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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected news talk zaid.

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Speaker 3: Be good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: We're going to speak to Dennis Or'reiley, who's a lifetime

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Speaker 3: Black Power member, about the gang's reaction to the upcoming

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Speaker 3: Gang Patch band and all of the cops meetings and stuff.

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Speaker 3: David Seymour on the Hea Coy today and the school's

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Speaker 3: excusing kids to be able to join it, and Sheeheart

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Speaker 3: is breaking up after forty years. We have a chat

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Speaker 3: to the lead singer, John too Good.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Ellen on this he koy.

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Speaker 3: I've actually been surprised at the level of anger that

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Speaker 3: I've heard expressed about the thing and about the fact

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Speaker 3: that it crossed the Harbor Bridge today, and I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's a good thing for the particular cause, and

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Speaker 3: the particular cause, of course, is to oppose the Treaty

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Speaker 3: Principles Bill. Yesterday, completely out of the blue, I got

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Speaker 3: an email from a mum that I know complaining about

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Speaker 3: the impact that we'll have on kids trying to get

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Speaker 3: to the NCEA exams on time. Today, I bumped into

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Speaker 3: someone furious, just absolutely furious about the timing, completely unexpected.

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Speaker 3: Didn't expect it from this person at all, furious about

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Speaker 3: the timing because it was crossing the Harbor Bridge at

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Speaker 3: rush hour. And then someone in my family is raging

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Speaker 3: about it as well on the regular Now, to be

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Speaker 3: fair to these people, this is quite understandable anger because

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Speaker 3: basically what the cross at is that this protest feels

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Speaker 3: like it is designed to cause disruption. I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: always the outside chance that the organizers just whoops, just

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Speaker 3: plan something for mourning traffic. I doubt that very much

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Speaker 3: that it was an accident. These people have generally proved

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Speaker 3: to be reasonably smart in what they do. More likely

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Speaker 3: it's designed to cause disruption. And so what happened is

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Speaker 3: to facilitate the he coy today, authorities had to close

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Speaker 3: from eight in the morning peak morning traffic time. Now,

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Speaker 3: that will have messed up the start of the day

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Speaker 3: If these guys doing the he coy were decent to

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Speaker 3: the people of Auckland, you know, people just trying to

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Speaker 3: do their jobs, largely uninvolved in politics, trying to do

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Speaker 3: the jobs trying to get the kids to school. They

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Speaker 3: would have shifted their walk time over the Harbor Bridge

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Speaker 3: back by a couple of hours, maybe aimed a little

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Speaker 3: closer to midday, by which time most people will already

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Speaker 3: at the NCAA exams and won't have their day messed around.

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Speaker 3: It's not as if the heikoy would lose media attention

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Speaker 3: because it caused less disruption, would it. I mean, they

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Speaker 3: are already all over all of the online news feeds,

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Speaker 3: are being covered by radio shows like ours today that

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Speaker 3: will be all over the TV news for multiple stories

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Speaker 3: undoubtedly tonight. Because the protest is big, and because it

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Speaker 3: is about a very contentious issue, being the Treaty Principals Bill.

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Speaker 3: These guys did not have to muck auckland Is around

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Speaker 3: to get the kind of coverage that they probably want

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Speaker 3: to get now. Ultimately, I don't think this is a

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Speaker 3: smart move from them, just like I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: All this is going to do is frustrate Middle New

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Speaker 3: other side, because that is how politics works nowadays. We

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Speaker 3: That's ultimately an own goal, because the only hope that

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Speaker 3: that it has to be rescued, that the Nats change

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Speaker 3: to people planning future protests. Try to not cause disruption

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Speaker 3: more likely to be sympathetic to your cause, not less. Ever,

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Speaker 3: the way, happy with your thoughts on it, happy to

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Speaker 3: hear what's happened today. The government's writing up rules for

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Speaker 3: online casino operators. These guys are currently unregulated in the country.

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Speaker 3: Any company offering online gambling in New Zealand will have

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Speaker 3: Internal affairsman to stand with us. Now, Hey, Brook, Hey, Heather, Now,

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Speaker 3: what are you trying to do. Are you trying to

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Speaker 3: regulate existing online gamblers who are overseas or are you

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Speaker 3: trying to create a framework to regulate online gamblers based

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Speaker 5: Oh, we're trying to do a little bit of both.

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Speaker 5: So at the moment it's a bit of a wild

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Speaker 5: couple of thousand online platforms that kiwis could go to

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Speaker 5: at any time. They can't advertise in New Zealand. But

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Speaker 5: the important thing here is all of that money that's

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Speaker 5: we're getting all the risks, We're getting all the harm.

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Speaker 5: So what we're doing is regulating that market and saying, look,

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Speaker 5: we do want to have harmonimization standards so that there

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Speaker 5: might be up to fifteen licensed operators that can play

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Speaker 5: in New Zealand. But if you're one of those New

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Speaker 5: Zealanders who does want to play, you actually know that

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Speaker 5: these are safe services to using. You can get your

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Speaker 5: money and your withdrawals. We know that the advertising that

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Speaker 5: they'll be using will be safe for children. But importantly,

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Speaker 5: we are one of the last countries in the OECD

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Speaker 3: Why are you only going for fifteen licenses?

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Speaker 5: Well, what we're doing here is striking a reasonable balance

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Speaker 5: when we do have advertising and we have a regulator

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Speaker 4: It just.

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Speaker 5: Or hundreds and hundreds. We'd end up with one of

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Speaker 5: the largest regulators in the country. And I don't think

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Speaker 5: that's good for New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Now how are you going to get have you come

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Speaker 5: Well, under our current gambling laws is a range of

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Speaker 3: How do you go how do these guys operating the

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Speaker 5: Well, that'll be what the regulator will be figuring out.

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Speaker 5: When you've got these people going for their license or

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Speaker 5: have age verification system that DIA is happy with. But

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Speaker 5: it's not something new, it's something that casino games currently

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Speaker 3: Old casino games.

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Speaker 5: Casino games are random number generated games that are for

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Speaker 5: a profit, so very different for you know, if you're

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Speaker 3: And how do casino games verify your age.

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Speaker 5: Well, at the moment, anyone who walks into a casino.

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Speaker 3: Online it's not an online thing. This is actually going

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Speaker 5: Well at the moment, other countries have age verification for

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Speaker 5: how do they do it?

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Speaker 3: How do they do it? Brook?

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Speaker 5: I don't think anyone would expect me to be But

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Speaker 5: what I do know is that there are systems around

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Speaker 3: The reason to allow this to this is fundamental to

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Speaker 3: that we know that the people who are actually gambling

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Speaker 3: can't sort of like wave this one through without knowing right,

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have to nut this one out, aren't you.

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Speaker 5: No. I think what's really important here is, at the moment,

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Speaker 5: anybody can go online play thousands of different regulated games

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Speaker 5: We're saying, Look, if you want to be one of

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Speaker 5: age verification system that DIA as the regulator, believes is

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Speaker 5: they won't get a license. Okay, It's much better than

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Speaker 3: Now, totally. I just I'm slightly I'm starting to get

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Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate it, brookvan Velden, the Internal Affairs Minister.

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Speaker 3: the butt, frankly. Anyway, we're probably gonna have to. Trump's

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk is probably the most interesting one, isn't it so.

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk has been appointed to lead a new organization

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Speaker 3: to drive government efficiency, quite aptly named it the Government

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Speaker 1: White House results and analysis of the US election?

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Speaker 6: On?

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with one New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 2: connected news talk.

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Speaker 1: Said be.

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Speaker 2: The sport with the new tab app downloaded today, Riten

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Speaker 3: Darcy water Grave Sports talkhoasters with me right now, Hey, Dust,

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Speaker 6: So the boost it's not you.

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Speaker 3: I'm not making that noise at you. I'm making that

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Speaker 3: noise at what is his name?

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Speaker 7: Is it?

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Speaker 3: Richard?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Richard wrote the opinion piece. Okay, so Richard's written an

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Speaker 3: opinion piece and it says why the Blues can hold

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Speaker 3: three all blacks first fives while other Super Rugby teams

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Speaker 3: did not approach the Blues to ask whether they would

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Speaker 8: Maybe the Crusaders had to bring over James O'Connor to

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Speaker 8: I think that it's important and we'll talk more about

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Speaker 3: Because this is we don't do this, don't we don't

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Speaker 8: I'm going down to Otigo.

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Speaker 8: Isn't all black. This stars happen. But when you look

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't know how it would operate, particularly because

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you dealing with my frustration there, Darsie and

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Speaker 8: Only doing it in the studio on a purely professional basis.

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Speaker 8: I'm not going to deal with anything outside of this.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 3: But here are a few more of Donald Trump's appointments.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: He's also appointed this is Donald Trump as golf buddy

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Speaker 3: So there you go. We're going to talk to Dan

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Speaker 3: But this bill rests on its popularity or otherwise. So

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Speaker 2: That's a strong opinion, Heather Duper see Allen Drive with

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Speaker 3: Israel has failed to meet the deadline set by the

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Speaker 3: US Secretary of State Anthony Blinkin to allow more aid

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Speaker 3: Albow has revealed some of his details about his phone

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Speaker 3: Talk about tariffs.

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Speaker 12: I pointed out that Australia has, or the United States

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Speaker 3: Oh Di Luxe and MS miss a trick not mentioning it.

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Speaker 3: And finally, research company Alpha Genesis still hasn't called all

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 14: So these guys can keep their real jobs at pay

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Speaker 14: I mean, I can't see these guys moving across country

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Speaker 14: be the first Latino to serve in this role. So,

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Speaker 14: I mean, these are these themes were just coming out

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Speaker 14: one after another today.

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Speaker 3: What about the Fox News host?

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Speaker 7: Uh, yeah, this is going to be interesting.

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Speaker 14: A guy by the name of Pete Pigsith, who is

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Speaker 14: a military veteran, a Fox News host. He's going to

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Speaker 14: be the Defense secretary. And you know, I mean, if

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Speaker 14: you watch Fox you know a little bit about him.

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Speaker 14: If you don't, uh, you're gonna learn a lot more

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Speaker 14: about him.

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Speaker 7: I think.

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Speaker 14: I mean, Trump says he's smart, and he's tough, and

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Speaker 14: he's a believer in America first, So I think he'll

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Speaker 14: be picking a lot more people from these you know.

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Speaker 14: I mean, we we've had people from Fox News that

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Speaker 14: have gone into to politics before, for both the Republicans

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Speaker 14: and even Democrats in the past, so this isn't a first,

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Speaker 14: but it's a it's a very high position.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, does he continue to be a Fox News host

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Speaker 3: or does he does he?

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Speaker 7: Oh no, no, no, no, he's going to have to

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Speaker 7: give up that that position.

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Speaker 14: Definitely what a pay cast, probably yes, probably, but he's

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Speaker 14: doing it for his country. And then after a couple

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Speaker 14: of years or whatever, when when Trump gets tired of him,

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Speaker 14: he'll he'll probably go back on the cable rounds and

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Speaker 14: you know, write a tell all book and make a

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Speaker 14: heck of a lot more money than he's making right now.

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Speaker 3: Nobody ever does anything for their country, Dan, They only

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Speaker 3: do it for their own personal their own personal ambition,

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Speaker 3: don't they.

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Speaker 7: True.

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Speaker 3: You see, like suddenly I know who this guy is

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Speaker 3: and I didn't know beforehand. Okay, the delay in the

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Speaker 3: sentencing over the hashmany stuff for Donald Trump, it's only

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Speaker 3: is it only delayed until November nineteen a win.

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Speaker 12: Is it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, just just for the time being, for a short

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Speaker 14: of about a week or so. And this goes back

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Speaker 14: to the faults to find the business records and Stormy Daniels.

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Speaker 14: So the judge today said, okay, we're going to put

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Speaker 14: a stay on this all the deadlines five months before

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Speaker 14: he where he takes office. And this will allow mister

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Speaker 14: Trump to avoid the maximum sentence of up to four

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Speaker 14: years in prison. So we're going to find out what

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Speaker 14: happens in the next week or two. And you know,

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Speaker 14: this has been back and forth too, because we had

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Speaker 14: the Supreme Court over the summer said that the president

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Speaker 14: should enjoy immunity from criminal prosecution for most of the actions.

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Speaker 14: So yeah, it'll be interesting to see what this judge

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Speaker 14: decides in about a week or so.

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Speaker 3: What's Milanio's problem with Jill Biden.

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Speaker 14: I don't know, isn't this kind of this is kind

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Speaker 14: of interesting too, because I mean, she's not going to

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Speaker 14: the meeting tomorrow. I mean this is going to be

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Speaker 14: sort of a hand off between President Biden and mister

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Speaker 14: Trump right now. And you know Jill, I mean Biden

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Speaker 14: had authorized the FBI to snoop around, you know, in

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Speaker 14: down in Florida, and people were saying, well, you have

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Speaker 14: to meet Joe Biden, and Milania supposedly said no, I

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Speaker 14: don't have to.

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Speaker 7: So this is kind of awkward.

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Speaker 14: And now they're saying, well, the reason behind this no

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Speaker 14: show is because she's got media conflicts because of this

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Speaker 14: new book. There's this new memoir that she has out,

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Speaker 14: so she's had to turn down this offer of meeting

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Speaker 14: President Biden's wife.

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Speaker 7: Awkward, Yes, petty maybe.

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Speaker 14: And the big scheme of things, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 14: not huge, but it's just it's very awkward.

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Speaker 3: I think, Dan, thank you very much appreciated. Dan, Mitchins

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Speaker 3: and US correspondent. Anybody get the feeling that Malaney just

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Speaker 3: wishes the circus was all over it and want to

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Speaker 3: be part of it. I think so looks like Kevin

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Speaker 3: Rudd might be in a little bit of trouble. Kevin Rudd, remember,

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Speaker 3: is formerly Prime Minister of Australia, now the Australian Ambassador

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Speaker 3: to the States. If you remember last week, I was

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Speaker 3: telling you that he'd had to delete some nasty posts

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Speaker 3: that he'd put on social media about Donald Trump. They'd

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Speaker 3: made in the past. And Trump he knows about these

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Speaker 3: posts because he called Kevin Rudd a nasty man anyway.

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Speaker 3: So what's happened is, elbow is it's blown up. It's

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Speaker 3: become a thing. Elbow is standing by k Rudd and

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Speaker 3: say no, no, no, his job, his job as the

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Speaker 3: ambassador to the state's absolutely safe. But then Kevin Rudd

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Speaker 3: tweeted congratulations to Donald Trump, and then a chap called

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Speaker 3: Dan Scavino Junior, who's an influential Trump ally retweeted Kevin

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Speaker 3: Rudd's congratulations with a gift of an hour glass, emptying

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Speaker 3: suggesting that kay Rudd has only got so much time

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Speaker 3: in the job. Left don't undon't. That's what happens when

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Speaker 3: you put out you should know better. What have I

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Speaker 3: said about social media in the past of your politician,

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Speaker 3: get off social media because it only is going to

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Speaker 3: cause you trouble. Here's an example sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 2: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barry so O per senior political correspondence with US Now, Hi, Barry,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon. All right, so that he cooy. I opened

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Speaker 3: the program saying I don't think that that's going to

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Speaker 3: be doing the Treaty Principles bills cause any harm. Because

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Speaker 3: of frustrat I did so many people. They'll just feel

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Speaker 3: more sympathetic whether.

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Speaker 9: It's not about the Treaty Principals bill. That's what you

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Speaker 9: were told by the organizer.

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Speaker 6: Kinghi.

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Speaker 9: The other day I heard the interview on Interestingly, he's

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Speaker 9: the son of the Maldi MP Maromino Coppa King. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: she's the Maldi MP and he's one of triplets. So

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Speaker 9: she's been a busy woman and younger.

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Speaker 3: So hold on just a tick. So he is a

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Speaker 3: formerly a candidate for the Mary.

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Speaker 9: Party, three three behind her on the list and the.

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Speaker 3: Son of a current Mpeper. Yeah, okay, so this is

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Speaker 3: not really a hikoy about just activating you know EWI,

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Speaker 3: it's a he coy about activating the Mary Party support

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Speaker 3: basis well well, and the protest.

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Speaker 9: Has the co leader Rowy white to Tea emblazoned on

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Speaker 9: the side of them, along with other proud to be mold.

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Speaker 3: I just think that that's important content, right, because this

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Speaker 3: is being seen as like a rising up of the

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Speaker 3: Maori people, but it's actually not. It's a political party

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Speaker 3: getting people out very much.

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Speaker 9: It's the Maori Party behind it, and I don't think

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Speaker 9: white to Tea would disclaim that. But look, it's interesting

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Speaker 9: because you have to say, what are they specifically protesting

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Speaker 9: about if it's not the treaty Principal's bill. Well, I

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Speaker 9: got tired up in the hikoy today when I was

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Speaker 9: going on my walk under the Harbor Bridge because they

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Speaker 9: were all gathered there with the.

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Speaker 7: The ten.

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Speaker 9: This probably is a good example of what the question was.

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Speaker 9: I saida to a one of them that was walking

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Speaker 9: towards me as a man covered in tattoos head to toe,

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Speaker 9: and I said, Kura, look, can you specifically tell me

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Speaker 9: what this protest is all about?

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Speaker 3: And he said, do you speak malory And I said, well,

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Speaker 3: as you've just heard clearly, asshole, clearly not.

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Speaker 9: And he said if off and walk on. Yeah, And

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Speaker 9: I tried to stop a number of others, but theygeous

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Speaker 9: gave me the cold shoulder and walk past. But I think,

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Speaker 9: you know, look, people who go on these protests, and

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Speaker 9: there's thousands of them, and it'll be massive. There'll be

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Speaker 9: a big gang motorcycle motorcycle gang representation. I will guarantee

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Speaker 9: it by the time they get to Wellington. And of

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Speaker 9: course the gangs appeaved with this government because of the

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Speaker 9: legislation that's been passed. On their patches. I saw a

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Speaker 9: couple of patches there from the Cobras today. They were

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Speaker 9: on the on the Hikui.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw black Power.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Well, they'll all be there, so you know, I would

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Speaker 9: think the police will be keeping pretty close watch on

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Speaker 9: them when they get to Wellington because there will be

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Speaker 9: a lot of people to contend with. So yeah, I

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Speaker 9: failed in my attempt to get specifically what it's all about,

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Speaker 9: but just looking at the playcard, you'd have to say

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Speaker 9: it's very much about the treaty. The principal Treaty's.

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Speaker 3: Bill, okay, which was the talk of Parliament today, wasn't it?

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Speaker 9: It was the talk of Parliament today. I've got to

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Speaker 9: say the Prime Minister gave a pretty good indication the

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Speaker 9: government's growing tired of the White Toungi Tribunal when he

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Speaker 9: was questioned by Labour's Chris Hipkins.

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Speaker 16: Listen is the reason why his ministers have consistently sought

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Speaker 16: to undermine the White Tanngy Tribunal without any censure from him,

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Speaker 16: even calling for its dis establishment, because the Tribunal has

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Speaker 16: brought attention to the profoundly negative impacts the Treaty Principal's

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Speaker 16: Bill as having on the Crown's relationship with Mardy.

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Speaker 17: What I'd say to that member is that many commentators

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Speaker 17: have said, in a post Treaty settlement world, it's quite

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Speaker 17: a legitimate question to ask what the role in the

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Speaker 17: White Tangy Tribunal is going forward. That is something that

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Speaker 17: whereas a coalition and government will explorence of course, and.

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Speaker 16: The mere introduction of the bill will according to the

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Speaker 16: White Tanngy Tribunal prejudice Mardi and there is a risk

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Speaker 16: that the select committee process will be hijacked by racists

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Speaker 16: and purveyors of misinformation for six months.

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Speaker 3: I disagree with the characterization of that question.

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Speaker 9: Matter of opinion was old Shane Jones. Of course, Chris

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Speaker 9: Luson won't be in the House for the first debate

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Speaker 9: and the first and only debate of the bill tomorrow,

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Speaker 9: because it will be debated in the House tomorrow. He'll

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Speaker 9: be on his way to APEC, the APEX sum in Peru.

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Speaker 3: Very really quickly. I see Section seven AA came up

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Speaker 3: again today.

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Speaker 1: Well it did.

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Speaker 9: I don't know whether I've got time for a little

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Speaker 9: bit of audio, because it was fascinating. The case was

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Speaker 9: being led against the minister by the Greens Kurrangi Krter,

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Speaker 9: who argued Maori children run the risk of being further

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Speaker 9: abused if they're removed from their families.

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Speaker 18: Here she is the minimum safeguard for protecting tamaitikei and

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Speaker 18: care is ensuring Maori quote are connected to their Farno

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Speaker 18: hapu ewie, fucker pop, fenoa real and tea hunger.

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Speaker 19: If funo is the right place for a young people's

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Speaker 19: young person to be placed, that's what should happen. But unfortunately,

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Speaker 19: mister Speaker.

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Speaker 3: That's not always appropriate and we need to make.

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Speaker 19: Sure that the safety and well being comes first, and

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Speaker 19: we must base it on their needs. And every young

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Speaker 19: person deserves the same level of care and protection, no

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Speaker 19: matter what their ancestry is.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Well, and the person who came out, he basically came

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Speaker 9: out at the end. He defended you was and she's

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Speaker 9: an act minister of course, was the New Zealand first Minister,

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Speaker 9: Shane Jones. And he's tired of the attacks. He's tired

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Speaker 9: of the repetitive questioning. She gets it all the time

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Speaker 9: and it is ridiculous. It's going ahead anyway.

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Speaker 3: Barry, Thank you, Barry so seeing your political correspondent putting the.

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Speaker 2: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 9: Time, mister Christopher Luxe and Withers, have you been talking

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Speaker 9: to Donald Trump?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, and there's a lot going on on their side,

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Speaker 20: and it was very decent.

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Speaker 1: I metus take time out. So yes, did he use

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Speaker 1: the term at any point? I know you can't talk

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Speaker 1: about what was on the phone call.

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Speaker 7: I get that, but did he use the term at

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Speaker 7: any point? Drill baby, drill? No, he didn't.

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Speaker 20: I congratulated him on what was obviously a very decisive

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Speaker 20: and comprehensive word and was revery a relationship call. We

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Speaker 20: hadn't met before. He was looking forward to catching up

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Speaker 20: in person and due course. And also his perception of

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Speaker 20: New Zealand is actually very positive.

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Speaker 1: So it was a good call. Did you get a

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Speaker 1: word in edgeways?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was really good.

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Speaker 20: Actually it was a good two way conversation. I was

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Speaker 20: impressed that he knew about New Zealand and has a

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Speaker 20: very favorable impression of New Zealander's a Country Back.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with the

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Speaker 2: Rain drove the Lahn News talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Hey a cold Play obviously tonight big for Auckland. So

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Speaker 3: we'll have a chat to Auckland Unlimited about how much

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Speaker 3: of a role they played in getting cold Play here

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Speaker 3: for the three concerts. And straight after the news we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk to Dennis O'Reilly, a lifetime Black Power member,

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Speaker 3: about what he makes of the situation with Operation Nickel,

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Speaker 3: the police force coming for crackdown on the gang patch,

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Speaker 3: the gang patch ban. Shortly now listen this banking inquiry Parliament.

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Speaker 3: I am losing faith in this sin quicksmarta. This feels

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Speaker 3: like a giant waste of our time because it basically

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Speaker 3: because I do not think that the MP's running this thing,

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Speaker 3: know what they're doing. The biggest story about the banks

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Speaker 3: in the last wee while is that they have been

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Speaker 3: forcing our farmers to cut their on farmer missions if

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Speaker 3: they want loans. And it's mad for a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 3: Number one, because it's not the job of the banks

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Speaker 3: to be telling a farm how you know how much

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Speaker 3: they can emit. This is they're not the climate change police.

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Speaker 3: And the second thing is that some of the banks

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Speaker 3: are making our dairy farmers cut emissions by more than

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Speaker 3: they're forcing Australian dairy farmers too, which is not fair,

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Speaker 3: or to levels lower that our levels will be lower

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Speaker 3: than the Assie dairy farmers. That's not fair.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 3: Did that feature prominently at the hearing today where ASB

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Speaker 3: Bank's CEO was there? Did that feature It was that

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Speaker 3: a massive part of the hearing today, like it should

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Speaker 3: have been. Not from what I can see. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm prepared to be wrong, but all the news coverage

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Speaker 3: ic they did not go that hard on ASB but

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Speaker 3: once again absolutely weirdly fixated on what the ASP bank

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Speaker 3: CEO is page we know you google it. You don't

704
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Speaker 3: need to ask them at the inquiry, just google it.

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Speaker 3: We already know it. Jeez. Honestly, News Talks eb.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather due to see Ellen drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 2: let's get connected and you talk.

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Speaker 1: As they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Police have announced Operation Nicol. This is an

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Speaker 3: operation dedicated to enforcing the Gang Patch Band, which kicks

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Speaker 3: in next week. They have held and this is the police,

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Speaker 3: They have held hundreds of meetings about it already, some

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Speaker 3: of those meetings with gangs to discuss the band. Dennis

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Speaker 3: O'Riley is a lifetime Black Power member and with us. Now,

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Speaker 3: hey Dennis, have you been at any of these meetings? Yes,

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Speaker 3: And what happens at the meetings.

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Speaker 4: Are the police did exactly what they said they did

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Speaker 4: that hi people as to what was going to happen

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Speaker 4: and the approach that they were going to take. I

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Speaker 4: think it was a pretty good initiative and let's see

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Speaker 4: how things roll out. I mean that was under the

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Speaker 4: leadership of the Commissioner Costa and he's a man that

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Speaker 4: you're heavily criticized and said that, you know, he was

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Speaker 4: politicizing the police. I think what the current minister is

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Speaker 4: doing is politicizing the police. He's certainly shown his colors

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Speaker 4: as a very competent Minister of Emergency Management. So we'll

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Speaker 4: see how he goes in the police role.

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Speaker 2: So what, Dennis, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, what I'm kind of confused about is what needed

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Speaker 3: to be discussed. I mean, surely the thing is the

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Speaker 3: band kicks in. If the cops see you with a

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Speaker 3: patch on, they take the patch off you. What else

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Speaker 3: do people need to know?

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Speaker 4: Well, I suppose it's when the rules change in a

737
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Speaker 4: pretty dramatic way, and so you start to get clarity

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Speaker 4: if you're wearing it in the car, if you had

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Speaker 4: a tonguey, if you're crossing the road, and all that

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Speaker 4: sort of stuff. So I mean it's pretty you know,

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Speaker 4: just a fundamental, good, good sort of exchange. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the police have invested heavily in this last well since

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Speaker 4: the since the two by raids and building up a

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Speaker 4: rapport with pro social gang leaders and to the degree

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Speaker 4: making life as safe for all parties as possible.

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Speaker 3: So what was the outcome, By the way, Dennis, I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you're wearing a patch in a car, does it

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Speaker 3: get taken off here?

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Speaker 7: Yep?

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Speaker 3: If you're wearing a patch crossing the road, does it

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Speaker 3: get taken off here?

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Speaker 21: Yep?

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Speaker 3: If you're by yourself, just loan, dude on a motorbike

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Speaker 3: going down the motorway taken off here?

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Really, it's quite hard out.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it is what it is, and god

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Speaker 4: damn it, it may work. You know, who knows it's

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Speaker 4: a discontinuity. But I'm sort of with you know, mister

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Speaker 4: Carhill from the Police Association. I mean, you know, we

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Speaker 4: just don't know what's going to happen, and so you

762
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Speaker 4: know we need you know, calm heads.

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Speaker 10: And steady hands and.

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Speaker 4: Careful words, I think, and let's just see how this

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Speaker 4: rolls out.

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Speaker 3: Cool, Dennis, thanks for talking us through. It's a bit

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Speaker 3: unpredictable as as much of politics at the moment. Appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: Dennis O. Rileigh, lifetime Black Power.

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Speaker 1: Member Heather do for see Ellen.

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Speaker 3: So it appears some schools are encouraging students to take

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Speaker 3: time off to go and attend the Hekoy protesting the

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Speaker 3: Treaty Principals Bill. There's an email from one school to

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Speaker 3: student's families doing the rounds of social media. It says

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Speaker 3: the school supports the ongoing Hikoy and any student who

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Speaker 3: attends the Hekoy with their parents will have their absence

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Speaker 3: marketers justified. David Seymour as party leader and also associate

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Speaker 3: education ministers with us. Now, hey, David, yeah, are you

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Speaker 3: frustrated by that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: I am, because educations the kids only real shot, especially

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Speaker 10: if you're born without much educations, your chance, your leadder

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Speaker 10: of opportunity. Call it what you will, and I'm pretty

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Speaker 10: sure that the treaty principals still will not disadvantage a

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Speaker 10: single child. But missing out on an education because you're

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Speaker 10: either not there or because you've got a principal who

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Speaker 10: thinks it's more important to be out joining a political

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Speaker 10: party process movement than learning to read maths and science

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Speaker 10: for the future, that disadvantages kids big time.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything you can actually do about us?

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Speaker 10: In practice, our schools are run by parent elected boards

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Speaker 10: with principles appointed by the board, so they self governing.

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Speaker 10: We can only publish the data and urge them to

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Speaker 10: do the right thing. Ultimately, it's up to communities say

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Speaker 10: to their principle through their school boards. We don't like

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Speaker 10: what you do and maybe it's time to get someone new.

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Speaker 3: So you see this as a breach of the Teaching

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Speaker 3: Council guidelines.

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Speaker 4: How so.

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Speaker 10: Well, principles are public servants required to show public sector neutrality.

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Speaker 10: So in theory someone could take a case that they

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Speaker 10: are breached political sorry, not public sector political neutrality. Sorry,

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Speaker 10: So that's that's certainly a case to be made.

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Speaker 3: Are you basically inviting someone to take a case?

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Speaker 10: Well, i'd certainly, you know, wouldn't be surprised if somebody

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Speaker 10: up there took a complaint to the Teaching Council and said,

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Speaker 10: I've got this principle that I thought was supposed to

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Speaker 10: be politically neutral and encouraging children to go to something which,

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Speaker 10: by the way, is not really a Maori protest. That's

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Speaker 10: a TEP Party Maori protest. The organizer, Kapa kingis the

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Speaker 10: son of many Kappa Kingi, the Mari Party MP is

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Speaker 10: also on the Parliamentary Payer. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 10: got leave or he's doing it textpayer.

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Speaker 3: Hey, because I was trying to establish that today. Is

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Speaker 3: he actually it's a party Marti staffer?

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Speaker 7: Is he?

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Speaker 10: Oh, that's right, he's in the database, So there's a

817
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Speaker 10: question around can you employ your family in the first place.

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Speaker 10: But even putting that aside, you know, should of parliamentary

819
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Speaker 10: stuff have been involved in that sort of political activity?

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Speaker 10: Is the kindest thing you can say is that's a

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Speaker 10: bit bulllin. But I just make the point that those principles,

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Speaker 10: you know, that they may not realize that this is

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Speaker 10: affictively a political party activity that they are endorsing too.

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Speaker 3: Right, Actually, David, thanks for pointing that out. David Seymore,

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Speaker 3: Associate Education mistoes at party leader. I'm going to come

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Speaker 3: back to that point that he just made about the

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Speaker 3: he koygather do for ce Ellen. Guess who's going to

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Speaker 3: the COP twenty nine climate talks? The Taliban. That's right,

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Speaker 3: Taliban are going to the COP twenty nine climate talks,

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Speaker 3: aren't they? So the Taliban, I mean, I don't know

831
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Speaker 3: if you know, but we don't really like the Taliban

832
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Speaker 3: around the world. There's some stuff that they're doing at

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Speaker 3: the moment we're not too cool with, like, I don't know,

834
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Speaker 3: oppressing women. I mean, the latest thing that they pulled

835
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Speaker 3: recently was women and not allowed to talk out loud

836
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Speaker 3: anymore in front of other women. Lest other women hear

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Speaker 3: their voices. Dear God, if the Taliban had to listen

838
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Speaker 3: to the show and be flipping out, wouldn't they They'd

839
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Speaker 3: be like, what the hell ban it? Many people think that,

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Speaker 3: but unfortunately, more fortunately, the Taliban is not running the show,

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Speaker 3: is it? But yeah? So, what's happened is the UN

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Speaker 3: has basically not let the Taliban take up Afghanistan seat

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Speaker 3: at the General Assembly of the UN because we don't

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Speaker 3: really like them very much and they're not formally recognized

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Speaker 3: by the UN Member states and stuff because of the

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Speaker 3: way that they treat women and they don't let them

847
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Speaker 3: go to school and all that kind of stuff, and

848
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Speaker 3: they impose limitations on their movement and stuff. But the

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Speaker 3: hosts of COP twenty nine decided this is azub but Azerbaijan.

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Speaker 3: They decided that invite the Taliban along. Yeah, so, because

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Speaker 3: you know, what's more important than a woman being able

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Speaker 3: to go to school? The climate apparently, what's more important

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Speaker 3: than a woman being able to speak out loud in public? Apparently? Anyway,

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Speaker 3: So glad that they've got their priorities right. I do

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Speaker 3: wanted to send some thoughts and prayers to the Taliban

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Speaker 3: today because it's been a lot of women there, a

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Speaker 3: lot of and they're not going to be covering up

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Speaker 3: and they're just gonna be talking. It's just gonna be

859
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Speaker 3: women talking like a lot of hot air at the thing.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, good luck to them because it's going to

861
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Speaker 3: be triggering, and I hope they are triggered. Frankly, quarter

862
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: past one million employees. BYD, the electric car giant is

863
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 3: about to crack one million employees. Now, last month, get this, okay,

864
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Speaker 3: they only had nine hundred thousand, but they are on

865
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Speaker 3: a mission to recruit one hundred thousand more employees this month.

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Speaker 3: The numbers are huge, but they need these kinds of

867
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Speaker 3: numbers because their sales growth is huge as well. So

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Speaker 3: last month in October alone, BYD sold and delivered over

869
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand cars worldwide. Now this is no surprise

870
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Speaker 3: to have a look at the numbers on the new

871
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: BYD Shark six super hybrid ude. I mean, for just

872
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Speaker 3: sixty nine, nine hundred and ninety dollars plus the on road,

873
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Speaker 3: you can get yourself a launch edition Shark six super

874
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Speaker 3: Hybrid truck. This thing is crazy. It runs at only

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Speaker 3: two liters of fuel per one hundred ks has all

876
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Speaker 3: the cutting edge BYD Tech. If a ut isn't your thing,

877
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Speaker 3: then you've got the BYD Dolphin Hatchback or the award

878
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Speaker 3: winning Atto three suv and don't forget, obviously the super

879
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: hybrid Sea Line six. And if absolutely none of those

880
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Speaker 3: cars suit and you are that picky, BYD is going

881
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Speaker 3: to be launching another fifteen new models in New Zealand

882
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: over the next two years. Fifteen. There's something there for everyone.

883
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Speaker 3: This really is disruption to an industry like never seen before.

884
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Speaker 3: For more, check out BYD Auto, dot co, dot.

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Speaker 1: Nz Keller do for c Allen.

886
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 7: Yeats bag Night for.

887
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: Auckland tonight because Coldplayer is going to play the first

888
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: of their three shows at Evening Park. Guys here reckon.

889
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 3: They're going to start around quarter past eight, So I'm

890
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: gonna check that out. So this seems early. Auckland Transports

891
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 3: set up special event buses to get you there whatever.

892
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: You can just walk along an official fantrail. There's a

893
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: bunch of ways to get there. Michelle Hooper is Tataki Unlimited,

894
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 3: Auckland Unlimited's head of major Events. Hey Michelle, Hi, Heather,

895
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: how are you eight fifteen on stage?

896
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 22: Well, that's what they're saying, that's the time they'll be there.

897
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 22: I won't be their life tonight, but I will be

898
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 22: there on Friday, but let's hope.

899
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: So I mean, they're really parents if they're doing that day,

900
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: because you know, normally a good kicks off at nine,

901
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: doesn't it. Yes, this is really big for the city,

902
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 3: isn't it. I Mean, I think a lot of people

903
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: are a bit like the Coldplay, but actually these guys

904
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: are huge.

905
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 22: They are absolutely global icons, and you know, I'm just

906
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 22: so pumped that, you know, Auckland's buzzing at the moment.

907
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 22: Is a city just come off the back of obviously

908
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 22: two amazing Pearl Jam concerts at go Media Stadium and

909
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 22: now I've got going into a tripleheader of Coldplay at

910
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Speaker 22: Eden Park, our most iconic New Zealand stadium. You know,

911
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 22: I really think it's just such a buzz for Auckland's

912
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 22: having such incredible entertainment back to back, you know, and

913
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Speaker 22: Coldplayer are such loyalists to Auckland. You know, I've been

914
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 22: to two of their concerts previously here and this is

915
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 22: obviously the third. They may even have come before I

916
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Speaker 22: got onto them, but.

917
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Speaker 3: It's just huge. You did we have to put up

918
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Speaker 3: any money as a city to lure them over.

919
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 22: We lured with what we could, but you know, we

920
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Speaker 22: plan a bit of a different ballpark to a lot

921
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 22: of other international cities, and we do rely on great

922
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 22: relationships with our event promoters and our stadiums and.

923
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Speaker 1: If it.

924
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Speaker 3: Sorry, what did we use to lure them over with

925
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 3: a better equity and.

926
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Speaker 22: Also a lot of you know, come on over and

927
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Speaker 22: you know, reward out your New Zealand fan base. We'll

928
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Speaker 22: show you a good time.

929
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Speaker 3: Michelle will give you a bit of cash. I've always

930
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: wondered how this works. So do we actually pay like,

931
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Speaker 3: do we actually pay them directly to come over? Is

932
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Speaker 3: that how it works?

933
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Speaker 22: It depends on we invest in the promoters and you know,

934
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Speaker 22: we work with the stadiums and the promoters on what

935
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Speaker 22: the best way to kind of make the compelling package

936
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Speaker 22: come together. And it really depends on the artists. You

937
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Speaker 22: know what they're looking for and you know how we

938
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Speaker 22: can work together as a group to facilitate what they

939
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Speaker 22: need in order to get.

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Speaker 7: Them over here.

941
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Speaker 22: Yeah, and it does take a lot of favorite of

942
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Speaker 22: teamwork because each each proposition is quite different.

943
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Speaker 3: Okay, listen, you're not going to tell me how much

944
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: you pay day.

945
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Speaker 22: It's a bit commercially sensored obviously because it's right on now.

946
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Speaker 3: But after the event it all comes out. Oh good,

947
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Speaker 3: we'll talk to you about it then, Michelle, thanks very

948
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 3: much appreciated. Michelle Hooper Auckland Unlimited, Head of Major Events.

949
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: That's how it works. It's how it works with FIFA.

950
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: The World Cup works with everything. You've got to pay

951
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Speaker 3: them to come over five two.

952
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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

953
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Speaker 2: Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

954
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Speaker 2: youth talks that'd be hither.

955
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Speaker 3: It's restrictions at Eden Park hence the early start. Yes,

956
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 3: I forgot Helen lives xtdoor coming up twenty five past

957
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: five listen on. I don't know if you're aware of it,

958
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 3: but about an hour ago the government launched a gender

959
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: pay tool and the thing is designed to help businesses,

960
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: you know, to tell a business if it's got a

961
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: gender pay gap and then also suggest ways for the

962
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: business to actually fix that gender pay gap. Now it's

963
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: going to rip your ninety what I'm about to say

964
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 3: to you. If you're a lady who rages about the

965
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: gender pay gap. So I'm giving you a trigger warning.

966
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: But I've been thinking about this a lot, and I

967
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: am somebody who is directly affected by this, given I

968
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 3: am a woman, and I am about to have a baby,

969
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: and I love earning money because frankly, who doesn't We

970
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 3: turn up to work to earn the dollars. Right, So

971
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: this is controversial, but I do not know that this

972
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: is entirely an employer problem anymore in the modern age. Right,

973
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 3: women are educated, women are capable, We're turning up, we're

974
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Speaker 3: getting employed.

975
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Speaker 7: Right.

976
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Speaker 3: I don't know that this is just an employer problem.

977
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: I think this is a woman problem. Now here's my tip.

978
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 3: If you are a woman and you don't want to

979
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 3: have a gender pay gap, don't take maternity leave. Make

980
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: the baby's father take the paternity leave. And don't always

981
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: be the one to stay home with the kids when

982
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: the kids are sick. Make the father stay at home

983
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: with the kids when the kids are sick. Because I

984
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 3: think that is now part of our problem. We are literally,

985
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 3: as women, a more unreliable workforce than men. Because think

986
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: about this. I mean, this is brutal, but it's true. Right,

987
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 3: If you are standing, if you've got an equally qualified

988
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: man and woman standing in front of you, let's say,

989
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: early thirties, married, but haven't had babies. You're gonna hire

990
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: the lady because I don't know about that. I'd look

991
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 3: at the lady and go, oh, she hasn't had babies yet,

992
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: So now she's gonna have babies. Now she's gonna want

993
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 3: to take a year off for every single baby. Now

994
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 3: when the baby's second got a bit of a cough,

995
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: the woman's gonna stay at home. She's unreliable. The guy

996
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: is more reliable. Guy gets the job right. So it's

997
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: because of what we want to do as women. I

998
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: was talking to a woman the other day who earns

999
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: more than her husband. She's awesome, that's why. And I

1000
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: said to her, now that you earn more and you're

1001
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: you want to have another baby, he'll be the one

1002
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: that stays home for a year with the baby, won't he,

1003
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: because that way you have more money coming into the house.

1004
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: And she's like, now I want to stay home with

1005
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: the baby. And I was like, well, how are you?

1006
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 3: Because also she's a woman who rages about the gender

1007
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: pay gap all the time. I was like, you can't

1008
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 3: have it both. Ways, How can you complain about earning

1009
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: less than men when you're prepared to take a year

1010
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 3: off work for your personal circumstances. Now, remember, it's not

1011
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: just a year off work that influences what you're getting

1012
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: paid here, right, it's the fact that the employers know

1013
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: that you're going to take a year off work and

1014
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 3: they're building that in already, and they're thinking about whether

1015
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: they promote you into a crucial job because you want

1016
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: to take time off work and you're gonna be the

1017
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: one at home with the kids. As I say, like,

1018
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: this is gonna this is controversial to say this, but

1019
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 3: I can say it because I'm a lady. I know

1020
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: that this is hard, and I know we want it

1021
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: all in the modern age, right, we want heaps of money,

1022
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: We want all the big jobs, and we also want

1023
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 3: to be the ones who stay at home and raise

1024
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: the babies when they come out. But life is tough

1025
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: and choices are tough, and I suspect women are gonna

1026
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 3: have to start helping themselves a little bit here by

1027
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 3: getting the dads to do the heavy lifting too, instead

1028
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 3: of just complaining that life ain't fair.

1029
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: Heather duplusy Ellen standing.

1030
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: By for the text machine to explode on me. You know,

1031
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: life ain't fair, so I'm gonna cop it. Hey, By

1032
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: the way, on another subject, she Hard have announced that

1033
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 3: they're going to break up, and this is you know,

1034
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: it's sad because they've been around for forty years, which

1035
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: is for many people like most of their adult lives.

1036
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 3: So we're gonna have a chat to John too Good,

1037
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: who's gonna be with us very shortly. News Talks z'b.

1038
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first.

1039
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: Heather Dupless allan drive with one New Zealand let's get

1040
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: connected and news talk z be.

1041
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 3: Come on, you're listening to this tune, You're like, why

1042
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: did I buy Teckis to go to col play tonight? Hey,

1043
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: it's going to be going by the way, I know

1044
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 3: she's working, mum going out on a Wednesday night?

1045
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 4: What am I thinking?

1046
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 6: Heather?

1047
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 3: We were all thinking that about the gender pay gap.

1048
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 3: You're right, Demo, you were hither, You're right in the money.

1049
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 3: I'm an employer and I agree exactly with what you

1050
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: just said about the gender pay gap and women being

1051
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: an unreliable workforce. And I am a woman. There you go,

1052
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: how about that? And I'm a woman too, Heather, that

1053
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: was so funny to listen to. My wife is exactly

1054
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: the same train of thought, and it's it's come down

1055
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 3: to fenness for the child. Omg, Heather, It's seldom I

1056
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: hear so much common sense spoken. So I was expecting

1057
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 3: to get I was expecting that you were going to

1058
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: give me like a hard time for this, but not

1059
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 3: at all here that I respect your opinion, but as

1060
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: a new mum and after a traumatic birth ending in

1061
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 3: the emergency sea section followed by severe post natal mental health,

1062
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: I wasn't able to return you to physical and mental health.

1063
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 3: Not to mention, I was also trying to breastfeed. Oh

1064
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 3: dear god, that's horrible breastfiting. I think it's a bit

1065
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 3: more complicated than what you've said, as there are so

1066
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 3: many other factors of play. Yeah, totally, and there will be.

1067
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 3: There will be outliers, cases like that, outliers. But not

1068
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 3: like my mate who decided that she wants to just

1069
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 3: forgo all the money in the house and stay at

1070
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 3: home for a year. Didn't she more than once, didn't she.

1071
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: Now we're going to get to chippy because I don't

1072
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 3: know if you're aware of this, but Chippy's joining the

1073
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 3: hecoy and there's a lot to talk about with that

1074
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: particular decision, so I'll run you through it before the

1075
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 3: end of this half hour. By the way, after six o'clock,

1076
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 3: Nikola Gregg, the minister responsible for this gender pay gap tool,

1077
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 3: will be with us in the huddle standing by twenty

1078
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 3: two actually twenty three away from.

1079
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: Six ever due Allen.

1080
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 3: So the bad news is that the rumors are true

1081
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 3: and she Hard will be after nearly forty years.

1082
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 7: Now.

1083
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 3: They've announced one last tour so you can still get

1084
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: to see them, and the demand is already so high

1085
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 3: for the tickets that the server on the website crash. Now,

1086
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: of course you know this. John too Good is the

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Speaker 3: lead singer.

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Speaker 10: John.

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Speaker 7: Hello, Hi, Heather, how are you going?

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Speaker 6: John?

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Speaker 3: I'm well, I'm sad at this news because you guys

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Speaker 3: have been a fixture of so many of our lives

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Speaker 3: growing up. I was only speaking to you, like, when

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Speaker 3: were you in the studio with me three or four

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Speaker 3: weeks ago? Did you already know you were doing this?

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Speaker 21: I did, but I couldn't say anything.

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Speaker 3: Were you dying to say something like it's one of

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Speaker 3: those secrets when we want to get it out.

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Speaker 21: It was a secret. You know, I was there to

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Speaker 21: talk about when you record, so you know, I wanted

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Speaker 21: to talk about that. So but it was something that

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Speaker 21: we've been sort of thinking about for a couple of

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Speaker 21: years now. And because when we were young, it was

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Speaker 21: always one hundred percent. She had all the time, even

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Speaker 21: before families, before everything all came first. And I think

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Speaker 21: we just got to that point where it was like,

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Speaker 21: to do this properly, we need to give it one

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Speaker 21: hundred percent of the time. But none of us we've

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Speaker 21: all got kids now, we've all got other things going on,

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Speaker 21: and it was just like, well, rather than end in

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Speaker 21: a whimper, let's go out with a band.

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Speaker 3: But hold on, John, I mean, you've got kids, but

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Speaker 3: Bono's got kids and they made it work.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, but we've also all got different businesses and jobs

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Speaker 21: and all sorts of things going on. So everyone's busy

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Speaker 21: all the time, and it's just this, this, this is

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Speaker 21: a great band that deserves that's full on attention. I

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Speaker 21: just think that we came to a sort of collective

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Speaker 21: agreement that we couldn't do that, and yeah, so it

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Speaker 21: was time to sort of put it to bed, but

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Speaker 21: put it to bed in a going out on a

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Speaker 21: high rather than going out with a whimper.

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Speaker 3: What are the other businesses you guys have got? Are

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Speaker 3: you guys holding down regular people jobs as well?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 21: Everyone does. I think Tom manages about three different bands

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Speaker 21: in Australia. Phil is basically a tour manager for international

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Speaker 21: acts around Australia. Carl a organic food store down in

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Speaker 21: Pokakoee stop it does he? Yeah? So it's there's everyone's

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Speaker 21: doing everything all this.

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Speaker 3: I come from Pookakoe. I'm gonna have to go and

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Speaker 3: visit Carl's store. John Okay, So you guys are gonna

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Speaker 3: you're gonna have You're gonna go out with one last

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Speaker 3: hurrah and is it going to be epic?

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Speaker 21: It is going to be absolutely epic. We've literally laid

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Speaker 21: down the gortlet to ourselves to make sure that we

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Speaker 21: cover the whole career, like from first EP right to

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Speaker 21: the last album. We're going to make sure that we

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Speaker 21: played bangers off every single one. But the other new

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Speaker 21: thing we've done which we've never done before, which is

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Speaker 21: we're going to make every show a bit different. So

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Speaker 21: usually when Sheeha go touring, we get acceptless together at

1143
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Speaker 21: the front of the tour and we just play it

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Speaker 21: to death. And this is the summer around. It's like,

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Speaker 21: no each We're going to make sure every show is

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Speaker 21: unique and different and special.

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Speaker 3: What's the song that you finish on, Well.

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Speaker 21: It'd be pretty hard to not play up in again

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Speaker 21: last Yeah, you know, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think you've nailed that. All right, John, listen,

1151
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Speaker 3: thank you, go well, And I'm I'm personally sad, but

1152
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Speaker 3: you know, all good things.

1153
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Speaker 7: Have to end.

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Speaker 21: Well, I think yeah, we're we're It's going to be

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Speaker 21: a bittersweet, but I think it's going to be at

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Speaker 21: the same time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it might well be. Go well, John

1158
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 3: too good. She Hard's lead singer. That's the one. You'd

1159
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Speaker 3: wait till the end of the concert for this one,

1160
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 3: wouldn't you. Absolutely? You were nineteen away from.

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Speaker 2: Six The Huddle with New Zealand's Tutherby's International Realty, Local

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Speaker 2: and Global Exposure.

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Speaker 3: Like no Huddle this evening is Nick Mills, Wellington Morning's

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Speaker 3: host and Fillo Riley I and Duke partners and former

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Speaker 3: Boss of Business New Zealand. Hell are you too here?

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Speaker 3: You are very well? Thank you? Are either of you

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Speaker 3: up here for the Coldplay concert in Auckland or no.

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Speaker 23: No, but they're mucking up. I was traveling up for

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Speaker 23: other reasons in my watch, taking you to get an airfare,

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Speaker 23: and it's a bit of does or you cold play?

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Speaker 23: People just stay home so I can travel up for

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Speaker 23: other reasons.

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Speaker 3: Please yeah, Now, don't go and see cold plate. The

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Speaker 3: wife needs to get up. What about you, Nick?

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Speaker 24: No, but I have a son that paid over six

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Speaker 24: hundred dollars for a return flight on Jetstar to go

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Speaker 24: to the concert tonight, so obviously there's a little bit

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Speaker 24: of demand for it here.

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Speaker 7: Nick, that is right.

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Speaker 3: That's a steal. In New Zealand was seven hundred dollars

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Speaker 3: one way, and that's if you could find a ticket. Nick, listen,

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Speaker 3: I just want to ask you this. I don't know

1183
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Speaker 3: that causing disruption at rush hour over the Harbor Bridge

1184
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Speaker 3: in Auckland was the smartest thing for the Hikoy organizers.

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Speaker 3: What do you think.

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Speaker 1: Are you coming to me?

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Speaker 4: At first?

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Speaker 24: I think that a protest is a protest, and I

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Speaker 24: think suck it up, Auckland. We're going to have it

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Speaker 24: on Tuesday and Wellington. I think that's the whole point

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Speaker 24: of the protesters to get as much attention as cause

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Speaker 24: as much a disruption as you possibly can.

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Speaker 3: About why why it's a good cause. It's a good cause, Nick,

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Speaker 3: Why do we assume that disruption is good for a protest?

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Speaker 3: Because as far as I can see it, all it

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Speaker 3: does is it drives people to be less sympathetic to

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Speaker 3: the protest and more sympathetic to the opposite, which is

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Speaker 3: David Seymour.

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Speaker 24: Can I tell you that I don't think in my

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Speaker 24: lifetime that I've had more apart from the obviously the

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Speaker 24: Parliament Grounds protest. Apart from that, I don't think that

1202
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Speaker 24: I've ever known the undercurrent of people that want to protest. Now,

1203
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Speaker 24: I work in the real world as well as working

1204
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Speaker 24: on z B, and I think that almost all my

1205
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 24: staff who are very unwoke are going to go on

1206
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Speaker 24: that protest.

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Speaker 1: Are they? Yeah?

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Speaker 24: And white, white, Chinese, black, yellow, green, whatever, doesn't make

1209
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Speaker 24: any difference. They don't like the idea of it, and

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Speaker 24: they're going to protest.

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Speaker 23: What do you think, Phil, Well, that's interesting because when

1212
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 23: you ever get the survey material, I'm not suggesting I'm

1213
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Speaker 23: for or against. When you get surveys, the majority of

1214
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 23: New Zealanders actually support something like this. Interestingly, now that

1215
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Speaker 23: when it comes to the when it comes to the protest.

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Speaker 3: So I always think when you say, can I just

1217
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 3: stop you there, because it's not clear to support something

1218
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Speaker 3: like this, support something like the.

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Speaker 23: Heat when you're asking no, no, not the equal with

1220
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 23: the treaty principles. In other word, to say that the

1221
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 23: whole of the public is opposed to this and there's

1222
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Speaker 23: just no shouting, that's not quite true actually, So just

1223
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 23: be cautious about that. But in terms of the protests,

1224
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 23: I've always thought that you need to be respectful. You

1225
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 23: can cause a bit of difficulty and so on. But

1226
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 23: when you're shouting and streaming and carrying on and trying

1227
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 23: to say everything is at fault and it's all terrible

1228
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 23: and so on, which is really what's been happening. It's

1229
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Speaker 23: all of shouting and screaming going on here. I'm not

1230
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 23: sure that's conducive to the public actually listening to the

1231
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Speaker 23: arguments and understanding. And this has become really in evidence

1232
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Speaker 23: free debate, this whole debate, everybody's shouting and screaming at

1233
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 23: each other, I think, and I think some sober reflection

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00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 23: is actually necessary. One of the things that worries me

1235
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 23: heither is there's nobody really he's able to bring it

1236
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Speaker 23: together here to say, you know, this is what we

1237
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 23: really think. You've got people shouting out to the left,

1238
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 23: through the through the Mariy Party, You've got David Seymour,

1239
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 23: you know, arguably, you know, getting into it from the

1240
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 23: other side. There's not enough sober voices, reflective voices saying

1241
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 23: here's here's the way through this this debate. And I

1242
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 23: don't think he cays across the Harbor Bridge, which which

1243
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 23: just annoy Aorkland traffic again to sold much and to

1244
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 23: nix point us. Wellingtoning is are used to this because

1245
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 23: with the capital, I know you think we need to

1246
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 23: suck it up on the Capitol. That's what protests we're

1247
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 23: all about. I don't think it's a good idea to

1248
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 23: be stopping mums and dads and kids taking people to

1249
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 23: the doctor on a on a Tuesday morning, Wednesday morning,

1250
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Speaker 23: whatever it was. I just do think that damages the

1251
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 23: capacity for us to have the right debate about the

1252
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 23: future of race relations.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, didn't.

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Speaker 21: We didn't.

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Speaker 24: We didn't really care when people were gluing their hands down.

1256
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Speaker 3: So we did, are you talking about?

1257
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 24: Yeah, Well, we didn't make this as big a deal

1258
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 24: about people gluing their hands down and doctor has not

1259
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 24: been able.

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Speaker 6: To get to what are you talking about?

1261
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Speaker 3: I was on the radio saying they should be put

1262
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Speaker 3: in jail.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I was pretty I was pretty exercised issue for

1264
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 23: that very reason that there was pointless you know.

1265
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So listen, you don't live in the real world, mate,

1266
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 3: you live in Wellington. You live in Wellington. It's different,

1267
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Speaker 3: isn't it.

1268
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: No, I live in the real world.

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Speaker 7: Definitely liver the real.

1270
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Speaker 3: Your dream and hold on, hang on a tech. We've

1271
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 3: just got to take a break, come back and just

1272
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 3: to take quarter two.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the marketing.

1274
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Speaker 1: Of your home.

1275
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Speaker 3: Back on the Huddle, Nick Mills and Phillo Raleigh, Phil.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about Donald Trump pointing Elon Musk

1277
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Speaker 3: if it's.

1278
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Speaker 23: One of those things that looks really good and not

1279
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Speaker 23: that Elon will say something, since in fact that there

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Speaker 23: was a who tells me that the federal government in

1281
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 23: the United States is anything but bloated. So Ian will

1282
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 23: say some stuff and there'll be a lot of who

1283
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 23: play around it. Whether it actually means anything, of course,

1284
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 23: will be will be kind of a different thing altogether,

1285
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 23: but you know, it's it's the sort of thing new

1286
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 23: presence and indeed new prime ministers who they appoint famous

1287
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 23: people to give them recommendations that might or might not

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00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 23: be implemented, and if they are, usually implemented very very differently.

1289
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Speaker 23: But it'll all be good, good grist to the mill

1290
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Speaker 23: for the for the right wing media and for the

1291
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 23: talk show hosts and so on. I'll be able to

1292
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 23: talk about it, but I don't think it'll mean very much.

1293
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon, Nick?

1294
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Speaker 24: I think that that's a very very smart idea. The

1295
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 24: richest man in the world on your side trying to

1296
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 24: help you make more money for your country. I mean,

1297
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Speaker 24: it's pretty simplictic.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty good. Pr Is that what you mean? That's

1299
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 3: a better and a good idea.

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Speaker 9: You'll come up with something.

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Speaker 24: You don't think the richest man and the cleverest man

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Speaker 24: in the world, or one of the cleverest men in

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Speaker 24: the world ain't going to help you by coming up

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Speaker 24: with a good idea.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean I suppose if you're looking for

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Speaker 3: a good idea, he might be the guy to help

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Speaker 3: you out.

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Speaker 7: Eh.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel feel like climbing into the gender pay

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Speaker 3: gap and why it actually exists and whether we need

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Speaker 3: this tool.

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Speaker 23: Well, I've been doing it for years. Actually, the gender

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Speaker 23: pay gap is real, and the fact that you know

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Speaker 23: it exists is one thing. And one of the things

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Speaker 23: you's fine is when you when a company says, oh,

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Speaker 23: my gender pay gap is seventeen percent or whatever it is,

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Speaker 23: that's typically what it is in New Zealand, people say, oh,

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Speaker 23: you're you're sexist, you're not paying one enough, and blah

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Speaker 23: blah blah. Actually there's reasons why it exists. There logical reasons.

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Speaker 23: There's reasons that you can actually work on. And one

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Speaker 23: of the things I like about thinking about the gender

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Speaker 23: pay gap in the right way is if you then

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Speaker 23: understand what the drivers of it are, then you can

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Speaker 23: actually do something about it. When you don't know and

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Speaker 23: you just know there's a gap, which you tend to

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Speaker 23: get is a lot of ranting and raving the point

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Speaker 23: your fingers and so on. So if the government's going

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Speaker 23: to do that, and I'm not sure they've got a

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Speaker 23: role to do it, frankly, I think the private sector

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Speaker 23: should be doing it themselves. Frankly, If the government is

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Speaker 23: going to do it, then they need to work with

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Speaker 23: the private sector on what really matters, which is the

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Speaker 23: drivers and the what the private sector and the public sector,

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Speaker 23: who also have a gender pay gap, can do about

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Speaker 23: resolving it. That's the best way through rather than simply

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Speaker 23: pointing fingers because one existence saying look at that terrible. Actually,

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Speaker 23: there's usually reasons why it exists that are objective that

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Speaker 23: are nothing to do with sexism that we can get

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Speaker 23: on and solve.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a gender pay gap? Nick?

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Speaker 23: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 24: And my argument for this is Heather, and I've said

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Speaker 24: it quite a few times on air, if there is

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Speaker 24: this huge but gap, can you please pay me what

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Speaker 24: you pay either.

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Speaker 15: Two per see out on and I'll be very very

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Speaker 15: happy man. I would be the happiest man and willing

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Speaker 15: to We'll fix that tender gap. Just pay me what

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Speaker 15: you pay either. I don't see there's any problem. Three hours,

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Speaker 15: five days a week.

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Speaker 3: Same job, basically, Neked's the same job, same job.

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Speaker 24: I was the one that got the story that you're

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Speaker 24: going on about last week and the week before.

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to be paid the same as Hosking.

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Speaker 3: Then show me the money they were in drum the

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Speaker 3: money the business is going to be bankrupt and a

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Speaker 3: tecond fair point there. Okay, guys, listen, thank you, I

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Speaker 3: really appreciate it. Go and enjoy the rest of the evening.

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Speaker 3: And that's Nick Mills and Philo Riley a huddle this evening.

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Speaker 3: It's nine away from six red or.

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Speaker 1: Blue, Trump or Harris who will win the battleground states.

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Speaker 2: The latest on the US election is Heather Duplicy Alan

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Speaker 2: drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected use talks'd be.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I was waiting for this text to come in, Heather.

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Speaker 3: As much as you hate Nceea, I've just done the

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Speaker 3: scholarship geography exam about demographics. Now, from what I've learned,

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Speaker 3: don't you think we should be having encouragements for women

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Speaker 3: to have babies to stop New Zealand's abysmal plummeting fertility.

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Speaker 3: It's widely agreed that population decline is one of the

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Speaker 3: biggest crises we have upcoming in the world. Interesting, right,

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Speaker 3: because if you listen to what phil O'Riley just said,

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Speaker 3: he said, we do have a gender gap problem, and

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Speaker 3: the gender gap is there for very specific reasons which

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Speaker 3: we can change and fix to get women paid the

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Speaker 3: same as men. So if you believe that what I

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Speaker 3: am saying is correct, which is that part of the

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Speaker 3: reason have not the predominant reason that women are paid

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Speaker 3: less than men nowadays is because we are taking maternity leave,

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Speaker 3: we are the primary parents. Then the easiest way to

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Speaker 3: fix that is, ladies, can you please stop having babies? Like,

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Speaker 3: if you could just stop being parents and just focus

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Speaker 3: on work, you'll be paid exactly the same as the blokes.

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Speaker 3: Is that the world that we want, I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: it is, And so I'm not sure that this kind

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Speaker 3: of like absolute focus on getting women, all women paid

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Speaker 3: exactly the same as men is exactly it is necessarily

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Speaker 3: what we want, because maybe actually what we want is

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Speaker 3: people to be able to choose have your baby. If

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Speaker 3: that makes you happy, go and be a mum if

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Speaker 3: you can afford it. That's tell you what. It's a

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Speaker 3: bloody easier life, isn't it than having to work and

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Speaker 3: be a mom at the same time. So yes, to

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Speaker 3: your point, Actually, maybe we're doing ourselves in the eye

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Speaker 3: by being like, ladies need to work, work, work, work,

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Speaker 3: and we're forgetting that actually having children is kind of

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Speaker 3: what we're here for, right, And so we're our fertility

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Speaker 3: rate is falling through the floors of Fairpoint. Now listen

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Speaker 3: on Chippy Chris Hopkins. This is what he said today

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Speaker 3: about joining this hekoy.

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Speaker 1: Well, you join the he koi?

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Speaker 16: Yes, so, Well, when they arrive in Wellington, I'll absolutely

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Speaker 16: be going to join them.

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Speaker 1: I will be there to listen. I will be there

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Speaker 1: to express my support for their cause.

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Speaker 3: What a fool. So the leader of the opposition, the

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Speaker 3: leader of the Labor Party, is going to join ahkhoy

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Speaker 3: organized by the Maori Party. So this hikoi is not

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Speaker 3: a This is not a the old Maori hikoy. This

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01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 3: is not an uprising of the Maori people. This is

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Speaker 3: a Maori Party organized hikoi organized by a staffer of

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Speaker 3: the Maori Party. As you heard David Semill say earlier

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Speaker 3: on the payroll son of one of the MP's was

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Speaker 3: a candidate. Like, the Maori Party is through this thing,

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01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 3: through and through. So the leader of the Labor Party

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Speaker 3: is going to go and join a Maori Party protest.

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Speaker 3: Now what does that tell you about who's running the

1419
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Speaker 3: show here? And also, like so for a start, that's

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Speaker 3: a really stupid idea. That's like Chris Laxon joining something

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Speaker 3: organized by the Act Party. That's dumb. But also on

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Speaker 3: top of that, are you sure you want to align

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Speaker 3: yourself with the Marhori Party, because that seems to me

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Speaker 3: to be Labour's biggest problem forming a coalition government potentially

1425
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 3: in two years time when the next selection rolls around,

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Speaker 3: the vast majority of New Zealand does not support the

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Speaker 3: Marori Party. They are pretty radical, they are wild right

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Speaker 3: with some of the suggestions and the language and stuff

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Speaker 3: like that. I think that the biggest problem the Labor

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Speaker 3: Party's got is that when they line up and they

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Speaker 3: go and we're proposing the three of us myself, the

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Speaker 3: Labor Party and the Greens and the Marty Party, we

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Speaker 3: will be the next government. New Zealand's going to go

1434
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Speaker 3: and we're not going to vote for you. Nut. So

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01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 3: that his mates now are they? Is he going to

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Speaker 3: go along to that? I just wonder if if wiser

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01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 3: heads may need to prevail on Chris Hapkins there and

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Speaker 3: just let him help him just to think this one through,

1439
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 3: because I don't know that this is a smart move

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Speaker 3: for him anyway. Listen Nicola Gregg, who is the woman,

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Speaker 3: the minister who's come up with a gender payeool, She's

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Speaker 3: going to be with us next. And then also Prince

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01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 3: William has been declared the world's sexiest bald man. Well,

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Speaker 3: we have to talk about this actually, News Talks D.

1445
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: What's up, what's down on?

1446
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Speaker 2: What for the major calls and how will it affect

1447
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Speaker 2: the economy of the big business questions on the Business

1448
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 2: Hour with Hinder Duplicy Allen and my Hr on News TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, Tesla's doing

1450
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 3: pretty well off the Trump election. We'll have a chat

1451
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 3: to Milford Asset Management about that shortly. If you think

1452
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 3: your insurance premiums have gone up, wait till you hear

1453
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 3: from janetub Trainey what apartment owners are having to pay.

1454
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 3: And also a group of have written to the government

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01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 3: warning them off the Treaty Principles bills, so we'll speak

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01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 3: to one of them right now. It's coming up eight

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Speaker 3: past six. Now, as it was telling you earlier, the

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01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 3: government has launched a calculator to help businesses work out

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Speaker 3: their gender pay gap.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 3: The calculator can be found on the Ministry for Women's

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Speaker 3: website and the hope that businesses will realize what the

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Speaker 3: pay gap is and then address the pay gap and

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Speaker 3: Nikola greg Is the Minister for Women. Hey Nikoler, Hello,

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Speaker 3: how about you? Good? Did you hear my rantet five

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Speaker 3: twenty five?

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Speaker 25: I did?

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Speaker 26: Thought well, Look, I mean I took matunity leaves. It's

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Speaker 26: up the women individually. Look, I speak to lots and

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Speaker 26: lots of women led to businesses. I was with a

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Speaker 26: bunch of lawyers recently. Some of them told me they

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Speaker 26: went back to work after six weeks. So look, I

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Speaker 26: don't respectfully here that I don't necessarily agree with you.

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Speaker 26: I think it's up to the individual and all power

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Speaker 26: to of course, and equally to BOTHO want to be

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Speaker 26: munth I not totally.

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Speaker 3: Everybody can decide. But you don't get everything right. So

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Speaker 3: if you want to take a year's and you'll leave

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Speaker 3: every time you have a baby, you want to be

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Speaker 3: the one that stays home with the baby. You want

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Speaker 3: to be the primary parent. Don't don't bitch and moan

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Speaker 3: when you're not getting paid the same as your male peers. Yeah.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, And you know what, you touched on a really

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Speaker 26: salient point here, because we've got a pay gap at

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Speaker 26: about eight point two percent. We've driven that down quite

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Speaker 26: hard in recent years, and now it's got really sticky,

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Speaker 26: and that's because of what we call these unconscious biases,

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Speaker 26: and a lot of that is driven by women who

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Speaker 26: choose to exit the workforce to stay home and be months.

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Speaker 26: And again, that's awesome and I love that they want

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Speaker 26: to do that, but this is why we have to

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Speaker 26: start encouraging businesses to really open up, get really brave,

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Speaker 26: measure their pay gap and then if they want to

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Speaker 26: take action to start to reduce it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, what I'm worried about this thing doing right

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Speaker 3: is that there will be unintended consequences. So there will

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Speaker 3: be a lot of businesses where, for example, they have

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Speaker 3: a lot perhaps they employ majority women, like thirty percent blogs,

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Speaker 3: seventy percent women, and maybe at the top levels of

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Speaker 3: the business. And I'm thinking about someone in particularly at

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Speaker 3: the top levels is the business is pretty even fifty

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Speaker 3: to fifty. But then they've got the gigantic workforce underneath

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01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 3: the women, right, so they're cheap women working there. What

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Speaker 3: they will do, Nikola, is they will not pay those

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Speaker 3: women more. They will simply next time a woman leaves,

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Speaker 3: replace it with a man. Replace it with a man.

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Speaker 3: Replace it with a man, replace it with man. And

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Speaker 3: the unintended consequence is that for some women in certain

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Speaker 3: pay bands, it gets hard to get a job.

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Speaker 26: You know, I don't necessarily agree with that. I don't

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Speaker 26: think businesses will do that. I mean, we've road tested

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Speaker 26: this thing really really widely with all sorts of businesses,

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Speaker 26: including those gender heavy ones that you're talking about, but

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Speaker 26: probably the inverse of that, like Port of Auckland, like

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Speaker 26: various contracting and constructing companies. So look, they're obviously really

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Speaker 26: keen to delve into this because we know that it

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Speaker 26: will open up a workforce toudent that will unleash a

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Speaker 26: wider talent caulled ttom. You know, we know that employing

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Speaker 26: more women is all around diverse thing, canigraater and invasion

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Speaker 26: and proved decision making, all kind of thing. So I

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Speaker 26: don't necessarily think this is going to drive people away

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Speaker 26: from employing women. In fact, I think they're going to

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Speaker 26: see the power of it and it's going to leave

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Speaker 26: something quite cool.

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Speaker 3: This particular tool. Is it completely private, Like I can

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Speaker 3: go on if I wanted to type in my business

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Speaker 3: and all the details and nobody would even know that

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Speaker 3: I've done it. I don't need to display it.

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Speaker 26: Yes, yes, absolutely, and each business can choose to do

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Speaker 26: the whole organization or to your point earlier, they can

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Speaker 26: drill down by sector, so you can can drill down

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Speaker 26: any management, mid level management and so on and so forth,

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Speaker 26: so you can equate. You can calculate out your gender

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Speaker 26: pay within each of those segments within your business.

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Speaker 3: And then what is the possible advice that can be

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Speaker 3: given to businesses to address it? Is it not simply

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Speaker 3: paid that woman more?

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Speaker 26: No, it's really really user friend Now I've run through

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Speaker 26: it a couple of times myself. It's going to be

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Speaker 26: hosted on the Ministry for Women's website and business end there.

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Speaker 26: So we're going to get it out as wide as

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Speaker 26: we can possibly go and all of so A is

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Speaker 26: the calculator, but B then that there are a whole

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Speaker 26: he guides that you can then download help you address

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Speaker 26: that pay gap, and that they have been informed by

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Speaker 26: international best factors. But also, I think more importantly New

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01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 26: Zealand business. We want to create something that is designed

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Speaker 26: by business for business to the unique New Zealand environment.

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Speaker 26: So therefore you know as applicable to them and their

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Speaker 26: context to operate it.

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Speaker 3: Nicola, thank you very much for taking the time to

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Speaker 3: talk to us. It's Nicola Gregg, the Minister for Women.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to talk very shortly to Milford Asset Management

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Speaker 3: about Oh, by the way, I need to tell you

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Speaker 3: about Elon Musk because obviously Elon Musk's business is doing

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Speaker 3: well and he tweeted out today threat to democracy. Nope,

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Speaker 3: threat to bureaucracy, which is actually quite clever. So that

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Speaker 3: deserved to mention, didn't it Not a good start for

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Speaker 3: the Crown Observer who has been pointed to babysit Wellington

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Speaker 3: City Council. This is Lindsay McKenzie. Bloke didn't turn up

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Speaker 3: to the meeting today, which is unfortunate because it was

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Speaker 3: his first day on the job. And what makes it

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Speaker 3: even more unfortunate is he has paid one thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: a day to be there, but grudgingly paid one thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars a day because the people paying him one thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars today are the Wellington City Council who don't really

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Speaker 3: want him there. He didn't turn up to the meeting

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Speaker 3: apparently a bit of trouble getting there. So this is

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Speaker 3: one of the hazards I think of living in Nelson

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Speaker 3: and working two days a week in Wellington there were

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Speaker 3: travel delays apparently so might be I don't know, as

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Speaker 3: from one former commuter to a current commuter. Better to

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Speaker 3: catch the playing the night before thirteen.

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Speaker 3: employees leave during their first year in the job. So

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Speaker 3: that's the case. It makes it really good business sense,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it, to ensure that every new hire gets the

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Speaker 1: Ever do for ce Ellens hither I employ.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and five people. I recently recruited a CFO.

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Speaker 3: The top runner was a woman. We had to pass

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Speaker 3: on the woman because she couldn't commit to traveling to

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Speaker 3: our offices in Taiwan and Vietnam, and she also had

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Speaker 3: issues with the weekly late call with management because it

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01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 3: interfered with her cooking dinner. Seventeen past six. Now, if

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Speaker 3: your home insurance premiums have gone up, sparethal for owners

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Speaker 3: of apartments and also multi unit buildings because it looks

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Speaker 3: like they have been hit Exit for hard. Gnative trainee

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Speaker 3: as The Herald's Wellington Business editor, Hey your name.

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Speaker 5: Hey Heather?

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Speaker 3: How hard have they been hit?

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Speaker 20: Well?

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Speaker 27: Pretty hard, and it really depends on where you live.

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Speaker 27: The Treasury recently surveyed a bunch of apartment and other

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Speaker 27: multi unit building owners. It only surveyed one hundred and

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Speaker 27: forty two of them, so quite a small sample size,

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Speaker 27: but from that group it found that in Wellington and

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Speaker 27: the five years to twenty twenty three, those premiums rose

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Speaker 27: by fifty eight percent, and in Auckland they doubled. Now,

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Speaker 27: by way of context, you know, houses on standalone houses

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Speaker 27: owned and by people who live in them, those premiums

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Speaker 27: only increased by thirty percent over that time, So we're

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Speaker 27: looking at thirty percent versus fifty eight or one hundred percent. Now, Wellington, particularly,

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Speaker 27: those premiums were super high, about eight thousand, two hundred

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Speaker 27: dollars a year, much lower in Auckland at about one

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Speaker 27: eight hundred. Now, these are numbers the Treasury Collee collected

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Speaker 27: a little bit roper, you know, because that sample sizes

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Speaker 27: is small, But I think that general trend is there,

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Speaker 27: those multi unit building premiums shooting up much more quickly

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Speaker 27: than regular insurance.

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Speaker 3: I tell you what I found fascinating was that the

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Speaker 3: respondents who were talking about they said that the earthquake

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Speaker 3: strengthening that they had done on their buildings hadn't lowered

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Speaker 3: their insurance premiums. Why not?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, you know, I think that is a real blow

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Speaker 27: because I know some body corps are sinking really large

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Speaker 27: sums of money into getting the buildings up to standard

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Speaker 27: and you think if you do that it would make

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Speaker 27: a difference. The insurers told the Treasury that actually, just

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Speaker 27: because a building meets the standards, the building standards to

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Speaker 27: make it really safe, doesn't mean to say that that

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Speaker 27: building won't be damaged. So the building could still be

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Speaker 27: damaged and therefore costs the insurer a lot, even if

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Speaker 27: it's built in such a way that keeps people safe.

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Speaker 27: So I think that is a real blow. The Treasury

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Speaker 27: reckons that the amount you could save is only about

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Speaker 27: ten percent on your premium if you go to all

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Speaker 27: that hassle and expense to you know, to get your

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Speaker 27: building up scratch.

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Speaker 3: This is fascinating. And then really quickly, why is Treasury

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Speaker 3: pairing back its monitoring of the insurance costs?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, you know, this had me scratching my head. Previously,

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Speaker 27: the Treasury got Finity Consulting, which is the scrip of actuaries,

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Speaker 27: to do these quarterly reports that go into much greater

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Speaker 27: detail than the survey we've just been talking about, really

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Speaker 27: sort of gnally stuff to see how much insurance is

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Speaker 27: costing and what the coverage is like. That has only

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Speaker 27: happening annually. Now I think that is probably a cost

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Speaker 27: saving thing Also, the Treasury is no longer as interested

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Speaker 27: in monitoring how the private insurance market is responding to

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01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 27: EQUC doubling its coverage. So in twenty twenty two, EQC

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Speaker 27: took on a whole lot more risk. Everyone was worried

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Speaker 27: that if that happened, the insurers wouldn't actually cut their premiums.

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Speaker 27: That didn't actually happen, which is why the Treasury was

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Speaker 27: monitoring it, So it's pairing that back. The thing I

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Speaker 27: think is significant here is that the government is acknowledging

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Speaker 27: that it can't really do anything about this risk based pricing,

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Speaker 27: the fact that some property owners face very, very high

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Speaker 27: insurance bills. In fact, the government is happy for this

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Speaker 27: to happen because if insurers kind of do the dirty

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Speaker 27: work making people who live in risky properties pay more insurance,

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Speaker 27: that encourages people move to move to safer areas, which

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Speaker 27: means if there's a storm or something bad, the government

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01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 27: doesn't effectively have to bail out those people. So that

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Speaker 27: government is actually quietly happy for the insurance industry to

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Speaker 27: do a lot of the heavy lifting encouraging people to

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Speaker 27: move to safer places.

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Speaker 3: I see that makes sense. Thanks very much, appreciate It

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Speaker 3: is Gennative trainee, the Herald's Wellington Business Editor. Probably the

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Speaker 3: biggest news out of England today is that out of

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Speaker 3: the UK's at the Church of the head of the

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Speaker 3: Church of England's Justin Welby has resigned. I feel like

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Speaker 3: that I mangled that sentence as we try that again.

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Speaker 3: The Head of the Church of England, who is Justin Welby,

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Speaker 3: has resigned. Now he has resigned, and this is a

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01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 3: big deal because it was revealed he didn't tell the

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Speaker 3: police about the chap who was a serial abuser and

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Speaker 3: it's both physical and sexual and he was a volunteer

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Speaker 3: regularly at Christian summer camps and stuff like that. So

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Speaker 3: we're going to have a chat to our I think

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Speaker 3: it's Gail Downey for us this evening, our UK correspondent

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Speaker 3: before the end of the program six twenty.

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Speaker 2: One, croaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather

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Speaker 2: Duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour. Thanks to my HR

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Speaker 2: the HR solution for busy smys on News Talks FB.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's reasonably significant this Forty two members of the

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Speaker 3: King's Council, which is the country's most senior legal minds,

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01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 3: have written an open letter to the government calling on

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Speaker 3: them to abandon the treaty principles. Bill will chat to

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Speaker 3: one of them, get you across that detail in about

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Speaker 3: twelve minutes. It's twenty four past six. Stephanie Bachelor, Milford

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Speaker 3: Asset Management. Hey, Steph, Hi heiber Steph. We've had about

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Speaker 3: a week of trading now since Trump won the election.

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Speaker 3: So what are you seeing a week on in terms

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Speaker 3: of themes positive or negative? Now that the dusters may

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Speaker 3: be settled a little bit.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, So there's been a lot going on, but it's

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Speaker 28: all really been a risk on at each driven by

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Speaker 28: the fact that most of Trump's policies are very pro growth. So,

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Speaker 28: for example, small and medium sized businesses, particularly in software,

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Speaker 28: have done very well and they're expected to see a

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Speaker 28: boost from his supportive business policies things like tax cuts

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Speaker 28: and less regulation. Another sector benefiting from that deregulation theme

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Speaker 28: is financials. They've done very well, also helped by tax

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Speaker 28: cuts and more supportive conditions for mergers and acquisitions. Another

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Speaker 28: one is consumer discretionary, so that's moved higher. It's a

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Speaker 28: sector that tends to do well as growth picks up,

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01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 28: and now that the overhang of the election has gone

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01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 28: and we're heading into the holiday season. It's expected that

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01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 28: consumers will start feeling good and spending again. But on

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Speaker 28: the flip side, of course, the consumer companies that are

1719
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Speaker 28: exposed to tariffs, so for example, any companies that import

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Speaker 28: goods from China, they've been seeing a bit of pressure.

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Speaker 28: And another area that's seeing pressure is clean energy or renewables. So,

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Speaker 28: as you know, Trump supports traditional oil and gas, expected

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Speaker 28: to enact supportive policy there while reversing some of the

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Speaker 28: more green friendly policies.

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Speaker 3: But how long is it going to take for him

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Speaker 3: to implement some of these policies.

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Speaker 28: Well, it's looking like it will be a red sweep,

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Speaker 28: so Republicans in both the Senate and the House, so

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Speaker 28: that will make it a lot easier for Trump to

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Speaker 28: enact as policies, but he still will need to convince

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Speaker 28: the more moderate members of his party and there are

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Speaker 28: still some checks and balances in place. The makeup of

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Speaker 28: his cabinet appointees will also be key, and he's going

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Speaker 28: through that process right now. But in terms of timing,

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Speaker 28: so it's thought that tax cuts might be the first

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Speaker 28: cab off the rank. He's hoping to see those flow

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Speaker 28: on growth impacts much more quickly than he did when

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Speaker 28: he implemented tax cuts back in his first term. Whereas

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Speaker 28: the more extreme policies, so the ones around tariffs and immigration,

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Speaker 28: they'll probably take a little bit longer to implement. And

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Speaker 28: he'll also want to be quite careful because those sorts

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Speaker 28: of policies are more inflationary, and he's not going to

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Speaker 28: want to derail his sort of overarching plan, which is

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Speaker 28: to stimate growth and boost US businesses.

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Speaker 3: Tesla has appears to have been one of the big

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Speaker 3: winner's post election. I mean their shares, we're up a

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Speaker 3: I think something like forty percent over four days. Why

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Speaker 3: has it been so strong?

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Speaker 28: Yes, So a large part of it is that Elon

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Speaker 28: Musk has been one of Trump's most visible and outspoken supporters,

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Speaker 28: and Trump seems to view him as a trusted voice.

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Speaker 28: So he's apparently been spending a lot of time with

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Speaker 28: Trump since the election, you know, even weighing in on

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Speaker 28: staffing decisions for the next administration. And actually Trump has

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Speaker 28: just confirmed that Musk, along with one other will lead

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Speaker 28: a new Department of Government Efficiency, and so they'll be

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Speaker 28: tasked with cutting bureaucracy, wasteful spending, removing excess regulations and

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Speaker 28: even restructuring federal agencies. So this is certainly going to

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Speaker 28: give him a lot of power, and Musk has presumably

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Speaker 28: also been hoping that Trump will make certain decisions that

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Speaker 28: will help his various businesses.

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Speaker 3: That he has, hence the rally in his stock price.

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Speaker 3: All right, now, the Fed it cut the rates by

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Speaker 3: a quarter of a scent last week, which is pretty

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Speaker 3: much expected. I think we've had quite a few conversations now,

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Speaker 3: you know, on the show in the last few days,

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Speaker 3: where it's starting to look like Trump's victory actually means

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Speaker 3: the interest rate cuts are not as strong as we

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Speaker 3: would have thought. Would that be what you think?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 28: On the FED chair, Jeroon Power was specifically asked at

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Speaker 28: on the press conference and sort of saying, you know,

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Speaker 28: can the election outcome impact the path for future interest

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Speaker 28: rate cuts? And his response was that for now, there's

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Speaker 28: no immediate impact, given we don't know the timing or

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Speaker 28: substance of any new policies. So he said, you know,

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Speaker 28: we don't guess, we don't speculate, we don't assume, So

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Speaker 28: for now they do remain on a rate cutting path.

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Speaker 28: But obviously how Trump's policies end up impacting the economic

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Speaker 28: data further down the track will have an effect. And

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Speaker 28: so I mentioned a lot of his policies are inflationary,

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Speaker 28: and so that would reduce the number of rate cuts

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Speaker 28: that the Fed implements. And actually the market is already

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Speaker 28: starting to price that in. So it's pricing in that

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Speaker 28: rate cuts will potentially stop much earlier and at a

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Speaker 28: rate that's much higher versus what was expected you back

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Speaker 28: in a few months ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Steph, thank you so much. Stephanie Bachelor Milford Asset Management. Right,

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Speaker 3: we're off to the ca c's next US talks it B.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro, micro or just playing economics. It's all

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Speaker 2: on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my Hr.

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Speaker 2: The HR solution for busy SMEs used talks a B.

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Speaker 6: MABE for the first time, baby.

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Speaker 3: Either the head of the Church of England is actually

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Speaker 3: King Charles and the archbishop who resigned justin Welby as

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Speaker 3: a cleric under him. Thank you, Karen Ow and enjoy

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Speaker 3: cold play tonight. And thank you again, Karen. You are

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Speaker 3: correct on what you said about King Charles being the

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Speaker 3: head there. I apologize for that. We will talk to

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Speaker 3: Gail Downe about it when she's with us in ten

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Speaker 3: minutes Main Freight. This is one of the announcements we

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Speaker 3: were expecting today in terms of market announcements. We're going

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Speaker 3: to watch this one and it has reported an eight

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Speaker 3: percent drop a net profit. Now, while it's down, it's

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Speaker 3: actually better than we were expecting, because it's marginally better

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Speaker 3: than the guidance it was giving to investors only what

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Speaker 3: like a month ago thereabouts. Looks like the problem is

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Speaker 3: largely that the US market has taken a hit twenty

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Speaker 3: three away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Heather duper Cil forty two members.

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Speaker 3: Of the King's Council, which is the country's most senior

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Speaker 3: legal minds, are calling on the government to abandon the

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Speaker 3: Treaty Principals Bill now. They've written a letter to the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister and the Attorney General Dudith Collins, saying they've

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Speaker 3: got grave concerns about this piece of legislation. Karen Faint

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Speaker 3: is one of the signatories and with us.

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Speaker 25: Now, hey, Karen Kilder, even, Karen, is it fair.

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Speaker 3: To say that your primary concern here is that what

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Speaker 3: would happen if the spill was to become law, was

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Speaker 3: that it would rewrite settled law around what the treaty

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Speaker 3: principles actually are.

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Speaker 25: Yes, that's absolutely right and fake. They would not only

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Speaker 25: rewrite the treaty print sibles, that would rewrite the treaty itself.

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Speaker 25: And that's unilaterally rewriting a treaty without the agreement of

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Speaker 25: the treaty partner, which is Mari.

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Speaker 3: How would it rewrite the treaty.

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Speaker 25: So what they're doing is trying to arrange the Maori

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Speaker 25: rights of tina rang a tra tungue under Article two

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Speaker 25: of the treaty. That's the effect of the treaty principle still,

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Speaker 25: and that means that the right of self determination that

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Speaker 25: may have in relation to their communities, their properties and

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Speaker 25: their tongu is no longer recognized.

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Speaker 3: But is it not recognized in the treaty settlements in

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Speaker 3: that if you if you retain a piece of land,

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Speaker 3: if you've given this piece of land back you retain

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Speaker 3: over it, you do.

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Speaker 25: But that's the presettlements are very limitive in terms of

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Speaker 25: the political authority and self determined rights that they grant

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Speaker 25: to Ewi. So the I think Maori would say that

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Speaker 25: Tenurunga tara tunger is about much more than that it's

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Speaker 25: about having the right to be Maori and to govern

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Speaker 25: for your own communities, according to Tea Kunger, and that's

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Speaker 25: something that they've had promised to them donating or had

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Speaker 25: guaranteed to them in eighteen forty and that David Seymour

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Speaker 25: is trying to erase.

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Speaker 3: And so under the existing treaty principles, how do we

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Speaker 3: recognize that right beyond property?

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Speaker 25: So under existing treaty principles they're recognized through over forty

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Speaker 25: pieces of legislation, and there's also recognition in the decisions

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Speaker 25: of the Courts of New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of looking for an example of how we

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Speaker 3: actually use it practically well.

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Speaker 25: For instance, in relation to the Resource Manment Act, it's

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Speaker 25: recognized in the Act that the relationship of Maori with

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Speaker 25: their lands, waters and the resources as a matter of

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Speaker 25: national importance.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, the thing about it is, Karen, doesn't Parliament

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Speaker 3: always pass laws that rewrites settled law because that's their job.

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Speaker 3: They literally pass law.

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Speaker 26: It is their job.

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Speaker 25: But the difference here is that we're talking about constitutional arrangements.

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Speaker 25: So the Supreme Court has said that the Treaty is

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Speaker 25: part of it has constitutional significance and that's recognized in

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Speaker 25: the Cabinet Manual as well, that guides the way executive

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Speaker 25: government makes decisions. And what we're saying as you can't

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Speaker 25: just rewrite the Constitution of New Zealand without having a

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Speaker 25: proper dialogue about it.

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Speaker 3: But it's not actually the constitution of New Zealand.

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Speaker 7: Is it.

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Speaker 25: As part of the unwritten constitution? Absolutely, that's what we're saying.

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Speaker 25: The treaty is recognized not only in our law, but

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Speaker 25: it's also part of the constitutional arrangements.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So if we accept that, So what do you

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Speaker 3: need to be able as a group of people in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four in the country. What the threshold and

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Speaker 3: what threshold can we adjust our constitutional documents?

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Speaker 25: Well, if you're talking about changing the treaty, then we

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Speaker 25: would say it's fundamental that you have to engage with

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Speaker 25: Muori because they're the parties to the treaty along with

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Speaker 25: the Crown.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So just to be fair, right, we're not changing

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Speaker 3: the treaty, we're changing the interpretation of the treaty. And

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Speaker 3: even even at that point, because you believe the treaty

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Speaker 3: is a constitutional document, you need to in order to

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Speaker 3: do that engage with the other signatory.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: When the courts made their decisions that have led us

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Speaker 3: down this path that take us to where we stand

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Speaker 3: with the treaty principles, did they engage at every turn

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Speaker 3: with the other signatory. But what I'm trying to get

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Speaker 3: to is why can the courts interpret the Treaty on

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Speaker 3: our behalf but Parliament can't.

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Speaker 25: The courts interpret the Treaty on our behalf because Parliament

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Speaker 25: has incorporated the Treaty into a range of different statutes.

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Speaker 3: And so once again the power lies pariflation.

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Speaker 25: The power lives of Parliament to pass legislation.

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Speaker 10: But in relation to.

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Speaker 25: Matters of constitutional significance, where saying you can't just.

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Speaker 21: Mendos what you're.

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Speaker 3: Also saying any elaments what you're saying to me, courts can.

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Speaker 3: Courts can amend it because Parliament gave courts the right

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Speaker 3: to by putting it into statute. But Parliament can't do

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Speaker 3: it itself.

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Speaker 25: No, I'm not saying that at all.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's what that sounds.

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Speaker 25: No, the courts have a role of interpreting the legislation

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01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 25: that Parliament has passed. But where what I'm saying is, well,

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Speaker 25: what we're saying as a group is when you have

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Speaker 25: a discussion about the constitutional arrangements of our country, and

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Speaker 25: we have an unwritten constitution, so it's not as clear

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Speaker 25: as it might be with the American Constitution where it's

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Speaker 25: written in text. We're saying that that needs to be

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Speaker 25: a proper, respectful dialogue, not only with Maori, but with

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Speaker 25: all New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that what we're doing, Like, isn't that what to

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Speaker 3: six month select committee processes? It's a respectful dialogue with everybody.

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Speaker 25: No, because because David seymose gone straight to the bill

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Speaker 25: and draft of the bill without engaging with the experts.

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Speaker 3: But that's how it that's how parliament works. You generally

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Speaker 3: turn up with a piece of legislation, you have a

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Speaker 3: discussion at the select committee stage, you amend it to

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Speaker 3: reflect what everybody says, and then you pass it if

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Speaker 3: you can.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:30,560
Speaker 25: Absolutely, And I'm not I'm not saying that that's not

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Speaker 25: the way that works. That's how legislation has passed. But

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Speaker 25: we're saying when you have constitutional issues and needs a

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Speaker 25: much broader conversation, Okay, nationally.

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Speaker 3: Right, Karen, thank you. I really appreciate you just fleshing

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Speaker 3: out those issues for us. Appreciated. That's Karen faint Casey

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Speaker 3: Quarter two.

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Speaker 2: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour

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Speaker 2: with Heather.

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Speaker 1: Duper C and my HR, the HR solution for Bill

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Speaker 1: on News Talks it be.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you enjoyed that interview on the Treaty Principal's Bill.

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Speaker 3: I can tell by the Tics thirteen away from seven

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Speaker 3: and Gale Downey is our UK correspondent. Correspondent A Gail,

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Speaker 3: Hi there?

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Speaker 5: Did you?

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Speaker 3: I mean yesterday justin Welby was holding firm and then

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Speaker 3: whoop is gone? Did you see that coming?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 29: I didn't see it coming, except the fact that the

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Speaker 29: archbishop in Newcastle was on television and giving interviews saying

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Speaker 29: he should resign and log behold he now has resigned,

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Speaker 29: so that that's finally come about.

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Speaker 3: But he needed to, Gail, didn't he. I mean, if

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Speaker 3: you're found to absolutely have not told the police as

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Speaker 3: soon as you possibly can that there's somebody out there

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Speaker 3: who's doing bad things to kids, and you're in his position,

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Speaker 3: it's completely untenable, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 29: The Independent Review, which has now been published hence how

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Speaker 29: this has all come about, did say that if the

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Speaker 29: archbishop Justin will Be and the other church officers had

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Speaker 29: reported all of this to the police in the UK

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Speaker 29: and in South Africa, where john Smith was also working

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Speaker 29: at the time. He could have been brought to justice

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Speaker 29: at a much earlier point. Instead, he carried on abusing

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Speaker 29: boys while in South Africa until his death in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 29: His abuse was first reported back in the UK in

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Speaker 29: the nineteen eighties, and the review says that those given

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Speaker 29: the reports participated in an active cover up, so it's

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Speaker 29: taken a while for this to come out. There was

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Speaker 29: a television documentary investigation into him in twenty seventeen and

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Speaker 29: at the time the Archbishop of Canterbury did apologize, but

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Speaker 29: he didn't resign. But now there's been pressure on him,

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Speaker 29: not just from the Newcastle bishop but from others in

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Speaker 29: the church as well, and he's now stood down.

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Speaker 3: Gone right. Why is it that Netwist banking group has

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Speaker 3: blocked the WhatsApp and the Facebook messenger and the Skype

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Speaker 3: and all that stuff from the company devices.

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Speaker 29: Well, it's an interesting one, isn't it, Because they're not

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Speaker 29: the first to do it. Some government departments have actually

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Speaker 29: stopped people using these as private ways to contact their

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Speaker 29: colleagues and talk about business matters. The reason being, of course,

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Speaker 29: because the problem is these messages via Facebook, Messenger, WhatsApps,

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Speaker 29: Gype can be difficult to retrieve and they can actually disappear.

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Speaker 29: And of course if you're discussing business matters, financial matters,

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Speaker 29: that's not kind of open and transparent. If you remember

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Speaker 29: in the UK COVID inquiry that revealed that WhatsApp messages

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Speaker 29: have been deleted by government officials and ministers during the pandemic,

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Speaker 29: including the then Prime Minister Boris Johnson. So NatWest really

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Speaker 29: is going along what a lot of other organizations are

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Speaker 29: doing and saying, you know, only use approved channels for

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Speaker 29: communicating about business matters, whether internally or externally.

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Speaker 3: Gail, it's good to talk to you mate. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much, Gail Downey, our UK correspondent. All the King's

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Speaker 3: Counsels are worried about is that they will have lease work,

1991
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Speaker 3: maybe because it does make things somewhat are more clear

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Speaker 3: if you only have three principles as as opposed to

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Speaker 3: the myriad that we have at the moment. Look, I

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Speaker 3: think where where where Karen the CAC had a really

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Speaker 3: good argument is that the principles as written in the

1996
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Speaker 3: Treaty Principles Bill do not reflect the tenor unger Tetatanngua

1997
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Speaker 3: that's in the Article two of the treaty. That's a

1998
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Speaker 3: fair point, right, but that's it. And where her argument

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Speaker 3: falls short is that all of the treaty principles that

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Speaker 3: we have currently are made up. They are made up.

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Speaker 3: They're not in the treaty. They're make it upy. We

2002
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Speaker 3: made them up ourselves. Who made them up? The courts

2003
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 3: made them up. So why And this is where where

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Speaker 3: she came unstuck, because apparently it's okay for the courts

2005
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Speaker 3: to make up some treaty principles, but when the government

2006
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Speaker 3: is like, no, that's too complicated, get rid of them.

2007
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Speaker 3: We don't like them. We're going to make up our

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Speaker 3: own ones. Now. Now that's a problem. So it's okay

2009
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Speaker 3: for this group to make up the treaty principles, not

2010
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 3: that group to make up the treaty principles. And frankly,

2011
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 3: if I had a choose, and this is where I think, Actually,

2012
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Speaker 3: what they're up to the cases is they're defending their

2013
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Speaker 3: patch right because the people of the courts that they

2014
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Speaker 3: are defending what their peeps are doing, what their tribe

2015
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Speaker 3: is doing. If I had to choose between who gets

2016
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Speaker 3: to rule my life the courts or Parliament. I mean,

2017
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Speaker 3: obviously we need a combination of the two of them,

2018
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Speaker 3: but ultimately parliament. That's how democracy works. Haight Away from seven.

2019
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Speaker 1: Getting ready for a new administration in the US. What

2020
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Speaker 1: will be the impact?

2021
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Speaker 2: It's the Business Hour with hither duplicy Allen and my

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Speaker 2: HR the HR solution for busy SMEs news talks'd.

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Speaker 3: Be okay, So listen, I told you I was going

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Speaker 3: to talk about this. This is controversial sex Away from seven.

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Speaker 3: I know you haven't had enough controversy in the show

2026
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Speaker 3: today already, what with the case and my hot takes

2027
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Speaker 3: on maternity leave. Prince William has just been declared the

2028
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Speaker 3: world's sexiest bald Man's controversial because he is obviously not

2029
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Speaker 3: the world's sexiest book man. Who's just the world's most

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Speaker 3: like hereditary, hereditarily privileged bald man. Number one, Prince William,

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Speaker 3: number two, The Rock, Number three, Shaquille O'Neill, Number four,

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Speaker 3: Kelly Slater that actually he is actually sexy. Number five,

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Speaker 3: Terry Crews number six, Danny DeVito literally comes up to

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Speaker 3: my navel. What number seven Samuel L. Jackson, number eight,

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Speaker 3: Terry Henry number nine, Stanley Tucci should be number one,

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Speaker 3: I mean that man's got class, and number ten Vin Diesel,

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Speaker 3: who actually is sexy.

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Speaker 7: Now this is not just a.

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Speaker 3: Random like oh hm, you know, like it's not one

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Speaker 3: of those ones like where you know, the people from

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Speaker 3: Spy at the Herald get together and just concoct a

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Speaker 3: list of.

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Speaker 30: Like mofuitness, How did Danny DeVito get in there?

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Speaker 3: Quite so, this is how they do it. Ants They

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Speaker 3: considered each balding man's smile, golden ratio, which is like

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Speaker 3: how the face works together, perception in the media, vocal

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Speaker 3: attractiveness height which definitely should have counted Danny DeVito out,

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Speaker 3: and also shine factor of the head. But then they

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Speaker 3: also had a look a look at how many people

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Speaker 3: were searching for shirtless and naked images of this particular celebrity.

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Speaker 3: And it turns out that in the last year, seventeen

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Speaker 3: thousand people, which worldwide is not a lot, have Google

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Speaker 3: searched shirtless and naked images of Prince William.

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Speaker 30: Well, yeah, but Vin Diesel should still win on those criteria.

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Speaker 30: I can't see how he didn't went on literally all

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Speaker 30: those criteria anyways, and its palette.

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Speaker 3: Oh mate, William's Palette's not even that shiny. Carry on.

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Speaker 30: Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, maybe you did

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Speaker 30: well on the internet search metric comfort me by she

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Speaker 30: had to play us out tonight. We've had enough Cold Player.

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Speaker 30: I think this is really big news she Had finally

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Speaker 30: breaking up after so many years. This is my favorite

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Speaker 30: She Had song, which is probably quite controversial because the

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Speaker 30: Pacifier album isn't really looked on that fondly compared to

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Speaker 30: their other rs.

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Speaker 3: Is that when they changed their name, that.

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Speaker 30: Was when they changed them to Pacifier. But I just

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Speaker 30: think the song is such a banger and it does

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Speaker 30: actually capture quite well the feeling that a lot of

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Speaker 30: the Western world had right up after September eleventh, which

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Speaker 30: is what it's about. And yeah, just superbrocks, I reckon.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: This is my hot take on this, because you're not

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Speaker 3: full of them already. If you're going to go to

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Speaker 3: the Shehad concert, you need to go to the one

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Speaker 3: in Auckland and Spark Arena because they will be playing

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Speaker 3: with the D four and the D four were a

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01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 3: good time. Do you remember the D four exit to

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01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 3: the city like it's it was a time, and if

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01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:25,719
Speaker 3: you want to see some rock, go to that one anyway,

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Speaker 3: really good sound as well. Enjoy yourself and if you're

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Speaker 3: going to cold place, stay safe and once again thoughts

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Speaker 3: some prayers to Helen because it's going to be a

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Speaker 3: big time news dog. Z'd b.

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