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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Why's that drugrichardarld morning, good morning? Like has he left Sidepan?

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Speaker 2: Do we know actually literally where he is?

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Speaker 1: He is inside Pan And in a few hours they're

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Speaker 1: going to have that hearing on what is US territory?

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Speaker 1: That's a little dot in the Pacific where some what

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Speaker 1: thirty three thousand people died during World War Two? Now

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Speaker 1: US territory. That is why Australian Border Sans, founder of

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Speaker 1: Wiki Leagues, paid five hundred thousand bucks four the private

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Speaker 1: jet flight from the UK to the remote island to

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Speaker 1: face a single felony account of illegally disclosing national security

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Speaker 1: infomostly about Iraq and the Afghan Wars. You know, I

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Speaker 1: remember first hearing about assangean day one when some producers

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Speaker 1: told me who cares about that? Turns out a lot

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Speaker 1: of folks. Assange has waged the strangest battle to stay

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Speaker 1: out of the hands of American justice through these what

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Speaker 1: fourteen years or so. He lived in the ecuador An

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Speaker 1: embassy y're a gall in London for years with his

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Speaker 1: cat there was arrested thereby the britsween Ecuador withdrew the asylum.

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Speaker 1: He avoided sexual assault claims from Sweden in the case

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Speaker 1: THESSA as long as denied and in which charges since

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Speaker 1: had been dropped. In his London maximum security prison for

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Speaker 1: the past five years, he was confined to hisself for

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Speaker 1: twenty three hours a day, with one hour per day

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Speaker 1: in a prison yard for exercise. As to what he

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Speaker 1: did with Wiki leaks, in twenty nineteen, a US federal

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Speaker 1: grand jury charged him on eighteen counts that could have

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Speaker 1: brought him a combined prison term of one hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy years for leaking almost half a million secret military

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Speaker 1: documents and videos, including one for two thousand and seven

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Speaker 1: a US Apache helicopter attack on Iraqi civilians. San said,

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Speaker 1: the real story of this material is that it's war.

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Speaker 1: It's one damn thing after another. Well, a lot of

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Speaker 1: this material came from the former US soldier Bradley Manning

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Speaker 1: now Chelsea Manning. After the sexchange, Manning served on seven

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Speaker 1: years in prison until her term was commuted by then

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Speaker 1: President Obama. Manning sought a New Zealand visa for speaking

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Speaker 1: to her back in twenty eighteen. As to reactions, well,

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Speaker 1: there is celebration and condemnation. We've been hearing these mixed responses,

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Speaker 1: says his wife, Stellar over what's occurring. It's a whirlwind

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Speaker 1: of emotions.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just elated.

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Speaker 1: Also supportive is the President Brazil, the Silver and filmmaker

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Speaker 1: Michael Moore, who once put up a jail bond twenty

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Speaker 1: thousand bucks Forsannge. Donald Trump, who once said he loved

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Speaker 1: Wiki leaks, now says not my thing. President Biden indicated

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Speaker 1: he was open to ending this saga with his plea

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Speaker 1: deal for Mike Pence calls the Assige release a miscarriage

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Speaker 1: of justice. The journalism world also is divided. The Committee

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Speaker 1: to Protect Journalist welcomes his release and slams the use

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Speaker 1: of the Espionage Act to go after Assange. The International

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Speaker 1: Federation of Journalists calls his release a quote significant victory

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Speaker 1: for media freedom, while media commentator and former CIA man

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Speaker 1: Bob Bear says Assange crossed the line in his thinking

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Speaker 1: by failing to redact the names of Iraqi and sources.

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Speaker 3: If they get those kind of names, they never publicize them.

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Speaker 3: They want to protect lives. He didn't do that. He's

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Speaker 3: not a journalist. He put those names in the leaks,

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Speaker 3: he did not redact them. We don't know what's happened

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Speaker 3: to a lot of those people. Probably a lot of

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Speaker 1: So Massrange will go back to Australia, and Barbea says

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Speaker 1: there is still much that remains unknown, Like Asonge's rumored

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Speaker 1: Russia times.

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Speaker 3: He had at a time a server operating off a

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Speaker 3: server in Moscow. He had a lot of strange Russian contacts.

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Speaker 3: He never ran leaks, you know, against against Russia at all.

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Speaker 3: So in the intelligence community, the FBI, the question was

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Speaker 3: was he in a Russian proxy?

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Speaker 1: So hero will Hellian you decide exactly.

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Speaker 2: Then we got a course with Snowden, who isn't that

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Speaker 2: particular part of the world, along with Evan Gershkovitz who

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Speaker 2: is on trial.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so still on the issue of journalism and secrets.

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Speaker 1: We have Gushkevich who's going to going to court tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: He has been held in prison in Russia since March

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Speaker 1: of last year and what President Biden calls a legal detention.

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Speaker 1: Efforts to organize so far a prisoners swop have failed,

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Speaker 1: although Putin has indicated he might be open to one

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Speaker 1: if Americans can arrange freedom for one of Putin's crony's

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Speaker 1: held in Germany. So complicated Evan Gerskevich will be tried

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Speaker 1: in secret in the city of Katrenberg and faces up

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Speaker 1: to twenty years in prison. No family, friends, or US

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Speaker 1: embassy staff will be given access. As Russia expert William Pomerantz.

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Speaker 3: There is going to be no fair trial. He is

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Speaker 3: going to be convicted, and once he is convicted then

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Speaker 3: some sort of negotiations will take place.

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Speaker 1: So two key cases, the challenges of journalism.

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Speaker 2: All right, MPE, So you next week precied a very

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Speaker 2: much Richard Arnold State Sides.

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