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Speaker 1: So David Seymour's lost the battle, but has he won

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Speaker 1: the war? If the goal was to redefine the treaty

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Speaker 1: principles and one fel sweep with a bill that didn't

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Speaker 1: have the support it needed to get past the first reading,

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Speaker 1: which was clearly ambitious and never going to happen, then

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Speaker 1: he's lost. But if the goal, and Seamol's not stupid,

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Speaker 1: was to start a national conversation, to have the debate

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Speaker 1: to move the goal posts on partnership, so much of

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Speaker 1: which had been defined by the previous labor lot, then

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Speaker 1: it's hard to argue he hasn't been somewhat successful in

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Speaker 1: doing that. He made a couple of interesting points in

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Speaker 1: a stand up today. Ninety five percent of these submitters

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Speaker 1: opposing the bill doesn't mean ninety five percent of the country.

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Speaker 1: The end of life Choice bill was opposed by ninety

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Speaker 1: odd percent of submitters, but passed on a referendum two

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Speaker 1: thirds to one. It's the age old problem with consultation.

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Speaker 1: You see it with cycle ways and councils. And I've

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Speaker 1: spoken about this before because it's a pet peeve of mine.

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Speaker 1: But only those people who really love to get on

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Speaker 1: a bike bother to turn up and make an oral submission.

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Speaker 1: Everyone else is too busy and stuck in traffic getting

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Speaker 1: to work. So the fact this bill has failed doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean it will fail if put to the public. But

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Speaker 1: the bigger issue here, for Seymour I reckon is timing.

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Speaker 1: The treaty question isn't question is an existential one. It's

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Speaker 1: a largely theoretical one. Trying to have this debate during

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Speaker 1: the worst recession in thirty years and coming off the

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Speaker 1: back of sky high inflation is just bad timing. People

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Speaker 1: want their government talking about mortgage rates, not race. One day,

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Speaker 1: the time might come, the moment might be right, and

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Speaker 1: we can afford to confront this issue, which given the

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Speaker 1: number of submissions, clearly has a fair whack of us

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