1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Jason Wool's News sog Zibbies political editors with US Now. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 2: Hi, Jason, Oh, good afternoon. 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So why are they announcing today that the review 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: kicks off? 5 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: Madear? Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it. I mean, 6 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: the cynical among you could say that it was an 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: attempt to distract from all the bad press that they've 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: been getting this week about their pay equity situation. But 9 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 2: you know, looking at this on balance, nobody should really 10 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: be that surprise that this has happened. I mean, every 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: time Chris Luxon has talked about the White Pungy Tribunal, 12 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: he essentially says that it has been sort of is 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: removed from its brief somewhat, and it's been happening quite 14 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: a bit over the last couple of years. And then 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: of course it was in the New Zealand First National 16 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: Coalition agreement that this would be a review would be undertaken. 17 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: And of course it was Shane Jones of New Zealand 18 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 2: First that was happy as larry when the news came 19 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: out this afternoon. He says the time has come for 20 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: the White Pungee Tribunal to take a statutory haircut for 21 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: a Shane Jones esque of him. He says, after fifty year, 22 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: the Tribunal has gone off script, pursuing ideological fantasy instead 23 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: of what it was created to do. And that is, 24 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: of course, consider claims relating to breaches of the Treaty 25 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: of Why Tangy Now. David Seymour is also pleased with 26 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: this one. He says that the Tribunal had become increasingly 27 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: activist and had gone well beyond its brief, and he 28 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: said it's time to be put in its place. So 29 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: they're all arguing, essentially that it's not what it's not 30 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: doing what it's supposed to be doing in law. And 31 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: there's a number of examples that Seymour's office have actually 32 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: given me when I said, well hang on, what give 33 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: me some examples of when this happened. For example, if 34 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: you remember when they attempt to summon and question Karen 35 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: Shaw about the repealing of Section seven a A, they 36 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: said that that was not within the White Tangi Tribunals brief. 37 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: They talk about requiring the government to provide confidential documents 38 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: to the Treaty Principal's Bill, and then those documents being 39 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: leaked pretty quickly depressed before even Cabinet had seen them 40 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: and then things like urgent inquiries that they have in 41 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: terms of things like the Regulatory Standards Bill. So obviously, Heather, 42 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: this comes no surprise that this is going to get 43 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: a lot of backlash from the opposition parties. The Green 44 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: said that this is about making it easier to trample 45 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: over the treaty and punch down on pungat Fenawa and 46 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: Labour said it's extremely bad faith to conductor of review 47 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: right when the right Waitangi Tribunal is conducting urgent inquiries 48 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: into the action of this government, to which I would 49 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: say you'd be pretty hard pressed to find the time 50 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: with the Tribunal was not conducting an urgent inquiry into 51 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: something this government's doing. 52 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: Right, that's actually a fair point. Listen, what's been the 53 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: reaction to the government redress and compos scheme. 54 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the opposition parties are not a fan of 55 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: this either. I mean, this is of course the government 56 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: investing or spending rather seven hundred and seventy four million 57 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: dollars in the budget for the rejess scheme. The average 58 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: rejest payment for new claims will go from nineteen thousand 59 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: to about thirty thousand and a fifty percent top up 60 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: will be provided to survivors who have already settled claims 61 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: to ensure a bit of can consistency with the increased 62 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: payments for the new claimants. So immediate pushback from Labor 63 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: and the Greens. Labor said putting more money into an 64 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: existing redress system that so many of the survivors have 65 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: already said they have no confidence in is just not 66 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: good enough, and the Greens say an apology is empty 67 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: without action. The government has failed survivors by repeating the 68 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: mistakes of old that resulted in abuse and trauma that 69 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: sparked the whole commission in the first place. And this 70 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: has kind of come down to the fact that, and 71 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: to be fair to the opposition parties, the government did 72 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: say when they gave the apology that they would be 73 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: creating a new entity in charge of facilitating this redress, 74 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: but they're actually keeping what they've already done. Here's what 75 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 2: Chris Luxon said today as to why they're doing this. Sorry, 76 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: this clip is a bit hard to hear. He would 77 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: see he was standing somewhere in a warehouse with a 78 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: lot of rain. But have a listen. It takes time 79 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: to put a new redress system in place. They costs 80 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: a lot of money and you can't guarantee. You've got 81 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: and gether guarantee and you can get a bit of 82 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: result from what you're doing right. So his argument is 83 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: a essentially listen, we want to do this at speed. 84 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: There's a lot of survivors that actually want to see 85 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: this done quickly and we don't want to leave them 86 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: in limbo. 87 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: Good stuff. Hey, thanks very much, Jason, appreciate it. Jason 88 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: wools our political editing. For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, 89 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 90 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.