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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge on hither duper se Ellen Dry with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand coverage like no one else.

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Speaker 2: You saw Sibby, Good afternoon, seven after four on your

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Speaker 2: Friday afternoon. Great to have your company. Now, Gloria Vale,

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Speaker 2: the leader of Gloria Vale is going to prison. But

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Speaker 2: could he get out early or could he even potentially die?

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Speaker 2: There is eighty five years old. We'll talk to a

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Speaker 2: Lauria about that after five. Brook van Valden on the

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Speaker 2: minimum wage portion sizes the real reason we're all getting

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Speaker 2: so fat retail spending's up. Jim Kays and Elliott Smith

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Speaker 2: on the sport Huddle tonight. Bryan Bridge on the face

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Speaker 2: of it, this coastal shipping decision from James Mega seems

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Speaker 2: like a bit of an odd one to me. It's

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Speaker 2: a win for truckies. Like it or not. We're about

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Speaker 2: to get apparently five hundred extra trucks filled with fifteen

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Speaker 2: every month in this country as a result. But it's

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Speaker 2: bad for coastal shipping, even though the Minister says it's

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Speaker 2: actually good for coastal shipping. Let me explain. There's a

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Speaker 2: but its current ship is old and buggered basically, so

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Speaker 2: the meantime they've sorted a temporary ship for three years

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Speaker 2: James Megha, Associate Transport, steps in and says, NAT can't

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Speaker 2: You see, the vast majority of goods being moved around

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Speaker 2: And once you sink that investment into freight by road,

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Speaker 2: James Cook for James Meager about this after sixth this evening.

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Speaker 2: He's the minister that's made the decision. He's made the

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Speaker 2: Nine two ninety two is the numbers of text love

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Speaker 2: to hear from you today. Casey Paul has just finished

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Speaker 2: thirteen years of schooling without a single day off. Most

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Speaker 2: students would fake a cough every now and then. You

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Speaker 2: kids hate pe. Not Casey. The Deputy Prime Minister David

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Speaker 2: Seymour has acknowledged her achievements. He's trying to lift attendance nationwide.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Casey is with me this afternoon. Casey, Hello,

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Speaker 2: Hello Ryan, how are you very well? Thank you? Casey?

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Speaker 2: What school have you been going to.

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Speaker 3: For the past five years? I've been at Rotoro Girls

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Speaker 2: And is this true? You legitimately haven't had a single

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Speaker 3: It's one hundred percent. I've never pulled a SICKI and

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Speaker 3: I've never had a day off.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been sick and gone to school anyway?

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Speaker 3: I mainly wanted to stay at school every single day

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Speaker 2: Why would it make the dream more attainable?

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Speaker 3: Because I always knew that I was up to date

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Speaker 2: Casey, have any of your friends taken had any sickies

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Speaker 3: There's some kids that are definitely quite amazed. Like I've

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't worry you. You've got bigger You've got

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Speaker 2: it's more up to you to decide what's going on

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Speaker 3: They're very They're very supportive. So when I said that

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Speaker 3: So they've always been like, if that's what you want

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Speaker 2: Did I even want to go on a family trip

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I ruined it, but yes.

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Speaker 2: What happened they wanted they wanted you to take a

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Speaker 3: There was a family trip that we were going to take.

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Speaker 2: Enough, Casey, What did you make of your you know,

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Speaker 2: David Seymour sort of acknowledging this and putting a bit

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Speaker 3: I thought it was such a cool achievement. And I

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Speaker 2: And why just this is a bit of a political question, Casey,

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Speaker 3: I don't actually know how to answer that. I would

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, When are you going to be what's happening now?

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Speaker 2: Because you finished school. So what's happening now? Where are

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Speaker 3: I'm going to Auckland University of Technology next year.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. I don't doubt that you will never miss a

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Speaker 2: day of university either. Oksei, thank you very much for

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Speaker 4: Ryan Bridge, it's.

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Speaker 2: A Casey Paul with us from Notto do a Girl's High.

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Speaker 2: Very cool story. Fourteen minutes after four what we'll get

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Speaker 2: to Darcy with sports next. The number is nine to

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered My News.

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Speaker 2: Talks EDB, News Talks VB. It is forced seventeene loads

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Speaker 2: of texts on the wholesome situation. This is the cement

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Speaker 2: ship well shipping this cement Ryan. Do you think a

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Speaker 2: the call aid here. Thinning out of the wedge to

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Speaker 2: in Australia, this a text says, and they are just

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Speaker 2: flagged coastal shipping rules. Well, that is a very fulsome

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Speaker 2: Transport Minister on the show up to sixth this evening

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Speaker 2: it is four eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Sport with tab Multy's Fast Easy and more codes are

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Speaker 1: eighteen bit responsibly.

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Speaker 2: Hen is here? Hey, Jason, Hey, Ryan, Hey, you mate

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Speaker 2: very well, Thank you. Has Bundle played his last ever Test?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a literesting question, this isn't it. Tom Blunder

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Speaker 5: would have been playing in Wellington had he not torn

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Speaker 5: So you'd think, okay, well he's staking his claim. But

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Speaker 5: I guess we have to remember Tom Blundell wasn't dropped

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Speaker 5: side for quite some time. Mitch Hay's going to play

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Speaker 5: a lot of cricket for New Zealand. I don't think

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Speaker 5: there's any question about that. But I think it would

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Speaker 5: be a really big core for the selectors to say, right, Tom,

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Speaker 5: that's it for you. There's a big twelve months of

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Speaker 5: back here against India and then over in Australia next summer.

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Speaker 2: All right, and to football Auklanniffs, they've got a bunch

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Speaker 5: Indeed, five of the next six games are away, starting

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Speaker 5: they play the Mariners in Gosford. It is actually theoretically

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Speaker 2: be that's Jason Pine, sports talk host. Now there's so

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Speaker 2: much love coming in for Casey, who's our high school student.

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Speaker 2: wonderful attitude for this is from Darryl. What a star.

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Speaker 4: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on either duplicy Ellen Drive with one

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Speaker 2: That'd be so after five we'll talk to Brook van Velden.

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Speaker 2: She's increased the minimum wage two percent. Remember last time

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Speaker 2: This is the NATO boss and Mark Rutter. And every

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Speaker 4: It is not.

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Speaker 6: The time for action is now.

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Speaker 2: Also, there is an update for you from Zelensky on Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: You know what's happening with don Bass region. Apparently Trump

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Speaker 1: Big, hard questions, strong opinion Ryan Bridge on hither dup

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Speaker 7: Be will I so, Judith, so can you copy yourzo.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on newstalks'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: So the Venezuelan oil tanker seized by the US well

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Speaker 9: They've treated us badly, and I guess now we're not

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Speaker 2: To Australia, the opposition leader, they're calling for reform to

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Speaker 2: All right, Susan, Does anyone else think that was just

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Jonathan Kursley, a US correspondent. Jonathan, the

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Speaker 11: This was the first time that the suspect, Tyler Robinson,

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Speaker 11: highly watched trial wind the clock back. It was September ten,

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Speaker 11: Charlie Kirk was assassinated. There was a huge man hunt

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Speaker 11: If you like today, We've heard so much of that before,

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Speaker 2: Now we've got a drum roll, please, Jonathan, you're going

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Speaker 11: blocking or trying to make changes to regulations around artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 11: Stald Trump has a fascination with AI. It is something

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Speaker 11: that he leans into very heavily, and particularly when you

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Speaker 11: look at his inauguration, there were so many of those

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Speaker 11: tech giants who were seated in a front row position

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Speaker 11: at that inauguration ceremony. So he loves Silicon Valley, he

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Speaker 11: loves billionaires, he loves tech giants, and clearly he loves

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Speaker 11: artificial intelligence too.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, I appreciate that Jonathan Jonathan Kearsley are

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Speaker 2: US correspondent with US this afternoon nineteen minutes away from

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Speaker 2: five talking and thinking about Venezuela just a little bit

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Speaker 2: last night was doing some reading because everyone's saying, well,

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Speaker 2: why is he really doing this? Is it because they're,

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Speaker 2: you know, dictatorship. He doesn't like dictator as well? No,

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Speaker 2: we know he likes some dictators Is it because they

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Speaker 2: are a bunch of commies? Doesn't like commies? Is it

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Speaker 2: because you know what is driving his fascination with Venezuela?

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Speaker 2: Is it drugs? That's his excuse. But then you talk

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Speaker 2: to experts about this, and they'll tell you that the

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Speaker 2: drugs coming out of Venezuela basically coke boats, not ventanyl boats,

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Speaker 2: and ventyl boats are the things that you should really

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Speaker 2: be caring about. If you're the US president, you get

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Speaker 2: coke boats coming out of half the countries in Latin America.

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Speaker 2: So why just Venezuela oil? And the interesting thing about

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Speaker 2: oil is that the Americans are pumping out, in terms

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Speaker 2: of their production, more oil now than they have ever before,

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Speaker 2: thank you to fracking. And so you think, well, do

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Speaker 2: they actually how badly do they really need Venezuelan oil? Well,

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Speaker 2: apparently there is quite a big difference in how thick

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Speaker 2: the oil is that comes from Venezuela compared to the

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Speaker 2: oil that you frack out of the States, and the

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Speaker 2: Venezuelan oil is thick, and the Americans have oil refineries

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Speaker 2: that need thick oil. So although they're producing more oil,

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Speaker 2: the Americans are now also importing a hell of a

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Speaker 2: lot more oil, and they need thick oil to keep

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Speaker 2: their refineries going. Very hard to build a big new refinery.

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Speaker 2: So apparently this is a lot to do, as it

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Speaker 2: always is with war. To do with a wheel buried sop.

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Speaker 1: Next politics with centric credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Quarter to five news talks be burries here. Hey, best,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon, right. I quite like that Parliament is having

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Speaker 2: to sit You're cruel, Well, am I cruel we're having

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Speaker 2: we're having to work at barry Is. Most of our

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Speaker 2: listeners will still be on their way home from most.

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Speaker 12: Of our colleagues are at the the HAP.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So I'm happy that. I'm happy they're under urgency.

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Speaker 12: Well, yes, but it's laborious. I mean, if you have

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Speaker 12: to sit there, it's like torture. And the old days,

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Speaker 12: of course, they used to in fact have them sitting

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Speaker 12: all night to the extent that balamies used to deliver

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Speaker 12: a tray of toast round to the press. Yes, after that,

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Speaker 12: I mean it was just those days were terrible and

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Speaker 12: you don't want to see them repeated. But at the

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Speaker 12: moment they are, and they'll be very tired today because

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Speaker 12: they were sitting at twenty to two this morning and

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Speaker 12: then starting again at nine o'clock. What happened was, and

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Speaker 12: it's the opposition's own fault, because they put forward more

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Speaker 12: than two hundred amendments to the Electoral Amendment Act and

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Speaker 12: that all every amendment had to be voted on before

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Speaker 12: they could rise the rules. So Labor brought it upon themselves. Well,

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Speaker 12: I've been filibustering all the way through, and that doesn't

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Speaker 12: look like letting up at all. And it could conceivably

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Speaker 12: sit until midnight tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Nightasticy Saturday as well.

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Speaker 12: It could be could be forgiven for thinking that Labor

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Speaker 12: was against the controversial bill about penalties for coward punchers,

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Speaker 12: king hits, assaults on first responders and the like police,

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Speaker 12: fire and ambulance. You could be the forged forgiven for

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Speaker 12: thinking that Labor was opposed to it. If you listen

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Speaker 12: to Jenny Anderson, who was first up on the debate.

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Speaker 13: Offenders would be preparing themselves with weapons more so than

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Speaker 13: they are now, and that this would escalate situations where

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Speaker 13: they've already found themselves in a dangerous situation. And this

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Speaker 13: begs the question, Madam Speaker, if the police don't support it,

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Speaker 13: if the Ministry of Justice don't support it, if retail

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Speaker 13: New Zealand don't support it, and small business owners themselves

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Speaker 13: don't even.

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Speaker 14: Support it, who does.

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Speaker 13: And the answer to that is the Committee of one

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Speaker 13: Sunny Koshol, who's been given this as an idea to.

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Speaker 2: Try and fix it.

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Speaker 13: That's the only person we know who actually has supported this.

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Speaker 12: I think she forgot that her colleagues of the Labor

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Speaker 12: Party supported it well. But in fairness I suppose they

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Speaker 12: supported it through to the first reading. And so when

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Speaker 12: it goes this is select committee and comes back, they'll

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Speaker 12: probably vote it downs.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, and the debate. What's the latest the debate?

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Speaker 12: I'll tell you what. The Taxpayers Union, I think have

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Speaker 12: never had so much publicity as this one. And it's

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Speaker 12: quite ingenious in a way, because I guess Nikola Willis

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Speaker 12: laid the ground rules anywhere, anytime, any place, She'll debate

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Speaker 12: Ruth Richardson on the economy and where it should be going.

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Speaker 12: The Taxpayers Union are now saying that they would certainly

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Speaker 12: certainly expect to take part in the debate, even though

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Speaker 12: they say that Nikola Willis is renegged on her anytime,

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Speaker 12: any place challenge to Ruth Richardson. They now it seems

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Speaker 12: the person who moderate debate debate is Cameron Bagry the economists.

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Speaker 12: He's the A and z's former economist, former advisors to

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Speaker 12: the National parties on public finance, and they see him

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Speaker 12: as being neutral. It was meant to take place in

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Speaker 12: the old Legislative Council chamber, then it was shifted to

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Speaker 12: a select committee room, and now it's being just in

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Speaker 12: the last few minutes it's been shifted what it could

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Speaker 12: be shifted to a studio that can allow for live streaming.

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Speaker 12: So the dark Horse and all of this though even

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Speaker 12: though the nominated Cameron Baggery could be wait for it.

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Speaker 12: Winston Peters I talked towards a well his.

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Speaker 2: Name was floated. What's going on?

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Speaker 12: Well, his name was floated, and I thought, wouldn't that

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Speaker 12: be fascinating? Because Winston was of course around the National

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Speaker 12: Party in the nineties during the Mother of All budgets,

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Speaker 12: so he knows firsthand how that went down. And of

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Speaker 12: course he's now in coalition with Nikola.

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Speaker 2: Willis's hardly part and it wasn't measure after all, and

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Speaker 2: your skin in the game for instance, impartial model.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well he said, here, do it if called upon

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Speaker 12: for the good of the nation. So I guess we'll

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Speaker 12: have to see, but I think it probably will be

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Speaker 12: Cameron Bagriy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Now the Space Minister. There is nothing I

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Speaker 2: love more than talking to Judith Collins about space. Her

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Speaker 2: face lights up like a Christmas tree when you mentioned it,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. And she's a great example of someone who's

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Speaker 2: reinvented themselves over and over in politics and genuinely loves

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Speaker 2: when she gets thrown a good portfolio.

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Speaker 12: Ministry Ever would have thought that New Zealand would have

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Speaker 12: a space ministry. I'll tell you what. I went on

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Speaker 12: the New Zealand inaugural flight to Vancouver back in two

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Speaker 12: thousand and seven about this time, and in fact, we

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Speaker 12: went to Whistler as part of the trip, and we

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Speaker 12: were on these very high platforms over trees, doing flying

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Speaker 12: foxes across very deep ravines and I'll study on the

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Speaker 12: platform with one guy and I looked at him. He

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Speaker 12: looked rather strange. He had one of those funny caps

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Speaker 12: on that had flaps over the years, and I thought,

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Speaker 12: you're a strange dude, So what are you doing here?

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Speaker 12: And he said, oh, I'm into rockets. I went, oh, really,

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Speaker 12: I thought this guy's a bit of a bit of

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Speaker 12: a nutter. So off I went flying across the gully

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Speaker 12: and it was none other than Peter bed So what

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Speaker 12: they're doing is they're putting up one point eight million

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Speaker 12: dollars for a pilot boosting Kiwi Space Space companies to

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Speaker 12: take part more so in the Kiwi Space aviated that

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Speaker 12: or activator they call it, and that'll assist with the

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Speaker 12: development and university ideas to potentially form part of a

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Speaker 12: space mission in the future. It sounds like fantasy.

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Speaker 2: Get Judas up to the moon, you know, whenever she

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Speaker 2: wants to go, whenever she's ready to go, whenever ready

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Speaker 2: to go. Let's make it happen.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, exactly. We could send Ruth Richardson and Nikola what's

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Speaker 12: up there?

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Speaker 2: They'd debate there, we'd have there's no debt, no debt

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Speaker 2: in space. Berry Verry Sofa with Politics eight to five

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Speaker 2: News Talks, the bet.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 14: Primary Principles payoffer has been rejected. Robin Brown is the

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Speaker 14: principle of Birrtuville School and a member of the NZDI

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Speaker 14: negotiating team. You've been offered up to twenty one thousand

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Speaker 14: dollars plus four point six percent, but you still want

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Speaker 14: another fifteen on top of that.

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Speaker 7: What we want is recognition for the unsustainable workload and

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Speaker 7: curriculum upheable.

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Speaker 14: If they say to you we give you fifteen thousand dollars,

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Speaker 14: we will take the offer.

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Speaker 15: We will take that offer out to our principles and

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Speaker 15: see whether they would take that off.

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Speaker 14: Robin, that's a lot of money. You guys are basically

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Speaker 14: asking for an increase of thirty six thousand dollars plus

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Speaker 14: four point six percent. No one else gets that kind

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Speaker 14: of money.

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Speaker 1: Hither Duper Clan on the Mic Asking Breakfast back Monday

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Speaker 1: from six am with a Vida Retirement, Communities on News

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Speaker 1: Talks d B four.

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Speaker 2: To five News Talks. They'd be great to have your

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Speaker 2: company this Friday afternoon. Now. Portion sizes is the reason

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Speaker 2: that we're all getting so obese. And I don't mean

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Speaker 2: if you are obese. I'm not being trying to be offensive.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying as a as a species, we are

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Speaker 2: getting bigger. So apparently this is all to do with

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Speaker 2: our portion sizes. This is a study in the Lancet today,

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Speaker 2: and that all of the portion sizes are calibrated towards

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Speaker 2: an adult male. They say smaller options should be available

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Speaker 2: for women, children, and shorter people. Now this fascinates me

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Speaker 2: because in my life, the women in my life do

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Speaker 2: generally eat a bit less than the men. That's a

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Speaker 2: general sweeping statement. I do have friends, female friends who

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Speaker 2: eat as much as I do, or more than I do,

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Speaker 2: even But the question you have to ask yourself is

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Speaker 2: is the obesity thing only affecting women, children, and short people. No,

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Speaker 2: the obesity thing is affecting all of us, isn't it,

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Speaker 2: regardless of your heightle size. I don't think this has

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Speaker 2: got anything to do with the portion size. It's what's

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Speaker 2: on the plate. It's the food that It's the sugar

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Speaker 2: and the fat and the carbs and the lack of protein.

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Speaker 2: In my mind anyway, But a nutritionist will debate this.

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Speaker 2: After news we'll also talk to Van Valden about the

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Speaker 2: minimum wage. All Ahead News Talks B.

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Speaker 16: You know.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can truck it to ask

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Speaker 1: the questions, can get the answers, find the facts and

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Speaker 1: give the analysis. Ryan Bridge on hither Duplicy Ellen Drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand and the power of satellite Mobile

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Speaker 2: B seven after five grade to have your company this

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Speaker 2: evening at former Glory of our leader. Howard Temple's going

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Speaker 2: to jail, or maybe he won't. He's been sentenced to

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Speaker 2: twenty six months in prison for sexual offending today. He

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Speaker 2: immediately appeals the sentence and was allowed out on bail.

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Speaker 2: He had indecently assaulted young women and girls over a

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Speaker 2: twenty year period at Gloria Vale, as recently as twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two. It comes as newly released OA documents. So

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Speaker 2: just how explicitly the government has been warning alarm bells

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Speaker 2: to its agencies that Gloria Vale is not a safe

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Speaker 2: place for women and girls. Dennis Gates is a lawyer

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Speaker 2: who has previously represented Gloriavale Levers and is with me

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Speaker 2: this evening. Dennis, Good evening, Hi, what do you make

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Speaker 2: of that sentence?

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Speaker 16: First of all, well, I think it's far too late.

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Speaker 16: You mentioned the timeframe of twenty years. This fellow has

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Speaker 16: been one of the founding members of Gloria Vale. He

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Speaker 16: set it up. You helped construct the legal architecture, of

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Speaker 16: the social architecture, of the faith architecture, and he's taken

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Speaker 16: advantage of that for fifty years at the cost of

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Speaker 16: the woman and children of Glorybale and his way too light.

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Speaker 2: He and his lawyers clearly think it's too long.

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Speaker 16: I have no doubt they think that's the case. You've

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Speaker 16: got to remember this was a representative admission by how

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Speaker 16: A Temple that he had abused these people, and to

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Speaker 16: my own knowledge, there are a lot a lot more

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Speaker 16: women and children that suffered at his hands. We've discussed

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Speaker 16: it throughout the court cases that I've been involved in.

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Speaker 2: He's eighty five. What's the deal with being released early

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Speaker 2: a few you know on health grounds? What happens there?

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Speaker 16: I think that's done on an individual case. It's not

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Speaker 16: something that's unfamiliar with.

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Speaker 2: The OAA documents that you have show what exactly.

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Speaker 16: All. They show a pattern and a knowledge within the

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Speaker 16: government agencies of history and an entrench culture of sexual abuse,

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Speaker 16: mental abuse, health abuse, the children are educated by abused

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Speaker 16: by not being properly educated. The whole thing is rife

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Speaker 16: with abuse. They report that to the ministers, and this

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Speaker 16: is being done over decades. Nothing happens. All the politicians

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Speaker 16: do is posture and puff, say they're going to do

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Speaker 16: various things, and at the end of the day they

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Speaker 16: do nothing.

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Speaker 2: Is that because it's too hard to do something? And

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Speaker 2: what do you actually do? You know, people say shut

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Speaker 2: it down? What are you shut down? Like the school?

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Speaker 2: I can understand the ministry having an involvement in, but

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Speaker 2: how do you actually shut down a community of people.

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Speaker 16: Well, a lot of parallels are drawn with domestic violence,

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Speaker 16: and what you basically have here is institutionalized domestic violence

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Speaker 16: on a macro scale. And the government has the power

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Speaker 16: the resources to go in and take those children and

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Speaker 16: out by force if necessary. If the parents want to

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Speaker 16: come with them, fine, but they can't just sit back

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Speaker 16: and allow these people and children to be abused year

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Speaker 16: after years at the cost of the health insanity of

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Speaker 16: those inside. It's ridiculous, it's outrageous. If this was a gang,

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Speaker 16: they would have been shut down decades ago.

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Speaker 2: Dennis, appreciate your time tonight. Dennis Gates Lawyer previously represented

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Speaker 2: Glory of Our Levers. It is ten after five Brian

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Speaker 2: Bridge Midiman wages going up to twenty three dollars ninety

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Speaker 2: five an hour. This is from April. That's a two

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Speaker 2: percent increase. Annual inflation in the year to September was

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Speaker 2: three percent. Labor Party says, this is Peddley. It is

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Speaker 2: a in real terms pay cut. Brook van Walden is

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Speaker 2: the Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety with me tonight, Brook,

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Speaker 2: good evening, Good evening, Ryan. Why two percent? You went

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Speaker 2: with one and a half last year? Why two this year?

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Speaker 17: Well, we've gone with two percent because I think it

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Speaker 17: is a real balancing between the cost of living pressure

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Speaker 17: that some people are rightly facing and also the additional

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Speaker 17: cost to businesses when we know businesses have been struggling

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Speaker 17: for the last few years and unfortunately the economic recovery

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Speaker 17: that we hope would happen really quickly has taken a

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Speaker 17: little bit longer to get moving. And so, you know,

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Speaker 17: one of the things I was really concerned about this

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Speaker 17: year was youth unemployment. And you know, if we want

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Speaker 17: more young people to be able to get those jobs,

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Speaker 17: and we know young people are disproportionately paid the minimum wage.

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Speaker 17: If that's set too high, then they're also more exposed

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Speaker 17: to employers responding to that by reducing hours or not

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Speaker 17: hiring any new people. So when we've got youth unemployment

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Speaker 17: at around fifteen percent, I want more young people in

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Speaker 17: those really early on career jobs. And if we get

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Speaker 17: this balancing act right, I think next year will be

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Speaker 17: a really good year.

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Speaker 16: But I think the.

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Speaker 17: Other thing that's kind of missing here is I'm setting

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Speaker 17: it for April next year. Treasury and the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 17: are expecting inflation around two percent next year, so this

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Speaker 17: is in line.

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Speaker 2: I agree that the whole labor line about inflation. The

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Speaker 2: dates don't match up. That's fine, let's put that to

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Speaker 2: one side. Did you get any advice on two percent?

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Speaker 2: How many jobs would not be created as a result

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Speaker 2: of you increasing that?

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Speaker 17: So the advice that I had from MB was to

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Speaker 17: go with a two percent increase, which is, you know,

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Speaker 17: me following their advice. They didn't necessarily have too much

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Speaker 17: concern with two percent on the use unemployment rate or

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Speaker 17: unemployment rates they normal, But the overall advice was if

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Speaker 17: it's set too high, the effect is that there are

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Speaker 17: labor markets, cones, and.

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Speaker 2: In my experience, Minister, having covered these for many years now,

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Speaker 2: they do give you a specific number. At this level,

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Speaker 2: you risk so many jobs X y Z not being created.

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Speaker 2: Did they not provide you that level of detail this

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Speaker 2: time round?

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Speaker 17: Look, I'm sure those specific numbers are somewhere, but they

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Speaker 17: weren't anywhere that was leading to any great concern for me.

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Speaker 17: So I've parked that to one side. So the main

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Speaker 17: concern from me here is that we know that businesses

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Speaker 17: have been struggling. You know, GDP has not taken off

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Speaker 17: as quickly as we wanted it to be. I do

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Speaker 17: have hope for next year, but if we have businesses

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Speaker 17: who are seeing increased costs themselves, they.

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Speaker 2: May not crematic approach. Yeah, but they may not create jobs.

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Speaker 16: Right.

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Speaker 2: That's the risk when you put in the minimum wage

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Speaker 2: up is that jobs aren't created, but you're not across

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Speaker 2: how many might not be. Let's park that for a

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Speaker 2: second and go to the other side of the coin.

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Speaker 2: Jan Tinetti says, this is piddly and pathetic.

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Speaker 17: Oh, it's just not true. I mean for people who

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Speaker 17: are the most affected here, it's mostly young people who

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Speaker 17: are on the minimum wage. They'll be seeing an increase

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Speaker 17: in line with what the Reserve Bank and Treasury expect

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Speaker 17: as forecast inflation. But we also have to be very

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Speaker 17: aware that we are in difficult economic times. You know

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Speaker 17: a lot of people across the board are not seeing

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Speaker 17: increases or large increases to their pay. What we're wanting

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Speaker 17: to ensure is that we have a growing business confidence

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Speaker 17: so that businesses know that they can go on and

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Speaker 17: create more jobs into the future. That's where my expectation

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Speaker 17: lies that next year will be a good year with

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Speaker 17: more job opportunities.

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Speaker 2: Minister, appreciate your time. Thank you, Brook van Velden, Minister

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Speaker 2: of Workplace Relations and Safety, putting them in the in

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Speaker 2: wage up today two percent quarter past five and Bridge

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Speaker 2: now loads of texts on portions and I'm glad that

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Speaker 2: you're interested in this because we're going to talk to

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Speaker 2: a nutritionist about it next. So the Lancet has this

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Speaker 2: new study out, a new study every day that tells

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Speaker 2: you something either useless or that you already knew anyway.

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Speaker 2: This is one of those. So they say that it's

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Speaker 2: a portion size the reason we're all getting so fat,

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Speaker 2: and that the portion sizes are basically prejudiced because they

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Speaker 2: are based on a male, an adult male. And so

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Speaker 2: if you're a woman, or if you're a child, if

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Speaker 2: you're a short person, and I'm looking at you guys

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Speaker 2: out there in the control room, if you're a short person,

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Speaker 2: then you are eating too much. And it's not your fault.

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Speaker 2: It's what you're being served when you go to a restaurant.

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Speaker 2: So if we just changed the portion sizes, all our

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Speaker 2: problems would magically go away. I think it's nonsense. This

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Speaker 2: person disagrees.

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Speaker 18: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: In America, the average amount of food eaten by a

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Speaker 2: person in nineteen seventy was seventeen hundred pounds. In the

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Speaker 2: year two thousand, it was twenty three hundred pounds. It's

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Speaker 2: all about portion size and the amount that we eat.

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Speaker 2: This was I saw in a National Geographic article. I

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Speaker 2: think it's that's that's the small issue. That is the

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Speaker 2: that's the woman's size plate of issues. The bigger problem here,

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Speaker 2: the main meal is what you're putting in your mouth.

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Speaker 2: It's carbs and it's sugar, and it's bad stuff. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to a nutritionist see what they think next.

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Speaker 2: Five nineteen news talks that be women, children, and shorter

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Speaker 2: people should be offered smaller portions than the average meal size.

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Speaker 2: This is an advisor to the UK government. This is

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Speaker 2: what they think. Professor Navid Satar says portion size is

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Speaker 2: partly to blame for our obesity crisis. He wants food

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Speaker 2: outlets to offer two different portion sizes to people to

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Speaker 2: account for adult males and then smaller people. So presumably

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Speaker 2: you're putting short people, children and women all into one camp.

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Speaker 2: Nutritionist Mickey Willarden is with me and let's discuss Mickey,

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Speaker 2: good evening, Hey Ryan, how are you good? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Is how much of a you know, in terms of

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Speaker 2: the big obesity problem, how much of a contributor is

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Speaker 2: portion size?

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Speaker 15: Well, I mean, I guess if we're thinking about restaurants,

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Speaker 15: people eat out maybe one to three times a week,

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Speaker 15: so in terms of the number of meals, not that much.

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Speaker 15: But the modern food environment where food is available everywhere

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Speaker 15: and the portion sizes are pretty like big competitor, you know,

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Speaker 15: when we were I don't know, kids, I think it

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Speaker 15: is actually a big contributor.

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Speaker 2: Right, more so than what's on the plate. It's how

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Speaker 2: big the plate is.

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Speaker 15: Well, what's on the plate obviously contributes to because many

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Speaker 15: of the foods that are sort of higher or sorry,

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Speaker 15: bigger portion sizes are also hyperpalatable, which just means that

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Speaker 15: our brains are going to sort of be queued into

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Speaker 15: eating more than we need because of the way that

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Speaker 15: they're processed. So it's definitely both.

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Speaker 2: And in terms of portion sizes, is it true that

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Speaker 2: women eat less than men? Like, have we done studies

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Speaker 2: and confirmed that or is it just that because they're,

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Speaker 2: you know, on the whole a little smaller than men

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Speaker 2: that they we think they will.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I think it's probably both. Actually, Ryan like women

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Speaker 15: carry less muscle mass there and this is all generalzation obviously,

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Speaker 15: but generally speaking, men have more muscle mass, their metabolloic

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Speaker 15: rates are higher, they do require more energy. But of course,

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Speaker 15: I mean that's very generalized because each individual is different.

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Speaker 15: But I think on a population basis, it's a pretty

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Speaker 15: safe assumption, though I will say I wouldn't necessarily sort

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Speaker 15: of base it on sex.

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Speaker 16: For example.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about this idea of a portion's a different

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Speaker 2: portion size at a restaurant, Like, it doesn't make much

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Speaker 2: sense to me because when you go out, you're normally

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Speaker 2: going out because you're going to have a nice meal,

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter whether you're a man or a woman,

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Speaker 2: you're you know, you're finishing that plate, you know. So

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Speaker 2: is it really a good idea?

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Speaker 15: Well, I guess it depends on where you eat at, right,

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Speaker 15: because there are some restaurants where it's not about the

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Speaker 15: portion size, it's about the food, it's about the ambience,

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Speaker 15: the environment. I believe that the professor was sort of

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Speaker 15: just talking about meals outside the home, which does sort

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Speaker 15: of encompass you know, snack bars and foods and things

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Speaker 15: like that. And I do think actually offering smaller portions

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Speaker 15: isn't a bad idea. I mean, no one's going to

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Speaker 15: be missing out. I mean, I think to say that

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Speaker 15: it's a male versus female thing, I don't necessarily think

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Speaker 15: that's the thing to focus on, but I do think

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Speaker 15: offering smaller portion sizes isn't a bad option.

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Speaker 2: Mickey Willard and Nutrition has appreciate your time. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: being on the program. Five twenty two News talks the.

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Speaker 4: Big, digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on Hither, duplessy el and dry with

870
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Speaker 1: one New Zealand coverage Like no one else.

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Speaker 4: News talks the B.

872
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Speaker 2: Five twenty five, so they reckon NDTA that a multi

873
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Speaker 2: car crash on an Auckland motorway will cost between one

874
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: point four and three and a half million dollars. This

875
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: is just in delays to the network. You know, we're

876
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Speaker 2: all waiting someone crashes, We're all waiting in traffic. The

877
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Speaker 2: goods that are in the trucks around us, they can't

878
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Speaker 2: get delivered. So there's a cost to all of this.

879
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Speaker 2: They used to make. Two hundred million dollars a year

880
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: is what we would save if nobody crashed on the

881
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 2: motorway that's in Auckland alone. Apparently, now there's a bunch

882
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: of academics out there who are arguing this means that

883
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Speaker 2: we should lower the speed limits, we should all drive slower.

884
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Speaker 2: And remember we've kind of done the opposite. So they

885
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: are arguing here that we got it wrong by increasing

886
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Speaker 2: the speeds and we should take this cost into account.

887
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: Except the debate was never really Now I don't know

888
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 2: about you, but I never really heard the debate being

889
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: about motorway speeds. Was that it was more about rural

890
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: and suburban roads. That's what my understanding of it was. Also,

891
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Speaker 2: if you have been on a motorway and witnessed a

892
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Speaker 2: crash before you will know that they happen no matter

893
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Speaker 2: what the speed is. In fact, loads of them happen

894
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: when there's traffic crawling along because people were just busy texting,

895
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: not actually driving their cars. So let's say tomorrow that

896
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Speaker 2: we increased the speed limit by ten k, so one

897
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Speaker 2: hundred and ten k on a motorway for example, would

898
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Speaker 2: we see more crashes? Yeah, maybe a few, I'm probably.

899
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'd probably see existing crashes, crashes that we're

900
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Speaker 2: going to happen anyway, get a little bit more gnarly maybe,

901
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: But does this sound to you like a good enough

902
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: reason to lower speed limits? No, I don't think so.

903
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: I don't think it passes the sniff test. It all

904
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: smells a bit wingy mingy to me. From the Ryan

905
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Speaker 2: Bridge twenty six minutes after five Now loads of texts

906
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Speaker 2: coming in on the size of your plate when you

907
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Speaker 2: go out for dinner. We'll get some of those after

908
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: our new sport weather. Also, we have an update on

909
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 2: the debate to do with Winston Peters. This is Ruth

910
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: Richardson Nicola Willis Winston Peters. Barry's gotten self involved and

911
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: apparently Nikola has agreed to let Winston Peters moderate it.

912
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Speaker 2: So it's now sounding very interesting. It's up to you now, taxpayers.

913
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: Union ball is in your court. What do you want

914
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Speaker 2: to do? Hopefully we'll get a response after this News Talk.

915
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: ZB today's newsmakers talk to Ryan First, Ryan Bridge on

916
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Speaker 1: Hither Dupi c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and

917
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Speaker 1: the Power of Calaide Mobile News Talks d B.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five away from six or on news Talk, said B.

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00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: We will get to James Meagher, who's Associate Transport Minister

920
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: after six on the story about the cement. If it

921
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Speaker 2: doesn't go by sea, does it go by row? Does

922
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: that mean the roads get clogged? You know? Does it

923
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 2: rip the roads up? What about the workers who are

924
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 2: on the ships that should be taking this stuff. We'll

925
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: talk about all of that after six this evening. Right now,

926
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Speaker 2: though retailers are smiling today, this is after finally we

927
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Speaker 2: are seeing people part with some of their hard earned cash.

928
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Speaker 2: For November, retail card spending up one point six percent

929
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: for the month compared to the previous year, setting a

930
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Speaker 2: positive tone ahead of Christmas. Nick Touughley is asb's chief

931
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Speaker 2: economist with me Nick Good evening evening, So we're finally

932
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Speaker 2: feeling a bit better. We're finally going out and spending stuff.

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Speaker 19: Yes, we are. We look like we had a pretty

934
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Speaker 19: good time and have been spending up of it on

935
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Speaker 19: the durablels. So those green shoots starting to flourish a

936
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Speaker 19: bit more.

937
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Speaker 2: Are we just spending more because things are more expensive,

938
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Speaker 2: or are we actually buying more stuff?

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Speaker 19: Well, it does look like we are buying more stuff.

940
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Speaker 19: We did see in the third quarter that the retail

941
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Speaker 19: sales volumes as well as the values were up quite strongly,

942
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Speaker 19: so nearly two percent over the quarter.

943
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Speaker 18: So it looks.

944
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Speaker 19: Again like this will be a lift in both the

945
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Speaker 19: volume and the value of what we're spending, so not

946
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Speaker 19: just about prices. It doesn't like we're buying more stuff.

947
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Speaker 2: Great, What about we're getting a GDP number next week,

948
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Speaker 2: of course, for quarter three, which is backwards looking for September.

949
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: But you're expecting it to be better than what you

950
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Speaker 2: originally thought, are you.

951
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 19: Yes, we're expecting point eight percent now, so not too

952
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 19: long ago. We're expecting point five, in point six, in

953
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 19: point seven now point eight, and the manufacturing survey that

954
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Speaker 19: was out today suggested that Q four is going to

955
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Speaker 19: be pretty good, So at the moment, we're forecasting presently

956
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 19: one percent for that quarter. So it doesn't like the

957
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 19: second half of the year has seen quite.

958
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: A bit of a rebound and also the first half.

959
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: I keep going on about this because it kind of

960
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: annoyed me. And this is the problem with the data

961
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Speaker 2: is it's never accurate on the day it comes out, right.

962
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: But do you think we will revise down? They will

963
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: revise down next week the very bad number we got

964
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: for quarter two.

965
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 19: Look, it's very possible that that point nine per cent

966
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Speaker 19: contraction gets revised to something a bit smaller. But you've

967
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 19: also got to be very mindful though that when we

968
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 19: with this December release, we get a lot of annual

969
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 19: revisions coming through, so we could see some revisions going

970
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 19: back quite some time. But look, it would be a

971
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 19: good Christmas present if we see that big contraction in

972
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 19: the second quarter get revised to something a bit smaller

973
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Speaker 19: than what it was.

974
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Speaker 2: Next year, they reckon, we're going to grow faster than Australia,

975
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: We're going to go faster than the Americans, are going

976
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Speaker 2: to go faster than the British. And the year after

977
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: that too, do you well, we do.

978
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 19: Have over two and a half percent growth predicted for

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00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 19: next year and some things we're not too bad the

980
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 19: year after that, so look at it is possible. I

981
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 19: think one thing we've got to bear in mind before

982
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 19: we pat ourselves on the back too much, is that

983
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 19: we've come from one of the weaker economies recently, so

984
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 19: we're sort of getting back and growing above trend because

985
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 19: we've been in a bit a bit of a rut.

986
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Speaker 19: Whereas other countries, you know, slightly different circumstances. Australia's held

987
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 19: up much better than we have over the last couple

988
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 19: of years. If anything. That's still grappling with high inflation

989
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 19: in the US has been sort of strangling itself a

990
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 19: little bit with tariffs for example.

991
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 2: In fascinating stuff, we'll look forward to next week's number.

992
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 2: Nick Tuffley asb it's twenty two away from six.

993
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Speaker 14: Goes after it as Williamson again, there's just three runs

996
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 14: needed to victory. Who lives and wanted to take it

997
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 14: on get the job done.

998
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 16: I think the button is a bit of a concern

999
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 16: after coming from that Test match, having a beautiful SACA

1000
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 16: and sootope you can here and buts nuther capitals any conditions.

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00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: For the way.

1002
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 4: I think the way the guy's ball today was awesome.

1003
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: Zori was play brilliant, folks.

1004
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 3: He did this thing and Daryl chipped into so I

1005
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: thought it was just a great inerformance and got the

1006
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: job done right.

1007
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: It's Friday's time for the sport Huddle. Elliott Smith News

1008
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: Talks Thereb's Voice of Rugby. Hey, Elliott, Afternoon afternoon. Jim

1009
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: Case is here to freelance journalists.

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00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 18: Good to have you on, Jim, Oh, nice to chat

1011
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 18: to you two fellas.

1012
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: Now, black Caps have wrapped this up in three days,

1013
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 2: which is fantastic. But what the Tom Blundell question now

1014
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: is kind of emerging. You know, I'll come back for

1015
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: a third Test, but should Mitch Hay now that he's

1016
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: been doing so well and given a chance. Well, what

1017
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 2: do we do here, Jim?

1018
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 16: We'll quick to.

1019
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 18: Drop people, aren't we. You know, the guy's been injured.

1020
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 18: Not many not many injured players get dropped while they've

1021
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 18: been out injured, So I'd be very surprised if he

1022
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 18: if he wasn't brought back when he split again, and

1023
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 18: I think I think it might have Darren Mitchell, who

1024
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 18: said pretty much that in one of his interviews as well.

1025
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 18: You know Blunda, Yes, his batting's gone down a little bit,

1026
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 18: but he's still a fine wicket keeper and I'd be

1027
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 18: very surprised if fig.

1028
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 16: Old of him.

1029
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 18: And look, let's look at in a different perspective. Isn't

1030
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 18: it great to have some depth. I mean it's been

1031
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 18: shown with the bowlers and all of them getting injured

1032
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 18: that you need to have some depth and this is

1033
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 18: just proving that there's a little bit of depth in

1034
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 18: the wicket keeper. So yeah, I don't expect to see

1035
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 18: any change there.

1036
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 20: Yeah, I think Mitchay's time will come. Look, there's one

1037
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 20: more test to go. If blundles fit for that, I

1038
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 20: think he comes back in. You know, Blundle is as

1039
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 20: Jim Alluded, who have been probably his average and been

1040
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 20: on a downwards trajectory. But I think you give the

1041
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 20: guy the benefit of the doubt. To the all blacks

1042
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 20: who long had the man tree, you don't lose a

1043
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 20: spot just because you're injured. I think that applies here

1044
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 20: as well. In one set tested in the books next week,

1045
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 20: the third Test against the Windy's is a big gap

1046
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 20: until the next test and then they can make some

1047
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 20: decisions after that. But I think for a quick turnaround

1048
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 20: next test of Blundle's fit for me, he comes back.

1049
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, totally understand. People say it all the

1050
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: time when I fell in for heather or husking, they

1051
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: there's always time. Hey, just while we're on cricket for

1052
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: a second, Mitchell Stantna going and doing the chasing the

1053
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: fox thing, even though he's injured from it just looks

1054
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, Jim, what does the hat? Does it

1055
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: look to you? It looks a little odd to you.

1056
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 18: Yeah, Look the optics are, aren't they. He has been

1057
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 18: cleared by the by the black Caps to go and

1058
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 18: play golf. Perhaps golf it's only six holes. That's not

1059
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 18: going to test his groin or or re injure his

1060
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 18: growing in the way that perhaps a cricket game could have.

1061
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 18: But still it just looks weird, doesn't it, that you're

1062
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 18: not fit to play for your country and a cricket test,

1063
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 18: but you can't play in a in a well it's

1064
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 18: not fun, but in a you know, in a golf tournament.

1065
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 18: So it might be all above board, I'm sure it

1066
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 18: is all above board. I'm sure he's had all the

1067
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 18: clearances and those sorts of things. But I think optically

1068
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 18: I agree with you Ryan, you go doesn't really look right.

1069
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 20: No, it doesn't. This is symptomatic of New Zealand cricket.

1070
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 20: There's no leadership. I mean, the optics. I think it's terrible.

1071
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 20: You know, yes, he can say that he can both

1072
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 20: place enough play six holes, but chief as you hope

1073
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 20: he doesn't overdo it from the t box and you know,

1074
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 20: you know, injure himself further, if he's not trying to

1075
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 20: protect the groin during say that he overcompensates in a

1076
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 20: different area with his swing. I don't know, but to me,

1077
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 20: I think it's it's ridiculous that he's doing it. Looks

1078
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 20: chasing the fox is a great event, but besides playing

1079
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 20: test cricket, you've been ruled out of that. Surely you've

1080
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 20: basically just hunker down like a hermit for a few days,

1081
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Speaker 20: don't do any physical activity.

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Speaker 2: Just I picture them lying down or doing rehab, you know,

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Speaker 2: when someone's engine The lots more to come. Allen Smith

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Speaker 2: and Jim Kay's on Sport Huddle tonight News Talk ZMB.

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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports title with New Zealand South of His

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00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: his international realty, the only truly global brand.

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Speaker 2: Alliot Smith and Jim Kay's on the sport Haddle Tonight,

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Speaker 2: Jason Holland Elliott So does the All Blacks not like

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Speaker 2: Jason Holland. Does Jason Holland not like the All Blacks?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 20: Look, I think he probably decided there was time to

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Speaker 20: go from the All Blacks. And Look, not many people

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00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 20: would leave that All Blacks coaching environment voluntarily. But we've

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Speaker 20: now had Leo McDonald do it last year, We've had

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Speaker 20: Jason Holland do it this year, two years into Scott

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Speaker 20: Robertson's reign. And I think if you're Jason Holland, you

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00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 20: know you're probably you know a little bit constricted about

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Speaker 20: how much, say, you're having in the game plan. You're

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Speaker 20: probably been squeezed out a little bit from, you know,

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Speaker 20: really the role that maybe you thought you were going

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Speaker 20: to be. And he's taking a step back, and look,

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Speaker 20: it's a lot of traveling. But Jason Holland quit, didn't

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Speaker 20: have a job lined up, and now he's ended back

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Speaker 20: at the Hurricanes, which is essentially where he first started.

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Speaker 20: So I think there has to be some questions around

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00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 20: that All Blacks coaching environment. Obviously the reviewer is going

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Speaker 20: on in the off season as well. I think there

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00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 20: needs to be some change, whether it's around the division

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Speaker 20: of labor or the personnel in that coaching lineup, because

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Speaker 20: you know, Jason Hollan's to volunteer and basically go back

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00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 20: to below where he started before you got the job instead.

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Speaker 20: On the surface of it, very very bizarre.

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Speaker 2: Jim, are there two what's going wrong here?

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00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 17: Like?

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00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: Are there too many chefs in the kitchen? Or is

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00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 2: it the personalities? What's what's wrong?

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00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 18: I think it's hard to really put point that from

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00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 18: a distance, but there certainly are a lot of coaches.

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00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 18: We were talking earlier about optics. I mean, from an

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Speaker 18: optics perspective, it probably doesn't get any worse than a

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Speaker 18: coach walking out of the All Blacks, as Elliott said,

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Speaker 18: with no job to go to. So you know that

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Speaker 18: that suggests that there are significant issues within that environment,

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00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 18: and you know Elliott will be hearing all of this

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00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 18: as well. You just get more and more that there's disquiet,

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00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 18: that there's they're not a happy camp, that they don't

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00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 18: all get on and they're not all happy with the

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Speaker 18: coach and all of those sorts of things. Maybe some

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Speaker 18: of that will come out in this review. But when

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Speaker 18: you have a coach walk out with no job to

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00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 18: go to and then take up a job that is

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00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 18: actually a step down the letter from what he had

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Speaker 18: when he was last at the Hurricanes he was the

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Speaker 18: head coach and now assistant coach man that for me,

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00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 18: that is screaming from the rooftops.

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Speaker 2: Scott Weening is on leave. Speaking of screaming from the

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00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: rooftops summer holiday, apparently the excuse didn't really wash with me.

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Speaker 2: How did you feel about when you saw that, Elliott.

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00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 20: Well, you didn't watch with me either. This is the

1140
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 20: only test series of the summer and the boss has

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00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 20: gone on leave. Now I appreciate. I think you said

1142
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 20: what school holiday leave? Well, I think the school heart

1143
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 20: has just started and they go through right to the

1144
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 20: back end of January from memory, so there's plenty of

1145
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 20: time to do that. This is at a critical point

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00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 20: for New Zealand cricket. Look, I did test the waters

1147
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 20: on this earlier in the weekend. Did get an out

1148
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 20: of office email from Scott Weening, so he is out

1149
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 20: of office. He set me back on December nineteenth, so

1150
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 20: I guess that's the acid test, whether he gets back

1151
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 20: in the chair and has the feet under the desk

1152
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 20: on that day. But to me, it just looks really poor.

1153
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 20: You know, this NZ twenty thing is overtaking New Zealand cricket.

1154
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 20: You know, there are various factions debating whether it's a

1155
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 20: good thing for the sport or not. But he he

1156
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 20: is under pressure and you know, to have them on

1157
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 20: leave at a critical junction for the game, I don't

1158
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 20: think is a particularly a good look. And it just

1159
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 20: serves to the rumors and the skull scuttle up that

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01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 20: you know he won't be back in the job permanently.

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Speaker 20: There's all been all sorts of rumors going on in

1162
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 20: the world's last few weeks. I've had a phone call

1163
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 20: saying is he's gone and various other things. So you know,

1164
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 20: we're in that Christmas twilight zone, really, aren't we? From

1165
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 20: next week or the week after where you send out

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01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 20: a media release and it probably doesn't get the scrutiny

1167
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 20: that it would any at the time of the year.

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01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 20: So watch the space, I suppose.

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Speaker 18: Jim. Oh, look, I agree, and you know I think

1170
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 18: of other CEOs, David White from cricket, Steve Chew from rugby,

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01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 18: those sorts of people, they were never absent when when

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01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 18: things were happening, you know, they were always there. Look

1173
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 18: at Jenny Wiley who disappeared when when Dame Nolean got

1174
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 18: the temporary sack. You know, like you've just got to

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 18: ask questions about some of these people and the and

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01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 18: the roles that they're in and whether they're up to it.

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01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 18: Clearly that there's a great amount of concern that he's

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01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 18: he's just not up to it. Yeah that I like

1179
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 18: Richard Bock, he's a good man, but that he's on

1180
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 18: summer holidays or whatever the line was, that was paper thin.

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01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 18: That was wafathin. I think there's a there's a lot

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01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 18: of issues at New Zealand Cricket and the CEO could

1183
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 18: be seen as a way to fix some of those issues.

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01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 18: Shacking him on me.

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01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's always a like with a nipple, same situation

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01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 2: you're going to someone's going to be sacked, being able

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01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: to sort something out with it's it's just it's sports boards.

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01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: There's just problems, yeah, aren't there.

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Hey, FIFA is over.

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01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 11: Oh please yeah, can.

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01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 18: We talk about FIFA and the and the right.

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01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, Now I think.

1194
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 18: Because I've done something, I've done it. I've done a

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01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 18: little bit of homework.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, all right, you start with your home.

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01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 18: Well no, it's not really homework, it's not really homed right,

1198
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 18: but you're like this, it's a bit, it's a little

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Speaker 18: bit of a mic drop. But now, for Mandela said,

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01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 18: sport has the power to change the world. It has

1201
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 18: the power to inspire, It has the power to unite

1202
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 18: people in the way that little house does. And I

1203
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 18: would suggest that these clowns who don't want to play

1204
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 18: a game of football because there's there's gay pride festivities

1205
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 18: going on at the same time, should be told to

1206
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 18: go jump in a lake somewhere. Just just find two

1207
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 18: other teams that want to play. You don't need them.

1208
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 18: It's disgusting, disgraceful, it's so out of touch with where

1209
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 18: we should be as humanity. And you know, football doesn't

1210
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 18: normally find me out. But I look at that and

1211
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 18: just think you are just.

1212
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Speaker 2: I completely agree with you. But however, this is not

1213
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: going to change the fact that homosexuality is illegal in

1214
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: these countries.

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Speaker 18: So we pandering to them neither wo pandering to them.

1216
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 18: That's not going to change it either. So you've got

1217
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 18: to draw a line in the in the proverbial sand

1218
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 18: and the literal sand sometimes and just say, Okay, you

1219
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 18: can have your archaic beliefs, but you're not going to

1220
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 18: influence what we do as a sporting organization.

1221
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so why but then okay, if you do that,

1222
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: then why let them play at all? You know, if

1223
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: you're going to be that hard line, you know what

1224
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: I'm saying. My thing is, Elliott, is this because I

1225
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: do think that you need to do something, But I

1226
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: think it should be like a respect round where it's

1227
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 2: about respecting no matter whether you're a different gender or religion,

1228
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 2: or sexuality or whatever, whatever difference is, that we should

1229
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: all be respectful of each other's differences and therefore no

1230
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 2: one gets offended. But also everyone gets the message.

1231
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 20: Yeah, I don't mind that at all. I think that's

1232
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 20: a good way to go about it. Look, fetas stuck

1233
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 20: between obviously something in rocket of hard plays. They're not

1234
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 20: that they take this World Cup to Tata with human

1235
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 20: rights nichords. Last time they've taken them to Russia, They've

1236
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 20: taken to the USA. You know, and then for them

1237
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 20: to go and say, let's hold a pride match, Well,

1238
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 20: you know, look at what you've done for the last

1239
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 20: couple of World Cup cycles and where you've taken it to.

1240
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 20: So for me, look, look, the answer is simple. You know,

1241
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 20: Egypt Iran. Let's get the winner of the inaugural FIFA

1242
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 20: Peace Prize last week, Donald Trump. Get them around the table.

1243
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 20: If he comes and out, then no one can.

1244
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 18: What about that, it's brilliant, Jim.

1245
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 2: What about the ticket price?

1246
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 18: Oh surprise, we go on, go on, FIFA, the IOC,

1247
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 18: World Rugby. They gouge. They gouge like anybody's business, and

1248
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 18: nothing surprises me when it comes to ticket prices. And

1249
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 18: the only the thing that will go cap at handers

1250
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 18: were that is that every hotel, hotel in pub cavern

1251
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 18: within one hundred kilometers of any match will triple their

1252
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 18: prices as well. These things are just money making adventures

1253
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 18: and it does not surprise me that they put the

1254
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 18: price up by that at all.

1255
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 21: They do.

1256
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: Elliott and Jim, we have to leave it there. Thanks

1257
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: for being with me. Tonight is always Jim Case and

1258
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: Elliott Smith on the sports Huddle. It's about twelve thousand

1259
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: dollars by the way to follow your team through for

1260
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 2: about six or seven games. Very very pricey for football.

1261
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 2: Six to six News Talks EBB it's.

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01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: The Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 2: It is four minutes away from six on News TALKSB.

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01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: An update for you on the Muldy lunch debarcle out

1266
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Speaker 2: of Christ. So, the principal of the not a school,

1267
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 2: the community campus apparently has written a press release, drafted

1268
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: a press release. So they've done their internal review into

1269
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 2: what happened with the lunches and drafted a press release.

1270
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Speaker 2: Press release is ready to go. Just Peggy is Burrows

1271
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Speaker 2: is sitting there right now, finger on the mouse, waiting

1272
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Speaker 2: to click send. And the lawyers apparently are looking at

1273
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: it first the internal review, so they're gonna do what

1274
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: lawyers do and then maybe we will hear something this evening.

1275
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll have to wait till Monday. You wouldn't want

1276
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Speaker 2: to charge You wouldn't want a lawyer charging you over

1277
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 2: the weekend. Would you like a wounded bull thing for us,

1278
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Speaker 2: particularly for a school coming up to three minutes away

1279
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Speaker 2: from six. James Meager on the cement, the ships and

1280
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Speaker 2: the workers.

1281
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Speaker 8: Next What's up, what's down?

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Speaker 4: What were the major calls and how will it affect

1283
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Speaker 4: the economy?

1284
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:51,480
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Speaker 2: It is seven after six. We'll get to the UK before.

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01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: Top of the album also gets to Peter Lewis at

1289
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 2: Asia Business Correspondence and Barry Soper wraps the political week

1290
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Speaker 2: that was. We might even throw in a bit of

1291
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Speaker 2: show business for you right now. The country's largest cement

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Speaker 2: supplier says that we will soon have five hundred extra

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Speaker 2: heavy trucks on the roads every month, basically carting some

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Speaker 2: ent around. It was going by sea Holson, the name

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Speaker 2: of the business. They wanted to use a foreign flagged

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Speaker 2: vessel with foreign crew to operate for three years while

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Speaker 2: they sought a new vessel out because the old one

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Speaker 2: that they were using, the MV Buffalo, well that's basically sick.

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Speaker 2: It it's end of life stuff. The problem with all

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Speaker 2: of this is the minister has denied it. The Associate

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Speaker 2: Transport Minister, James Mega denied this request and the Minister

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Speaker 2: is with me now, Minister, good to have you on

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Speaker 2: the program tonight. What's the reason for doing this? I

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Speaker 2: understand Holson is now having to move everything on the road. Yeah.

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Speaker 22: Look, it's pretty tight criteria under the Maritime Act. Essentially,

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Speaker 22: you've got to be satisfied that there's no other ship

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Speaker 22: available to carry the coastal cargo. And yes, I was

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Speaker 22: satisfied of that there was no other ship available. But

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Speaker 22: then you've also got to be satisfied that what Nova

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Speaker 22: wanted to do meets the intent of the Act. And

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Speaker 22: the intent of the Act is actually to restrict coastal

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Speaker 22: shipping to basically New Zealand vessels unless you give that authorization,

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Speaker 22: and you tend to only give authorizations to carry things

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Speaker 22: for a very short or temporary period to make up

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Speaker 22: a bit of a gap. In this instance, it just

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Speaker 22: didn't meet that criteria.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I understand that. But you could change lor, couldn't you.

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Speaker 2: But you could make an exemption to it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: because they're basically saying they're going to have to put

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Speaker 2: five hundred trucks of cement a month on the roads,

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Speaker 2: and we know our roads aren't great, and that when

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Speaker 2: it comes time to go back to the coastal shipping

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Speaker 2: in three years. Well, actually they may not want to

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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, Look, I hear those arguments, and I know they've

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Speaker 22: made those arguments publicly, but they weren't part of what

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Speaker 22: I had to consider as part of the statute. The

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Speaker 22: statute's relatively narrow, and ministers can't go outside what's relevant

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Speaker 22: or not relevant when they're making that decision. So I

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Speaker 22: know there are lots of arguments around jobs and around

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Speaker 22: how you might have to shift the cement on the road,

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Speaker 22: but I had to make the decision based on the statute.

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Speaker 2: Fair. Fair. So now that you do know that information,

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Speaker 2: what are you going to do with it?

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Speaker 22: Well, there's no plans to amend the statute at this point.

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Speaker 22: You know, it's always possible that people can write to

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Speaker 22: me and make the case that amendment could be made,

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Speaker 22: But we've got to look at what the purpose of

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Speaker 22: the statute is. Coastal shipping in New Zealand is primarily

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Speaker 22: a domestic activity. We do have international shipping companies coming

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Speaker 22: here bringing cargo from overseas in but we tend to

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Speaker 22: have coastal shipping to be something that is done by

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Speaker 22: New Zealand ships or with New Zealand based crews, and

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Speaker 22: that's been the case for quite a long time. It'd

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Speaker 22: be quite a big change to open that up to

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Speaker 22: international vessels operating under international law, which has different work

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Speaker 22: laws and pay laws and health and safety laws to

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Speaker 22: what we have here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I totally understand that. But if the net

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Speaker 2: result of your action is in three years there's no

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Speaker 2: coastal shipping for these fifteen thousand tons of cement, then

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Speaker 2: that would be a big negative, a big cross against

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Speaker 2: the decision. Right, So are you going to be practical

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Speaker 2: about it or do you think these guys are just

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Speaker 2: crying well for publicity.

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Speaker 22: Well, I guess the flip side to that argument would

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Speaker 22: be what about the other coastal shipping companies that do

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Speaker 22: run New Zealand vessels. If there is no longer a

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Speaker 22: requirement to have New Zealand feed vessels or New Zealand crews,

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Speaker 22: they may well then be incentivised in order to compete

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Speaker 22: with foreign vessels to have their own foreign vessels in here,

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Speaker 22: and then all of a sudden the entire coastal shipping

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Speaker 22: network falls to bits. So ultimately that's something that we

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Speaker 22: have to consider when we're making these decisions. There are

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Speaker 22: people out there who advocate for change, but it's not

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Speaker 22: something that we've considered in this case. And you know,

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Speaker 22: you've got to think about the long term viability of

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Speaker 22: coastal shipping and New Zealm and New Zealand sea fearers.

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Speaker 22: That's got to be part of the consideration.

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Speaker 2: All right. Have you had conversations with Winston Peters about it?

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Speaker 22: Not directly with mister Peters, but I know that mister

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Speaker 22: Jones has made his views quite clear on these kinds

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Speaker 22: of issues, and we take our coalition colleagues concerns very

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Speaker 22: seriously and actually we work quite well. So that's that's probably,

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Speaker 22: I think pretty fair to say.

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Speaker 2: All right, Minister willive it. They appreciate your times. To

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Speaker 2: night James A. Mega, who's the Associate Transport Minister, eleven

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Speaker 2: after six on Newstalk ZBB nine nine to the numbers

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Speaker 2: to text. I know a lot of you have got

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Speaker 2: an interest in this particular topic, so I would love

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Speaker 2: to hear from you. And next we will talk to

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Speaker 2: Barry Soaper and wrap the political week that was.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duples See Allan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio empowered by News Talk.

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Speaker 2: Zebby News Talk ZBB. It's six fourteen, so we may

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Speaker 2: yet see Winston Peters moderating the debate between Ruth Richardson

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Speaker 2: and Nicola Willis. Can you imagine just a Nicola Willis

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Speaker 2: apparently said yes, So we're just waiting on Ruth. Ruth,

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Speaker 2: if you're listening, are you keen on Winston or not?

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Speaker 2: Just let us know. Nine two is number to text.

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Speaker 2: This one says, Hey, Ryan, can't wait for the Willis

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Speaker 2: the Richardson debate. It's pretty stupid move from the Tax

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Speaker 2: Persunion attacking Willis in this way. Willis might not be

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Speaker 2: the world's best finance minister, but I'd rather hear than

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Speaker 2: Barbara Edmonds or Choe Swarbrick. I think that's probably what

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Speaker 2: will happen, what will be the thinking of the middle

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Speaker 2: voter next year. Now, let's get to Barry Soaper, senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondent with us from News Talks. You'd be tonight, Barry,

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Speaker 2: welcome back.

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Speaker 12: I'd nice to be here again, Ryan, even though I'm

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Speaker 12: missing the Christmas party. I think it's over now.

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Speaker 2: I think it's finished yet. The free drinks are done.

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Speaker 2: We don't care anymore now the RIMA change is that

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01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 2: finally we got around to tackling this And do you

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01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: think this will be the last time it's tackled or

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Speaker 2: will we be back to square one again?

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Speaker 12: Well, you can't help thinking that nothing has been done

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01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 12: quite like this before since the original RMA was introduced

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Speaker 12: to nineteen eighty nine, and it grew and grew and grew,

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Speaker 12: more regulation, more obstacles put in the way of people

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01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 12: doing normal things like building a deck in the backyard

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01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 12: or an outhouse in the backyard. I don't mean a toilet,

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01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 12: because that's long since gone, but you know, a little flat, yeah,

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01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 12: granite flat. Yeah. So now all these regulations and rules

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Speaker 12: have been white essentially, and you know, I think the

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Speaker 12: changes are probably more significant than I've ever seen since

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Speaker 12: the RMA was originally enacted. And I think we can

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Speaker 12: all be thankful for that. I mean, Chris Bishop said

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Speaker 12: that it's a generational change, and I think it is.

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01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 12: And the old thing is, though Ryan, only time will.

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Speaker 2: Tell exactly see how it works exactly, And you won't

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01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 2: know actually what any of this means until your neighbor

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Speaker 2: builds a big deck, you know, and then and then

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Speaker 2: you will get it. Hey, the protests in Parliament this week.

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01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 2: I felt thought this was a real low point for Parliament,

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01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 2: a real disappointment because they've had to shut the gallery.

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Speaker 12: Well, yes, I've seen so much happening in recent years

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Speaker 12: in the place that you know when I think it

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01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 12: would not even be tolerated. I know when you worked

1430
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 12: at Parliament with the rules were much more rigid they were,

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01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 12: and the place was sort of respected and enforced and

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Speaker 12: enforced they were too, yes, And now I think the

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Speaker 12: rules essentially changed when Trevor Millard became the Speaker and

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Speaker 12: everything went downhill from there and it left poor old

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Speaker 12: Jerry brownly because I like Jerry and he's a jovial

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01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 12: bloke and is a very tolerant man. But you know,

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Speaker 12: I thought the other day when these protesters basically overshadowed

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Speaker 12: anything that was happening in the house, and with the

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01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 12: shouting and yelling and being dragged out of the place

1440
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 12: by security guards, it really is to me a danger

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01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 12: that if they get away with it, and it seems

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Speaker 12: that they have. These are the pro Palestinian people. If

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Speaker 12: you were sitting in that the debating chamber looking up

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01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,520
Speaker 12: at them, I'd be if it was me quite concerned.

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Speaker 2: You never know, and give them an InStyle taking mile

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01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 2: barriers exactly. Now, this final one new is very in

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01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 2: poll for the year. Luson will be breathing a sigh

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01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 2: of relief about well, both poles actually.

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Speaker 12: Oh, he will be yeah, because you know, it's a

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01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 12: much better pole than what has been showing in the past.

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Speaker 12: And I guess it's essentially what could be expected when

1452
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 12: you look at what has happened to the Maldi party

1453
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 12: that no longer is a party of any reckoning at all.

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01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 12: It's basically a bunch of protesters, which I always said

1455
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 12: they were from the beginning anyway. But on these numbers,

1456
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 12: the coalition would get sixty seven seats in Parliament compared

1457
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 12: to the opposition fifty four. So it's an easy win

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01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 12: if election was held and these figures came up, which,

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Speaker 12: of course you can never rely on.

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Speaker 2: You can't.

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Speaker 12: As we remember, our dear old friend, the late Jim

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01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 12: Bolder said, bugger the pollsters, and I'm sure many politicians

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Speaker 12: have echoed that's a sentiment.

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Speaker 2: Since the other interesting thing about all of this is

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Speaker 2: that in order for Labor to win, they would need

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Speaker 2: not just Greens and to party MARII or bits of

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Speaker 2: to party Mary, whatever's left after it's dissected itself. But

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Speaker 2: also Winston Peters Wins is never going to go with

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Speaker 2: the Greens. I mean there's a question mark over whether

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Speaker 2: it go with Labor.

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Speaker 12: I don't think you'll go with Labor. I mean.

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Speaker 2: You can't trust that, you know what I mean, you

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Speaker 2: can't trust Winston.

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Speaker 12: Why, Look, he could be adjudicating the debate next week.

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Speaker 12: You've got to trust him. But look, I think the

1476
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 12: thing is, Winston's made it quite clear that when Chris

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Speaker 12: Hipkins is the leader of the Labor Party, and don't

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Speaker 12: forget he worked with Chris H. Hopkins for three years

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Speaker 12: prior to Labour taking over the treasure treasury benches of it,

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Speaker 12: he has said that quite sternly publicly, that he won't

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Speaker 12: do it, and I think, at least to that extent,

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Speaker 12: he is a man of his word.

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Speaker 2: The electoral law change has been debated under urgency bes.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, they were, and you know, I think there's a

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01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 12: good element to them because I think a lot of

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01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 12: people are saying you're denying people democracy by making them

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Speaker 12: in roll thirteen days before polling day. I'm sorry they

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Speaker 12: could go out and enroll today and they could be.

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Speaker 12: If you're serious about voting, you've got to get off

1490
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Speaker 12: your chuff and go out.

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Speaker 2: And I disagree with it. I don't think it's going

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Speaker 2: to make the whole. I don't think it's going to

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Speaker 2: make anything faster. And I think you should make voting

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Speaker 2: as easy as possible. And even though we might be organized, Barry,

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Speaker 2: some people aren't. I think everybody should. It should be

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Speaker 2: easy as possible for everyone.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, but the problem is right, and if you turn

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Speaker 12: up on election day and vote, which you can do

1499
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Speaker 12: under the current rules, then it's the counting that takes

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Speaker 12: the the special votes. Remember how many times Winston has

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Speaker 12: talked about those post election. One can only hope and

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Speaker 12: I guess again only time will. Time will tell if

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Speaker 12: we get the results quickly. Hope we do.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well it fingers crossed, Barry.

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01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 12: Thank you nice talking to you.

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01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,560
Speaker 2: Run and you too, Barry. That's Barry Soper News talksb's

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01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 2: political correspondent. It is twenty one minutes after six on

1508
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 2: your Friday evening. Quick little update on Thailand for you.

1509
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 2: Because they've been through the Ringer, you will know this.

1510
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 2: The skirmishes one of the more than skirmishes on the

1511
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 2: border with Cambodia. People have died in these. They've also

1512
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 2: had that terrible flooding in the south of the country.

1513
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 2: Now the prime minister, he's in a bit of trouble

1514
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 2: the time prime minister runs a minority government over there,

1515
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 2: only been in office three months, basically battling to hold

1516
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 2: on to power, battling to hold it together, facing criticism

1517
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 2: not just for the response to the floods, but also

1518
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 2: the response to the fighting on the border. So anyway,

1519
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,640
Speaker 2: he's at risk. And then today dissolves parliament. They're going

1520
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 2: to get that. He will go and then this will

1521
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 2: be their third prime minister since twenty twenty three. In Thailand,

1522
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 2: News Talks b apprudging.

1523
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: The numbers and getting the results beds Ryan Bridge on

1524
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: the Business Hour with MAS Motor Vehicle Insurance Your futures

1525
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: in good hands US talks.

1526
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: 'b twenty four after six. Maybe Van Velden got it

1527
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,759
Speaker 2: right on the minimum wage. Judging by the text machine,

1528
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 2: half of you saying it's too much two percent increased

1529
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 2: this year by the way one and a half percent

1530
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 2: last year, so slightly more. It's half of you saying

1531
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 2: too much. No, it's going to cripple business of the

1532
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 2: other half saying should have done more. They need more Ryan,

1533
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 2: they are dreaming. I employ more than one hundred people.

1534
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: I can tell you the cost this national government have

1535
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: put on our business in the past year is crippling.

1536
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 2: They will decrease our workforce to fundness and they will

1537
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 2: not have my vote next year. That's interesting. Who do

1538
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 2: you vote for then if you're a small business, because

1539
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:57,799
Speaker 2: you don't, you wouldn't well, would you vote? You wouldn't

1540
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 2: vote labor, presumably, so you'd going to act, would you?

1541
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 2: I would think twenty five minutes after six.

1542
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 4: There's no business like show business.

1543
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: It's almost over. But Taylor Swift just won't leave you alone,

1544
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 2: won't leave us alone. After a huge world tour, her

1545
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 2: engagement to Travis Kelcey and her new album and a movie.

1546
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: Remember she did the movie too. Apparently swifties can stomach

1547
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: one more thing. People like to talk about phenomenons. We

1548
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 2: have broken every single record you can break with this toy.

1549
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 2: I am a phenomenon. Look at me that phenomenon. Okay,

1550
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 2: we get it. You're rich, isn't it phenomena?

1551
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 23: When you're talking about multiple.

1552
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 2: Phenomenon, phenomenon phenomenon phenomenon at all? Is it a phenomena? Multiple?

1553
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 2: What one phenomenon too? Phenomena like stadium and stadia? Oh

1554
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: I'm not like that. Yeah, okay, anyway, she got a

1555
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 2: new docu series coming out and you can go watch

1556
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 2: it tonight from nine pm. Six episodes just because you

1557
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: know who needs one when you're a phenomena anyway at

1558
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 2: Disney Plus is what you will need to watch it.

1559
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 2: The show is said to give a glimpse into the

1560
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 2: inner workings of the Eras tour. It includes intimate behind

1561
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,799
Speaker 2: the scenes footage of her relationship with the now fiance

1562
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 2: Trevis Kelcey.

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01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 11: I'm very aware of mysterious forces at play that I

1564
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 11: will never have any control of.

1565
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 14: This show created a bonding experience.

1566
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 9: For like seventy thousand people all at once.

1567
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,600
Speaker 14: There's something very special about that.

1568
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 2: What are the dark forces? That sounds ominous, doesn't it? Anyway?

1569
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 2: I'd say, good on. I've got no problems with I

1570
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,839
Speaker 2: know a lot of people find her annoying or whatever.

1571
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,759
Speaker 2: I got no problem with her. That woman is making

1572
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 2: a butt ton of money and all powered to her,

1573
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 2: and clearly that will continue tonight from nine pm on

1574
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 2: Disney Plus News Talk ZMB. We'll get to our business

1575
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 2: correspondent in Asia and the UK next.

1576
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 7: The Key longer drowning and deceit or because you came

1577
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 7: for me, locked inside by memory and only you possess

1578
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 7: the King, no longer drowning and deceived because you.

1579
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 4: Came from me.

1580
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all

1581
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor

1582
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: Vehicle Insurance. Your future is in good hands.

1583
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 4: US Talks B. Sally is coming.

1584
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 24: Please do.

1585
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 2: Appearance twenty five away from seven News TALKSB. We'll get

1586
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 2: to the UK. We'll speak to our UK correspondent before

1587
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 2: top of the hour. Peter lewis standing by as well.

1588
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 2: But I want to take you to America first because

1589
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 2: Donald Trump this week held a rally in Pennsylvania and

1590
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 2: we spoke to our I query about that earlier in

1591
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 2: the week. But what we didn't talk about was because

1592
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 2: it was so long. You know, he goes on and

1593
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: on and on, does Trump. But what we didn't talk

1594
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 2: about is what he said, in particular about Ilain Oman.

1595
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 2: This is a representative from Pennsylvania, I'm sorry, from Minnesota,

1596
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 2: and she's from Somalia originally comes from Somalia, and he

1597
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 2: had some pretty extraordinary things to say about here. Have

1598
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 2: a listen.

1599
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 9: I love this Elin o'mar whatever the hell her name is,

1600
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 9: with a little shoe, the little turban.

1601
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 19: I love her.

1602
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 9: She comes in there's nothing but bitch. She's always a complained.

1603
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 9: She comes from her country where I mean, it's considered

1604
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 9: about the worst country in the world. Right, they have

1605
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 9: no military, they have no nothing, they have no parliament,

1606
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 9: they don't know what they hell the word parliament means

1607
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 9: they have nothing. They have no police, They police themselves.

1608
01:23:58,200 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 9: They kill each other all the time.

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01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 6: I love it.

1610
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,759
Speaker 9: She comes to our country and she's always complaining about

1611
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 9: the constitution.

1612
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 12: Allows me to do this.

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01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 9: We would have get her to hell out. She married

1614
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 9: her brother in order to get in, right, she married

1615
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:14,759
Speaker 9: her brother.

1616
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 2: So like, this is the president. It's outrageous what he's doing.

1617
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 2: The most outrageous thing about it, like he doesn't stop there,

1618
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 2: he continues. But the most outrageous thing about what he

1619
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 2: is doing is that no one's really reporting it, Like

1620
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 2: if this happened in his first term. And I thought

1621
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 2: there was an opinion piece from a guy at seeing

1622
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 2: end today which I thought was fair. If this was

1623
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 2: his first term, there would be outrage. There would have

1624
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 2: been opinion pieces up the wazoo, This would have led

1625
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 2: the six pm news. But now we're just so used

1626
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 2: to it.

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01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 9: Can you imagine if Donald Trump married his sister beautiful,

1628
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 9: she's a beautiful person. If I married my sister to

1629
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 9: get my citizenship, do you think I'd last for a

1630
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 9: bat two hours or would be something less than that.

1631
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 9: She married her brother to get in. Therefore she's here illegally,

1632
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 9: she should get the hell out, throw it a hell out.

1633
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 9: She does nothing but complain.

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01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 2: So after this point the crowd starts chanting, send her back,

1635
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 2: send her out, get her out, whatever anyway. Just to

1636
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 2: clarify the woman at the center of all of this,

1637
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 2: Elene Omar, she says, I did not marry my bro.

1638
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 2: She denies this. I did not marry my brother, and

1639
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 2: they've done some fact checks on it and said there

1640
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 2: is no evidence that this is actually true at all.

1641
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 2: So he's done. In other words, he's just making the

1642
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: whole thing up. Twenty two away from seven, Bryan Bridge,

1643
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 2: Let's go to our report and our correspondent, I should say,

1644
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 2: Peter Lewis. Peter for Asia Business. Good evening, Peter, good

1645
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 2: to have you on. Inflation hits a two year high

1646
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 2: in China.

1647
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 21: Yes, a piece of good news because China's really been

1648
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 21: flirting with the inflation for quite a while. But the

1649
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 21: consumer price index did jump in October. It's up about

1650
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 21: zero point seven percent year on year. There is the

1651
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:14,440
Speaker 21: other side of that, which is that factory gate prices,

1652
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 21: they're the prices that really manufacturers receive and pay for,

1653
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 21: are still in deflation. They've been in deflation now for

1654
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 21: four years, so that deflationary pressures hasn't gone away, and

1655
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 21: it is important that they're addressed because really it is

1656
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:33,799
Speaker 21: a drag on the overall economy and also it stops

1657
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 21: consumers going out to spend, and that's a very important

1658
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 21: aspect of trying to get the over reliance that China

1659
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 21: has on exports down to boosting the domestic economy. So

1660
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 21: we really need consumers to go out there and buy

1661
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 21: things and spend. They're very reluctant to do so at

1662
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 21: the moment. That's partly because they're really building up a

1663
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 21: lot of precautionary savings because there isn't a high amount

1664
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 21: of social care and welfare spending done in China, so

1665
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 21: consumers have to households have to pay for this themselves.

1666
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 21: There is still a slump in the property market. And

1667
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 21: also a lot of young people are still unemployed in China.

1668
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 21: About one in five people under twenty four years old

1669
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 21: don't have a job, so they live with their parents.

1670
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 21: Their parents pay for them and subsidize them. So there's

1671
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 21: all these things which are weighing on domestic consumption. And

1672
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 21: the leaders in Beijing have made this an absolute priority

1673
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 21: for the next year to really try and address that

1674
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 21: and to move this reliance away from exports onto domestic

1675
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 21: consumption and boosting the domestic economy.

1676
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 2: What about the terriffs, And you know we've spoken a

1677
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 2: lot about this this year, but actually China has been

1678
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 2: holding up not to bed, thank you very much.

1679
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 21: Oh more than not too bad. I mean it has

1680
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 21: a trade surplus in the first eleven months of this

1681
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,640
Speaker 21: year of over one trillion dollars. Now, I mean that

1682
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 21: is an extraordinary amount. China has a trade surplus with

1683
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 21: nearly every single country in the world, and even the US.

1684
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 21: Although the exports to the US have slumped over the

1685
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 21: past year, they were down almost thirty percent in November,

1686
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 21: imports from the US were down about twenty percent. This

1687
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 21: is the impact of the tariffs that's being had on

1688
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 21: US China trade. All they're doing is they're finding new markets,

1689
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 21: particularly in developing economies in Latin America, in the Middle East,

1690
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 21: in Africa, and most importantly of all, in Southeast Asia.

1691
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 21: The trade surplus with the Southeast Asian nations as a

1692
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 21: whole is about a quarter of a trillion dollars two

1693
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,919
Speaker 21: hundred and fifty billion US dollars. So these are countries

1694
01:28:53,960 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 21: like Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, and so on. And when you

1695
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:04,799
Speaker 21: have your exports which are growing about three times faster

1696
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 21: than global trade is growing overall, what it means is

1697
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 21: that China is taking over in effect other countries exports

1698
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 21: factories are closing down elsewhere. We're seeing that in Indonesia.

1699
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:22,440
Speaker 21: It's estimated that about three hundred thousand people in Indonesia's

1700
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 21: garments and textile factories have lost their jobs now to

1701
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 21: Chinese imports. Local businesses in Thailand are being hurt. So

1702
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 21: it's not just the US and the EU that is

1703
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 21: complaining about these countries like Thailand, like Indonesia talking about

1704
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 21: putting tariffs on Chinese goods because their industries simply can't

1705
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 21: compete and people are being thrown out of work because

1706
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 21: of these massive trade surpluses and massive over capacity. And

1707
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 21: what we're seeing is that although China is moving up

1708
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 21: the value and it wants to now export high tech

1709
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 21: goods to other countries, things like electric vehicles, solar panels,

1710
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 21: and so on, it still also wants to retain all

1711
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 21: its exports in things like shoes and garments and so on.

1712
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 6: Now, what would.

1713
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 21: Normally happen is that that would then be ceded to

1714
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 21: countries elsewhere and allow them to have a share of

1715
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 21: global trade. But basically China wants to be self sufficient

1716
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,520
Speaker 21: in everything. So this is simply not going to be sustainable.

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Speaker 21: China is not going to be able to maintain those

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Speaker 21: sort of trade surpluses going forward without a lot of

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Speaker 21: problems for global trade and the global economy and a

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Speaker 21: lot of resistance coming from other countries around the world.

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Speaker 2: Such a behemoth in hoovering up industries all over the

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Speaker 2: world and lots of different countries, And do you think

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Speaker 2: maybe in doing so, they are forcing other countries to

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Speaker 2: have a bit of sympathy for what America has been

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Speaker 2: going through.

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Speaker 21: Yes, absolutely, because you know these the complaints that America

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Speaker 21: and the EU have. I mean, Emmanuel Macron was in

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Speaker 21: Beijing just a couple of weeks ago. He's saying that

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Speaker 21: these types of exports are just simply unbearable to their

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Speaker 21: local industries. And absolutely there are countries around the world,

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Speaker 21: not just in Southeast Asia but also in Latin America

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Speaker 21: have been thinking about tariff Some of them have actually

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Speaker 21: moved forward on tariff's on Chinese goods because if they

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01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 21: don't do something, their own workers are going to be

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Speaker 21: thrown out of jobs and that's going to create a

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Speaker 21: lot of social problems in those countries.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Right now, the US has done a bit of

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Speaker 2: a U turn on and video chips, allowing them to

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Speaker 2: sell the AI chips to approved customers. That's correct.

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Speaker 21: So this is not the top chip that the video produces.

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01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 21: They're the Blackwell chips, which are still banned for sale

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Speaker 21: in China. But Donald Trump has agreed now to allow

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Speaker 21: the second most advanced in NA video chip, which is

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Speaker 21: the eight two hundred artificial intelligence chip, go to what

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01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 21: they call approved customers. We don't know yet how that's

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Speaker 21: going to be defined and who that's going to be,

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Speaker 21: but it comes after months of lobbying by the Video CEO.

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Speaker 21: Jensen Wang has argued that access to US technology should

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Speaker 21: be global and that includes China, and if they don't

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Speaker 21: do this, all that will happen is that China will

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Speaker 21: develop its own chips instead its own advanced chips. Now,

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01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 21: there is some truth in that, although Jensen Wang is

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01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 21: talking his own book a lot there as well, because

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Speaker 21: China is still several years behind in terms of the

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Speaker 21: most advanced chips, and it does need this these chips

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01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 21: to be able to develop their own AI capabilities. But

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Speaker 21: it's not totally clear that Beijing's going to allow Chinese

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01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 21: companies to buy them, because it's putting its own chip

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01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 21: making firms on what it calls its own approval list,

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01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 21: it's domestic approval list. So if you're a Chinese firm

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Speaker 21: and you want to go and buy n video chip,

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01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 21: you have to justify why you can't buy a chip

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Speaker 21: from one of the local processors like SMIC for example,

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Speaker 21: as opposed to going out and buying the Video's chips.

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Speaker 21: So this may all have come a bit too late

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01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 21: for the US because it may be that China's just

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Speaker 21: simply not going to allow firms to buy them. But

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Speaker 21: Donald Trump wants is desperate to have a trade deal

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Speaker 21: with China. It's his top sort of priority, and he

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01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 21: seems to be promoting that above all other considerations, including

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Speaker 21: what many not just Republicans but also Democrats in Congress

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Speaker 21: are saying is overriding US national security issues.

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Speaker 2: Peter, appreciate your update. Thank you, Pedolo US that Asia

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Speaker 2: Business correspondent time is fourteen minutes away from seven. Will

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Speaker 2: hit to Gevin Grand next.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hours

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Speaker 1: with Ryan Bridge and Mayor's motor vehicle insurance, your futures

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Speaker 1: in good heads US talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be welcome makers a liven to seven. Church of

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01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 2: England in a bit of trouble. It's got to Gavin

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Speaker 2: Gray Are UK correspondent, Gavin, what's the latest here?

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Speaker 25: Well, Roan, you'd have thought with the previous head of

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01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 25: the Church of England had to leave his post accused

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01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 25: of not doing enough to root out sexual abuses among

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01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 25: the clergy, the church was probably hoping a new archbishop

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01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 25: would mean a new chapter, particularly after the appointee is

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01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 25: the first female in the post. But It's now been

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01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 25: revealed that the Church of England is considering a complaint

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Speaker 25: against the incoming Archbishop of Canterbury for her handling over

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01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 25: an abuse scourel. Dame Sarah Malali is her a name.

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Speaker 25: She's due to take post in six weeks time, but

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01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 25: she's now been accused of improperly handling a complaint against

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01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,679
Speaker 25: a priest in London. But that's her current job where

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01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 25: she's serving as a bishop now. Earlier this week, a

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01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 25: complainant spoke to a Christian website saying that the case

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01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 25: was handled very badly and had a serious impact on

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01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 25: his mental health. It's reported that when the complainant filed

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01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,719
Speaker 25: his original case against an accused priest, Bishop Sarah Malalley

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01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 25: contacted the priest involved about the allegations and that itself

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01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 25: breached the church's disciplinary protocols. And apparently the complaint against

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01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 25: her was not formally dealt with and lambetha Palace. Officials

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01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:34,640
Speaker 25: at the HQ, as it were of the Church of

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01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 25: England said they assumed the complainant no longer wished to proceed.

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01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,799
Speaker 25: They were wrong and this is not the ideal start

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Speaker 25: for the new boss.

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Speaker 2: Goodness made now what's the story here with the Rolling

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01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 2: Stones and Fat Boy Slim.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, Fatbofe Slim has a song that he produced and

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01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 25: that was called the Rockefeller Skank. But after twenty years

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01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 25: of playing the single or more, he got a bit bored,

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01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:02,759
Speaker 25: so he began sort of grafting on the main guitar

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Speaker 25: riff from the Stone song Satisfaction. Now Norman Cook has

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01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 25: Fat Boy Slim's real name, brilliant musician, brilliant, sort of

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01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 25: clever artist with these things, used to begin playing this

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01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 25: during concerts, but he did kind of want to release

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01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:24,560
Speaker 25: what he called his Satisfaction skang commercially. However, having contacted

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01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 25: the Rolling Stones, they kept saying no, and after four

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01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 25: different requests over twenty years, eventually got to speak to

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01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 25: Mick Jagger. Mick jaggerhead of Stones, of course, said he'd

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01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 25: heard the take on it by Fat's Boy Slim, said

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01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 25: he liked the mix, but his management was saying absolutely

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01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 25: no way, not even negotiable. We're not going to give

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01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 25: you permission to use the guitar riff from Satisfaction in

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01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 25: any release of any single. So Norman Cook thought, okay,

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01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 25: that's it.

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Speaker 4: Then.

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Speaker 25: However, the Stones have changed their mind, or at least

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01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:01,799
Speaker 25: the management of the rolling stands has changed his mind.

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01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 25: And now after a quarter of a century, he says

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01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 25: he's finally going to be able to release it as

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01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 25: a single.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's fantastic. We look forward to hearing it. It

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Speaker 2: is a brilliant song, as you say, a great and

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Speaker 2: concert It will be great on record two. Gavin Gray

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Speaker 2: are UK correspondent. It is eight to seven News Talk ZBB.

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Speaker 2: ZEBB five to seven. Thank you so much for all

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Speaker 2: of your texts and your emails and your feedback this afternoon.

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01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 2: Very much appreciated. Been a great show. Good to talk

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Speaker 2: to Brook van Velden about the minimum wage two percent

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01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 2: increase if you didn't catch that up from one and

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01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 2: a half percent last year. James Meger on the cement subject,

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Speaker 2: which exercised many of you. We know that the moldy

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01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 2: lunch thing will be resolved hopefully next week. They're just

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01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 2: waiting on releasing an internal review into all of that business.

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Speaker 2: And as for the debate, well that's happened next week too,

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Speaker 2: may or may not be moderated by one Winston Raymond

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Speaker 2: Peters Right. That's it for me, signing off for your

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Speaker 2: Friday night. I hope you have a wonderful weekend.

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Speaker 23: And it's satisfaction scan because Gavin was just talking about

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01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 23: the Rolling Stones of hat Boys slim song that was,

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01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 23: you know, coming to get came together about the year

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01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 23: two thousand and it's finally been released.

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Speaker 20: Let's ever listen.

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Speaker 26: Now plunk down, flunk so bright about now, plunk so

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01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 26: down down, plunk so proud.

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Speaker 24: Down down down, bunk so proud down just blunk so

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01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:48,440
Speaker 24: down down.

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Speaker 27: Plight about now the funk so brother us heck you

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Speaker 27: out now, the punk so brother right about now, the

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01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 27: funk so brother us heck it out now, the funk

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Speaker 27: so brother right about now, the funk so brothers have

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01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 27: you out now the funk so brother right about now,

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Speaker 27: the funk so.

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Speaker 24: Brother us help you down cown, just punk so brother

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Speaker 24: right about now now now now now now, now.

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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 24: Right about down the funk So brother us have you

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Speaker 24: down cown. He's the funk so brother right about down

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01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 24: the bunk So brother us have you down town, the

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01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 24: bunk so brother right about down the bunk so brother us,

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Speaker 24: have you down town? It's a bunk, so right about

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Speaker 24: down the bunk. So brother Us.

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