1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: dup c Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: You stop said, be. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today. 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: The New Zealand rescue plane has just swung by Brisbane 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: to take the delegation to Japan. We're going to get 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 2: the details of how that's going. The Breast Cancer Foundation 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: on Madame M Davidson's diagnosis today and it's safe on 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: its brilliant new scam busting idea. 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 3: Ever, dupicy Ellen, well, we're. 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: Just gonna have to pony up and buy a couple 12 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: of new planes, aren't we, Because come on, this is 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: the second time this year that this plane has broken 14 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: down on Chris Luxen, and if he keeps on insisting 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: on using these old girls, it's definitely not going to 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 2: be the last time that it's happened. Al Gillespie, I 17 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: Reckon made the best argument today for why we should 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: have a plane that works rather than just having you know, 19 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: the option which is being mooted as well, of flying 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: the Prime minister around the place commercially instead. And his 21 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: argument basically is that when our prime minister turns up 22 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: in another country. It's generally because we want something from 23 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: that country, right, either we want to trade with them, 24 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: increase trade, or we want them to do what we 25 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 2: want them to do politically. So we're there to impress them, 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: and we have to impress them, which is the whole 27 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: point of a trip like this, Right, you go on 28 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: a trip like this, everybody has to dress up in 29 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: their best suits, look like they mean business. Prime minister 30 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: collects a group of smart and powerful people with them 31 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: to impress the host, bring them media along to look 32 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: like he's popular and a big deal, and you arrive 33 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: on your own plane. That's part of the thing, right, 34 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: It's part of the whole kind of charade, is you 35 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: arrive on your own plane, because what you want is 36 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: countries like Japan to look at us arrive and go 37 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: whoof ballers, Yeah, ballers with influence in the South Pacific. 38 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: You don't want them to look at us and go, oh, 39 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: it's that Pavo country next to Australia. Again that no 40 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: one wants to listen to that country. But you look 41 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: like a baller in the South Pacific, Suddenly people want 42 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: to spend time with you. Got to look like you're 43 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 2: meaning business, in which case you turn up in your limo, 44 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: you don't turn up in your taxi. Particularly, I would 45 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: say that is important at a time when this part 46 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,279 Speaker 2: of the world is contested and a show of strength 47 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: will go a long way. Now, even if that doesn't 48 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: convince you, even if you do not care, particularly for 49 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 2: diplomacy or trade, economically, we would be better off buying 50 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: a couple of new planes. I saw a quote for 51 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: a Boeing similar to the ones that we fly. I mean, 52 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: it will be used, but it's sitting somewhere with thirty 53 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: years flying still left in it, and it's sitting somewhere 54 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: around thirty five to forty million dollars right, sound like 55 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: a lot to you. So you're gonna be spending seventy 56 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: to eighty million dollars to buy a couple of those planes. 57 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: The planes that we are flying at the moment that 58 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: keep breaking down cost US seventy million dollars in maintenance 59 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: just in the last two years. That's two new planes 60 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: right there. Every year that we keep on flying these 61 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: old birds, we're wasting the money every year that we 62 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 2: could buy a new plane with. So every single year 63 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: that we continue to fly them from here on in. 64 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: That's a new plane, flush down the toilet because were 65 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: insist on being povos. So we just need to stop 66 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: doing this, stop being cheap, Stop trying to sweat the 67 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: last bit of life out of these planes, which is 68 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: now becoming more expensive than just buying new ones. Stop 69 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: pretending that we can fly the Prime Minister commercially. Just 70 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: buy two new planes. 71 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: Heather d for c Allen nine two nine two is the. 72 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: Text number you're welcomed away in. And also Jason Walls, 73 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: the political editors being picked up in Brisbane. We spoke 74 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: to him before that in New Zealand plane swung by, 75 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: so we'll play you that interview after five o'clock. Right now, 76 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: though the pressure is growing on Wellington Water to let 77 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: trained plumbers help them fix the city's water problems. Previously, 78 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: Wellington Water said plumbers were underqualified to fix these kinds 79 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: of leaks. They claim that to work on the public 80 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: water network you need specialist knowledge and specialist qualifications. But 81 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: now the plumbing industry body has confirmed actually plumbers are 82 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: more qualified than the usual Wellington Water contractors. Greg Wallace 83 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: is the Master Plumbers Chief Executive and with us now 84 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: Hey Greg Afternoon, Heather, are any private plumbers helping Wellington 85 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: Water at this stage? 86 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 4: Yes, they are. 87 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 5: There've been approved contractors for many year and they didn't 88 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 5: have to do an extra qualification. They got their plumbing 89 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 5: qualification recognized. 90 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: How did they get their qualification recognized and others can't. 91 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 5: It's a really good question, and they have Well into 92 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 5: Water or the council who own well with the Water 93 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 5: haven't been able to answer that question. 94 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 6: How many of them are there? 95 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 5: Very few because they have a long protracted health and 96 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 5: safety and other compliance document you have to go through. 97 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 5: My members have told me it's twenty four pages of tickboxing. 98 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 5: But when they've got to the qualifications, they've proved that 99 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 5: there were a certified licensed plumber under the PGD board 100 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 5: and they've said that is fine and acceptable. Now, I 101 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 5: suppose my other point is a Workplace Development Council who's 102 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 5: their independent body, have agreed that the unit standards in 103 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 5: the Q eight unit standards that plumbers do more than 104 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 5: what the infrastructure and water qualification is that Well Into 105 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 5: Water is require. 106 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: So basically your argument, from the sounds of things is 107 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: just get rid of all the paperwork and just say yes, 108 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: you guys can do it, Is that right? 109 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 4: Okay? 110 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 5: We work at water all the time, drinking water every 111 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 5: single day. We come to your house, we fix your tabs, 112 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 5: we fix your water mains, exactly saying we're talking. We're 113 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 5: going to remember in February when I first had the 114 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 5: welling meeting with Welling to Water and got some interest 115 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 5: from councils, they told us they had a workforce crisis 116 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 5: and they couldn't fix the three thousand, five hundred and 117 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 5: seventy two leaks at the time because of the workforce. 118 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 5: We said, understand that the plumbers are also rate players 119 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 5: and we want this resolved, so we're helped. We're willing 120 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 5: and able to help, particularly when the tobes are in 121 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 5: private property. And since that we've had red tape and 122 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 5: compliance and nonsense put to us to try and say 123 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 5: that the plumbing seat there aren't qualifying and that's just 124 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 5: simply not true. 125 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: What's the real reason that Wellington Water is being so 126 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: weird about it. 127 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 5: They have a contract, they have a contract with third 128 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 5: party supply. I think there's some probably some conflict in 129 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 5: that contractor whether they want other private contract involved in 130 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 5: fixing it. They make things as difficult as possible when 131 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 5: we think, you know, we're talking about Toby's and private property. 132 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 5: It's just just an isolation valve. It's not complex at all. 133 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 5: And plumbers are licensed under raging and it's been proved. 134 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 5: The other point is only forty one percent of their 135 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 5: own workforce cause the qualification and of subcontractors that they employ, 136 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 5: they don't keep any records and so this has been 137 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 5: another hurdle to try and delay. What we should have 138 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 5: been doing is just concentrating on fixing the LAK. 139 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 2: Truth so Greg is the truth that they actually don't 140 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: have enough money to be able to employ plumbers because 141 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: what's happened is Wellington City Council, being the typewds that 142 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,559 Speaker 2: they are, have only given Wellington Water this much money, 143 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: right and that basically is enough to keep all of 144 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: their contractors busy. So if they then got you guys, 145 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: and they would actually just run out of money really 146 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: quickly and everybody have to start it yep. 147 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 5: And one in the city councils plumbat around the funding 148 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 5: they came. But Campbell Bowry from Hut City Council has 149 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 5: been very adamant that extra funding was given from Hut 150 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 5: City Council on the basis that plumbers would be important 151 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 5: interesting and that happened and so yeah, look, I think 152 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 5: they've leveraged the plumbing community to try and extract funds 153 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 5: and they never had any intention of using plumbers. They 154 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 5: just used it as ouse as of political football to 155 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 5: try and increase the funding they get. It's still not affordable. 156 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 5: What you know, the average repair from Run into Water 157 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 5: is five thousand and five per leg. It's quite ludicrous. 158 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 5: And I keep saying our plumbers are paying rates and 159 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 5: commercial property and at their home and all they see 160 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 5: is just delays and less in. It's just and no 161 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 5: one's taking ownership. And we've got to remember the council's 162 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 5: own Run into Water. 163 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 7: Yeah. 164 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: Do you know what, Greg, you're the frustrat in your 165 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: voice pretty much sums up how most Wellingtonians feel. I think, 166 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time, mate, and best 167 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: of like trying to beat your head against this brick wall, 168 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: Greg Wallace, Master Plumber's chief executive. It looks like Toyota's 169 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: Chairman's going to be facing a vote over his continued 170 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: tenure in that role. And this is over over that 171 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: safety fraud scandal that broke a couple of weeks ago, 172 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, you know where they were, where 173 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: all the safety tests were being done, But actually there 174 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: was a lot of fraud going on and it wasn't 175 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: actually quite what it looked like. Two major proxy groups 176 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: are demanding a vote. They think I think that they 177 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: actually want him not just out of the chairmanship but 178 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: off the board altogether. And this guy, by the way, 179 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: is the grandson of the founder of Toyota. The annual 180 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 2: shareholders meeting is tomorrows, so that they're going to have 181 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 2: a vote. That is when they're going to have a vote. 182 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: Quarter past, digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither 183 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: duper c Allen Drive with one New zealand one giant 184 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: leap for business US Talk. 185 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: Said, be Hey, Winston Peters. 186 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: I know. 187 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: Winston Peters is in charge at the moment. He's holding 188 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 2: the press conference, the post cabinet press conference. Will get 189 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: you across the details something's just been announced. He's also 190 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: addressed the Prime Minister's plans. We'll get to it shortly 191 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 2: to eighteen past four. Jason Pie and sports Stalk coasters 192 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 2: with me right now. Piney Hallo, Heather, that was hard 193 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: viewing the Warriors versus the Storm. I mean start, I 194 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: was like, I was sending texts as the start, how good, 195 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 2: it just stopped. It just on my phone. 196 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 8: Terrible Saturday for me because I had to watch the 197 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 8: Hurricanes lose then get home and didn't get a shred 198 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 8: of joy from the Warriors either apart from that first 199 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 8: ten to fifteen minutes. Yeah, Warriores just find it very 200 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 8: hard to beat the Storm. We spoke about it on Friday, 201 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 8: didn't we. You know, it had been fifteen games without 202 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 8: any joy. Now sixteen. It just seems to be an 203 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 8: unfeasibly long time. And I'm sure the players themselves would say, look, 204 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 8: we don't worry about the history and what's gone before. 205 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 8: We just play in front of us. But that seems 206 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 8: like a very very long time between any any sort 207 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 8: of success against against one team. The Storm are a 208 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 8: good team, don't get me wrong, the top of the 209 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 8: NRL for a reason. But I was just i'd probably, 210 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,599 Speaker 8: like you thought that this was going to be the 211 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 8: day that they did snap that streak, but unfortunately it 212 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 8: goes on. 213 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: I mean, is it because the two Storm are so 214 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: good at the top of the table, or is there 215 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: a whodoo going on here? 216 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 8: Well, I think the first part of that is, yes, 217 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 8: the storm are good because the top of the table, 218 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 8: or are good because that's where they'll find themselves. 219 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 7: Is there a hoodoo? 220 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 4: I don't know. 221 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 8: I reckon it must play on your mind a little bit, 222 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 8: especially when it gets tight and you think to yourself, Man, 223 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 8: which haven't beaten these guys for so long and here 224 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 8: we go again. They'll say it doesn't play on their minds, 225 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 8: but I reckon, I might just sit there in the 226 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 8: back of them. 227 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: Do you think that Seawan Johnson was convincing? Well, that's 228 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: not convincing. Now, it's not a convincing answer. 229 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 8: He hasn't played for four weeks and so you know 230 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 8: he wasn't. 231 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: Making excuses for him painting. 232 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he'll get better. He'll be better for 233 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 8: the he'll be better for the run. I hope you'll 234 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 8: be a lot better against the Titans. 235 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: Okay, So the answer to my question was no, Yeah. 236 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 8: Well he was he didn't. He wasn't the Sean Johnson 237 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 8: that he was, you know at the back end of 238 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 8: last year when. 239 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: He was spearing it up. Does webs put some mighty 240 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: Martin back in that position. 241 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 8: No, I think you'll stick with him. I think he's 242 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 8: shown he's shown loyalty to a lot of players in 243 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 8: that team, including Sean Johnson. I think he'll leave them 244 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 8: in the seven jumper and Martin will stay in the 245 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 8: sixth year. 246 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: Okay, now, I'll tell you what. I'm a little nervous 247 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: for the Blues after that performance from the Chiefs. 248 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 8: I think the Blues were gone as favorites. But the 249 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 8: Chiefs were good the other day, really good away from home, 250 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 8: which is what they have to do if they're going 251 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 8: to win Super Rugby. The only question mark over them 252 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 8: is injuries. They're losing two of their or definitely one 253 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 8: and probably two of their hookers, a couple of other 254 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 8: players with question marks hanging over them. The Blues fully 255 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 8: fit at home, firing, looking really really good. I just 256 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 8: hope it's a great game. I've got no skin in 257 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 8: the game anymore. I just hope for a terrific game 258 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 8: of rugby. But the Blues I think are rightful favorites 259 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 8: at this point. 260 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: Piney always appreciate talking to you. Thank you so much 261 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: for your insight. That's Jason Pine's sports talk host Heather. 262 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: All that's needed is a tend cy to private jet 263 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 2: the entourage fly commercially and let the Air Force get 264 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: an aircraft suitable to their needs and all operated by 265 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: the Air Force. Well then, but so then you're buying 266 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: two planes anyway, aren't you're buying a jet for. It 267 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: doesn't solve the problem. You're buying a jet for. So 268 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: he and is like, what nine other people we's got Amanda, 269 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: isn't there? So there's lux in an Amanda, And then 270 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: you can have eight other people, and there'll be one 271 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: press secretary and one private secretary at least. So now 272 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: you've got six other people who could go with him 273 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: with Tom McClain. Now you've got five other people, you 274 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it's not a big plane. 275 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: And then at the same time you're having to get 276 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: the Air Force presumably two other planes because they can't 277 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: just have one plane. I mean, I've got a lot 278 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: of text going why do we need two planes? You 279 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: do realize that these boeings fly down to Antarctica, right, 280 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: so you don't want to be sort of like going 281 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: off to Antarctica, d the dropping the bird there and 282 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: then be like it's broken down. Now we don't have 283 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: a backup, not because remember New Zealand said, no, I 284 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: can only have one plane. Now it's okay, that's staying 285 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: in for the winter, Like, you can't do that to 286 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: these people. You need two planes. So if you're gonna 287 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: get it's worked fine. It's worked fine to have a 288 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: couple of Boeings. I mean, maybe they'll look at it again, 289 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: but I don't see why you can't just do it anyway. 290 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: Winston Peters is holding the post cabinet press conference, just 291 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: got asked about it. 292 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 9: How embarrassing is it? Well, reality is you have everybody 293 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 9: make comments. But the experts that I've talked to say, 294 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 9: to me, the reason why that plane doesn't fly the 295 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 9: way it should it's not being flown needy enough. And 296 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 9: I kind of think we need to use it far 297 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 9: more extensively. But in the past there's been a reluctance 298 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 9: to get on a plane because of the potential attacks 299 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 9: back home of Wastern taxpayers money when we should be 300 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 9: off shore getting the maximum out of our trading eerationship. 301 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: I then, come on, that's an argument for fifteen years ago. 302 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: That's just bs. I was on that plane and I 303 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: reckon twenty fourty night. It was earlier than that, twenty twelve, 304 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: twenty twelve, and it broke down on us and we 305 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: laughed about it because it was already well known then 306 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: that it broke down on us. I mean, we're sweeted 307 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: this assic just get wouldn't fly it more? Winston, Come on, mate, 308 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: it's costing us thirty five million bucks a year just 309 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: to maintain it. And I don't think that's the problem. 310 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: I think it's everything's breaking. Four twenty three. 311 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper clan 312 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and new stalks. 313 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: That'd be Jerry Seinfeld. You will have seen the news 314 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 2: by now. Jerry Seinfeld has had a pro Palestinian protest 315 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: to turn up to one of his shows. I think 316 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: it was his Sydney show in Heckelim and he's like 317 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: had quite a crack at the protest. That Oli Peterson 318 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: will talk us through it when he's with us. In 319 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: about fourteen minutes. Some tough news that the Green Party 320 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 2: co leader Madame and Davidson revealed today. You will have 321 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: heard She's got breast cancer. She's gonna have a partial 322 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: mistectomy and start her treatment after Maturuqi, which I think 323 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: is next weekend, and then is expecting to be sort 324 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: of out of the picture for maybe four months or so. 325 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: It sounds like she caught it because she was at 326 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: a Pink Ribbon breakfast a couple of years back, and 327 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: while they were at the breakfast table, they were talking 328 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: about mammograms and stuff. She said that been a bit 329 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: of time since she'd had her last one, and they 330 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: insisted that she get on with it, and she says, 331 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: I want to thank them because I got into the 332 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: breast screening program because of their insistence, and she's now 333 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: using it, you know, to remind other women to check 334 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: their boobs as well. And I tell you what, women will. 335 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: It always works like this, Like King Charles with the 336 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: old cancer diagnosis, people will now women will now go 337 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: and act do this because of this. So good on 338 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: her for using it to try and help other people out, 339 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: and also best of luck to her. I hope she 340 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: comes out of it okay, because there's a tough tough 341 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: I've had family members go through it and it's a 342 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: tough thing to go through. The government has just announced 343 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: that they are going to allow granny flats in the 344 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: backyard without consent. Now I'm going to get you those. 345 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: This is Winston's announcement, but I'm pretty sure this is 346 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: a Chris Bishop thing. Chris Bishop will be with us 347 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: twenty five to six to talk us through it. But 348 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: in the meantime, I'll get you a few of the 349 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: details on it, because this can either well, my mom 350 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: should be grateful because I was going to put her 351 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: in the basement, So it's going to be a bit 352 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: warmer in the backyard, I think. But yeah, you can 353 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: see how this is going to be a good thing 354 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: for some and a really bad thing for others. So bearweth. 355 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: I'll get the details headlines. 356 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: Next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather first. Heather duper 357 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: c Allen drive with One New Zealand let's get connected 358 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: and youth talk z' bellll me. 359 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 10: So you can see. 360 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: These Heather, it's a shame that Madama Davidson chose to 361 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: politicize her cancer by alleging inequities on healthcare and health 362 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: care for Marty, even after acknowledging she's had excellent treatment. 363 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: Seems inequity has more to do with being proactive about 364 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: your health. Thinness and ethnicity. That's from Robin. There is 365 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: some some people are texting and saying, given that it's 366 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: a fast moving up for her, it's probably being done privately. 367 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: That's an inequity, isn't it. Right there, You've got the money, 368 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: you can pay for yourself to get healed real quick. 369 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: Barry Soopa will be with us in ten minutes time 370 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: after five o'clock. Now, just an update on the plane situation. 371 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: So the. 372 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: Well, imagine being on that in New Zealand flight A 373 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: you paid to go to Tokyo, and then nick minute 374 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: you find out that the chair and the CEO are 375 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: stuck in Brisbane now and they've got to do a 376 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: quick detour and swing by and pick them up. I'd 377 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: be like, I mean, I might be sort of like, 378 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: if I've had heaps of time, I'd be kind of 379 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: kind of thrilled by the excitement of it. But if 380 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: I was really tight on time with a toddler on, 381 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: I'll be really peeved off, wouldn't you. I'll be like, no, 382 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: dame to raise you can, in fact, you can stay 383 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: in Brisbane. I've bocked on this anyway. They swung by Brisbane, 384 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 2: they picked up Jason Walls and just before he called 385 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: us and he was like, yeah, I don't talk to 386 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: me right now. So just before he jumped on the plane, 387 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 2: we quickly recorded an interview just to get a bit 388 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: of a bit of an updown and where everything is, 389 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: and we're going to play that for you after five o'clock. 390 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: Here's the detail on making it easier to build the 391 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: granny flats. So what it basically means is you can 392 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: do it without consent if you've got a space in 393 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: your backyard. You can do it without consent if the 394 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: structure is less than sixty meters square, which is actually 395 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: a reasonably big thing for a granny flat, so that's 396 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: not bad. Already many district plans allow granny flats flats 397 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: to be built without consent, so it's not going to 398 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: be a huge change for a lot of people, but 399 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: it's just getting consistency across the country might save you 400 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: up to six and a half thousand dollars in the 401 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 2: cost of the consenting and stuff. It's going to go 402 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 2: to consultation. Now, this is my favorite bit about this. 403 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: You can do the consultation, provide your feedback by emailing 404 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: granny flats at mb dot govz we didn't even try 405 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: to make this grown up. We're just granny flats at 406 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: mb DO, govt dot in zed anyway. Good obviously, because 407 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 2: red tape is bad. And if you want to be 408 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: able to put a granny flat in your backyard and 409 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: you've got the space for it, I mean, like, let's 410 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: just make this thing easier to do. So that's good, 411 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: but bad potentially because what about if you've got people 412 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 2: who've got a huge backyard store, like build a village 413 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: of the how many can you build? 414 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: Like? 415 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 2: Can you build more than one? Because what if you've 416 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: got somebody building a village of them and then start 417 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 2: renting them out. Is that a good thing or is 418 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: that a bad thing? It might actually be a good 419 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 2: thing to try and deal with the housing crisis. Chris 420 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: berships with us on this in an hour's time, twenty 421 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: two away from five. 422 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: It's the World Wires on news Talks. It'd be drive. 423 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: The Chinese Premiere has met with Elbow in Canberra today. 424 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: Police have spent the day outside Parliament house keeping the 425 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 2: premier supporters and large group of protesters Apart. He's one 426 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: of the protesters and that's a. 427 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 10: Saying that every Tibetan born up to nineteen fifty nine 428 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 10: is a born activist. So the Tibetan myself, this is 429 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 10: my responsibility to come here and let the world and 430 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 10: Australia knowe that Lee Tongu is not welcome in Australia. 431 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: More. With Oli Peterson out of Australia, shortly eighty countries 432 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 2: have now signed a declaration supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity at 433 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: the summit in Switzerland. A number of countries, including India, 434 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia and South Africa attended the summit but refused 435 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: to sign. Russia obviously wasn't invited. The Ukrainian Foreign Minister 436 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: says this communicat is still an important step towards peace. 437 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: I cannot tell you when the war will end. 438 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 11: It's not in my hands, but I know that we 439 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 11: are making some major steps towards restoring just and lost 440 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 11: in peace. 441 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 12: These had took key words just and lasting, not a 442 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 12: peace at any expense. 443 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: And finally, a former reality TV contestant and model who 444 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: happens to be the son of a famous chef has 445 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: been jailed after his pants fell down during a burglary. 446 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: So this is Marco Pierre White Junior. He was on 447 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 2: brig Brother a few years ago. But he's fallen on 448 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: hard times and he broke into a cafe in the 449 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: early hours of the morning to take all of the 450 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: cash in the register. The trouble was when he was 451 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 2: trying to get back out through an open window, his 452 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: pants got caught and it pulled down and his big 453 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 2: butt was beard in front of the CCTV cameras. But 454 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 2: as butt is covered in tattoos, so the coppers had 455 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 2: to look at the tattoos on his butt and then 456 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: looked at the tattoos on the butt and on Marco's Instagram, 457 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: because that's what Marco does. He puts picture of his 458 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 2: butt on the Instagram and he's been given a custodial sentence. 459 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: International Correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind 460 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business. 461 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: Holly Peterson six PR PERF Life Presenters with Us. Hey, Ollie, 462 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: get ahead. How did it go with the Chinese premiere? 463 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 13: It's just weird, like international diplomacy in our relationship with 464 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 13: China is weird. It's really really odd how we roll 465 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 13: out the red car. But there are so many issues 466 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 13: at the moment between our two nations, but we just 467 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 13: stand there the Prime Minister sucking up to the premiere 468 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 13: of China about repairing those relationships. On the one hand, 469 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 13: you know, keep buying our iron or keep buying our wine, 470 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 13: but also we don't really want you to start talking 471 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 13: to our Pacific neighbors and get out of the South 472 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 13: China Sea. 473 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 2: So look the optics of this thing. And I understand 474 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to. 475 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 13: Be blase about it, Heather, but at the moment, as 476 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 13: we know, the relationship between Australia and China is not 477 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 13: anywhere here is what it was pre COVID. Let's just 478 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 13: be blunt about that. But at the moment we've just 479 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 13: got every possible scenario with a state reception in Canberra 480 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 13: going on as you and I speak, yesterday in Adelaide, 481 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 13: visiting the pandas at the Zoo, which, by the way, 482 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 13: those pandas are awesome. 483 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: But like it's just weird. 484 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 13: And then he comes to Perth tomorrow and he's going 485 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 13: to go visit a lithium refinery in Quannanna, which is 486 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 13: about an hour away here from Perth, so you know, 487 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 13: there's more stuff we can sell to China. It's just 488 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 13: really really odd at the moment. I think that's and 489 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 13: I understand why we're doing it. I understand that you 490 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 13: know they're a big trading partner, but it just doesn't 491 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 13: really fit in with the narrative between our two relations 492 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 13: at this stage. 493 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 2: Have you guys got over the snub because it was 494 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: a snub that they came to visit us first? Did 495 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: you realize that? 496 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 13: Oh? No, I wasn't aware of that, because I know 497 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 13: Jerry Seinfeld came here first to Perth before we went 498 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 13: to the rest. Is he coming to New Zealand crazy. 499 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 2: Just to take the Chinese money over Jerry's jokes? I 500 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 2: know which I take. But tell me about what happened. 501 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. 502 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 13: He was here in Perth on Saturday night, unbelievably good, 503 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 13: really fun. He go see him, but yes, last night 504 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 13: in Sydney. Now he's got a heckler who's going for him, 505 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 13: and he's going after Jerry Seinfeld, obviously linking it's a 506 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 13: pro Palestine heckler, obviously linking, of course, Jerry being a 507 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 13: Jewish comedian, saying that you're a Zionist, you support Zionism, 508 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 13: you support the killing of Palestinians, forty thousand people. They 509 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 13: had fifteen thousand children and here's a little of what 510 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 13: Jerry Seinfeld replied. 511 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 14: Tomorrow we will read in the paper Middle East one 512 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 14: hundred percent. 513 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: So thanks to man. 514 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: At the Trudo Serena stopping to comedian. 515 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 7: They stopped him and everyone. 516 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: In the Middle East went, oh my god, let's just 517 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 2: general law. So it's a comedy show. He said, you moron, 518 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: get out of here. 519 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 13: So he didn't want to try and get into the 520 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 13: politics of all of this, understandably and having seen his 521 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 13: show on Saturday night, he really steers clear of the 522 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 13: issues in the Middle East. He's funny, but this is 523 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 13: obviously making world wide headlines. 524 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: Now. 525 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 13: It was a good interaction from Jerry Seinfeld to be 526 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 13: honest in this pro Palestinian protest there. He didn't lose 527 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 13: his marbles or anything, but yeah, it was a heated exchange. 528 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 2: And said you last night, how much did it cost 529 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: you to get a ticket? Mine was contra Oh okay, 530 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 2: how much would it cost a normal counter to get out? 531 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 3: I don't I. 532 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 12: Think it's pretty expensive. 533 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 3: They sell that pretty quickly. 534 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 13: It's a few hundred bucks, but it's worth it, like 535 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 13: it's laugh out loud, funny eating here. 536 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 12: I don't really have a voice today. 537 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: So I laughed so hard. Oh okay, that's a pretty 538 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 2: good recommendation. Actually, hey, now okay, So what would the 539 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 2: Human Rights Commission have to do in intervening to stop 540 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: a cycle way being built? Why would they get involved? 541 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 13: Because this is nuts, Like, you know, we have people 542 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,239 Speaker 13: that obviously don't like houses being built next to them, 543 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 13: or the fact they might be a pub. 544 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 3: This might take the cake. 545 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 13: So Oxford Street and Sydney one of the busiest therapies 546 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 13: in the CBD. There are a. 547 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: Couple of when I say, a couple of about five people. 548 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 13: Have got together to write to the Australian Human Rights 549 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 13: Commission to say they want to stop the construction of 550 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 13: a cycle way because they believe it is discriminatory against 551 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 13: the elderly and the disabled. They are not happy about 552 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 13: the fact there's one particular bloke who has got some 553 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 13: vision impairment issues and that's obviously hard, difficult, and I'm 554 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 13: not trying to downplay the issues. It's some people obviously 555 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 13: face and their disabilities. But to ask the Australian Human 556 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 13: Rights Commission to intervene, they have looked back in Canada, 557 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 13: where the equivalent body in that nation decided to intervene 558 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 13: and the bus stop being constructed, and they got the 559 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 13: bus stop reconfigured, and it costs a lot more money. 560 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 13: I just think, if we're going all this way with 561 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:24,239 Speaker 13: Human Rights Commission about cycle ways on major thoroughfares, they 562 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 13: must have too much time on their hands. 563 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: Oh mate, don't they disband them. I'm all for that. Okay, Ollie, 564 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: thank you. I appreciate it. Olipedson six pr Perth Life presenter. 565 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 2: I reckon he wasn't talking about the Human Rights Commission 566 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: having too much time on their hands, But that's what 567 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: I chose to hear because I really dislike them intensely 568 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: hither at at least it's a sensible email address that 569 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 2: will make it easier. If Labor was still in power, 570 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: it'd probably be something like Fadair Cooier at MB dot 571 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: govt dot NZ bang On Sister sixteen away from. 572 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: Five Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get 573 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: payment certainty. 574 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: Arry so Per, Senior political correspondence with US Now, Hi, Barry, afternoon, 575 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 2: would you agree that it's time to just buy these 576 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: planes by new ones? 577 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 7: Well, you know the point that the Defense Minister Judith 578 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 7: Colin said, no prime minister wants to spend a lot 579 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 7: of money on something deemed to be nice to have. Well, 580 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 7: you'd have to raise the question is it nice to have? 581 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 7: Because there's nothing that gives you more pride in New 582 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 7: Zealand when you're traveling with the Prime Minister And I've 583 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 7: done it on the Air Force plan on many of 584 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 7: many occasions, having been grounded too on many occasions. But 585 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 7: when you fly in on a r n ZAF plane 586 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 7: and the Prime Minister steps off it, it really shows 587 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 7: you're not just waving the flag, you say, showing that 588 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 7: you're a pretty capable sort of a country. And to 589 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 7: that end, you know, I think that we should have 590 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 7: we should either that we used to lease planes from Quantas. 591 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 7: There's no we don't have enough plans at the end 592 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 7: New Zealand to lease. But you could do that. The 593 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 7: only problem is that the Quantus would probably have their 594 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 7: livery on the. 595 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: But it also doesn't get around the other use of 596 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: the plane, which is that the Defense Force uses this 597 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: plane to be able to go down to intact to 598 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: get and ship crew around, soldiers around and so on. 599 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 2: So you actually just need a plane, you need another 600 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: two planes? 601 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, you do, and you know, if we're going to 602 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 7: be viable. I mean, don't forget we did away with 603 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 7: all the skyhawks, so we diminished the strength of the 604 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 7: air force. Yeah, a number of years ago. And these 605 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 7: are they are for transporting troops. They don't just transport 606 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 7: to the Prime Minister and his entourage. And the entourage 607 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 7: of course includes journalists. And if a prime minister doesn't 608 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 7: have journalists on a trip, that is for the media 609 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 7: companies relatively cheap because they pay a bit of a 610 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 7: peppercorn seas. Yeah, and you know you they lose the 611 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 7: momentum for the trip. So publicity is very important to 612 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 7: them as well, and that's why they love traveling on 613 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 7: the plane with the media and all the others. 614 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, commercial is not an optioname, I would say, well 615 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 2: not if you need not if you need the Defense 616 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: Force to be using it as well. 617 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 7: Well, no, no, because the Defense Force has to have 618 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 7: some transportation. 619 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: What do you make of the granny flats announcement? 620 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 7: Well, it's really interesting, isn't it. Essentially Winston Peters, who's 621 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 7: the acting Prime Minister at the moment, he says, it's 622 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 7: unlocking the space in the backyards of family members. It 623 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 7: opens up the door to new ways of living, as 624 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 7: if you want granny and Grandad and the flat on 625 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 7: your property kids. But I guess it does. But look, 626 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 7: the interesting thing to me in all of this is 627 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 7: that the Resource Management Act is not going to stand 628 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 7: in the way of what they describe as minor residential units. 629 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 7: They'll be permitted with no longer requiring resource conceit and 630 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 7: that's going to be certainly a big plus. 631 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 4: Now. 632 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 7: The Housing Minister, who is standing beside Winston Peter's in 633 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 7: the news conference, he says something has to check when 634 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 7: it comes to house ownership in this country, and he 635 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 7: says he's determined to do something about it. 636 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 15: If we're going to be a property owning democracy, which 637 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 15: we used to be, we need to make housing more affordable. 638 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 15: And it is outrageous that average house prices in New 639 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 15: Zealand have risen faster than any other OECD country in 640 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 15: the last two decades. There are many reasons for that. 641 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 15: A big one is our planning system, which we are 642 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 15: sorting out and today's announcement is just one small parcel 643 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 15: of the wider planning reform we've got underway. And we 644 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 15: look back after twenty years and say we've got a 645 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 15: housing crisis. Well, hello, the RIMA is a big part 646 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 15: of the problem and we're fixing that. 647 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, and I say here here to that. But you 648 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 7: remember that it was impossible to get the last National 649 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 7: government to agree that there was a housing crisis. It 650 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 7: was very much to the forefront then, as it is 651 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 7: even worse now. 652 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: Do you agree with Chris Hopkins that this National lead 653 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: government's going to be a one term. 654 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 7: Well, he said, he told his party conference over the 655 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 7: weekend in Wellington. He said, there's also a vibe that 656 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 7: it's time for a change. I mean, give me a break. 657 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 7: Six months into a government, time for a change. 658 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: Was he not talking about the last night, No. 659 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 7: He's talking about this current government. And he said he's 660 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 7: been buoyed by the opinion polls that of course have 661 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 7: shown that the government's not particularly popular. They're not popular 662 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 7: because they have inherited what is a dreadful situation in 663 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 7: this country. The economy is on its knees at the 664 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 7: moment and it'll take some very hard decisions to get 665 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 7: it back to anywhere near at what it was, and 666 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 7: that will mean a lot of pain. So of course 667 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 7: people are disgruntled. The opinion polls to me at the 668 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 7: moment are absolutely irrelevant. It's later on then you take 669 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 7: notice of them. But hopefully for this government they got 670 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 7: some good policy. 671 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: Employee Hapkins has identified that the way to win the 672 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: next selection is to win back all clif How does 673 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: he win back Auckland. 674 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 7: Well, very very difficult. He blames the vote away from 675 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 7: certainly from the National Party from the Labor Party in 676 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 7: Auckland as being essentially because of the COVID lockdown in 677 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 7: the city. And you may remember that I said to 678 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 7: Dern at the time when I got back from Auckland 679 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 7: after that very long lockdown, get up to your own city. 680 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 7: You're a constituent MP there. She hadn't been here, and 681 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 7: she finally did the following week, but only spent it 682 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 7: half a day there, so you know, it's just no 683 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 7: commitment from Labor to the city. 684 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: Barry, thank you appreciated. That's Barry, So per se your 685 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: political correspondence seven away from five, putting. 686 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking breakfast. 687 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 14: Seven five seven. The PM's delegation of course stranded and 688 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 14: p Andng. He got to Japan last night commercially the 689 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 14: rest of the delegation get there tomorrow. Defense Minister Judith 690 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 14: Collins with us. 691 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 3: So what are we going to do? 692 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 14: I mean, you can't leave Greg Furan and Dame Teresa 693 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 14: Walsh stuck and p and GM. 694 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 3: It's just a joke. 695 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 14: Either you get some new planes or we need to 696 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 14: fly the Prime Minister as delegation commercially from here on. 697 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 3: And that's just the way it is. 698 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 5: What I needs for some of the options. No Prime 699 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,719 Speaker 5: Minister wants to spend an all sort of money on 700 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 5: something that's seen as nice to have by some people, 701 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 5: even though at this time when we've got a situation 702 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 5: we have to would be economy. 703 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 12: It is really. 704 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 5: Important the PM and business people tend it out. 705 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 14: Back tomorrow at six am. The mic asking breakfast with 706 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 14: Jaguine used. 707 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 9: To z B. 708 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, the granny flat probably won't include bathroom's a because 709 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 2: they have to be consented. We'll ask Chris Bishop about 710 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: that when he's with us now. Obviously wouldn't be a 711 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: press conference for Winston, you know, like it would be 712 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: a boring one of Winston and have a bit of 713 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: a niggle with the media. He was asked whether there's 714 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: any sort of media reform package being worked on. This 715 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: was his answer. 716 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 9: Well, I'm not the minister in charge, am I acting 717 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 9: Prime minister and someone who commented, but acting Prime minister 718 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 9: cannot remember everything. If you'd come and sent me a 719 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 9: text and now go segmon to answer this question, come 720 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 9: down here fully informed, having con minster or the two 721 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 9: ministers that are concerned. 722 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 16: I'm very vocal about it at the time. 723 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 9: Well, I want to disebmit in this country. I want 724 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 9: to make sure the fourth est state is a fourth 725 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 9: es state, and I want to make sure that the 726 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 9: essential part of any democracy being held accountable does exist. 727 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 9: I'm wanting to see a great fourth estate back in 728 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 9: this country. 729 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: To be fair to the media, and you know, I 730 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 2: love to give the press gallery a hard time, but 731 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: to be fair to the media, if you are the 732 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: acting Prime minister, you kind of have to know this 733 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 2: stuff because you are sitting in cabinet and the stuff 734 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 2: is coming up in cabinet and you can't be like, oh, 735 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 2: you should have sent me the questions beforehand. It doesn't 736 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: work like that. So actually the media got that one. 737 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 2: I love net safe to new idea. By the way, 738 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: we're going to talk to them about this in twenty minutes, 739 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: They've launched a scam buster, which is designed to basically 740 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: waste the scammer's time using AI. So basically works like this. 741 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: Straight you get an email from a scammer, what you 742 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: need to do is forward it to this particular email 743 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 2: address that they give you. It's me at rescam dot org. 744 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: And then the AI creates a fake persona and then 745 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 2: using chat GPT, it starts a never ending conversation with 746 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: the scammer, wasting as much of their time as possible, Because, 747 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 2: of course, it means the longer a scammer is talking 748 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: to a fake victim, the least time they've got to 749 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: be talking to a real victim. How good is that? 750 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 17: So? 751 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but just I'm just waiting for the scammers to 752 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: figure it out and then like scam the scat, scam, scam, 753 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: scam us't it? Do you know what I mean? Like 754 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 2: or kind of like find a way around it? Anyway, 755 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: nets Safe is with us in fifteen minutes time or thereabouts. 756 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 2: Jason Wall's next news talks EDB. 757 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions, 758 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis. 759 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: Heather Dupless the Elan drive with one New Zealand let's 760 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: get connected, and news Talk said, be good afternoon. 761 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: The business delegation and the media pack traveling with the 762 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: Prime ministers are both finally on the way to Japan. 763 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: The broken Defense Force plane flew them from Papa New 764 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: Guinea to Brisbane earlier but had to fly at a 765 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 2: lower altitude because of technical issues, and in New Zealand 766 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 2: Flight then picked up the stranded travelers in Brisbane is 767 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: now on the way to Japan. Now before they jumped 768 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: on board, we caught up with Political editor Jason Walls 769 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 2: Hi Jason. 770 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 12: Good afternoon, Heather, Jason. 771 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 2: Going from Papua New Guinea to Brisbane on this broken 772 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 2: down plane, was the plane flying noticeably lower and slower? 773 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 12: Yes, I mean that was what we were told beforehand. 774 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 12: It was the port that we could get to where 775 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 12: the plane was able to move at this sort of altitude. 776 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 12: If we wanted to go any further, we would have 777 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,439 Speaker 12: to take multiple stops. And look, I'm I'm no airplane nuts, 778 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 12: but I did notice that we were flying a lot 779 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 12: lower than we were when we were going over to PNG. 780 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 2: Was the Business delegation or is the Business delegation paved 781 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: off at this like, are they saying anything about it? 782 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 12: Oh, listen, they're not speaking to us publicly, but we're 783 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 12: getting a sense that there is obviously some irritation In 784 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 12: some of the conversations that I've picked up along the way, 785 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 12: there are some grumbled words about how this has shifted 786 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 12: the focus and has been a distraction. And you can't 787 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 12: really blame them for feeling upset about that sort of thing, 788 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 12: because it is a distraction. This has shifted the focus, 789 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 12: and they've got ever right to be upset. I mean, 790 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 12: Chris Luxon, in his defense, did put together what was 791 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 12: a very good business delegation to kick down some of 792 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,919 Speaker 12: these doors and get some more business and some hype 793 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 12: up some more trade. And that's just the winds being 794 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 12: completely taken out of the sales in that regard. 795 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 2: How much of a delay is this causing the people 796 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 2: who are actually paying to be on this flight over 797 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 2: to Japan, who are now detouring to pick you guys up. 798 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 12: Oh well, yes, I mean it's probably I'm close to 799 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 12: two three hours, I would say, and we're just about 800 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 12: to get on the plane, and I'm not looking forward 801 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 12: to the frosty reception that we're going to get from 802 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 12: all the people that paid good money to get across 803 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 12: to Japan and having to be diverted to pick us up. 804 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 12: But you know, the tab seems to have been picked 805 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 12: up by the government and Air New Zealand. They're going 806 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 12: to be looking at how that invoicing system works. So 807 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 12: at the end of the day, you, me and all 808 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 12: other taxpayers are paying for this one. 809 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 2: Would this have happened if Dame to Raise, the chair 810 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 2: and Greg four and the CEO weren't on the flight. 811 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 12: Oh, I highly doubt it. I mean the credit where 812 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 12: credit's due. Todd McLay has worked extremely well behind the 813 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 12: scenes pulling this together. When the Prime Minister ditched us 814 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 12: in p ANDNG and gone and is Modicaid without telling 815 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 12: us and just shipped off to Japan, he left Todd 816 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 12: McLay in charge who was able to put together this 817 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 12: deal with Air New Zealand and Greg Forum and Dame 818 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 12: Raise were their instrumental to that getting it across the line. 819 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 12: So you know, it's they've made the best of a 820 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 12: really bad situation. And I think credit where credits due 821 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 12: in that regard. 822 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, any sense of what the government is going to 823 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 2: do in the future though, because they can not keep 824 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 2: doing this. This is ridiculous. 825 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 12: Oh, it is ridiculous. It makes us look ridiculous on 826 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 12: a global scale. The prime minister of a sovereign nation 827 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 12: can't turn up to meetings because this plane keeps breaking down, 828 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 12: and it's getting to be it's getting to seem somewhat 829 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 12: of an international joke at this stage. That can't continue. 830 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 12: But Heather, we said that the last time this happened 831 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 12: and the time before that, and I get the sense 832 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 12: that there's continuously being kicked to touch here and there 833 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 12: needs to be some serious questions around what we do next, 834 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 12: whether it is chartering planes or if it's just a 835 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 12: fully commercial option, and that'll be top of mind when 836 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 12: the Prime Minister is looking at things, because if anybody 837 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 12: is upset today, it's the prime minister who's been hugely 838 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 12: embarrassed by this situation. 839 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 2: Jason, thank you very much. That was Jason Wool's, our 840 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 2: political editor, which spoke to before he jumped on that plane. 841 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 3: Here the duplessy Ellen now Green. 842 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 2: Party co leader Madam M Davidson has today announced she's 843 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 2: got breast cancer. She says the cancer was detected early earlier, 844 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 2: but she is going to need a partial mistake to me, 845 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 2: and then she's going to need to take some time 846 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 2: off work. She also says she's kept up with her 847 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 2: testing religiously ever since attending a breast cancer fundraising breakfast 848 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: a couple of years back, and was. 849 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 18: Actually there at the breakfast table that other survivors really 850 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 18: impressed upon me that I was late to have my mammogram, 851 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 18: and I want to thank them because I got into 852 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 18: the breast screening program because of their insistence. 853 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 2: She also says she wants cancer screenings to be more 854 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 2: widely available. 855 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 18: All of our health programs and our screening programs do 856 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 18: not are not effective in every community the way that they. 857 00:37:59,560 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 19: Need to be. 858 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 2: Arleen Rainer is chief executive of the Breast Cancer Foundation. 859 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: Hi Aleen, Hi, how are you doing well? Thank you? 860 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 2: Were you at that breakfast a couple of years ago? 861 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 20: I was at that breakfast a couple of years ago. 862 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 2: Were you part of that conversation? 863 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 20: I wasn't at Madamore's table, but Matima was there. She 864 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 20: had a photo taken about screening. So at that stage, 865 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 20: we were campaigning for the screening age to be raised 866 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 20: to seventy four and to clear the backlog of COVID screening. 867 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 20: Since the COVID backlog, is she. 868 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 2: Right to say that not everyone can access testing services easily. 869 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 20: That's correct. We take it for granted and major metropolitan 870 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 20: areas that screening is readily accessible. If you're regionally or 871 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,720 Speaker 20: located at hard to reach places, breastcreen Art hetoa provided 872 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 20: mobile units that service screening. But if you missed those 873 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 20: times in terms of screening times where those mobile units 874 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 20: are available in your community, what that means is you'll 875 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 20: have to travel, and for some people that could be 876 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 20: a three hour trip there and it could be a 877 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 20: three hour trip back. So it is not equitable in 878 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 20: terms of access, and we know that, which is why 879 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 20: they are planned to place to look at what we 880 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 20: can do to support. 881 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 2: Do you expect that there will be an uptick in 882 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 2: women who get their boobs checked as a result. 883 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 20: I sincerely hopeful of that because Matima has been exceptionally 884 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 20: courageous talking about her diagnosis. Anyone that brings attention to 885 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 20: breast cancer and the early detection and mammogram screening is 886 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 20: so important because early detection is what makes the chances 887 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 20: of surviving breast cancer so much higher. 888 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 4: Yeah. 889 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Arleen, thank you so much. I really appreciate time. Mate. 890 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 2: That's Arleen Rayner, Breast Cancer Foundation Chief executive. 891 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 3: Together for see Alan either. 892 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 2: The longest time I've had a phone scammer on the 893 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 2: phone was twenty minutes. It was hilarious because everyone in 894 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 2: the and the office could hear them because I had 895 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 2: him on speak of him. I feel like Dean does 896 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 2: what I do. I feel like it's my public duty 897 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 2: scammer gets hold of me to just keep them on 898 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 2: the phone as long as possible. And I try because 899 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 2: I figure that every minute that I waste of their time, 900 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 2: they're not calling up some old nana and fleecing her 901 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 2: for cash. So what I do is I just ask 902 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 2: in nain questions. I just go like, what did you say? 903 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 2: Can you repeat that? 904 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 5: Love? 905 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 2: And they just keep going because they think that they 906 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 2: think they've got you. Try it out. It's also kind 907 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 2: of like mildly amusing, and it doesn't actually need to 908 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 2: stop you doing the work that you're doing, Like you 909 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 2: can continue to do whatever it is that you're doing 910 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 2: and playing on your phone or whatever, you know, watching TV, 911 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 2: reading a book. You just need to occasionally just give 912 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 2: them a little tidbit like ha, and then they just 913 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 2: carry on anyway, we're going to The reason I'm telling 914 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 2: you this is because we're going to talk to net 915 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 2: Safe about it very shortly. They're little scam busting thing 916 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 2: where they waste time as well. Pretty crazy thing out 917 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 2: of Wellington in the papers this weekend. This is Wellington 918 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 2: City Council. The Chief Executives has issued some new rules. 919 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 2: She said, they are new rules. There's a restriction now 920 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 2: on what advice official counselors elected councilors are allowed to see. 921 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 2: The new code says that the elected councilors can only 922 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 2: get information from the officials on decisions that are still 923 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 2: coming right, so upcoming decisions. They can't ask for information 924 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 2: that it led to previous decisions. So if they want 925 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 2: to understand what's already gone on, like how did we 926 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,399 Speaker 2: get to the point where the reading cinema deal happened 927 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 2: to whatever, they're not allowed to ask for retrospective stuff. Weird. 928 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 2: That's weird. It's also weird that counselors were not consulted 929 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 2: on the rules. So Barbara M. Mckerro just wrote the 930 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 2: rules apparently and was like these are the new rules. 931 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 2: Live with them. And also she introduced them in October 932 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 2: and then only told the councilors about them in mid April. 933 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 2: Now this is weird and wrong and someone needs to 934 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 2: step in here and tell her to pull her head 935 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 2: in because this is not how it works. The councilors 936 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 2: are the ones who are elected democratically. They are the 937 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 2: ones who get the final say. The chief executive does 938 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 2: not get the final say. She is unelected. She works 939 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 2: for the ratepayers and she basically that means works for 940 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 2: the councilors. This has repeatedly been said to me as 941 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 2: being a problem in Wellington City Council. That old mate 942 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 2: Barbara thinks she's running the show and apparently does have 943 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 2: the ability to do this kind of stuff. She's got 944 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 2: too much power. Case in point. Hopefully they fix it shortly. 945 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 2: Otherwise same in. Can we just get some commissioners in 946 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 2: because it feels like I really need it. It feels 947 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 2: like not only the elected council needs it, but Barbara 948 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 2: needs it. To quarter past here, the diverting that plane 949 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 2: to Brisbane to pick up those people would have added 950 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 2: at least five hours plus the stop over to that 951 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 2: triple tae. What if I was on the flight to Japan. 952 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 2: HM wouldn't be terribly happy about that. Nikola Willis is 953 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 2: going to be with US Finance Minister after six o'clock. 954 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 2: We'll have a chat to her about whether she's up 955 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 2: for buying a new plane, because obviously we need to 956 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 2: have that, and we need to have that. Never mind 957 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 2: the conversation, let's just do it. And also there will 958 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 2: be a delay, right, so we probably want to put 959 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 2: in an order now in order to be able to 960 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 2: get it in a couple of years or thereabouts. Chat 961 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 2: to her after six. It's nineteen past five now. Net 962 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,800 Speaker 2: Safe has just launched the new tool to deal with scammers. 963 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 2: It's an AI chatbot and basically how it works is 964 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 2: you forward them the scam email. They then strike up 965 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 2: a never end in conversation with a scammer using chat 966 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 2: GPT And obviously what they're trying to do is waste 967 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 2: as much time as possible of the scammers in order 968 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 2: to stop them targeting other people. Brink Carrie is, the 969 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 2: net Safe CEO, is with us. Now hey, bring hey Eva, 970 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 2: do you know if this is going to work as 971 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 2: anybody else doing. 972 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 21: This are weekeded in twenty seventeen and wasted five years 973 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,720 Speaker 21: of scammers time, and we know that it works already. 974 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 21: We sent a one nine hundred and sixty seven emails 975 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 21: and wasted six days of scammers time day one. 976 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 2: How long before the scammers just give up on the 977 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 2: conversation and realize it's wasting their time. 978 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 21: Well, I've got one on the hook, which come up 979 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 21: to sixty two back and forwards, so it takes them 980 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 21: a wild to come on. So I think that's the 981 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 21: never ending game of cat and mouse, which sort of 982 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,399 Speaker 21: appeals to the are you. 983 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 2: I think, are you taking a perverse pleasure out of 984 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,879 Speaker 2: dipping in occasionally just to see how much time they're 985 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 2: spending on this? 986 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 21: Well, I would like to create lots of different personas. 987 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 21: The one I'm using at the moment is Gordon very 988 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 21: contrary because she just says the opposite and has them. 989 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 4: On the hook. 990 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 21: So, yeah, you two have a little bit of fun, 991 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,280 Speaker 21: but there's a serious message to around what are the scammers' 992 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 21: tactics and can we get more information out of the 993 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 21: end to bust the scammers? 994 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 2: Oh, so you're actually also bleeding them for info to 995 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,879 Speaker 2: understand what they are doing. 996 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 21: Absolutely, and we're able to give individuals their own individual link, 997 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 21: and you too can follow along under replay at re 998 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,399 Speaker 21: scam you. 999 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 2: Can watch your scammer being scammed. 1000 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 21: You can, and that's advant that's a development from when 1001 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 21: we first launched it back in twenty seventeen, so you 1002 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 21: can play along as well. 1003 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 2: Do you imagine that at some point the scammers are 1004 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 2: going to cotton on that this is happening and find 1005 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:49,760 Speaker 2: a work around. 1006 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 21: We AI is getting really good at limoking your personal behaviors, 1007 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 21: so we just need to gather more information and try 1008 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 21: and stay step. 1009 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:01,359 Speaker 4: Ahead of them. 1010 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 21: Yeah, there will be on bot scans. We can see 1011 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 21: that as well, and that's entertaining in itself. 1012 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 2: Brent, thank you so much for talking us through and 1013 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 2: best of luck with enjoying that as Brent carry net 1014 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,800 Speaker 2: Safe CEO. Heather, they should probably buy a new fory 1015 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 2: for the cook straight before they buy a new plane. 1016 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 2: There's a fair point. Pete five to twenty one. 1017 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need, 1018 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: Heather du to see Allen drive with one New Zealand 1019 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: let's get connected and new talk as they'd be. 1020 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 2: It's twenty four past five. Are Chris Bishop's going to 1021 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 2: be with us in about ten minutes, maybe more like 1022 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 2: twelve minutes time. Now, listen, Do you think that the 1023 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 2: primary Teachers' Union actually believes it when they say out 1024 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 2: loud that we should not bring back annual tests for 1025 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 2: the kids because it's going to make the kids feel 1026 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 2: stressed out. Do you think they actually really believe that 1027 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 2: when they say that, because I don't believe that. I mean, well, 1028 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I do. I mean, I think that 1029 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 2: any test stresses anyone out just a little bit. But 1030 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 2: I don't think that's a good reason not to bring 1031 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 2: a test in. I mean, if I had to decide 1032 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 2: which is more important knowing if the kids can read 1033 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,959 Speaker 2: or write properly or worrying about them being a little 1034 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 2: bit stressed. The stress comes in a dist and second, 1035 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 2: doesn't it, Because obviously, an education is one of the 1036 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 2: most important things you can give a child. It's so 1037 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 2: important that many things come a distance second to the education. 1038 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 2: And also, welcome to the real world. You want to 1039 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 2: be successful, There's going to be a little bit of 1040 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,719 Speaker 2: a test along the way. It's gonna be a little 1041 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,760 Speaker 2: bit stressful. You may as well start learning that at school. 1042 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,880 Speaker 2: So if the rest of us don't believe that argument, 1043 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,760 Speaker 2: and I'd say most of us don't believe that argument. 1044 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 2: Do we really think the teachers' unions who are saying 1045 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 2: that believe it. No, I don't think that they believe that. 1046 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 2: I think they've got a completely different motivation here. What 1047 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 2: you need to understand this debate, because this will keep 1048 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 2: on going until the government actually forces this on the teachers. 1049 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 2: What you need to understand this, What you need to 1050 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,399 Speaker 2: know to understand it is that this is a thing 1051 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,280 Speaker 2: around the world. Unions around the world oppose standardized testing 1052 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,919 Speaker 2: of kids, and the reason they do is because they're 1053 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 2: worried that we will use those tests to start proving 1054 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 2: which teachers are good teachers and which teachers are bad teachers, 1055 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 2: and they're worried that that will then lead to something else, 1056 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 2: whether that's good teachers getting promoted and bad teachers not 1057 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 2: getting promoted, or perhaps we start coming around to the 1058 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 2: idea of paying the very good teachers more, which means 1059 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 2: the bad teachers just stay on their existing pay and 1060 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 2: don't get lifted as well. And that whatever we do 1061 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 2: in those in those kinds of lines, that is a 1062 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 2: threat to the union because for the union to survive, 1063 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 2: all teachers need to be treated exactly the same under 1064 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 2: the collective employment contract, so you cannot have the test 1065 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 2: start to set out any kinds of differences between teachers. 1066 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 2: So understand this when you hear this debate. Unions are 1067 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 2: not advocating for the best interests of your child. Unions 1068 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 2: are not even advocating for the best interests of teachers. 1069 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 2: They are only interested primarily in one thing, their own survival. 1070 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 3: Togever Duplicllen. 1071 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 2: Now, apparently Greg Furan has has said that he will 1072 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 2: be spending the flight to Japan personally apologizing to passengers 1073 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,719 Speaker 2: for the inconvenience of divers to pick up the trade delegation. 1074 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 2: He is not going to be in business class like 1075 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,959 Speaker 2: you thought he would be. He's in row sixty six, 1076 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 2: right next to the loop. But I want to know 1077 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,319 Speaker 2: where Dame Terreise is because the chair is on this 1078 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 2: trip as well. And I bet you the Dame Therese 1079 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 2: is in business class, isn't she Because she's a big deal. 1080 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 2: She has a big deal. Greg has people to impress 1081 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,800 Speaker 2: Dame to raise does not, so Dame Therees will be 1082 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 2: sitting up the front. She'll be enjoying her bubbles and 1083 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 2: her canapes and her horse dooveries and she'll be like, 1084 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 2: oh is there, where's Greg? Oh? Seat sixty six? Who cares? 1085 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,759 Speaker 2: What about the drama on Ponsonby Road at the weekend. Now, 1086 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 2: I actually heard that happen on Saturday night and then 1087 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,759 Speaker 2: woke up to the news on Sunday. But I reckon 1088 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 2: the police have got the timing wrong on this, because 1089 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 2: I reckon it was actually before ten that this happened. 1090 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,360 Speaker 2: I heard the lights and sirens. I didn't hear the 1091 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,360 Speaker 2: lights obviously, I heard the sirens. I reckon about quarters 1092 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 2: to ten or thereabouts. And the reason I noticed it 1093 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 2: was because normally the coppers lots of coppers around this 1094 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 2: part of the world, ponson because it's rough, you know, 1095 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,880 Speaker 2: like people get killed there all the time, and stuff 1096 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 2: like that happened the other day, you know. Anyway, lots 1097 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 2: of police around there and stuff, but they never use 1098 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,280 Speaker 2: the sirens in the residential area. They largely just travel 1099 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,200 Speaker 2: quietly because they're just aware of people living around there. Anyway, 1100 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 2: the sirens going off was a weird thing to hear, 1101 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 2: so had to look at what happened the next day. 1102 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 2: I don't know if you noticed this, because this kind 1103 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 2: of this slipped under the radar for most of the 1104 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 2: media reporting on it. One witness to the incident said 1105 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,280 Speaker 2: that they heard a series of bangs at least five, 1106 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 2: and then one media outlet reported that afterwards a witness 1107 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,239 Speaker 2: heard give me the gun. So just if the kids 1108 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 2: say to you this weekend, oh man, I'm just going 1109 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,759 Speaker 2: to go down their road to Ponsiber Road, just be 1110 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,239 Speaker 2: like woaha, ho, whoa why are you going to Ponsonby Road? 1111 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 2: There are people packing pistols in Ponsonby Road. It kind 1112 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,879 Speaker 2: of I'd be honest with you. It freaks me out, 1113 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,840 Speaker 2: ever so slightly because that was just around the corner 1114 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 2: from our house. Anyway, thoughts and prayers to all of 1115 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,719 Speaker 2: us living on the rough streets of Ponsby. News is next. 1116 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in 1117 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: your car on. 1118 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 3: Your drive home. 1119 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 1: Heather due to see allan drive with one New Zealand. 1120 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk Z b. 1121 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 3: Hither. 1122 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 2: I'm a teacher. You just reminded me I want to 1123 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,920 Speaker 2: cancel my NZIDYI membership O DZ. You're more than welcome, Mark. 1124 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 2: I'll keep providing your reminders every time the opportunity arises, 1125 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,359 Speaker 2: just to make sure that you actually do it. Look, 1126 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 2: I've had a text from me in New Zealand saying 1127 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 2: Dame Terres is in fact next to Greg in Rose 1128 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 2: sixty six. So I was wrong. They are not sitting 1129 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 2: She's not sitting up the front having the cannapace and 1130 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,359 Speaker 2: the odervs Oh, my apologies. Comes the second text. They're 1131 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 2: both in Rose sixty five dn E. So I was like, cow, 1132 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 2: I'm not just going to take this from me in 1133 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 2: New Zealand without double checking it. So I've gone through 1134 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 2: like the whole of finding out what the metal is 1135 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 2: that they're flying on, going to the seat Guru looking 1136 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,800 Speaker 2: at it, and yes, I can confirm that seat sixty 1137 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,280 Speaker 2: five E and D are like the really stink seats 1138 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,400 Speaker 2: in the Economy that they're so stink that on seat 1139 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,280 Speaker 2: Guru they flash up red to tell you don't book 1140 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,840 Speaker 2: the seat. Seat sixty five E is an Economy class 1141 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,600 Speaker 2: seat in the last row of the plane. The close proximity, 1142 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,840 Speaker 2: proximity to the lava trees and the galley behind maybe bothersome. 1143 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 2: So you gotta give. You've got to give Greg and 1144 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:34,799 Speaker 2: to raise some. 1145 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 16: Can either of them get up to go to the 1146 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 16: toilet without getting their seat and able to stand up first. 1147 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 2: Because it's no and if Greg was the if Greg 1148 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 2: was the gentleman that I suspect that he is, he's 1149 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 2: going to be in the middle one. So every time 1150 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 2: he needs to go, he's dame to raise has to 1151 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 2: like and he won't be host to that. 1152 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,880 Speaker 16: He'll have to wake the chair up to climb over it. 1153 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,880 Speaker 16: He'll be like, we'll sit there holding his bladder. 1154 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 2: Came majesty, I need to go again, especially after all 1155 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,680 Speaker 2: the bubbles that they'll have. They they'll be like, bring 1156 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,360 Speaker 2: them down, bring them down, because frankly, you'd you'd be 1157 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 2: getting the bubbles in from business class if you were 1158 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,279 Speaker 2: stuck back there, wouldn't you in that very last sea, the. 1159 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,080 Speaker 16: Whole plane, I would hope for diverting. 1160 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,080 Speaker 2: It actually great. That is you should be in charge 1161 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 2: of your new Zealander. Is the way you're carrying on, 1162 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 2: you're going to bankrupt them. But we're going to load 1163 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 2: me sixty five ce huddle standing by twenty two away from. 1164 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,720 Speaker 3: Six ever do for ce Allen. 1165 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,800 Speaker 2: The Government's announced it's making it easier to build a 1166 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 2: granny flat by changing the rules so any structure up 1167 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 2: to sixty square meters will not need consent. The government 1168 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 2: is beginning consultation today with the aim to have the 1169 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 2: law changed by midnext year. Chris Bishop as the Housing Minister, 1170 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,120 Speaker 2: high bish Hello, is there a big demand for this? 1171 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,040 Speaker 6: I think there's going to be a massive demand. I 1172 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,799 Speaker 6: get people probably emailing me, I don't know, at least 1173 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,120 Speaker 6: every month or so saying how do we make it 1174 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,239 Speaker 6: easiest to build a small granny flat out the back 1175 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 6: of my property. I want to do it. I want 1176 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,799 Speaker 6: to put grand grandma or granddad or you know, you've 1177 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,520 Speaker 6: got families with teenage daughters at the back, university kids, 1178 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,319 Speaker 6: you know. I think it's going to appeal to a 1179 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,200 Speaker 6: lot of different people, and it's about housing supply. Fundamentally. 1180 00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,759 Speaker 6: Our problems are we don't have enough housands and you 1181 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,279 Speaker 6: know smaller property square meters them below that they can 1182 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 6: be pil a solution. 1183 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,800 Speaker 2: And what about the land that they're plumked onto. Is 1184 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,400 Speaker 2: there a requirement for how big that has to be 1185 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:07,200 Speaker 2: out in the backyard. 1186 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:08,520 Speaker 21: Yeah. 1187 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:13,800 Speaker 6: The discussion document's got some proposals in there around site 1188 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:19,279 Speaker 6: coverage where we're consulting on sixty et cetera. But the 1189 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,360 Speaker 6: key point is that once we get the finer details 1190 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 6: worked out. You won't need a resource consent and you 1191 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,720 Speaker 6: won't need a building consent as long as you comply 1192 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,960 Speaker 6: with the building code and you need a license and 1193 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,400 Speaker 6: you've got a licensed building practitioner doing the building. 1194 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 2: Somebody text in earlier and said it will still need 1195 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,800 Speaker 2: some sort of consent because you've got to consent the bathroom. 1196 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:38,560 Speaker 2: Is that true. 1197 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 6: No, you won't need a building consent for the bathroom 1198 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 6: as long as you comply with the rules around complying 1199 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,759 Speaker 6: with the building code and getting a licensed building practitioners 1200 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,360 Speaker 6: a supervisor work or do the work. You will have 1201 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,960 Speaker 6: an extemption from the Building Act. We're going to change 1202 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 6: the water allow that. 1203 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:55,840 Speaker 21: To take place. 1204 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 2: Is there any limit on how many of these granny 1205 00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,440 Speaker 2: flats you can build on one property? 1206 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,319 Speaker 6: Yes, just one, so you just all have one. So 1207 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 6: this is not a free for all where you can 1208 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,120 Speaker 6: put five out the back. Those are that that you 1209 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,080 Speaker 6: know the different rules regarding that. This is just about 1210 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 6: a small or sixty square meter or below structure out 1211 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,400 Speaker 6: the back of your property or on your property. You 1212 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,640 Speaker 6: won't need a resuurce concent. That for the world and 1213 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 6: some councils it's just not consistent across the country. So 1214 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 6: we'll be making it mandatory and required across the count 1215 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,879 Speaker 6: across the country for both rural and residential councils. And 1216 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,879 Speaker 6: then once we change the Building Act, you won't need 1217 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,399 Speaker 6: a building consent either. 1218 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,360 Speaker 2: Do you imagine that there's going to be a bit 1219 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,480 Speaker 2: of blowback from neighbors who maybe don't want this kind 1220 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 2: of density? 1221 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,359 Speaker 6: I hope not, to be honest. I mean, we're talking 1222 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 6: about single story, quite small dwellings here that you don't 1223 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,359 Speaker 6: really have an impact on anybody. Uh, these are these 1224 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 6: are these are structures designed to get more people in warm, 1225 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 6: dry houses and that's fundamentally what they needs more of. 1226 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:54,880 Speaker 6: And so that's what we're doing today. 1227 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,920 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. Chris really appreciated. 1228 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,960 Speaker 2: Chris Bishop, the Housing Minister. 1229 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,879 Speaker 1: What the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty exceptional 1230 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,840 Speaker 1: marketing for every property. 1231 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,760 Speaker 2: On the huddle with me this evening we have Trishurson Shurson, 1232 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,680 Speaker 2: Willis pr and Joseph Gani Child Fund CEO, Hello you too. 1233 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,120 Speaker 2: Hello hello Trish. It's time to buy a couple of 1234 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,320 Speaker 2: new planes, isn't it? 1235 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,799 Speaker 17: It absolutely is. I was thinking today, you know, how 1236 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,360 Speaker 17: much how much worse is it that not only do 1237 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,040 Speaker 17: you not arrive on time, but what arrives before you 1238 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,480 Speaker 17: is a headline that says you've broken down on the 1239 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,799 Speaker 17: side of the road. It's pretty ridiculous. 1240 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:34,840 Speaker 2: I think you're also. 1241 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,200 Speaker 17: Remembering that the role of these planes isn't just getting 1242 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,439 Speaker 17: the Prime Minister and delegations around the place. It's also 1243 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 17: troop movements. So my question also is if these planes 1244 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,520 Speaker 17: are so unreliable, you know what happens if we need 1245 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 17: to urgently send troops overseas and the old Boeing, you know, 1246 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,759 Speaker 17: once again it can't fly at the right altitude and 1247 00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,160 Speaker 17: at the right speed. 1248 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,880 Speaker 2: It is it is or getting somebody back from Antarctica 1249 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,960 Speaker 2: who needs to be retrieved with the Boeing. It's only 1250 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,840 Speaker 2: the Boeing's not flying it as a medical emergency. I 1251 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,919 Speaker 2: wouldn't want to be taking a punt with that, Jose, 1252 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:06,640 Speaker 2: what do you think? 1253 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,399 Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean I've been on these trips before, as 1254 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 22: many of us have, and the real value of them. 1255 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 22: I mean, the Prime Minister is always the kind of 1256 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 22: pr front person and you know, doing all the handshaking 1257 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,560 Speaker 22: and but really the work is the people who's with 1258 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,240 Speaker 22: the Prime Minister, who's meeting with business delegations and making 1259 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,040 Speaker 22: networks and working out how to sell Kiwi fruit to 1260 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,400 Speaker 22: China or you know, aerospace to Japan. You know, you 1261 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,280 Speaker 22: come and use our aerospace company in christ Church or whatever. 1262 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 22: That's where the value is to New Zealand. So yeah, 1263 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,839 Speaker 22: this is an absolute disaster really, But I've actually got 1264 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,120 Speaker 22: a better solution to this because I've mean, the problem 1265 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,440 Speaker 22: is it's really hard politically to spend you know, millions 1266 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,560 Speaker 22: of dollars on planes, and then it costs money to 1267 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 22: fly commercially, so that's also an expense. I mean, are 1268 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,799 Speaker 22: you always going to spend money? But I reckon they 1269 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 22: could do a deal with their New Zealand you know, 1270 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,640 Speaker 22: a commercial plane that Air New Zealand can keep flying 1271 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 22: because that you only use these planes for delegations and 1272 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,399 Speaker 22: even troop movements. Trush, You're right, you don't use them 1273 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 22: that often, and then you can have the right to 1274 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,520 Speaker 22: sort of gut the plane and make it accessible for 1275 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,720 Speaker 22: troops or put the chairs back in and make it 1276 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,240 Speaker 22: good for a promise's delegation. Do you just charter an 1277 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,200 Speaker 22: Air New Zealand plane and it can fly in between 1278 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:23,440 Speaker 22: all the events. 1279 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 2: I mean, that's yeah. If it was, I mean, I 1280 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,880 Speaker 2: suspet it's going to be logistically hard, but if they 1281 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,520 Speaker 2: can make it work, it's totally viable. But here's the thing, Trush, right, 1282 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,000 Speaker 2: So apparently the reason the government will not do this 1283 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,840 Speaker 2: is because there will be this massive resistance and blowback 1284 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 2: from the public. But every single person who's been on 1285 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 2: the show today it's been fine about it. So is 1286 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,200 Speaker 2: there really going to be that much hatred? 1287 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,480 Speaker 17: I mean, I don't think there is. If you put 1288 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 17: this in the context of what these planes are needed for. 1289 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,760 Speaker 17: Good grief, the last government wasted eighty million dollars without 1290 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,160 Speaker 17: even you know, breaking a sweat most days. So I 1291 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,280 Speaker 17: think it's fine if the government just needs to stand 1292 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,920 Speaker 17: up and say, hey, look, this is this is an 1293 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,880 Speaker 17: absolute nonsense. We're going to spend the money. To your point, 1294 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,040 Speaker 17: it's probably at least a couple of years away until 1295 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,760 Speaker 17: we can get these planes, and so that's an issue 1296 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,400 Speaker 17: in itself. But you know, the other thing is for 1297 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,480 Speaker 17: New Zealanders, this doesn't feel good. It feels really crappy 1298 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,320 Speaker 17: and embarrassing. 1299 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,960 Speaker 2: It's such a reminder of how poor. 1300 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,000 Speaker 17: We are well and that is exactly what someone you know, 1301 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,160 Speaker 17: at least one, if not several people said to me today. 1302 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:32,720 Speaker 17: It just is it's kind of the metaphor for a 1303 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,000 Speaker 17: country at the moment that feels like everything's a bit shit, 1304 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:37,720 Speaker 17: to be honest. 1305 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,560 Speaker 22: Everything and also just everything's broken, right. It just feels 1306 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,960 Speaker 22: like we can't even get on a plane with the 1307 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,320 Speaker 22: Prime Minister and arrive with a delegation to a country. 1308 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 22: We're just like stranded in the middle of Psific and 1309 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,400 Speaker 22: you know, so everything's broken. You're right, it's the worst metaphor. 1310 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,400 Speaker 22: Weird that the Prime Minister didn't front the delegation. I 1311 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,320 Speaker 22: thought that was a missed opportunity because right now, you know, 1312 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:00,240 Speaker 22: you just said. 1313 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,200 Speaker 2: Was in a hurry, no Josie to get on the 1314 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 2: next flight. 1315 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,360 Speaker 22: But don't you just don't you just go in and say, guys, 1316 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,520 Speaker 22: this is what's happening. Blah blah blah. I mean, if 1317 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,280 Speaker 22: Greg and the board chair of their New Zealand, you know, 1318 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,560 Speaker 22: Dame Lady Dame Trey's getting, if they can sit in 1319 00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,280 Speaker 22: row sixty five and look at the publicity, Oh my god, 1320 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,240 Speaker 22: that's probably the best publicity that New Zealand's had all years. 1321 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,479 Speaker 22: The CEO and the chair sitting in row sixty five. 1322 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,560 Speaker 22: Good on them. So I think the PM just should 1323 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,520 Speaker 22: have made the time one way or another to just say, guys, 1324 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,920 Speaker 22: this is what's happening. We'll get you there, and it 1325 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,440 Speaker 22: just would have looked a bit more leadership. 1326 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, all right, we'll take a break with 1327 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:39,959 Speaker 2: these two. Come back and just to take us coming 1328 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,440 Speaker 2: up fourteen away from six. 1329 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,920 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty on parallel 1330 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,120 Speaker 1: Reach and results. 1331 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,560 Speaker 2: My nephew is on that flight and the CEO is 1332 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,840 Speaker 2: currently being a trolley dolly. How good? It just gets 1333 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,960 Speaker 2: better back with the herdle Trishuson and Josephiganni. Josie, do 1334 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,880 Speaker 2: you love the idea of the granny flat? 1335 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,440 Speaker 22: I love the idea of the granny flat. This is 1336 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,520 Speaker 22: an easy, when low hanging fruit for the government. Good 1337 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,320 Speaker 22: on them. And look, I mean, who's going to disagree 1338 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,400 Speaker 22: with it. It's one house. It's not like you're going 1339 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,240 Speaker 22: to have developers suddenly going and building your in inverted 1340 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 22: commas sixty granny flats, So it makes sense. And I 1341 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,720 Speaker 22: know that everybody worries about intensification anyway, but really, I 1342 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,840 Speaker 22: mean This is not intensification. This is this is something 1343 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,200 Speaker 22: that just is going to be easy for families and actually, 1344 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,040 Speaker 22: sunnily enough, this was I think this is a New 1345 01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,480 Speaker 22: Zealand first policy in the coalition deal with Nationals, so 1346 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,520 Speaker 22: it plays to New Zealand first space. You know, it's 1347 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,360 Speaker 22: the grannies. But also this is something that you know 1348 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,440 Speaker 22: for Mardi families too who maybe have family living in 1349 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,880 Speaker 22: the garage, they can now go, you know, put a 1350 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,120 Speaker 22: put a block up and build something which is a 1351 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,320 Speaker 22: little bit better. And the license builders are really good 1352 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,200 Speaker 22: right their license to know where you put the fire, 1353 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,840 Speaker 22: you know, all the alarms, where you put, what you 1354 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,600 Speaker 22: do with the bathroom, what you do with the plumbing. 1355 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,720 Speaker 22: So it's not going to be you know, your hokey 1356 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,920 Speaker 22: typical key we do it yourself units. It's going to 1357 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,560 Speaker 22: be something that's pretty good. So good on them. 1358 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Tris, do you think this is going to have 1359 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,280 Speaker 2: like huge appeal or is this just a little thing 1360 01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,200 Speaker 2: that few people are interested in? This is fantastic. 1361 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 17: I think it's a really great idea and will probably 1362 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:20,360 Speaker 17: appeal to a lot of people. You know, Chris Bishop 1363 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,920 Speaker 17: mentioned today that it costs six and a half thousand 1364 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,800 Speaker 17: dollars just in the standard building and resource consent fees 1365 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,840 Speaker 17: to build something like this, and that is one of 1366 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,920 Speaker 17: the biggest challenges at the moment. It's not the cost 1367 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,520 Speaker 17: of the build, it's the cost of what you are 1368 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,640 Speaker 17: having to pay counsels just in red data. No, no, no, 1369 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,600 Speaker 17: this is before you even get a stick in the ground. 1370 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:42,000 Speaker 7: Yes, so. 1371 01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 17: That would just be the consenting fee as well. That 1372 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,960 Speaker 17: wouldn't be the lawyer's fees and everything else. So getting 1373 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,200 Speaker 17: rid of that I think is excellent overall. If you 1374 01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,560 Speaker 17: look at the cost of a house, government fees and 1375 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,840 Speaker 17: charges are about five point three percent of the current cost, 1376 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,360 Speaker 17: so need to look at that. But if you think 1377 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,160 Speaker 17: about this granny flat idea, think about a family or 1378 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,840 Speaker 17: a farno who has an elderly mum or dad who 1379 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,200 Speaker 17: potentially needs to go into what is exceptionally expensive care 1380 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,080 Speaker 17: these days. They can live on site and the farno 1381 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,360 Speaker 17: can save that money equally for mums and dads who 1382 01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,800 Speaker 17: are working and they've got grandparents who are happy to 1383 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,439 Speaker 17: come and live and that happens. You know, our westernized 1384 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,840 Speaker 17: way of living in New Zealand isn't good at this. 1385 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,040 Speaker 17: But in a lot of societies. That's a really useful 1386 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,600 Speaker 17: way that grandparents. 1387 01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,040 Speaker 2: Help out with the family, everybody's mental health. 1388 01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:40,800 Speaker 17: It's good for everyone's mental health. 1389 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,720 Speaker 22: What's really interesting about this, Trisha, I think it's it's 1390 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,800 Speaker 22: a demonstration of how Mardy politics is fracturing, which is 1391 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,400 Speaker 22: why I mentioned, you know, I don't know Farno and 1392 01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,440 Speaker 22: big families living, say in houses in South Auckland, that 1393 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,640 Speaker 22: you can actually I think. I think what Whinston Peters 1394 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,640 Speaker 22: is trying to do is that you could actually deliver 1395 01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,760 Speaker 22: something practical, like hey, I'm going. 1396 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:00,240 Speaker 21: To help you. 1397 01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,720 Speaker 22: We're going to help you build a little unit, rather 1398 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,080 Speaker 22: than have family in the garage or something. And I 1399 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,520 Speaker 22: think this is a difference between the party Marvi, where 1400 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,440 Speaker 22: you've got New Zealand first, going right, we're going to 1401 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,600 Speaker 22: actually deliver stuff. You guys can have your intersectionality culture 1402 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,640 Speaker 22: wars over here. So I wonder if that's partly it 1403 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:17,400 Speaker 22: as well. 1404 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point. Hey, very quickly, do you love, 1405 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,240 Speaker 2: Trish the idea of net safe scambuster? 1406 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,040 Speaker 17: I love it. I think it's hilarious and I love 1407 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,200 Speaker 17: the fact that nets safe are there watching these conversations. 1408 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:29,800 Speaker 2: You can watch it as well, oh. 1409 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,960 Speaker 17: My god, I wish they had an AI bot that 1410 01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,080 Speaker 17: dealt with the prank callers because I have had I 1411 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,920 Speaker 17: think about five calls a day recently from Australia and 1412 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,880 Speaker 17: it's like whack a mole having to block numbers. So 1413 01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,320 Speaker 17: I think a good on net safe. 1414 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:44,720 Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, I love it too. What do 1415 01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:45,720 Speaker 2: you reckon, Josie? 1416 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,800 Speaker 22: I love it. My husband's been doing this by herself 1417 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,680 Speaker 22: for ages. So they a phoner and he replies saying 1418 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,160 Speaker 22: something like Polaris, your call has been recorded. Please enter 1419 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:56,400 Speaker 22: the code for drone activation. 1420 01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:56,840 Speaker 12: Now. 1421 01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,720 Speaker 22: Aori says something like, oh thank god, you've called this 1422 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,000 Speaker 22: block all over the floor. 1423 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,560 Speaker 2: And that keeps him on the phone. That's so funny. Hey, 1424 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,840 Speaker 2: thank you so much. Guys really appreciate it. Tris Chess 1425 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,160 Speaker 2: and Chess and Williespierre and Josephcganny child fun CEO seven 1426 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,120 Speaker 2: Away from six. 1427 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,920 Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in 1428 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,040 Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen 1429 01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:24,120 Speaker 1: drive with one New zealand one Giant Leap for Business 1430 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:25,480 Speaker 1: News Talk se Be. 1431 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 2: Heather the building consent fees alone of six thousand dollars 1432 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:29,800 Speaker 2: and the resource is much the same. So I'm not 1433 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,280 Speaker 2: sure where the six and a half thousand dollar fee 1434 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,400 Speaker 2: came from for both, Well, can we say at least 1435 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,760 Speaker 2: six and a half and then you can just go 1436 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,080 Speaker 2: upwards from there, And we're gonna talk to Nikola Willis, 1437 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,800 Speaker 2: who's gonna be with us. I think she's just you know, 1438 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,080 Speaker 2: the scrutiny week thing that's been going on. She's just 1439 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,480 Speaker 2: had to appear in front of some sort of a 1440 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,520 Speaker 2: selectmmittee or something for an hour and a half today, 1441 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,880 Speaker 2: so she's had her first kind of like baptism of 1442 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:50,760 Speaker 2: fire through that thing. She's gonna be with us shortly. 1443 01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,320 Speaker 2: We'll have a chat to her about everything that's going on, 1444 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:58,920 Speaker 2: including including foreign buyers, because the boss of one of 1445 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,200 Speaker 2: our high end real estates agencies is calling on the 1446 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,760 Speaker 2: government to change its mind on foreign buyers. You might 1447 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,800 Speaker 2: remember Nikola Willis wanted to get the foreign buyers back 1448 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,800 Speaker 2: into the country, let them buy the houses, tax them, 1449 01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,560 Speaker 2: and then use that money to be able to pay 1450 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,280 Speaker 2: for the tax cuts which we've all got wrote. But 1451 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:14,800 Speaker 2: then when he said no, because when he doesn't like 1452 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,120 Speaker 2: foreigners very much from time to time, and so he 1453 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,840 Speaker 2: said no, and so as a result, we've got a 1454 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,240 Speaker 2: ban in place on them. Now, Mark Harris, who's the 1455 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,120 Speaker 2: managing director of New Zealand Southby's International Realty, says, we 1456 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,240 Speaker 2: need to change our minds on this because there are 1457 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,440 Speaker 2: rich foreigners out there who would very much like to 1458 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,520 Speaker 2: be able to buy a nice house in New Zealand, 1459 01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,520 Speaker 2: and we're just leaving money on the table by not 1460 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,160 Speaker 2: letting them in. Because what's the problem. Let them buy 1461 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,880 Speaker 2: a house, taxa hell out of them. Take the tax money, 1462 01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,720 Speaker 2: thanks very much. Also, there are murmurings in the industry 1463 01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,800 Speaker 2: and political circles that nationals pledge to let the wealthy 1464 01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,080 Speaker 2: foreign buyers back into the market could again be back 1465 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,040 Speaker 2: on the agenda, like it sounds like maybe Whennie is 1466 01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,280 Speaker 2: starting to soften on this. So we're going to talk 1467 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:55,000 Speaker 2: to Mark Harris of Southerby's help us six. But Nikola 1468 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,400 Speaker 2: Willis is with us straight out to the news, so 1469 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,240 Speaker 2: we have a little chat to her about that first 1470 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,760 Speaker 2: of all, now and just get a sene of whether 1471 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,960 Speaker 2: this stuff is softening with Winston. Now that crazy turbulence. 1472 01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to alarm you too much, but I'm 1473 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,040 Speaker 2: alarmed because apparently there's more of the stuff going on 1474 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,600 Speaker 2: at the moment. Now, Previously, I'd sort of like I 1475 01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,680 Speaker 2: placated myself by saying it's the it's just somewhere in 1476 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,320 Speaker 2: the North Atlantic. It's not here. No, unfortunately it's here. 1477 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,000 Speaker 2: There was a flight yesterday from Wellington to Queenstown yesterday afternoon. 1478 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,400 Speaker 2: Two people were injured injured. One of them was a passenger, 1479 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,120 Speaker 2: one of them was a crew member. Apparently the turbulence 1480 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,920 Speaker 2: hit just as the cabin crew was serving the hot drinks, 1481 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,120 Speaker 2: and a full pot of hot coffee poured on the passenger. 1482 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:37,919 Speaker 2: Can you imagine how awful that work? 1483 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:38,120 Speaker 3: Like? 1484 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if that stuff is boiling on a plane, 1485 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,920 Speaker 2: but it's got to be close to She had burns, 1486 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,680 Speaker 2: she had blistering. A paramedic on board helped her out, 1487 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,160 Speaker 2: and apparently a flight attendant called it the worst turbulence 1488 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,720 Speaker 2: she's ever had. It wasn't long, but it was really intense. 1489 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,040 Speaker 2: So maybe just refuse the hot drink for a little while. 1490 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:56,760 Speaker 2: I don't know how long this stuff lasts for, but 1491 01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:58,440 Speaker 2: better safe than sorry, Nichola Willis. 1492 01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:07,520 Speaker 1: Next, we have Business Insight the Business Hour. 1493 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 3: We'd header duplicy Ellen and my Hr on News Dogs. 1494 01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:17,240 Speaker 2: B Evening coming up in the next hour, We're going 1495 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,440 Speaker 2: to talk to the boss of Southeby's International and New 1496 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,600 Speaker 2: Zealand to find out how many foreign buyers want to 1497 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,880 Speaker 2: buy houses in New Zealand. Business New Zealand on service 1498 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,960 Speaker 2: sector activity falling through the floor. It's really low. And 1499 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,240 Speaker 2: also Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK. 1500 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,640 Speaker 2: He's our correspondent this evening at seven past six. And 1501 01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,920 Speaker 2: with us right now is Nicola Willis the Finance minister 1502 01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,560 Speaker 2: Hei Nikolai. How much is he in New Zealand charging 1503 01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:39,760 Speaker 2: us for this rescue plane? 1504 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,280 Speaker 6: I don't know. 1505 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,120 Speaker 22: I haven't been advised to that number. 1506 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,600 Speaker 2: Have they not told anybody in the government yet or 1507 01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,360 Speaker 2: has there been no deal struck. 1508 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,120 Speaker 22: I just haven't been advised to that number yet, Heather, 1509 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,400 Speaker 22: I've been in back to back meetings today. But I'm 1510 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,480 Speaker 22: sure that that is a number that will be available 1511 01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:58,480 Speaker 22: for public scrutiny. 1512 01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,200 Speaker 2: A pledge to make it public. 1513 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,640 Speaker 22: Look as long as it's not commercially sensitive. So in 1514 01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,600 Speaker 22: New Zealand, no doubt we'll have arrangements in place. But 1515 01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,960 Speaker 22: my expectation would be that we can share more information 1516 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,120 Speaker 22: about that center and. 1517 01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,520 Speaker 2: Look forward to it. Hey, what are we going to 1518 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,040 Speaker 2: do about the Defense Force planes. We're going to have 1519 01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,639 Speaker 2: to buy a couple of new ones, aren't we. 1520 01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,120 Speaker 22: Well, we've got a defense capability review underway, so we're 1521 01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,439 Speaker 22: looking at what is the kIPS that the Defense Force 1522 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,400 Speaker 22: require for the future so that it can do the 1523 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,800 Speaker 22: things we expect it to do. And of course that 1524 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,679 Speaker 22: does include being able to quickly get to our places 1525 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,760 Speaker 22: in the Pacific and around the world so that we 1526 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,280 Speaker 22: can help out the disasters, so that we can transport 1527 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,960 Speaker 22: our soldiers around the world. And so that's likely to 1528 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:45,080 Speaker 22: include a plane capability, and it may be that as 1529 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,240 Speaker 22: a result of that review they recommend replacement planes. 1530 01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:49,559 Speaker 2: How long does that review take. 1531 01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,559 Speaker 22: It's underway at the moment, and our intention is that 1532 01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,040 Speaker 22: it's completed ahead of our budget next year so that 1533 01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,720 Speaker 22: our budget can reflect the investment decisions that Defense are 1534 01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,200 Speaker 22: advising us they want to make over the coming decade. 1535 01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,800 Speaker 2: Any idea what it costs to buy a plane to 1536 01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,240 Speaker 2: replace the ones we've got? 1537 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,559 Speaker 22: Okay, I think a lot of as questions like how 1538 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,200 Speaker 22: long is a piece of string? Because obviously planes can 1539 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,040 Speaker 22: come at different costs depending on whether their news you 1540 01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,519 Speaker 22: can hand, how big they are, what capability they have. 1541 01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:24,000 Speaker 22: So what we'd need to consider is what's a plane 1542 01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,240 Speaker 22: that can do all of the functions that the Defense 1543 01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:28,960 Speaker 22: Force needs to do but in a way that we 1544 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,360 Speaker 22: can afford to maintain and that works with all of 1545 01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:35,000 Speaker 22: our other kits. So that number will be, no doubt 1546 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,639 Speaker 22: one of the things that Defense Force that are considering 1547 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,280 Speaker 22: as part of their capability. 1548 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,040 Speaker 2: So if we were to get this review done by 1549 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,840 Speaker 2: budget next year, and then budget was to include new planes, 1550 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,519 Speaker 2: we're still, you know, given how long it takes to 1551 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,639 Speaker 2: get these things, we're still maybe two or three years, 1552 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,760 Speaker 2: maybe even more away from actually having the planes. In 1553 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,600 Speaker 2: the meantime, what do we do? I mean, does the 1554 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,760 Speaker 2: Prime Minister need to fly commercially because he can't keep 1555 01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:55,120 Speaker 2: doing this? 1556 01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:56,719 Speaker 16: Yeah? 1557 01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,400 Speaker 22: Look, I think that he needs to consider for every 1558 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,000 Speaker 22: visit he on what's the way is to do it 1559 01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:07,639 Speaker 22: that is the most reliable. And obviously, if we can't 1560 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,320 Speaker 22: be assured that the planes are going to be able 1561 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,760 Speaker 22: to get up in the year that sometimes it's going 1562 01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,519 Speaker 22: to be flying commercial all the people who are flying with. 1563 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, does the defense will sometimes say, look, it's a 1564 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,960 Speaker 2: little bit dodgy at the moment, or you know, other 1565 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,960 Speaker 2: times now she's looking good, do they actually have a 1566 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,160 Speaker 2: sense of whether it's going to work. 1567 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:23,599 Speaker 11: Well. 1568 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,959 Speaker 22: Look, I think that they go to her extensive efforts 1569 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,559 Speaker 22: to make sure that their planes are safe and that 1570 01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,040 Speaker 22: they're ready for the Prime Minister. But obviously in this 1571 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,160 Speaker 22: case they've found an issue that they've said no, it's 1572 01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,320 Speaker 22: not safe to fly, and they've made that decision. And 1573 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,599 Speaker 22: I'd rather they made that decision that put a plane 1574 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,000 Speaker 22: up in the air that wasn't safe. But we do 1575 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,200 Speaker 22: obviously need to look in the future into how we 1576 01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,240 Speaker 22: make sure that when the pen is flying around, but 1577 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:50,000 Speaker 22: it's reliable. 1578 01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,320 Speaker 2: Hey, I see you're considering performance pay for public sector CEOs. 1579 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,480 Speaker 2: How much are you thinking, Well. 1580 01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,639 Speaker 22: I'm still taking advice on that. But what I want 1581 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,080 Speaker 22: to see is a cult to performance and accountability in 1582 01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,640 Speaker 22: the public service, and just there as anyone working in 1583 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,760 Speaker 22: a business actually feel the results of their efforts, we 1584 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,479 Speaker 22: want public agencies and their leaders to feel responsible not 1585 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,839 Speaker 22: just for turning up, but for actually getting a result. 1586 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,720 Speaker 22: And so we've set those public service targets. You'll be 1587 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,679 Speaker 22: aware where said will be measuring performance against them every 1588 01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,800 Speaker 22: three months and making that public. Well, we'd quite like it. 1589 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:30,000 Speaker 22: As Chief executives feel personal accountability for delivering against both targets, 1590 01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,639 Speaker 22: and we think performance pay is another way to create 1591 01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:34,320 Speaker 22: that culture. 1592 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,000 Speaker 2: So I mean, it'll be easy enough to set the 1593 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,000 Speaker 2: targets for somebody who's running let's say the Ministry of Education. Obviously, 1594 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,200 Speaker 2: how many kids are graduating, passing, what have and health 1595 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,840 Speaker 2: will be really easy and so on. But how on 1596 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,240 Speaker 2: earth do you set a target for somebody running the 1597 01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:49,160 Speaker 2: Ministry of Women. 1598 01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,400 Speaker 22: Well, obviously what the performance will be judged on will 1599 01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,559 Speaker 22: vary from agency to agency, but it might be about 1600 01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,160 Speaker 22: how they're contributing to another target government has in place, 1601 01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,880 Speaker 22: and actually, every single person employed by the government and 1602 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:09,559 Speaker 22: a public role with responsibility has accountability, so we should 1603 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,200 Speaker 22: be able to measure their performance against those accountabilities. And 1604 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,200 Speaker 22: we all know there's some people who do a great 1605 01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,400 Speaker 22: job that go above and beyond their job description, and 1606 01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,080 Speaker 22: there's others who don't. And I think that it's good 1607 01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,080 Speaker 22: to reward those who perform really well, have prepared to 1608 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:27,479 Speaker 22: be innovative, to do things differently, to really challenge their teams. 1609 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,439 Speaker 22: Those are the kinds of go getters I want in 1610 01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,719 Speaker 22: the public service. So let's make sure that we actually 1611 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,200 Speaker 22: have structures that are modern pay structures that reflect that reality. 1612 01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,320 Speaker 22: The private sector do it for a reason, It's because 1613 01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:40,080 Speaker 22: it gets results. 1614 01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,360 Speaker 2: Do you think Fitch is going to downgrade us? 1615 01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,479 Speaker 22: No, I don't think so. I think that they can 1616 01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:52,040 Speaker 22: continue to see that New Zealand has a position which 1617 01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,559 Speaker 22: is going to make us a good place to invest 1618 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:55,920 Speaker 22: in and then too into the future. 1619 01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,439 Speaker 2: The one thing that worried me, and what they said 1620 01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,320 Speaker 2: is that I'll be years are behind us. For now. 1621 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:02,960 Speaker 2: We had a decade of growth and now we're not 1622 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:04,000 Speaker 2: going to have a decade of growth. 1623 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,759 Speaker 22: Does that worry you, Well, I think our best years 1624 01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,680 Speaker 22: are in front of us. But I think that if 1625 01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,519 Speaker 22: we are complacent, then we could be in for a 1626 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,479 Speaker 22: continuation of what let's face it has been a pretty 1627 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,280 Speaker 22: troubling period economically because what are we having. 1628 01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,599 Speaker 2: But what that points to is the fact that China 1629 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,559 Speaker 2: fueled our growth for such a long time and now 1630 01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,200 Speaker 2: China is not buying as much of our stuff right 1631 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,240 Speaker 2: because they're not growing as fast. So what do we 1632 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:27,120 Speaker 2: replace China with? 1633 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:33,040 Speaker 22: Well, I think if you talk to individual business owners 1634 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,000 Speaker 22: and sectors across the country, they will tell you that 1635 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:40,440 Speaker 22: they see growth opportunity in New markets, not just China, 1636 01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,040 Speaker 22: but also I'll tell you there are cities upon cities, 1637 01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,080 Speaker 22: town upon town that they're still not selling to. In China. 1638 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,760 Speaker 22: They'll tell you about how they're looking to make their 1639 01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,640 Speaker 22: processes more efficient, but they get gamard just on the 1640 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:56,120 Speaker 22: products that they create. That they look at to produce 1641 01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,120 Speaker 22: more of their products using modern systems, I'm actually having 1642 01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,559 Speaker 22: enough people working in their organization. I guess my point 1643 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,679 Speaker 22: is this the idea about what the next big growth 1644 01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,680 Speaker 22: thing is. In my experience, very rarely actually comes from 1645 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,479 Speaker 22: a politician or government agency. That comes from entrepreneurs and 1646 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,080 Speaker 22: businesses being able to get on with what they do best, 1647 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,720 Speaker 22: and so as a government, we're trying to create foundations 1648 01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,400 Speaker 22: on which they can do that, to get the barriers 1649 01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,360 Speaker 22: out of the way and let them go for it. 1650 01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,760 Speaker 2: Hey is Winston warming up to the idea of letting 1651 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,439 Speaker 2: the foreigners come in and buy houses here? 1652 01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,280 Speaker 22: Well, you'd have to ask once about that. 1653 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,760 Speaker 2: But you've had do you know how hard it is? 1654 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,080 Speaker 2: You've had the conversations with them? Can't you tell us? 1655 01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:40,000 Speaker 22: Well, obviously we've got a coalition agreement that I respect, 1656 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,800 Speaker 22: which are the moch national agreed not to progress our 1657 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,600 Speaker 22: policy to reverse the foreign buy ban and impose a 1658 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:51,400 Speaker 22: charge on foreign buyers. Every party in the coalition has 1659 01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:55,120 Speaker 22: the ability to revisit any aspect of our agreements if 1660 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,679 Speaker 22: they believe it's in the best interests of New Zealand. 1661 01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,519 Speaker 22: So that is ultimately a question for when St Peter's 1662 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,880 Speaker 22: in New Zealand. First is a government minister, I adhere 1663 01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,280 Speaker 22: to the government policy which is as out. 1664 01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:07,439 Speaker 3: I reckon. 1665 01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,560 Speaker 2: That sounds hopeful, So I'm going to take some hope 1666 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,040 Speaker 2: from that, Nicola, do you reckon we need to look 1667 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,599 Speaker 2: into these allegations that were made last week about Chinese 1668 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,120 Speaker 2: interference in our democracy. 1669 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:23,519 Speaker 22: Well, I'm confident that government agencies a all foreign in 1670 01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:29,200 Speaker 22: appearance seriously and that zan has in place system that 1671 01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,360 Speaker 22: I'm sure we react to that appropriately. 1672 01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:34,559 Speaker 2: Was Jianyang a spy? 1673 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:37,720 Speaker 22: Not that I'm aware of. 1674 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,760 Speaker 2: Thank you. That was a tough question, Nicola. Thank you. 1675 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,800 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Nicola Willis Finance Minister. Then again, then again, 1676 01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,280 Speaker 2: would Nichola have known? So I my mind remains open 1677 01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:50,680 Speaker 2: sixteen past. 1678 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:54,400 Speaker 1: Six crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather 1679 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,120 Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour. Thanks to my HR. 1680 01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,160 Speaker 1: The HR platform for sm. 1681 01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:04,519 Speaker 2: On eighteen past six. Listen, there are reports of a 1682 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,400 Speaker 2: fire coming for it's not a report, I mean you 1683 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,439 Speaker 2: can actually see it in the video right there is 1684 01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,840 Speaker 2: a fire coming from the engine of a Virgin Air 1685 01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,920 Speaker 2: flight that's just taken off from Queenstown Airport. The flight 1686 01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:16,519 Speaker 2: didn't take off that long ago, took off just after 1687 01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,160 Speaker 2: six o'clock. It was headed to Melbourne. If you see 1688 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,360 Speaker 2: the video, because it's quite obviously dark at the moment, 1689 01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,240 Speaker 2: so you can see it really clearly, just these like 1690 01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:28,840 Speaker 2: sort of almost like flares of flame coming out of 1691 01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,360 Speaker 2: the side, which I imagine must be terrifying for everybody on board. 1692 01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,000 Speaker 2: It looks, according to flight radar like the plane is 1693 01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,960 Speaker 2: heading south like it might be. Try going down to 1694 01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:38,960 Speaker 2: the cargo to land down there. We're going to have 1695 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,280 Speaker 2: more information for you as it comes to hand on 1696 01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,920 Speaker 2: the subject of planes. Bears center text and saying the 1697 01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,640 Speaker 2: taxpayer better assume the brace position when we get that 1698 01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,559 Speaker 2: bill coming. And Nicola didn't know what the bill was 1699 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,599 Speaker 2: from Air New Zealand. I suspect that Air New Zealand 1700 01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,479 Speaker 2: must have like obviously Air New Zealand must have said, okay, 1701 01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,800 Speaker 2: we're going to divert the Auckland to Japan flight. It's 1702 01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,479 Speaker 2: going to cost you or whatever enormous amount of money. 1703 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,559 Speaker 2: So perhaps she doesn't know, but I would assume and 1704 01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,000 Speaker 2: hope that the government, before agreeing to it does. In fact, 1705 01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,920 Speaker 2: No B says the taxpayer better assume the brace position 1706 01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,439 Speaker 2: because the New Zealand's going to be clipping the ticket. 1707 01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:11,680 Speaker 15: All right. 1708 01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,280 Speaker 2: A quick look at the AT four economy flights to 1709 01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,559 Speaker 2: Hawaii for the school holidays showed a price of twenty 1710 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:21,880 Speaker 2: three thousand dollars. This is not a misprint. Needless to say, 1711 01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,320 Speaker 2: that's economy. By the way, what's that per person? Six 1712 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,519 Speaker 2: thousand dollars economy? I would that's I would. I would 1713 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,960 Speaker 2: be like, I'd be like paying business class for that 1714 01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,680 Speaker 2: in mine economy. Needless to say, we're not flying New 1715 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,479 Speaker 2: New Zealand, thank you quantas for our holiday at a 1716 01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,760 Speaker 2: quarter of that price. Fair enough. Hither. The last time 1717 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,280 Speaker 2: I had a hot drink on a plane was about 1718 01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,599 Speaker 2: thirty five years ago on the rout a Wellington flight. 1719 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,880 Speaker 2: The turbulence was so bad the cabin crew was sitting 1720 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,120 Speaker 2: on the floor with the hot coffee pot between their knees. 1721 01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,960 Speaker 2: And also allan says he was once on a plane 1722 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,040 Speaker 2: that hit turbulence while getting served a hot coffee. The 1723 01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,479 Speaker 2: stewardess said throw that coffee, so I did, and then 1724 01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,599 Speaker 2: I got told off because the stewardess reckons. She said, 1725 01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,759 Speaker 2: stow the coffee, which obviously means nothing to an average 1726 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,160 Speaker 2: pun like you, and I got to use English. Now, listen, 1727 01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,600 Speaker 2: get a load of how creddy it is. For the 1728 01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,320 Speaker 2: cops working at the Auckland District Court building, they work 1729 01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,479 Speaker 2: in a kind of like in the bowels of the 1730 01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,559 Speaker 2: building underneath the courts, right. They got the cells down 1731 01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,120 Speaker 2: there and all that stuff. Apparently it's so hot down 1732 01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,320 Speaker 2: there that it can be twenty five degrees at six 1733 01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,200 Speaker 2: point thirty in the morning. Sometimes. That happened at least 1734 01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,040 Speaker 2: twice this year where it hit twenty five degrees and 1735 01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,080 Speaker 2: just like before you could before you'd even clicked over 1736 01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,400 Speaker 2: at eight o'clock, it was already twenty five degrees. One 1737 01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,880 Speaker 2: cop passed out this year because of dehydration because of 1738 01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,200 Speaker 2: the heat. What they do, the police is they take 1739 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,000 Speaker 2: latex gloves and then they fill them with water, put 1740 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,080 Speaker 2: them in the freezer overnight, and then stick the gloves 1741 01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,760 Speaker 2: underneath their stab proof vests when they're at work to 1742 01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,680 Speaker 2: try to keep themselves cool. This is not good for 1743 01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,920 Speaker 2: the coppers but also not good for the jailbirds because 1744 01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:48,719 Speaker 2: they are getting too hot. Then they get all scratchy 1745 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,479 Speaker 2: and act up in stuff, which just makes it harder 1746 01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,960 Speaker 2: for the cops to deal with. And also, these guys 1747 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,759 Speaker 2: in the police are forced to work in a space 1748 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,800 Speaker 2: that's made for two to three workers, but sometimes they 1749 01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,360 Speaker 2: have to have up to eighteen stuffed into that space. Also, 1750 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,559 Speaker 2: the air con doesn't work. Despite many, many, many times 1751 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,040 Speaker 2: telling the Ministry of Justice who run the building the 1752 01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,200 Speaker 2: air con doesn't work, the Ministry of Justice hasn't sorted 1753 01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:11,040 Speaker 2: it out. How unreasonable is that Even gets worse. The 1754 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,920 Speaker 2: cop bosses in Auckland have been complaining to the Ministry 1755 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,920 Speaker 2: of Justice because the cops can't do anything. It's not 1756 01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,599 Speaker 2: their building, right, So they've been complaining to the Ministry 1757 01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,240 Speaker 2: of Justice who are in charge of the building, saying, 1758 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,240 Speaker 2: please can you sort this out? Been saying it for years. 1759 01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,720 Speaker 2: Ministry just keeps on dicking around, does nothing about it. 1760 01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,800 Speaker 2: They first raised a complaint in twenty eighteen, then they 1761 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,040 Speaker 2: started persistently emailing. In twenty twenty one, they got so 1762 01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,880 Speaker 2: frustrated that the then Auckland top boss threatened to pull 1763 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,439 Speaker 2: just pull the officers out of the building, like, if 1764 01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:37,200 Speaker 2: you're not going to fix the stuff, I can't put 1765 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,040 Speaker 2: my staff in there for health and safety reasons. Finally, 1766 01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,320 Speaker 2: the ministry now says they're going to do some work 1767 01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:43,960 Speaker 2: on it. They say works are going to start next 1768 01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:49,760 Speaker 2: month in stages. That's going to include earthquake strengthening, recladding 1769 01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,280 Speaker 2: and other work including air conditioning. I reckon just sort 1770 01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:57,080 Speaker 2: out the air conditioning as a priority. Six twenty two. 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That 1793 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,920 Speaker 2: is the lowest level since the survey began seventeen years ago, 1794 01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,640 Speaker 2: with the exception of the COVID Lockdown's. Kirk Hope is 1795 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,400 Speaker 2: the chief executive of Business New Zealand. 1796 01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:14,440 Speaker 4: Hey, Kirk, good evening. Well it's not that good an evening. 1797 01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:17,040 Speaker 2: But put us in some context for me. How worried 1798 01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:17,640 Speaker 2: are you about this? 1799 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:20,160 Speaker 18: Well? 1800 01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,880 Speaker 4: I mean I think you just said it's the worst 1801 01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,599 Speaker 4: result monthly results since the saivey began in two thousand 1802 01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:30,040 Speaker 4: and seven a minute. It's consistent with other data which 1803 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,479 Speaker 4: we saw for May, which is certainly to spin down 1804 01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:38,519 Speaker 4: across the board, and particularly in the services sector. It's 1805 01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,880 Speaker 4: consistent with other data that it's out there as well, 1806 01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:47,400 Speaker 4: more generally in business with profit margins below below pre 1807 01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:52,880 Speaker 4: COVID rates. And then you're looking at corporate insolvencies that 1808 01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,880 Speaker 4: are around about the same level as during the GC. 1809 01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:57,679 Speaker 4: So this is a pretty tough time. 1810 01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,800 Speaker 2: Not only is the size worrying, but the speed as well. Right, 1811 01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:01,680 Speaker 2: what does that tell us? 1812 01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm mean I think that's that's one of 1813 01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:10,280 Speaker 4: the biggest challenges is the very speedy contraction. And look, 1814 01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,519 Speaker 4: the reality is if you think about the pace at 1815 01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,360 Speaker 4: which the breaks when on the economy with interest rate rises, 1816 01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:20,400 Speaker 4: that's starting to flow through in a fairly significant way. 1817 01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,800 Speaker 4: Now that's really what we're seeing, I think in a 1818 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:23,960 Speaker 4: lot of the data. 1819 01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,320 Speaker 2: Do you think, Kirk, I mean, we're waiting for the figures, 1820 01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,479 Speaker 2: the GDP figures to come out on Thursday. Is this 1821 01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:30,160 Speaker 2: going to tell us that we're still in recession? If 1822 01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:31,360 Speaker 2: you look at these kinds of numbers. 1823 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,759 Speaker 4: Well, well, I think so, but even if it doesn't, 1824 01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:41,960 Speaker 4: it will say we're flat as opposed to growing, I suspect, which, again, 1825 01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,439 Speaker 4: you really reflects the challenging set of circumstances. I mean, 1826 01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:47,600 Speaker 4: I was talking to a business leader on Friday, and 1827 01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,040 Speaker 4: you know, I said how you're feeling, and he says, 1828 01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,280 Speaker 4: the mantra in this industry has survived till twenty five. 1829 01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:57,719 Speaker 4: So that's how they're feeling in general about the state 1830 01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:58,080 Speaker 4: of play. 1831 01:22:58,479 --> 01:22:59,360 Speaker 2: Kirk, thank you so much. 1832 01:22:59,360 --> 01:22:59,519 Speaker 18: Man. 1833 01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,280 Speaker 2: I hopepefully things get better. That's Kirk Cope, Chief Executive 1834 01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:06,040 Speaker 2: Business New Zealand. What's the plane doing, Laura. It's flying 1835 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,519 Speaker 2: in circles, is it. Yeah? So the plane was heading 1836 01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,920 Speaker 2: south to Viicargo and a lot of texts saying it's 1837 01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,240 Speaker 2: now showing up on flate ride flight radar as going 1838 01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,400 Speaker 2: north again to Queens. Sounder's just going around and round 1839 01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,439 Speaker 2: in circles, Heather, the noise from that plane sounded like 1840 01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:20,599 Speaker 2: a jetboat rivving in our back garden. So I rushed 1841 01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,840 Speaker 2: out to see flames in the plane backfiring as it climbed. 1842 01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,800 Speaker 2: The flames stopped, and it turns out that's from Mike, 1843 01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:30,880 Speaker 2: keep you posted on that headlines next. 1844 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,719 Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you. 1845 01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,719 Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR, 1846 01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:44,640 Speaker 1: the HR platform. 1847 01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:51,160 Speaker 3: For SME US talk. Sa'd b. 1848 01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,559 Speaker 2: Listen, I'm getting what if your text saying that the 1849 01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:05,200 Speaker 2: plane is coming down to land, plane descending, We'll need 1850 01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,200 Speaker 2: to scramble emergency services at MBERS is coming into Imbicadle 1851 01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:11,200 Speaker 2: dropping height fast. We also thought it was. That's what 1852 01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,120 Speaker 2: it looked like it was doing. It had come around 1853 01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,160 Speaker 2: and was going to go, but it's now just gone west, 1854 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,400 Speaker 2: so it's headed it's turned away and headed out towards 1855 01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,920 Speaker 2: Milford sort of in the direction of Australia's obviously not 1856 01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,200 Speaker 2: going to go to Australia. Will keep you posted on 1857 01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,640 Speaker 2: how that plays out. Gavin Gray is going to be 1858 01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,240 Speaker 2: with us in ten minutes time. Sir Rod Stewart has 1859 01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,840 Speaker 2: held a concert in Germany. He's been a very very 1860 01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,519 Speaker 2: big supporter of Ukraine and that is constant. He put 1861 01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:39,400 Speaker 2: up some pictures of Vladimir Zelenski apparently has been booed strength. 1862 01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,439 Speaker 2: The feeling quite high. So Gavin will explain why people 1863 01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,200 Speaker 2: are so worried about it. Over there. It's twenty three 1864 01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,960 Speaker 2: away from seven to see The boss of New Zealand 1865 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,519 Speaker 2: Southby says the government is leaving money on the table 1866 01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,920 Speaker 2: by not overturning the foreign buyer band. You will recall 1867 01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,280 Speaker 2: ahead of the last election, National wanted to allow the 1868 01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,240 Speaker 2: foreign buyers back into the property market, then plan to 1869 01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:00,720 Speaker 2: tax them and then plan to u that money to 1870 01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:02,519 Speaker 2: pay for the tax cuts that we're just announced in 1871 01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,640 Speaker 2: the budget. But Winston Peter's put the kibosh on it. 1872 01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,600 Speaker 2: New Zealand Southby's managing director Mark Harris is with us now, 1873 01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:11,040 Speaker 2: Hey Mark, hi, how are you very well? Thank you? 1874 01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,080 Speaker 2: How many How many of these foreign buyers you reckon 1875 01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:14,080 Speaker 2: want to come into the market. 1876 01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,759 Speaker 11: There's quite a few. I think we're probably turning away weekly. 1877 01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,200 Speaker 11: You know, wealthy foreigners from the US, the UK, et cetera, 1878 01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,400 Speaker 11: you know who are looking at investing in buying homes 1879 01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,080 Speaker 11: in New Zealand we're having to say no to. So, 1880 01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,439 Speaker 11: you know, there's quite a quite a lot of interests 1881 01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:30,799 Speaker 11: as there always has been in New Zealand. 1882 01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:32,719 Speaker 2: Why are they so interested in us at the moment? 1883 01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,880 Speaker 11: Well, I think there's a you know, there's multiple things 1884 01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,479 Speaker 11: going on around the world as geopolitical stuff in Europe, 1885 01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,800 Speaker 11: and you know the election in the US, et cetera. So, 1886 01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:46,000 Speaker 11: I mean, New Zealand has always been of interest, but 1887 01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,360 Speaker 11: there definitely seems to be a pickup of late. You know, 1888 01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:52,479 Speaker 11: certainly our website traffic from international buyers has increased quite 1889 01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:54,080 Speaker 11: a lot in the last six months, so you know, those 1890 01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,559 Speaker 11: sorts of things driving interest our way. 1891 01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:01,080 Speaker 2: Are you hearing these industry murmurings that Winston Peter's may 1892 01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:01,880 Speaker 2: be softening on it. 1893 01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,040 Speaker 11: Yeah, we've had a few of those rumors floating around, 1894 01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,120 Speaker 11: and you know, we're so half expecting in the budget 1895 01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,960 Speaker 11: there might be an announcement around, you know, some easing 1896 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,759 Speaker 11: up for that fore and buyer rule, potentially a four million, 1897 01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,679 Speaker 11: five million dollar threshold being introduced with a stamp duty. 1898 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,280 Speaker 11: But you know, it obviously didn't happen, so it must 1899 01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:21,000 Speaker 11: have been just a rumor. 1900 01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,840 Speaker 2: I think you don't think that. I mean, we spoke 1901 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:24,719 Speaker 2: to Nicola Willis about it earlier and she was pretty 1902 01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,960 Speaker 2: coy about it. I wouldn't answer the question either way, 1903 01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:28,880 Speaker 2: which suggests to me that I don't know, maybe we 1904 01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:29,680 Speaker 2: can take some hope from it. 1905 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,720 Speaker 11: What do you think, Well, hopefully, Yeah, you never know, 1906 01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,920 Speaker 11: later in the year or whenever Winston steps aside, it 1907 01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,599 Speaker 11: might be a turning point. It certainly seems to make 1908 01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,880 Speaker 11: sense to us that they would be encouraging any sort 1909 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,240 Speaker 11: of investment into New Zealand at the moment given the economy. 1910 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,720 Speaker 2: Mark what kind of properties are these people interested in? 1911 01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:51,760 Speaker 2: Are we talking about like really big gangster pads in Queenstown. 1912 01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:53,760 Speaker 1: No. 1913 01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,120 Speaker 11: I had you know, a Sydney investor today this morning 1914 01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,800 Speaker 11: looking at something around three or four million dollars from 1915 01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,360 Speaker 11: apartment and of course Australian can buy here at the 1916 01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,640 Speaker 11: moment without a problem, but generally speaking, it's you know, 1917 01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,519 Speaker 11: four or five million dollars and above. Sure there are 1918 01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,840 Speaker 11: some that are looking for, you know, big pads, but 1919 01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:11,880 Speaker 11: I think there was a four or five million dollars 1920 01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,439 Speaker 11: threshold that would be sensible, that there was a stamp 1921 01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,360 Speaker 11: duty on top of that of ten or fifteen percent 1922 01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,479 Speaker 11: that they were paying, and we could use some of 1923 01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,799 Speaker 11: that income off that tax to put back into social 1924 01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:24,360 Speaker 11: housing or what not to encourage supply. And I don't 1925 01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,120 Speaker 11: see that affecting the lower end of the market in 1926 01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:30,240 Speaker 11: terms of prices, which they were obviously initially worried about. 1927 01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:34,479 Speaker 2: We haven't missed the surge of interest, because remember after 1928 01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,920 Speaker 2: Clovid there was this massive surge of interest in people 1929 01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,960 Speaker 2: moving to New Zealand. We haven't missed that boat, have we. 1930 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:41,000 Speaker 11: I don't think so. 1931 01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:41,240 Speaker 1: No. 1932 01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:42,880 Speaker 11: I think New Zealand's always going to be a popular 1933 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,719 Speaker 11: place to visit and to potentially own a holiday home. 1934 01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,480 Speaker 11: You know, it's a pretty attractive place for the reasons aforementioned, 1935 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,160 Speaker 11: and again we've seen the traffic increase quite a lot 1936 01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:54,559 Speaker 11: in the last six months. I don't think we've missed 1937 01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:55,880 Speaker 11: the boat. We just need to make it a lot 1938 01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:59,040 Speaker 11: more simple for these sorts of investors to come here 1939 01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:00,960 Speaker 11: and buy a holiday home, because we know when they 1940 01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,360 Speaker 11: come here and they enjoy the place and they have 1941 01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,240 Speaker 11: a holiday home that they can use, they then go 1942 01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,959 Speaker 11: further to invest in local community businesses and many examples 1943 01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:10,639 Speaker 11: of that are in the Southern Lakes, which is where 1944 01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:11,160 Speaker 11: we're based. 1945 01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:12,920 Speaker 2: Market's good to talk to you. Thank you for your time, mate. 1946 01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:16,559 Speaker 2: This Mark Harris, New Zealand Southeby's International Reality Realty Managing 1947 01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:20,519 Speaker 2: Director Heather Six billion dollars worth of foreign offshore buyers 1948 01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,400 Speaker 2: purchased in Australia in just the last twelve months. That's 1949 01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,880 Speaker 2: approximately four and a half thousand homes. Demand would be 1950 01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:28,760 Speaker 2: there in New Zealand if we allowed them back in, 1951 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,840 Speaker 2: especially in the four million plus category. What's the problem? 1952 01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,599 Speaker 2: I don't really get it. Winston may need I mean, 1953 01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,639 Speaker 2: maybe now that Winston's had a look at the books 1954 01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,559 Speaker 2: and he sort of understands the situation, and maybe now 1955 01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,760 Speaker 2: that there's been a fair bit of conversation within the 1956 01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,680 Speaker 2: beehive about getting foreign capital into the country, maybe it 1957 01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,080 Speaker 2: will swing him. Awey bid a. Now listen, just a 1958 01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,400 Speaker 2: quick psa. Do you remember that real estate agent who 1959 01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,760 Speaker 2: refused to do the ta kunger Mahori course in order 1960 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,519 Speaker 2: to retain her license, because she argues I would say 1961 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,880 Speaker 2: rightly that you don't need to learn te kunger Maori 1962 01:28:57,960 --> 01:28:59,360 Speaker 2: in order to be a realist. That agent like it 1963 01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,160 Speaker 2: might make you life experience better, but is not actually 1964 01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,800 Speaker 2: prerequisite for being able to do the job. She's in 1965 01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,160 Speaker 2: court tomorrow, so I actually forgot that she was taking 1966 01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,640 Speaker 2: legal action. She will be in the arguing in the 1967 01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,679 Speaker 2: High Court tomorrow. Her lawyers are going to be arguing 1968 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,920 Speaker 2: that the Real Estate and Authority did not follow proper 1969 01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,760 Speaker 2: processes for approval of the rules that they used to 1970 01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,120 Speaker 2: make the course mandatory, and that the course is not 1971 01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:23,720 Speaker 2: relevant to real estate agents practice, and that this was 1972 01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:27,160 Speaker 2: an unjustified breach of Janet's freedom of speech of expression. Rather, 1973 01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:29,920 Speaker 2: she is apparently still at risk of losing her real 1974 01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:32,840 Speaker 2: estate license for five years. That's the period she would 1975 01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,080 Speaker 2: lose it for if she loses in the court, apparently, 1976 01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,560 Speaker 2: and there's reason to be heartened by this. Apparently the 1977 01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,280 Speaker 2: judge sees this as a matter of importance because he's 1978 01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:44,000 Speaker 2: already had a preliminary decision on costs and security and 1979 01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,160 Speaker 2: stuff like that, and in that preliminary decision he said 1980 01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,160 Speaker 2: that this case is in the public interest and that 1981 01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,840 Speaker 2: there are ninety two other real estate agents who are 1982 01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,400 Speaker 2: in the same boat. So do not believe for one 1983 01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,719 Speaker 2: second that she's a troublemaker all by herself. It seems 1984 01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,200 Speaker 2: like there's quite a few of these estate agents. Actually 1985 01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:02,920 Speaker 2: I know why. Yeah, Now I know one who's also 1986 01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:05,680 Speaker 2: very much in a similar category. Doesn't want to have 1987 01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,439 Speaker 2: to do this stuff. So she's representative now, speaking of 1988 01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,760 Speaker 2: granny flats and where you put the oldies and where 1989 01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,120 Speaker 2: the oldies want to live, there's an interesting thing in 1990 01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:15,080 Speaker 2: the economist at the moment about the fact that there 1991 01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:18,519 Speaker 2: are thousands of American pensioners who are retiring on college campuses. 1992 01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,920 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, this is a bit of me. 1993 01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,920 Speaker 2: I'm up, I think this would be awesome. So what 1994 01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,320 Speaker 2: they're doing is a whole bunch of these universes, about 1995 01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,680 Speaker 2: eighty five of them, have decided to get into the 1996 01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,680 Speaker 2: retirement game as well as just the dealing with the 1997 01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:36,880 Speaker 2: kids game. So, for example, Arizona State University has got 1998 01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:40,640 Speaker 2: this twenty story university retirement community that they've built on 1999 01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,720 Speaker 2: their campus and three hundred pensioners live there. And when 2000 01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,000 Speaker 2: the pensioners buy into this place or rent into this 2001 01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,200 Speaker 2: place wherever they want to do it, they get a 2002 01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:51,000 Speaker 2: university pass which allows them to just go along to 2003 01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,439 Speaker 2: the classes. They don't have to sit the exams, but 2004 01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,040 Speaker 2: they can go and listen to the lectures. They can 2005 01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,640 Speaker 2: go along to the cultural events. How good is that? 2006 01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:00,200 Speaker 2: I mean, like, imagine how good would that be to 2007 01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:04,200 Speaker 2: spend your retirement. I'm not even lying to you. I 2008 01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:06,920 Speaker 2: want to spend my retirement just doing weird stuff like 2009 01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:11,160 Speaker 2: studying comparative religious theology like that would be That would 2010 01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:14,639 Speaker 2: tackle me absolutely pink being able to do that stuff anyway. 2011 01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,280 Speaker 2: They get golf buggies that drive them around, or apparently 2012 01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:18,640 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of them are still fit enough to 2013 01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,840 Speaker 2: be able to ride their own mountain bikes and stuff 2014 01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,160 Speaker 2: like that. They've got dorms. Their dorms have better food 2015 01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,080 Speaker 2: than what the college students are eating. They've got four 2016 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,600 Speaker 2: restaurants in there. They've got an art studio, they've got 2017 01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:30,720 Speaker 2: a pool and a gym. They've also got a games room. 2018 01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:32,880 Speaker 2: And the reason that this sprung up in the first 2019 01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,080 Speaker 2: place was because there was a couple of college presidents 2020 01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,280 Speaker 2: who wanted to retire on their campuses in the nineteen eighties, 2021 01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,479 Speaker 2: and so they said they got the idea going in 2022 01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,759 Speaker 2: there you go. And also for the universities, not only 2023 01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,920 Speaker 2: is it obviously a way to bring in money, but 2024 01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:48,720 Speaker 2: it deals with the cliff that we've got at the 2025 01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:51,639 Speaker 2: moment with student enrollments. So now you've got a lecturer 2026 01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,840 Speaker 2: might have only had twenty people in a class or whatever. 2027 01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:56,320 Speaker 2: Now they've got a whole bunch of old people. They're 2028 01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,000 Speaker 2: also bolstering the numbers. How good is that sixteen away 2029 01:31:59,000 --> 01:31:59,720 Speaker 2: from seven. 2030 01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:04,040 Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic 2031 01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,559 Speaker 1: Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the 2032 01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:09,960 Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on news. 2033 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,680 Speaker 2: Talksb Right, the update on the plane is that the 2034 01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:16,120 Speaker 2: plane has gone over water. That's like it's gone south 2035 01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,840 Speaker 2: of Invercargol and as somebody has said on the text machine, 2036 01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:20,519 Speaker 2: looks like it might be dumping fuel, which if it's 2037 01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,360 Speaker 2: going to make an emergency landing, like it's got enough 2038 01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:24,320 Speaker 2: fuel on board to take it all the way to Melbourne, right, 2039 01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:26,200 Speaker 2: it's going to have to dump some fuel because you 2040 01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:29,760 Speaker 2: can't be landing with that much fuel. Also has just 2041 01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,360 Speaker 2: circled back, by the looks of things, Laura heading north 2042 01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:36,280 Speaker 2: to Invercargo again, so it's coming into evigiggle here. This 2043 01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:39,160 Speaker 2: say is, well, there's no customs in Invercargo. These customers 2044 01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:40,200 Speaker 2: are going to have to be on board for a 2045 01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:43,360 Speaker 2: long time and the staff will need to come from Queenstown. Also, 2046 01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,599 Speaker 2: our very own Marcus Lush is heading to the airport. 2047 01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,280 Speaker 2: So well, we will have a correspondent on the ground 2048 01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:53,080 Speaker 2: twelve away from seven, Gavin Gray, our UK correspondents with us. Now, 2049 01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,479 Speaker 2: Hey Gavin, hi there, okay, so tell me what's going 2050 01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,240 Speaker 2: on here. So the Greek coastcard has reportedly thrown people 2051 01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,639 Speaker 2: deliberately into the water, into the water and cause their death. 2052 01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:06,200 Speaker 19: That's what the BBC is alleging. Its research has shown 2053 01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,559 Speaker 19: the Greek government has long been accused of what are 2054 01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:12,200 Speaker 19: called forced returns, in other words, pushing people back, in 2055 01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:15,559 Speaker 19: this case towards Turkey where they've crossed from, which is 2056 01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:21,639 Speaker 19: illegal under international law. The Turkish authorities were at one point, 2057 01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:24,800 Speaker 19: of course, in a deal with the EU stopping migrants 2058 01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,959 Speaker 19: and refugees from crossing into Greece. That deal in twenty sixteen, 2059 01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,800 Speaker 19: but after four years Turkey said it can no longer 2060 01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,680 Speaker 19: enforce it. And Greece has had some two hundred and 2061 01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:41,519 Speaker 19: sixty three thousand sea arrivals in the last year alone, 2062 01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,800 Speaker 19: and that's across, sorry, the all of the EU, with 2063 01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:49,800 Speaker 19: Greece receiving about forty one and a half thousand of those. 2064 01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,479 Speaker 19: So it is a massive problem, and Greece is always 2065 01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:55,840 Speaker 19: being very keen to deny these so called pushbacks. So 2066 01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:59,600 Speaker 19: human rights groups alleged thousands of people seeking asylum in 2067 01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:04,080 Speaker 19: Europe been illegally forced back. So in precision, in more detail, 2068 01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:08,479 Speaker 19: the BBC is alleging that in one particular incident, nine 2069 01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:13,920 Speaker 19: people died as a result of being forced back into 2070 01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:18,200 Speaker 19: Greek territorial waters. It's alleged that they often arrive in 2071 01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,840 Speaker 19: an island, they are often then prevented from going to 2072 01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,160 Speaker 19: a particular center that they need to in order to 2073 01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:27,320 Speaker 19: claim asylum. Instead, they're put on a boat and towed 2074 01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:31,120 Speaker 19: back out onto the water. And sometimes it's alleged with 2075 01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:37,160 Speaker 19: either the valve of the inflatable deliberately loosened, or indeed 2076 01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:40,719 Speaker 19: the boat is partially punctured. So there are some really 2077 01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:44,320 Speaker 19: serious accusations here, and the Greeks are saying that's just 2078 01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,680 Speaker 19: not true. We work very hard with these asylum seekers 2079 01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:49,400 Speaker 19: to process them. 2080 01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,160 Speaker 2: Gavin, why is the strength of feeling in Germany so 2081 01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:56,120 Speaker 2: much re Vladimir Zelinsky that they booed Rod Stewart. 2082 01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:58,720 Speaker 19: I do know. It's an interesting one, this and it 2083 01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:03,080 Speaker 19: happened in Leipzig, and it just goes to show I 2084 01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:07,240 Speaker 19: think that actually there is partially in some areas, a 2085 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:11,240 Speaker 19: bit of a tiredness with the whole Ukrainian Russian War. 2086 01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,000 Speaker 19: Of course Europe hasn't suffered in that sense of being 2087 01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:19,320 Speaker 19: at the sharp end of the war, but prices of 2088 01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,320 Speaker 19: fuel and so forth have really rocketed along with wheats, 2089 01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:25,000 Speaker 19: so they're feeling it that way, and then I fear 2090 01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:28,160 Speaker 19: as well there is this element perhaps of right wing 2091 01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,879 Speaker 19: groups actually supporting Russia. So what happened was the seventy 2092 01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:36,080 Speaker 19: nine year old singer was playing at Leipzig's Quarterback Immobilian 2093 01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:40,280 Speaker 19: Arena and before performing the nineteen ninety one hit Rhythm 2094 01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,960 Speaker 19: of My Heart, he calls that a war song and 2095 01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:46,400 Speaker 19: he's dedicated it to Kiev in recent shows. So before 2096 01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:50,000 Speaker 19: performing this that Leipzig, the Ukrainian flag was projected onto 2097 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:54,320 Speaker 19: a screen behind him and then images of lot of Minzelenski, 2098 01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:56,920 Speaker 19: the President of the Ukraine, are shown. But that seemed 2099 01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,880 Speaker 19: to prompt loud booze, shouts and whistles from the crowd, 2100 01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,120 Speaker 19: with videos from social media showing the crowd appearing to 2101 01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:07,200 Speaker 19: jeer him as he salutes the Ukrainian president. Now this 2102 01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:10,840 Speaker 19: is a really interesting aspect in that Sarrod Stuart has 2103 01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:16,040 Speaker 19: talked in the past about how he believes Russia really 2104 01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:20,320 Speaker 19: is committing terrible crimes against Ukraine and also revealed he'd 2105 01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:22,719 Speaker 19: rented and furnished a home for a family of seven 2106 01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:26,439 Speaker 19: Ukrainian refugees here in the UK he said, quote words 2107 01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:30,760 Speaker 19: couldn't describe what we were watching anyway. Whether he's now 2108 01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,880 Speaker 19: going to have more boeing booing rather remains to be seen. 2109 01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:36,320 Speaker 19: He is, in fact returning to Germany for a show 2110 01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:40,600 Speaker 19: at Hamburg's Bartley's Arena later this month before going to 2111 01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:44,360 Speaker 19: Cologne and Munich, and a representative for Sir rod Well 2112 01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:46,360 Speaker 19: has been asked to comment but has yet to make 2113 01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:47,040 Speaker 19: any statement. 2114 01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,679 Speaker 2: Interesting Devin, Hey, thank you very much. Enjoy your evening. 2115 01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,080 Speaker 2: We'll talk to you again in a couple of days. 2116 01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:53,000 Speaker 2: Gavin Gray are UK chris On and got some good 2117 01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:56,200 Speaker 2: news for you. Looks like the plane has landed in 2118 01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:59,639 Speaker 2: a Vicago airport safely. You can see. Ben has already 2119 01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:02,679 Speaker 2: sent that. Laura has been tracking it on the flight radar. 2120 01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:04,200 Speaker 2: She could see it sitting there at the end of 2121 01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,719 Speaker 2: the runway. How good is that? I mean, geez, imagine 2122 01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,000 Speaker 2: being on that plane, Like you go up and all 2123 01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,280 Speaker 2: of a sudden there's a fire coming out of one 2124 01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:16,000 Speaker 2: of you engines, and that's not fun, right. You'd be like, okay, 2125 01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make my final phone call, wouldn't you? You would 2126 01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:20,479 Speaker 2: You'd be like, Okay, I'm going to call the children 2127 01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:24,479 Speaker 2: and tell them I love them, Tell my mum to 2128 01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:28,240 Speaker 2: make sure the husband raises the children properly, because I'm 2129 01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,439 Speaker 2: completely untrusted with you. You'd make all of those phone calls, 2130 01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:32,559 Speaker 2: wouldn't you. But look they've gone and landed properly, so 2131 01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,800 Speaker 2: you know, absolutely amazing. There was something else that was 2132 01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,240 Speaker 2: going to tell you. Oh, apparently the reason they couldn't 2133 01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:42,200 Speaker 2: land in Queenstown is because you need two functional what 2134 01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,040 Speaker 2: are they called engines to be able to land in 2135 01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:45,840 Speaker 2: Queenstown because the runway so sure, that's why they went 2136 01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:47,400 Speaker 2: to Vigiggle seven away from seven. 2137 01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,920 Speaker 1: Whether it's macro MicroB or just playing economics, it's all 2138 01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:55,599 Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR, 2139 01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,280 Speaker 1: the HR platform for sme US talks. 2140 01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:01,080 Speaker 2: It'd be yeah, it does like the plane has landed. 2141 01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,960 Speaker 2: Fens have just put a little statement out. This is 2142 01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,240 Speaker 2: far an emergency in New Zealand, very much to the point, 2143 01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:10,639 Speaker 2: not ones to fluff around with, you know, too much information. 2144 01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:14,120 Speaker 2: They say something has happened to one engine. Like I'm 2145 01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:17,360 Speaker 2: literally reading you this is verbatim. I'm not improvising on 2146 01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:20,880 Speaker 2: what they've said. They have said something has happened to 2147 01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,599 Speaker 2: one engine. That engine has been shut down. They had 2148 01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:29,040 Speaker 2: an uneventful flight to in Vericago. Well, I think it 2149 01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:32,799 Speaker 2: was eventful. I don't think that's a statement of fact. Also, 2150 01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,759 Speaker 2: you were going to Melbourne, but now you're in in Vicago. 2151 01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,320 Speaker 2: You started in Queenstale, but now you're in Vicago. Was 2152 01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:44,240 Speaker 2: that an upgrade? I don't know anyway. In Vicagol though, 2153 01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:47,960 Speaker 2: On the bright side, in Vicago has got this new 2154 01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:50,240 Speaker 2: bar that they've done up in like one of their 2155 01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:53,080 Speaker 2: one of their high rises. That what am I talking about? 2156 01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:55,920 Speaker 2: Their high rise? And it's one eighty, it's three sixty. 2157 01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,439 Speaker 2: It's three sixty, so you can you can look at 2158 01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:02,000 Speaker 2: the whole everything around. You can go up. It's very fancy, 2159 01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:03,840 Speaker 2: and they don't meet people in with shorts on and 2160 01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,439 Speaker 2: jandles and crap like that. Like it's you could go 2161 01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:09,000 Speaker 2: there and you can pretend it's Melbourne tonight and. 2162 01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:11,360 Speaker 16: Let's see them do that in Melbourne. A Rhythm of 2163 01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:13,920 Speaker 16: My Heart by Rod Stewart to play us out tonight. Yeah, well, 2164 01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:15,240 Speaker 16: I mean a figure if it's in the news, we 2165 01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:17,240 Speaker 16: best play it out. We won't have any of the 2166 01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:18,960 Speaker 16: booing that was at the light Zig concerts. So if 2167 01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:20,280 Speaker 16: you're a fan of the Russians, you'll just have to 2168 01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:21,080 Speaker 16: bool along at home. 2169 01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:23,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up with the Germans? 2170 01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:23,400 Speaker 13: Eh? 2171 01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,760 Speaker 16: I mean Israel Palestine. I'd be like, Okay, that's a 2172 01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:29,240 Speaker 16: contentious one. I didn't realize Russia Ukraine's are contentious one. 2173 01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:29,720 Speaker 6: There you go. 2174 01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:33,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they've just got sick of Vladimir. I mean 2175 01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:37,160 Speaker 2: some people would be anyway. Listen, enjoy yourself. Thank God, 2176 01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:40,759 Speaker 2: I'm still I'm still like, yay that that plane landed. 2177 01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,000 Speaker 2: Aren't you good? For those people? You better buy a 2178 01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,880 Speaker 2: lotto ticket tonight. I think you look well within luck 2179 01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:47,400 Speaker 2: and I'll see you tomorrow. 2180 01:39:51,840 --> 01:40:07,160 Speaker 7: When scar my heart's been in a lot good The 2181 01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:10,360 Speaker 7: words alone you rolling off mat. 2182 01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,519 Speaker 10: Never will a roll, but. 2183 01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:18,280 Speaker 7: No listeners roule where the ocean. 2184 01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:34,240 Speaker 3: Needs the scar I'll be saved for more from Hither 2185 01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,080 Speaker 3: dukeless E Allen Drive. Listen live to news talks. 2186 01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,280 Speaker 1: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 2187 01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:41,400 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.