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Speaker 1: So the gang patch ban will we soon become like

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Speaker 1: New York and no longer see them on the streets.

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Speaker 1: The force of the ban is now in force. Police

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Speaker 1: have been preparing for the new rules for six months

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Speaker 1: and say they are ready to enforce them. It's not

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Speaker 1: just rules around signia changing today though. Police will be

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Speaker 1: able to issue non consulting audios to stop consulting audios, orders,

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Speaker 1: I should say, to stop them talking to each other

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Speaker 1: and associating with each other, etc. Paul Basham is the

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Speaker 1: Police Assistant Commissioner. He's with me live this morning. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: Good morning Ryan. Have you had any taken in yet?

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Speaker 1: Have you got any patches?

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Speaker 2: No, not this far. We have noticed an increase in reporting,

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Speaker 2: but that increase reporting, that is to say, sighting of

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Speaker 2: gang members out and about in public, occurred before midnight

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Speaker 2: last night, as it were, And so of course the

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Speaker 2: legislation hasn't come live until midnight last night. So as

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Speaker 2: I talk to you now on the information that I've

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Speaker 2: got and we are still collating events from overnight. We

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Speaker 2: actually haven't issued a prosecution at this point, although we

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Speaker 2: have had the odd kind of increase in reporting where

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Speaker 2: we've dealt with gang members as we normally would for

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Speaker 2: different things.

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Speaker 1: And were they wearing their patches when you dealt with them?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, we've definitely noticed in the last twenty four

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Speaker 2: hours or sort of hours preceding midnight, that there were

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Speaker 2: a more overt display of or more presence of gang

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Speaker 2: members wearing gang patches and public or you know, one

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Speaker 2: last ira, sorry.

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Speaker 1: One last hurrah before midnight.

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Speaker 2: Well that might be from their perspective. You know, we're

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Speaker 2: dealing with gang members and their behavior up and down

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Speaker 2: the country every day, so we get reporting about criminal

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Speaker 2: behavior all the time. So the reporting that I'm talking

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Speaker 2: to you about this morning is that plus what I

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Speaker 2: would see is sort of just a heightened awareness from

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Speaker 2: the public, you know, reporting and other things that of

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Speaker 2: course weren't triggered by the legislation until last.

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Speaker 1: Night, right I see. And so after midnight, did you

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Speaker 1: has police had any interactions with gang members and if so,

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Speaker 1: were they wearing their patches? You don't know?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, it's truly really we're collating things from overnight.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know we've doubt As I said, you know,

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Speaker 2: we deal with gang members and their behavior, things like

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Speaker 2: domestic violence and other stuff, so we would have been

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Speaker 2: doing that out last night, as we normally do. But

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Speaker 2: if they are wearing their patches in their own homes,

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Speaker 2: it's not an offense. Yeah, that sort of thing. So

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Speaker 2: I think it's what's in front of us today through

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Speaker 2: this weekend, in the next few weeks, which will be

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Speaker 2: telling us.

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Speaker 1: You said your people have been phoning in with their

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Speaker 1: you know, I've seen them someone with a gang patch.

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Speaker 1: What number do people call if I see a person

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Speaker 1: with a gang patch? Do I call one one one

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Speaker 1: or do I call one o five?

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Speaker 2: It's a really good question. I think the same rule supply,

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Speaker 2: you know, common sense supplies that people are frightened or scared,

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Speaker 2: you know, intimidated, or they're seeing something in front of them,

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Speaker 2: like a like an assault or something that has some

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Speaker 2: sort of violence and threat to life. And it's always

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Speaker 2: you know, one one one, as you normally would in

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Speaker 2: any situation where you were scared or felt threatened.

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Speaker 1: But if it's a game, remember picking up broccoli at countdown,

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Speaker 1: then one oh five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, onefi is probably better than if it's something that's historical,

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Speaker 2: even online. You know, we've got to cope with all

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Speaker 2: sorts of demand, and this is on top of that.

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Speaker 2: So it's just how we manage that. But you know,

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Speaker 2: the messages of people are frightened or scared or they're

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Speaker 2: seeing something that's you know, like physical harm, then absolutely

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Speaker 2: one one one.

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Speaker 1: Is it do you have extra staff? Know how many

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Speaker 1: extra staff whose specific job it is to deal with

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Speaker 1: the game patch band? Do you have?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well we staid with Celestial Game Unit back in

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Speaker 2: July I think it was. That's circa twenty five staff,

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Speaker 2: sort of like a support engine here in Wellington, and

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Speaker 2: then across the country there's in a distalled seventy seven

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Speaker 2: positions that have been established. That's on top of other

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Speaker 2: we're you know, constivary work for a force of circuit

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Speaker 2: teens thousands, and so we don't sort of see it

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Speaker 2: in sort of silos. We kind of would re view

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Speaker 2: its police doing you approach.

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Speaker 1: In terms of priority? I mean, if you know you've

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Speaker 1: got murders and robberies and drug deals and whatever committed

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Speaker 1: by gangs, they're going to take priority over prosecutions for

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Speaker 1: wearing a patch, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have to prioritize our demand every day our

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Speaker 2: staff and our sergeant team leaders and do that in

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Speaker 2: the course of a shift multiple times depending on what's

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Speaker 2: in front of them. You know, policing situational, it's hard

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Speaker 2: to predict sometimes what the shift will look like. And

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Speaker 2: you know, our people are really good at making those

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Speaker 2: sorts of decisions, prioritizing making the odd trade off where

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Speaker 2: they need to. But I would say that, you know,

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Speaker 2: from a crime science point of view, if you please

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Speaker 2: a small cohort that I proportionately like to cause more

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Speaker 2: damage and violence in communities, then you get a disproportional benefit.

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Speaker 2: It's the sort of twenty eight year old in crime science,

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Speaker 2: and so to the extent that BEING members are often

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Speaker 2: associated with violent and other forms of criminal.

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Speaker 1: Behavior, it should be using this legislation have a compounding

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Speaker 1: interest effect on it. Yeah, I appreciate what you're saying there, Paul,

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time. Paul Bash and

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Speaker 1: Police Assistant Commissioner just gone seven minutes away from six

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Speaker 1: Patches Off today. Please for more

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