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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks, that'd be Doogle.

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Speaker 2: Southern from Umbrella Well Being is here with us this

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Speaker 2: morning and Doogle. We've been reflecting in our music segments

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Speaker 2: over the last few weeks that there's a real kind

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Speaker 2: of thing for nostalgia at the moment, whether it's Oasis,

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Speaker 2: even even bands like Metallica, I think many of us

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Speaker 2: have a bit of a thing for nostalgia. And you've

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Speaker 2: been remembering the good old days and remembering and noting

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Speaker 2: that actually, maybe the good old days are not quite

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Speaker 2: as good as we necessarily recall.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the fact is that everybody's good old

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Speaker 3: days are the good old days, and in fact, in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, as will currently be in the future,

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Speaker 3: somebody's good old days.

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Speaker 4: So we all have.

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Speaker 3: This period of our lives sort of you know, mid

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Speaker 3: to late teens, early adulthood, which most of us look

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Speaker 3: back fondly on, and most of us have big, sort

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Speaker 3: of good memories that period. And and you know, you

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Speaker 3: remember your first kiss, and you remember your first big concert,

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Speaker 3: and you remember.

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Speaker 4: Your first this and your first that.

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Speaker 2: Is seductive.

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Speaker 4: It is seductive. Absolutely, politicians use.

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Speaker 3: It, you know, make America great again, because remember it

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Speaker 3: used to be great.

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Speaker 4: Remember in the good old days when it used to

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Speaker 4: be great. It's not now, is it. And that's that's

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Speaker 4: the thing that psychologists call the reminiscence bump. So that's

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Speaker 4: that period of your life, you know, that that that

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Speaker 4: late that late late teens, early adulthood when we we

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Speaker 4: pretty much all of us have that sort of just

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Speaker 4: that general, we have a large amount of memories and

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Speaker 4: they're often very have a very positive sort of elements

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Speaker 4: to them, that very nostalgic that we like to look

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Speaker 4: back on and think of as the good old days

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Speaker 4: for us.

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Speaker 2: It's it's probably because while I'm just guessing here, but

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Speaker 2: is it because that's when you sort of have your

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Speaker 2: first sense of independence, that the kind of formative years

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Speaker 2: professionally or educationally, and that and that Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: I suppose in a relationship sense that you know, you're

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Speaker 2: experiencing a lot of new things as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's right.

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Speaker 3: And I think that sort of speaks to what memory

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Speaker 3: is for or why do we have memory? And and

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Speaker 3: this sort of memory memory about our own lives is

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Speaker 3: called autobiographical memory, right, And and it's not the role

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Speaker 3: of memory, or at least this type of memory isn't

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Speaker 3: to keep a sort of video recording of our lives

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Speaker 3: and everything that happens so that we can sort.

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Speaker 4: Of go back to it whenever we want.

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Speaker 3: One of the big theories is that it's actually our memory,

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Speaker 3: our autobiographical memories about figuring out who we are and

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Speaker 3: helping us shape our view of ourselves, so that as

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Speaker 3: you say, that's when we start having our first serious relationships,

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Speaker 3: we start our professional careers, and our memories of that

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Speaker 3: help shape our view of who we are going forward.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, i am this, or i am I'm an

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Speaker 3: Oasis fan or I'm a Blue fan. To you know,

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Speaker 3: that's a fairly minor example, but you know that it

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Speaker 3: helps us shape and gives us that sense of who

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Speaker 3: we are as people. These other things that are important

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Speaker 3: to me, They have stuck out, These have shaped me

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Speaker 3: in some ways.

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Speaker 2: For these are they are formative identity?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, that's a really good way upon it.

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Speaker 3: The formative identity about us and because they're new and unique.

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Speaker 3: You know, your first big concert or that first job,

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Speaker 3: your first car, your first love, you probably have talked

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Speaker 3: about it and thought about it and remembered about it

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Speaker 3: a lot, so you keep bringing it back to mind,

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Speaker 3: and you keep rehearsing it, and so you're keeping it alive,

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Speaker 3: and you're giving up more attention perhaps than you might

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Speaker 3: give to other events that have happened in your life. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, so we're likely to recall it more because

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Speaker 3: sort of often new and exciting events that have happened

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Speaker 3: our first times. You know, they tend to give us

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Speaker 3: lives were like in the past.

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Speaker 2: It's very interesting so and interesting that you focus on

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Speaker 2: the good things, you know that we kind of we

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Speaker 2: look at the rosier things. Do you think that maybe

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe there's because I don't want to

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Speaker 2: say there's less pressure when you're young, because actually a

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Speaker 2: lot of young people under a huge amount amounts of pressure.

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Speaker 2: But I suppose you know, if you're eighteen or nineteen,

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Speaker 2: you're not worried about the mortgage or feeding the treads.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's generally speaking, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, typically speaking of you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that you know, we do tend to

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Speaker 3: remember things that stand out, so you know that the

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Speaker 3: unique then you tend to stand out more for us,

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Speaker 3: and we tend to rehearse and remember those more than

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Speaker 3: more than sort of the daily drudgery of sort of

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Speaker 3: getting up and you know, going to work and having

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Speaker 3: to pay the bills, which.

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Speaker 4: Happens over and over and over and over again.

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Speaker 3: But it's just not very particularly exciting to think about,

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Speaker 3: so we don't spend a lot of time thinking about it,

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Speaker 3: but we do want to spend you know, it excites

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Speaker 3: us and interests as it makes us feel good when

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Speaker 3: we remember those first things again, and so yeah, it

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Speaker 3: helps shape our kind of re memory of who we

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Speaker 3: are as people and who we are as humans and

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Speaker 3: our identity of ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, it's interesting how the new experiences thing kind

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Speaker 2: of manipulates perceptions. So I read a study recently that

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Speaker 2: was suggesting that, you know, you know, how it feels

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Speaker 2: like time is speeding up as you get older.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But apparently it's not just because everything is relative. You know,

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Speaker 2: so when you're a kid, you've only if you've only

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Speaker 2: been a life for five years, you know, one day

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Speaker 2: as a percentage of life as much. Yeah, but it's

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Speaker 2: because new experiences. When you are experiencing a new experience,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't pass with the same speed that the drudge

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Speaker 2: of repeated experiences password. So for example, right, if you're

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Speaker 2: just going to work normally for a month, that month

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Speaker 2: will go really fast. But if you have a month

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Speaker 2: in which you are backpacking through you know, through the

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Speaker 2: through the north coast of Spain and then faking in

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Speaker 2: the Pyrenees or something like that, the actual experience of

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Speaker 2: that month will take a lot longer because they're all

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Speaker 2: new experiences.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so yes, yeah, you're bringing them

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Speaker 4: Well there's a lot more packed in there, isn't there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're probably going to be talking about that

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Speaker 3: and remembering that and looking at photos of that and

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Speaker 3: sending video clips back and back in the day, you'd

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Speaker 3: write a postcard about it. So that's and that's all

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Speaker 3: rehearsing in your memory. So you're all, you know, you're

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Speaker 3: bringing it every time you bring it to mind. It's

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Speaker 3: sort of cementing if you like that memory a bit

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Speaker 3: stronger into your head. So yeah, it sort of fits

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Speaker 3: with that really, that those sort of new, unique things

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Speaker 3: we tend to focus on and bring back to mind

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Speaker 3: more and more, and that just strengthens, strengthens the memory

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Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, and for the reminiscence bump that, you know.

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Speaker 2: Which is reminiscence bumpers as late teens, early twenties as

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Speaker 2: opposed to thirty seven.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when life, you know, life perhaps doesn't quite have

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Speaker 3: so many new and exciting things every day. No, no,

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Speaker 3: you start, you start paying the mortgage and having to

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Speaker 3: do the vacuuming and clean the bathroom again, washing again,

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Speaker 3: which don't aren't really particularly memorable or interesting, so we

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Speaker 3: don't sort of tend to think about them or remember them.

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Speaker 2: That's very interesting, Thank you so much too.

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Speaker 3: Hey, before we go to I do have to say

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Speaker 3: that I gleefully disregard rules of grammar and English good,

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Speaker 3: and simply don't care about them at all.

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Speaker 2: Good. I'm glad. I'm glad you're you're the first person

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Speaker 2: to actually write in and say that this morning, to

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Speaker 2: offer that up. I'm very pleased that someone has taken

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Speaker 2: a contrarian position, because actually it's incredibly snobbish of the

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Speaker 2: reason well to be sitting here all high and mighty.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you go and look at Shakespeare's English, look

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Speaker 2: at how much the language changed in the last few

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Speaker 2: hundred years. And you know, language is always morphing and evolving.

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Speaker 4: It is a look.

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Speaker 3: In my case at dates back the fact that my

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Speaker 3: mum was a speech teacher, so we always had these

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Speaker 3: rules sort of religiously drilled into us. And so part

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Speaker 3: of my teenage rebellion was not caring about those rules,

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Speaker 3: which wasn't really much of a rebellion at all really.

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Speaker 3: But no, but yeah, so I just don't I don't mind, really,

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Speaker 3: but I appreciate the fact that some people do.

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Speaker 2: Look, I can assure you that not just some people

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Speaker 2: do many many people do this.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like it from all the activity on the text.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, hey, thank you so much. I have a

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Speaker 2: great reek of kedging is a doogle? Let us doggle

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