably just took those trees down to down to

2117
01:39:59,692 --> 01:40:00,012
Speaker 3: the dump.

2118
01:40:01,452 --> 01:40:03,452
Speaker 8: I wouldn't have a clue when never bore were checking.

2119
01:40:03,572 --> 01:40:06,932
Speaker 13: But like it's just it's just full, you know, half

2120
01:40:06,973 --> 01:40:10,572
Speaker 13: of it's just like a mud basically, like it's okay

2121
01:40:10,612 --> 01:40:13,253
Speaker 13: at summertime now, so it's dry, but half of its

2122
01:40:13,293 --> 01:40:17,253
Speaker 13: grass and the other half just dry mud. And I

2123
01:40:17,293 --> 01:40:19,412
Speaker 13: don't think the people are you know that they using

2124
01:40:19,532 --> 01:40:22,892
Speaker 13: they get there. You know how much some people actually

2125
01:40:22,933 --> 01:40:25,093
Speaker 13: enjoy their booms, and they'd just rather path on it

2126
01:40:25,173 --> 01:40:25,812
Speaker 13: and destroy it.

2127
01:40:26,013 --> 01:40:28,452
Speaker 3: You can't win. You can't win with the council because

2128
01:40:28,452 --> 01:40:30,492
Speaker 3: they say, you know, please look after your booms because

2129
01:40:30,492 --> 01:40:32,532
Speaker 3: we don't have enough money. Then you try and plant

2130
01:40:32,612 --> 01:40:34,572
Speaker 3: some beautiful trees and they turn up and take them

2131
01:40:34,572 --> 01:40:37,892
Speaker 3: away and turn them to the dump. Outrageous, may are

2132
01:40:37,933 --> 01:40:39,172
Speaker 3: your thought on berms?

2133
01:40:40,612 --> 01:40:43,333
Speaker 26: Well not really burns? And I love up to Machracey

2134
01:40:43,412 --> 01:40:49,213
Speaker 26: Alley and really happy that hey, Ma coming either side,

2135
01:40:49,333 --> 01:40:52,092
Speaker 26: and I thought, oh I went into town, I came back.

2136
01:40:53,572 --> 01:40:55,452
Speaker 19: Little bridges and we've got great.

2137
01:40:55,253 --> 01:40:59,692
Speaker 26: Big we've got great big roads. In some flooding. We've

2138
01:40:59,732 --> 01:41:02,732
Speaker 26: had all these red tones piped everywhere. But you can't

2139
01:41:02,732 --> 01:41:06,492
Speaker 26: see the red tones anymore through the grass. And they're

2140
01:41:06,612 --> 01:41:11,053
Speaker 26: just doing around the bridges, around still power poles, and

2141
01:41:11,133 --> 01:41:17,572
Speaker 26: they're not doing you know, outside our fences, right counter

2142
01:41:17,933 --> 01:41:18,053
Speaker 26: is that?

2143
01:41:18,213 --> 01:41:19,852
Speaker 2: But so so what do you mean you're not talking

2144
01:41:19,893 --> 01:41:23,692
Speaker 2: about booms? So there's there's a grass patch outside your fences.

2145
01:41:26,213 --> 01:41:30,372
Speaker 26: We've got a farm up the valley and they just

2146
01:41:31,532 --> 01:41:34,932
Speaker 26: you know, they usually come along and they have either

2147
01:41:35,053 --> 01:41:40,853
Speaker 26: side this year. The high so tree trees that are problematic,

2148
01:41:41,013 --> 01:41:43,452
Speaker 26: a little tree branches that are all over the road.

2149
01:41:43,492 --> 01:41:44,452
Speaker 26: They don't sweep them off.

2150
01:41:45,093 --> 01:41:47,812
Speaker 3: It's a disaster, mate, tough time and the Mott Valley,

2151
01:41:47,853 --> 01:41:49,572
Speaker 3: beautiful part of the country. Got to say they thank

2152
01:41:49,572 --> 01:41:50,412
Speaker 3: you very much, May.

2153
01:41:50,732 --> 01:41:53,372
Speaker 2: But we are talking booms and Sira, you want to

2154
01:41:53,412 --> 01:41:56,213
Speaker 2: talk about booms, don't you, Yes, they do.

2155
01:41:57,013 --> 01:42:00,452
Speaker 25: Relivered Gray Church as for the longest time of us

2156
01:42:00,532 --> 01:42:04,092
Speaker 25: wondering why nor flue trees could be planted in the boom.

2157
01:42:04,692 --> 01:42:08,852
Speaker 25: So then we moved into a new subdivision. If plums

2158
01:42:08,893 --> 01:42:12,132
Speaker 25: started planting fruit trees in the bombs and the neighbors

2159
01:42:12,173 --> 01:42:14,173
Speaker 25: have all put onto it, and so now we have

2160
01:42:14,293 --> 01:42:17,333
Speaker 25: a beautiful area with fruit trees in the boom. The

2161
01:42:17,492 --> 01:42:19,933
Speaker 25: children can come and pick when if they want to.

2162
01:42:22,893 --> 01:42:26,133
Speaker 2: That's absolutely brilliant. Why would you not want that? So

2163
01:42:26,372 --> 01:42:29,133
Speaker 2: you know, you're walking home and people can grab an apple?

2164
01:42:29,173 --> 01:42:30,492
Speaker 2: What kind of what kind of fruit trees are you

2165
01:42:30,572 --> 01:42:32,573
Speaker 2: going down? And christ Sirah.

2166
01:42:33,973 --> 01:42:40,253
Speaker 25: Fijoma, there's apricot, there's plums. I've got two percions on

2167
01:42:40,372 --> 01:42:40,972
Speaker 25: the bom.

2168
01:42:42,532 --> 01:42:46,572
Speaker 3: And Sarah the old oh yes, good good place out andy,

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01:42:46,612 --> 01:42:47,812
Speaker 3: oldhre's good people out there.

2170
01:42:48,372 --> 01:42:51,932
Speaker 25: Yeah, neighbors got onto it. And now the whole little

2171
01:42:52,173 --> 01:42:53,972
Speaker 25: corner has got all these wondering.

2172
01:42:54,013 --> 01:42:54,532
Speaker 5: That's so good.

2173
01:42:55,053 --> 01:42:57,892
Speaker 2: See that there should be you know, like people talk about,

2174
01:42:58,053 --> 01:43:00,372
Speaker 2: you know, healthy kids and all that kind of stuff.

2175
01:43:00,492 --> 01:43:03,452
Speaker 2: They can walk home and eat it for joa or

2176
01:43:03,452 --> 01:43:06,933
Speaker 2: an apricot. Then how fantastic do people? People not like

2177
01:43:07,053 --> 01:43:09,372
Speaker 2: fruit trees on burns because as the fruit falls on

2178
01:43:09,412 --> 01:43:12,333
Speaker 2: the ground and rodents turn updated is that is that

2179
01:43:12,492 --> 01:43:14,372
Speaker 2: why people push back on fruit trees and booms.

2180
01:43:14,372 --> 01:43:14,852
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.

2181
01:43:15,732 --> 01:43:17,812
Speaker 25: I don't know, but I will clean it up if

2182
01:43:17,893 --> 01:43:21,052
Speaker 25: fleed it. Yeah, as long as it's a useful space

2183
01:43:21,133 --> 01:43:22,932
Speaker 25: that is wasted otherwise, Yeah.

2184
01:43:22,853 --> 01:43:24,452
Speaker 3: I think it's a brilliant idea. Spot on, you're a

2185
01:43:24,492 --> 01:43:28,293
Speaker 3: great turn our streets into orchards. Three apricots. Feed the world, Yeah,

2186
01:43:28,372 --> 01:43:32,053
Speaker 3: fijoas take it or leave it, live stock, you like,

2187
01:43:32,372 --> 01:43:34,692
Speaker 3: get some sheep on there if someone's hungry, sort of

2188
01:43:34,732 --> 01:43:36,852
Speaker 3: a sheep on the way home from school. Yeah, sounds

2189
01:43:36,893 --> 01:43:40,253
Speaker 3: like a good time. Feed the world perfect, Hell you mate,

2190
01:43:41,652 --> 01:43:42,213
Speaker 3: I'm good here.

2191
01:43:42,492 --> 01:43:43,372
Speaker 7: How are you good?

2192
01:43:43,692 --> 01:43:44,612
Speaker 3: Do you love your boom?

2193
01:43:45,933 --> 01:43:49,452
Speaker 27: I love my bems there. I get a low long

2194
01:43:49,692 --> 01:43:52,893
Speaker 27: contracted to mother bem savory two weeks, but I hate like.

2195
01:43:52,973 --> 01:43:54,732
Speaker 27: I take my dog for a walk in flet Bush

2196
01:43:54,772 --> 01:43:57,412
Speaker 27: area and I see almost fifty percent of the bench

2197
01:43:58,612 --> 01:44:01,732
Speaker 27: now overgrown, almost one foot high, and it looks sometidy

2198
01:44:01,772 --> 01:44:04,213
Speaker 27: in front of a million dollar houses. I think the

2199
01:44:04,253 --> 01:44:06,852
Speaker 27: owners should take proud of the for a property. And

2200
01:44:06,973 --> 01:44:08,053
Speaker 27: I flash the mother bem.

2201
01:44:08,372 --> 01:44:10,812
Speaker 3: Maybe you want some one there, you know, someone.

2202
01:44:10,853 --> 01:44:12,572
Speaker 2: You know, if you know, if someone's got a burn

2203
01:44:12,732 --> 01:44:14,612
Speaker 2: that's a foot high at the front of the house.

2204
01:44:14,652 --> 01:44:16,412
Speaker 2: You know that that's not the only thing that's going

2205
01:44:16,452 --> 01:44:19,013
Speaker 2: wrong in your life. You know they're running a full shimuzzle.

2206
01:44:19,173 --> 01:44:21,412
Speaker 3: Ye, there's a lot going on. Letting a lot slip.

2207
01:44:21,532 --> 01:44:23,532
Speaker 3: It's it's symbolic of more problems.

2208
01:44:23,572 --> 01:44:23,732
Speaker 15: You know.

2209
01:44:26,253 --> 01:44:28,333
Speaker 3: Have you ever have you ever just decided to do

2210
01:44:28,412 --> 01:44:30,372
Speaker 3: it yourself factor? You just go up and down and say, look,

2211
01:44:30,412 --> 01:44:32,972
Speaker 3: this is a nice community, these are these are expensive homes.

2212
01:44:32,973 --> 01:44:34,013
Speaker 3: I'm going to sort that out for you.

2213
01:44:35,532 --> 01:44:37,852
Speaker 27: I went then because I don't have time time, I

2214
01:44:38,013 --> 01:44:41,173
Speaker 27: just have him to walk away. No, no, no shore

2215
01:44:41,333 --> 01:44:43,492
Speaker 27: So not for English speaking, I won't have time. But

2216
01:44:43,652 --> 01:44:46,132
Speaker 27: if there was a community group, I willn't mind volunteering

2217
01:44:46,213 --> 01:44:50,572
Speaker 27: and wandering and yeah, group people who want to be

2218
01:44:50,572 --> 01:44:51,652
Speaker 27: able to move events.

2219
01:44:51,812 --> 01:44:53,133
Speaker 3: Good on you, Victor, good on you.

2220
01:44:53,452 --> 01:44:55,253
Speaker 2: I follow this guy on YouTube that goes around and

2221
01:44:55,333 --> 01:44:57,452
Speaker 2: volunteers to do what people's lawns.

2222
01:44:57,452 --> 01:44:59,293
Speaker 3: Have you seen that? No, I forget his name or

2223
01:44:59,333 --> 01:45:02,732
Speaker 3: find it. It's so satisfying. He's the American guy. I

2224
01:45:02,812 --> 01:45:04,213
Speaker 3: have seen them. It's so great.

2225
01:45:04,333 --> 01:45:07,333
Speaker 2: So it's often elderly people that whose houses got out

2226
01:45:07,372 --> 01:45:08,933
Speaker 2: of control and they can't do it, and he just

2227
01:45:09,133 --> 01:45:12,732
Speaker 2: he cleans everything up, and you know, it's in fast forward,

2228
01:45:13,013 --> 01:45:14,973
Speaker 2: you know, so it goes quickly. It's it's one of

2229
01:45:15,013 --> 01:45:16,013
Speaker 2: the most satisfying things.

2230
01:45:16,133 --> 01:45:19,293
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing, and they see it. Yeah, it's wonderful.

2231
01:45:19,893 --> 01:45:24,253
Speaker 3: Quick email here, gooday, guys, I'm in the Wellington email sorry,

2232
01:45:24,333 --> 01:45:27,732
Speaker 3: Wellington area. There was a two meter wide boom just

2233
01:45:27,772 --> 01:45:31,052
Speaker 3: outside my house. I got into trouble for planting wild flowers.

2234
01:45:31,133 --> 01:45:34,212
Speaker 3: Two letters and a visit from council until they sprayed

2235
01:45:34,253 --> 01:45:37,053
Speaker 3: it all and put rollout grass in it. So now

2236
01:45:37,093 --> 01:45:39,372
Speaker 3: I just close my eyes and ignore it. I mean again,

2237
01:45:39,492 --> 01:45:42,732
Speaker 3: dirty counsel. Don't be spraying somebody's beautiful wild flowers. Get

2238
01:45:42,772 --> 01:45:44,013
Speaker 3: out of it. Yeah, get out of it.

2239
01:45:44,492 --> 01:45:46,972
Speaker 2: Stick to your knitting. You gave up from the booms.

2240
01:45:47,093 --> 01:45:49,173
Speaker 2: You said goodbye to them, Yeah, but I write to

2241
01:45:49,213 --> 01:45:51,732
Speaker 2: them anymore. You stay away exactly. We'll look after them.

2242
01:45:51,772 --> 01:45:51,892
Speaker 5: Now.

2243
01:45:52,133 --> 01:45:54,333
Speaker 3: Know your place? Yeah, you've lost you, You've lost your

2244
01:45:54,333 --> 01:45:57,773
Speaker 3: privileges around the berm. Get out. Yeah right, great discussion.

2245
01:45:57,893 --> 01:45:59,572
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. We had so many ticks on

2246
01:45:59,612 --> 01:46:02,013
Speaker 3: the booms, and thank you to people who called. But

2247
01:46:02,173 --> 01:46:05,053
Speaker 3: coming up, you're standing by Tom Sainsbury. You know, I'm well.

2248
01:46:05,173 --> 01:46:09,772
Speaker 3: Fantastic comedium performer all round goodbye. He's created and he

2249
01:46:09,933 --> 01:46:12,772
Speaker 3: stars in a brilliant new Christmas panto. It's called A

2250
01:46:12,853 --> 01:46:16,492
Speaker 3: Christmas Crisis. The opening night is tonight and there's a

2251
01:46:16,532 --> 01:46:17,252
Speaker 3: lot of excitement.

2252
01:46:17,372 --> 01:46:17,612
Speaker 4: Matt.

2253
01:46:17,893 --> 01:46:19,652
Speaker 3: You'll you're going to be front and center as well.

2254
01:46:19,772 --> 01:46:23,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in this in this play. That

2255
01:46:23,293 --> 01:46:28,612
Speaker 2: that YouTube channel is s B Mowing sp moweing sb Mowing. Yes,

2256
01:46:28,853 --> 01:46:31,452
Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's it's very satisfying to see him just

2257
01:46:31,532 --> 01:46:32,492
Speaker 2: clean up these yards.

2258
01:46:32,532 --> 01:46:35,852
Speaker 3: It's great. Yeah, so good right. It is nineteen to

2259
01:46:36,093 --> 01:46:38,173
Speaker 3: four coming up next, Tom Sainsbury.

2260
01:46:39,293 --> 01:46:42,253
Speaker 1: It's a fresh take on took Back. It's Matt Heath

2261
01:46:42,293 --> 01:46:45,852
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred

2262
01:46:45,893 --> 01:46:47,852
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty youth talk said.

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01:46:47,612 --> 01:46:51,532
Speaker 3: B co Written by the brilliant Tom Sainsbury alongside longtime

2264
01:46:51,612 --> 01:46:55,692
Speaker 3: collaborator law Official Chisholm, A Christmas Crisis explodes onto the

2265
01:46:55,732 --> 01:47:00,333
Speaker 3: stage as a high kicking, sleigh riding disco ball soaked spectacular.

2266
01:47:00,612 --> 01:47:02,933
Speaker 3: How good does that sound? The pair have crafted a

2267
01:47:02,973 --> 01:47:06,852
Speaker 3: world brimming with interpretive dance, chaotic festive energy, and more

2268
01:47:06,933 --> 01:47:10,612
Speaker 3: tinsel than any reindeerh safely be there, and they've even

2269
01:47:10,652 --> 01:47:13,173
Speaker 3: wrote in Matt Heath to play a little part to

2270
01:47:13,253 --> 01:47:15,692
Speaker 3: chat more about this. We are joined by Tom Sainsbury.

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01:47:15,732 --> 01:47:17,492
Speaker 3: Tom get a, how are you hi?

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01:47:17,853 --> 01:47:17,973
Speaker 5: Hi?

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01:47:18,812 --> 01:47:18,972
Speaker 20: Well?

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01:47:19,133 --> 01:47:21,892
Speaker 5: Listen Opening night tonight with Matt Heath, says our narrator.

2275
01:47:21,933 --> 01:47:24,253
Speaker 5: And it's all all nerves it.

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01:47:24,412 --> 01:47:25,052
Speaker 3: Is for Met Heath.

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01:47:25,133 --> 01:47:25,293
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2278
01:47:25,372 --> 01:47:27,812
Speaker 3: Absolutely, he's got a script there, he's been going through

2279
01:47:27,853 --> 01:47:28,453
Speaker 3: it diligently.

2280
01:47:28,572 --> 01:47:31,253
Speaker 2: It's just great to be back treating the boards where

2281
01:47:31,253 --> 01:47:35,812
Speaker 2: I started. Hey, Tom, tell us about Christmas and chaos crisis. Sorry, jeez,

2282
01:47:35,853 --> 01:47:38,932
Speaker 2: I've already I've already got some word wrong.

2283
01:47:39,093 --> 01:47:40,692
Speaker 3: Get him out now, mate, get him out now.

2284
01:47:42,253 --> 01:47:44,852
Speaker 5: So me and me and we've been doing kind of

2285
01:47:44,893 --> 01:47:47,253
Speaker 5: comedy dance forty years now, and this is our first

2286
01:47:47,333 --> 01:47:49,772
Speaker 5: kind of Christmas one. We've been really inspired by the

2287
01:47:49,853 --> 01:47:52,932
Speaker 5: kind of the outrageous pantomimes from the UK all even

2288
01:47:52,973 --> 01:47:54,732
Speaker 5: Wellington's been doing them, and so we were trying to

2289
01:47:54,772 --> 01:47:56,772
Speaker 5: tap it to that market. So we've gone for a

2290
01:47:56,812 --> 01:48:00,652
Speaker 5: really kind of outrageous dance show. It's got Santa but

2291
01:48:01,093 --> 01:48:03,372
Speaker 5: we've got Santa Claus and Missus Corse kind of breaking

2292
01:48:03,452 --> 01:48:05,372
Speaker 5: up on one storyline, and then we're taking the path

2293
01:48:05,372 --> 01:48:07,492
Speaker 5: out of the kind of Hallmark love movies of Make

2294
01:48:07,572 --> 01:48:09,932
Speaker 5: the Cut, make of Falling in Love with the Prince,

2295
01:48:09,973 --> 01:48:12,013
Speaker 5: and then they've got the alms causing chaos. So it's

2296
01:48:12,053 --> 01:48:16,053
Speaker 5: all kind of a big, bonacious, loud, colorful dance spectacular.

2297
01:48:16,412 --> 01:48:18,452
Speaker 3: So has it always been your dream to bring Panto

2298
01:48:18,652 --> 01:48:19,293
Speaker 3: to our Shawes?

2299
01:48:21,772 --> 01:48:24,452
Speaker 5: Has it always been my dream? Listen? I just go

2300
01:48:24,652 --> 01:48:27,533
Speaker 5: with a kind of you know, with the audiences, smart.

2301
01:48:28,612 --> 01:48:30,732
Speaker 3: Well speaking audience. Is there a lot of Christmas spirit

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01:48:31,013 --> 01:48:31,412
Speaker 3: out there?

2303
01:48:31,452 --> 01:48:34,213
Speaker 2: I've just fired up the Boublet records for my kids

2304
01:48:34,253 --> 01:48:36,053
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to pump pump some up and put

2305
01:48:36,053 --> 01:48:36,492
Speaker 2: the tree up.

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01:48:36,572 --> 01:48:38,013
Speaker 3: Is there enough out there for you?

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01:48:38,173 --> 01:48:38,372
Speaker 5: Tom?

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01:48:39,053 --> 01:48:40,253
Speaker 6: There absolutely is that The thing.

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01:48:40,253 --> 01:48:42,053
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what when you're doing a Christmas show,

2310
01:48:42,053 --> 01:48:43,893
Speaker 5: because we kind of start working on it temper and

2311
01:48:43,933 --> 01:48:45,973
Speaker 5: when you're already listening to kind of Christmas carols and

2312
01:48:46,053 --> 01:48:49,412
Speaker 5: pushing people Christmas chair like tonight, we'll be fine. I

2313
01:48:49,492 --> 01:48:51,333
Speaker 5: reckon next week I'll be sick to this of it.

2314
01:48:52,973 --> 01:48:56,053
Speaker 3: So the show has got everything, Tom, comedy, dance in

2315
01:48:56,133 --> 01:48:59,093
Speaker 3: a bit of absurdity for good measure. Do you have

2316
01:48:59,173 --> 01:49:00,892
Speaker 3: to train for this? Because it sounds like a really

2317
01:49:00,933 --> 01:49:03,812
Speaker 3: physical show. There's a lot of dancing going on. It's physical,

2318
01:49:03,933 --> 01:49:05,892
Speaker 3: it's fast paced. Have you been down at the gym

2319
01:49:05,933 --> 01:49:07,452
Speaker 3: for the past couple of weeks preparing for this?

2320
01:49:08,013 --> 01:49:10,012
Speaker 5: Well, tell you what, because we say it's like really funny,

2321
01:49:10,053 --> 01:49:12,692
Speaker 5: and it is really funny. But we because we've got

2322
01:49:12,732 --> 01:49:15,013
Speaker 5: a cast of like a dozen and we've got some

2323
01:49:15,133 --> 01:49:16,893
Speaker 5: trained dancers in there, but we've also got kind of

2324
01:49:16,973 --> 01:49:20,692
Speaker 5: comedians who aren't trade us. But we try. We go

2325
01:49:20,973 --> 01:49:23,173
Speaker 5: so hard, and I'm the kind of task master and

2326
01:49:23,293 --> 01:49:26,492
Speaker 5: so I might going no, no left left right, left, left, right.

2327
01:49:26,572 --> 01:49:30,173
Speaker 5: So we take it really seriously. But because I'm usually

2328
01:49:30,213 --> 01:49:32,492
Speaker 5: stepping out and watching it, so these last few days

2329
01:49:32,492 --> 01:49:34,053
Speaker 5: where I've been trying to catch up on my dance,

2330
01:49:34,093 --> 01:49:36,133
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, puffed, you.

2331
01:49:36,173 --> 01:49:37,933
Speaker 2: Know, just to bring it back me to me for

2332
01:49:38,013 --> 01:49:40,333
Speaker 2: a second, I was, you know, I was, I've done

2333
01:49:40,372 --> 01:49:42,692
Speaker 2: my due diligence, but I missed a few bits and

2334
01:49:42,732 --> 01:49:44,492
Speaker 2: then I was just looking through some of the notes

2335
01:49:44,532 --> 01:49:46,612
Speaker 2: and then at one point I've got to dance.

2336
01:49:46,692 --> 01:49:50,173
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Well, this is from the start

2337
01:49:50,173 --> 01:49:50,612
Speaker 3: of Act two.

2338
01:49:50,692 --> 01:49:54,012
Speaker 2: I danced along to Santa Claus is coming to town.

2339
01:49:54,093 --> 01:49:57,812
Speaker 2: And that's that's really It's really peaked my nerves.

2340
01:49:57,812 --> 01:50:02,253
Speaker 3: That one what are you expecting we look, do you?

2341
01:50:02,652 --> 01:50:05,052
Speaker 5: There's there's no You don't have to dance with anyone,

2342
01:50:05,452 --> 01:50:07,452
Speaker 5: you don't have to be in sync with anyone. And

2343
01:50:07,532 --> 01:50:09,412
Speaker 5: you know what, you can of do a bouoblet kind

2344
01:50:09,452 --> 01:50:11,852
Speaker 5: of like kind of kind of a shuffle to the start.

2345
01:50:12,173 --> 01:50:14,133
Speaker 5: You just kind of interpret it how you want.

2346
01:50:14,333 --> 01:50:18,412
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, there's no no judgment here. But I

2347
01:50:18,572 --> 01:50:19,692
Speaker 3: just want to share a story.

2348
01:50:19,772 --> 01:50:20,013
Speaker 24: I was.

2349
01:50:21,053 --> 01:50:22,812
Speaker 2: I signed up to Modern Dance Club when I was

2350
01:50:22,853 --> 01:50:25,173
Speaker 2: an immediate and just so I could wag, and then

2351
01:50:25,253 --> 01:50:28,612
Speaker 2: the teachers found out, and then they they made me

2352
01:50:28,692 --> 01:50:30,772
Speaker 2: perform a dance by myself in front of assembly for

2353
01:50:30,812 --> 01:50:32,732
Speaker 2: punishment for not going to Modern Dance Club.

2354
01:50:32,812 --> 01:50:34,892
Speaker 3: So there's there's a little bit of history there. Yeah.

2355
01:50:35,093 --> 01:50:39,372
Speaker 3: But but but I'll work through it now. Christmas and Crisis.

2356
01:50:39,652 --> 01:50:43,372
Speaker 2: It's got a theme around ordering online and Christmas consumerism

2357
01:50:43,492 --> 01:50:45,293
Speaker 2: and one of the stories are.

2358
01:50:45,213 --> 01:50:47,333
Speaker 3: You making your own presence this year? Are you buying

2359
01:50:47,452 --> 01:50:48,653
Speaker 3: keywis a secondhand?

2360
01:50:48,692 --> 01:50:48,973
Speaker 5: How do you?

2361
01:50:49,372 --> 01:50:52,253
Speaker 3: How do you you know your art?

2362
01:50:52,973 --> 01:50:56,093
Speaker 5: I'm keeping through to my lot. Sometimes, you know, you

2363
01:50:56,173 --> 01:50:58,133
Speaker 5: start with the best intention and I've gone for Kiwi

2364
01:50:58,253 --> 01:51:00,293
Speaker 5: made mostly, but you know, once it gets you know

2365
01:51:00,692 --> 01:51:03,652
Speaker 5: to twenty third, twenty fourth, you're like, oh, this person

2366
01:51:03,933 --> 01:51:05,132
Speaker 5: just throw money at the problem.

2367
01:51:05,812 --> 01:51:08,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I thought you were doing you know, if

2368
01:51:08,772 --> 01:51:10,133
Speaker 3: it's money that the thoughts there.

2369
01:51:10,412 --> 01:51:13,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, money, and you're doing your bit for Christmas as

2370
01:51:13,812 --> 01:51:16,492
Speaker 2: it is with Christmas and crisis. You're a busy man, Tom.

2371
01:51:16,812 --> 01:51:20,892
Speaker 2: You got your stand up, your TV feature films and theater,

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Speaker 2: and you're going to take a break. It's been a

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Speaker 2: huge it's been a huge ten years for you.

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Speaker 5: Tom, it's been pretty bad. I do get so. December

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Speaker 5: the twenty third from men on, I think it's just

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Speaker 5: going to be lying on the couch, steering at the

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Speaker 5: steeling for a good three weeks.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like a good time. Fantastic. Hey, Tom, all

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Speaker 3: the very bit, and you too as well, Matt, go

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Speaker 3: well tonight. This is a big role for you. This

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01:51:43,772 --> 01:51:45,412
Speaker 3: is this is your moment to shine.

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Speaker 2: I'll just here's the first line that I've got. Okay, okay, warmost, welcome,

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01:51:50,732 --> 01:51:54,652
Speaker 2: dear friends, sweetest lovers and foes. Here's a Christmasy tale

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Speaker 2: of four different woes.

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Speaker 3: You pack the right, man, Tom, Is that the time

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01:51:59,652 --> 01:52:02,092
Speaker 3: those dolts at time? Yeah, there's only another two hundred

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Speaker 3: lines that you've got a nail, but that first one

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01:52:03,572 --> 01:52:05,732
Speaker 3: was pretty good. All right, I'm excited. Thanks for having

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Speaker 3: me time. I appreciate you thinking of me. Tom great

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01:52:09,293 --> 01:52:11,692
Speaker 3: to chat with you. Go check it out. It says

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Speaker 3: called A Christmas Crisis opens tonight. Matt Heath is the

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Speaker 3: narrator tonight. There'll be a different narrator each night. It's

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01:52:17,652 --> 01:52:19,973
Speaker 3: at the Q Theater and runs until the twentieth. It

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01:52:20,013 --> 01:52:22,093
Speaker 3: will be a hell of a great time. So if

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Speaker 3: you want to get your tickets, just go to Q

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Speaker 3: Theater dot co dot nz. You're listening to news Talks

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01:52:27,253 --> 01:52:28,533
Speaker 3: there B back very shortly.

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01:52:28,893 --> 01:52:32,253
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:52:32,612 --> 01:52:37,013
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talks.

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Speaker 3: B News Talks THEREB. What a great man Tom Sainsbury is.

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Speaker 3: And I've gotta say, there's only a handful of tickets

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01:52:44,013 --> 01:52:47,293
Speaker 3: left for tonight, the opening night of A Christmas Crisis.

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01:52:47,853 --> 01:52:49,372
Speaker 3: If you want to get your tickets, you better get

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Speaker 3: in pretty quick. You just go to Q Theater dot

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01:52:51,652 --> 01:52:55,013
Speaker 3: co dot nz search for A Christmas Crisis and you

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01:52:55,053 --> 01:52:56,892
Speaker 3: can see Matt on stage as the narrator.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, it's going to be good. Hopefully I

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01:52:59,053 --> 01:53:01,412
Speaker 2: don't ruin it for everyone. Hey, guys, the council should

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01:53:01,412 --> 01:53:04,172
Speaker 2: give old people right on lawnmowers instead of mobility scooters

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01:53:04,253 --> 01:53:06,932
Speaker 2: and they can mow the the booms on their way

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01:53:06,973 --> 01:53:07,452
Speaker 2: to the shops.

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01:53:07,492 --> 01:53:12,412
Speaker 3: Problem solved. Actually thinking that is some great thinking. I

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01:53:12,492 --> 01:53:13,532
Speaker 3: think a lot of people enjoy it.

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01:53:13,572 --> 01:53:17,213
Speaker 2: What was that fantastic David Lynch film where that brother

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01:53:17,412 --> 01:53:19,812
Speaker 2: decided he was ninety or whatever and decided to drivers

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01:53:21,173 --> 01:53:23,253
Speaker 2: as right on lawn moyer over to see his brother.

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01:53:23,732 --> 01:53:26,213
Speaker 3: It's a great movie. It's the ultimate road.

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01:53:26,093 --> 01:53:27,612
Speaker 2: Story or something. I can't mean what it's called. It's

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01:53:27,612 --> 01:53:31,692
Speaker 2: a really, really, really excellent movie. Guys, have you been

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01:53:31,732 --> 01:53:34,253
Speaker 2: to Arrowtown? Every street has a fruit tree growing on it.

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01:53:34,333 --> 01:53:35,452
Speaker 2: I wonder who looks after that?

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01:53:35,732 --> 01:53:37,253
Speaker 3: Cheers. It's a great place Arrowtown.

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Speaker 2: Now, you know people talking about planning on burms. The

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Speaker 2: reason is that the council gets angry about it is

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01:53:42,612 --> 01:53:45,013
Speaker 2: because the services are buried underneath them, and people get

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01:53:45,093 --> 01:53:48,532
Speaker 2: upset if they get dug up to access them. Essentially,

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01:53:48,532 --> 01:53:50,612
Speaker 2: according to this text of burms exists so there is

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01:53:50,652 --> 01:53:53,972
Speaker 2: somewhere all the services can be run and accessed easily.

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Speaker 3: A water sewage power fire. But that's why they don't

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Speaker 3: like trees on them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not looking after them, councils, so we'll

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Speaker 2: do what we want with them. And look, we're capable

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01:54:03,412 --> 01:54:06,133
Speaker 2: of finding out whether you know, we're not idiots. Yeah,

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01:54:06,532 --> 01:54:08,652
Speaker 2: we can work out where the pipes are and where

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Speaker 2: the fibers and everything.

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01:54:10,372 --> 01:54:11,452
Speaker 3: We're not blooming children.

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01:54:11,732 --> 01:54:14,053
Speaker 2: We're just as smart as the counsel at knowing where

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Speaker 2: the correct places to plant something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Now this text we mentioned verge, boom, nature strip,

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01:54:20,612 --> 01:54:22,892
Speaker 3: So this person's given us a few options, so get

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01:54:22,933 --> 01:54:25,612
Speaker 3: our guys. It has many names, the verge, the nature strip,

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01:54:25,692 --> 01:54:28,372
Speaker 3: the brink, the cusp, the edge, the threshold, the border,

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01:54:28,452 --> 01:54:32,653
Speaker 3: the boundary, the margin, and many more. Besides, nature strip

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01:54:32,772 --> 01:54:33,812
Speaker 3: is the funniest for me though.

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01:54:33,973 --> 01:54:34,573
Speaker 4: Yeah, go the.

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01:54:34,573 --> 01:54:35,373
Speaker 3: Aussies on that one.

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Speaker 2: All right, then, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much

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01:54:38,693 --> 01:54:41,293
Speaker 2: for listening to the show. As always, we've loved your chats.

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01:54:41,293 --> 01:54:43,373
Speaker 2: It's been a great old time. The podcast will be

2450
01:54:43,493 --> 01:54:46,333
Speaker 2: up in about an hour or so if you missed

2451
01:54:46,333 --> 01:54:53,133
Speaker 2: any of our elongated chat on those dirty student loan

2452
01:54:53,293 --> 01:54:56,533
Speaker 2: foodsters that are not coming home to pay back their debts. Yeah,

2453
01:54:56,933 --> 01:55:00,133
Speaker 2: the great New Zealander Ryan Bridges in for Heather Doople

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01:55:00,213 --> 01:55:04,253
Speaker 2: see Alan next. But right now, Tyler, my good friend,

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01:55:05,133 --> 01:55:07,693
Speaker 2: why would I be playing this song by Lenny Kravitz?

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01:55:08,333 --> 01:55:10,573
Speaker 3: So what it's called? I didn't know it was Lenny Kravitz.

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01:55:10,573 --> 01:55:12,093
Speaker 3: I've just got to say that before you mentioned it.

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01:55:12,253 --> 01:55:14,493
Speaker 3: But what's the name of this trek piece? Well, that's

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01:55:14,533 --> 01:55:19,733
Speaker 3: a great question, Tyler. You quite often you give me

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01:55:19,772 --> 01:55:21,812
Speaker 3: a little heads up because you ask Andrew or you

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01:55:21,893 --> 01:55:23,173
Speaker 3: tell Andrew what the song is going to be, but

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01:55:23,253 --> 01:55:25,173
Speaker 3: you closed it are to me, Oh, here it is.

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01:55:25,453 --> 01:55:29,052
Speaker 2: It's always on the run, and that's what these people

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01:55:29,173 --> 01:55:31,892
Speaker 2: that are overseas and not paying off their student debt

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01:55:32,213 --> 01:55:33,053
Speaker 2: they'll always be.

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01:55:33,973 --> 01:55:36,213
Speaker 3: They'll always be on the run. They will be always

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01:55:36,213 --> 01:55:38,213
Speaker 3: trying to avoid the IID. It's a great song on

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Speaker 3: this and.

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01:55:40,772 --> 01:55:42,613
Speaker 2: The guitar you can hear in the background that was

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01:55:42,613 --> 01:55:44,772
Speaker 2: played by slash Guns and Roses, don't you know?

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01:55:44,973 --> 01:55:46,613
Speaker 3: Great show in New Zealand. I think, by the way,

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Speaker 3: who ever went to Lenny Crevis when you were here

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01:55:48,493 --> 01:55:51,533
Speaker 3: not so long ago? Fantastic perforeman, All right, then you

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01:55:51,693 --> 01:55:52,333
Speaker 3: seem busy.

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01:55:52,373 --> 01:55:54,493
Speaker 2: Will let you go until tomorrow afternoon and give them

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01:55:54,493 --> 01:55:55,653
Speaker 2: a taste of Kiwi from.

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Speaker 3: Tyler and I Am Love You and Mama Dad, a

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01:56:27,933 --> 01:56:29,973
Speaker 3: Little lad, a Crazy Mark.

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Speaker 28: And Mamma too Much Us with much Heart and Mama

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01:56:37,733 --> 01:56:43,573
Speaker 28: mose go in back of the sup and Mama.

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01:56:43,653 --> 01:56:46,653
Speaker 3: Day of the Matter.

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01:57:10,812 --> 01:57:11,773
Speaker 20: What's the moment.

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Speaker 1: You are.

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Speaker 20: Right now.

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01:57:16,653 --> 01:57:17,253
Speaker 3: That's a hold on.

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Speaker 1: HM sh for more from News Talks d B. Listen

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