1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence with US. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: Now, Barry, good afternoon, and what a wonderful afternoon it is. Look, 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: Donald Trump is such a wonderful man. The Americans have 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: a lot of faith in them. Clearly, the New York 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: Times is now saying that he'll be likely the likely 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: winner eighty five percent from the New York Times, and 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: that would give him two hundred and ninety seven electoral 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: College seats. He only needs two hundred and seventy. So look, so. 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: We're going to find out tonight, aren't we. 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: I would imagine if this trend continues. But don't forget 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: there's still a lot of counting to be done, and 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 2: you know the Democrat count always comes in late. So 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: this is certainly a reflection that Donald Trump's got a 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: pretty strong So. 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: Just explain to me, Barry, how big is the rip 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: in your ninety right now? How much do you hate this? 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: And are you going to accept that you are firmly 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: part of the political elite? Aren't you? 19 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: No? 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: I wouldn't think so at all. 21 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: Lost so obvious it's going to happen. 22 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: It wasn't deep analysis, as I said to you at 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: the start. It was I still can't believe that more 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: than half the population in America would go out and 25 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: vote for a man like Donald Trump. But you've got 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: to give it to Trump. He's extraordinary when you think 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: about his survivability. And I remember when I was there 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, on the night, we're at the Clinton 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: headquarters because Trump canceled our invitation to his headquarters in 30 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: New York, so we went to Clinton. Yeah, and at 31 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: about three in the morning, John Podesta, her campaign chairman, 32 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: came out told about four or five thousand people who 33 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: had been gathered all night, had worked for her tirelessly 34 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: in the camp campaign, that she wasn't going to concede defeat, 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: and so they said filing out. I talked to a 36 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: number of them. They were very disappointed, and to me, 37 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: it just goes to show the sort of person that 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton was the wrong Democrat to be put up 39 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: same then, on the way back to my hotel in 40 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: the cab, what did you do? She conceded defeat And 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: I thought it was despicable behavior. But Kamala Harris would, 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: of course she would. She's nothing like Hillary Clinton, and 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: in a way, she was thrust into the job. You'd 44 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 2: have to say because of Joe Biden and. 45 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: His didn't want it. 46 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 2: No, no, you can't do that. But you know, the 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: idea of going out and getting another Democratic nominee in 48 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: the time that was available to them was pretty So. 49 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: What was the bean? Did you agree to the three 50 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: thousand dollar bet with me on? 51 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: Well? No, I've agreed to a number of bets, Heather, 52 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,839 Speaker 2: and I might be losing quite a lot of them. 53 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: But look, it's interesting if Donald Trump does win. I 54 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: just look at the looked at the history books. There 55 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: was a chap called Grover Cleveland. Now he lost the 56 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: White House in eighteen eighty two. Yes, then he was 57 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: the only president in history to come back four years later. 58 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: So take a four year break and then down then 59 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: win again. He won the Trump now. 60 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: Who won three subsequent elections. Who is there for another 61 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: twelve years? I don't think Donald Trump's going to pull 62 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: that one off. But nevertheless, he will become the first 63 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: of more than one hundred years. 64 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: To I don't think you're in any position to be 65 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: making any predictions today. 66 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: Well, who knows. 67 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: Maybe Donald Trump does. Hey, Barry, just back home quickly. 68 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: What do you make of the the white Tonguy tribunal 69 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: leaking the fact that the Treaty Principal's Bill is going 70 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: to Parliament. 71 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: Well, look, I think the White Tongy tribunalist it hardly 72 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: comes as anything new that they are quite political. And 73 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: I've got to say in Parliament this afternoon it was 74 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: as though the bill had already been introduced, meaning that 75 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister was in the hot seat fielding questions 76 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: from the Maldi Party co leader Rivalry Waite to tea 77 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: with Chris lux And saying the government will govern for 78 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: all New Zealanders. Any pretense though that the wait Tangi 79 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: tribunalism't political has been removed by its actions on the bill. 80 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: But Luxon was adamant about national and the government's position 81 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: when being questioned by YT. 82 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: They've got a government that's here to advance outcomes for 83 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: Mary and non Marty. 84 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 3: How can you sleep at night knowing that the violence 85 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: of the treaty principles built is going to have a discriminatory, 86 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: intergenerational impact on our mob. 87 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: Winner I disagree with the characterization of that question. 88 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: How many apologies as a state willing to make while 89 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: they continue to inflict violence and abuse on our people 90 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: whilst continuously breaching to tidity or waiting again. 91 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: I disagree with the characterization of that statement. 92 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 3: How can you stand in his house and support a 93 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: bill which the Way Tangy Tribunal has described as quote 94 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 3: the worst did me emphasize the worst, most comprehensive breach 95 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: of the Treaty to Trinity and modern time end quote? 96 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: We're not supporting the. 97 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: Bill in second reading. 98 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: He was sort of being worn down by the questions. 99 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: I think, and you know, it's a difficult situation for 100 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: the National Party to be in this note out about that, 101 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: But the Way Tangy Tribunal, I think should reflect on 102 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: the position that it's played in all of this. 103 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: Verry, thanks very much, Enjoy your evening. 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