1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,160 Speaker 1: Prying Bridge. 2 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: Big surprise move today, Peter Berling and Team New Zealand 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: parting ways. This after a very successful ten years for 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 2: the skipper at the Helm. Grant Dalton is the Team 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: New Zealand Chief executive grunt Hey Ryan. 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 3: So what's the reason why is he leaving? 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: Well, we just ran out of time. Basically, we've been 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: talking since Barcelona and need certainty pet out an offer 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: in front of him from us and honestly we never 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: really got to the point of rejects or either way 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: on the offer. I ended up pulling the offer because 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: we just couldn't get going. And it's yeah, it's a 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: sad day, but Teams one hundred and twenty people, we've 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: got an America's cart where a new completely uncharted territory 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: final went up for the fourth time and we've got 16 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: to get going. 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 3: So you actually pulled the offer? Is it? 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: Why? 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: Was he just taking his time or was there a 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: particular issue over something in the contract? 21 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's a fair question. I think 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: there's two elements really too. There's one is time and 23 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: now there is money, and we never really got to 24 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: other than you know, this guy's office overseas that pay 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: out of a lot that was about as far as 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: we got on the money relative to the offer that 27 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: I'd put on the table, which in Team New Zealand's terms, 28 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: was a big number. And time. I mean twenty seven 29 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: the Cups in twenty seven, we're in twenty five now. Now, 30 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: I know that sounds a normal sport quite a long time, 31 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: but we actually start building a boat at the end 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: of the year, a new boat, so it's coming out 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: as fast and as fast as cycle. And so although 34 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: we can accommodate to a point, twenty seven is a 35 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: pretty much unaccommodating year for us. We've got to have 36 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: our people in place all the time, and there's one 37 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: hundred and nineteen other people that are there to win 38 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: the Cup and completely permitted. So look, Pizza, amazing contribution 39 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: and we leave on on great terms. There's nothing in 40 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: it any more than that. And I know that people 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: would try and sensationalize this somehow, but it's just it's 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: not like that, you know, we've been beating me, had 43 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: been chatting this morning. 44 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: In fact, it sounds like you might have called us 45 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: bluff though, you know, so he's he's obviously got an 46 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: expectation about what he wants and you weren't prepared to 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: go there or whatever, so you just pulled pulled the offer. 48 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: I think pulls bluffs not the right way to describe it. 49 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: It's possible that he didn't believe that this could ever happen, 50 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: and you know, and and hindsight may be a wonderful 51 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: thing for him and maybe for us. Well let's see 52 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: in twenty seven. But you know, we had to get going. 53 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: We had from that position of where he was. Really 54 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: the sailing team develops. We've retained, you know, the guys 55 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: that we want from last time, and they're all world classed, 56 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: there's no doubt of that. But the selling teams are 57 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: very much an important part of integrating with the design team. 58 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: They're not isolated in that respect, and that's one of 59 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: the strengths of the team, of course, combining people. And 60 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: as I say, we needed certainty and we couldn't come 61 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: to an agreement on that certainty. So it's not any 62 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: more complicated than that. And where Pete's had an immense 63 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: contribution to the team, I don't think either of us 64 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: we certainly didn't start and needed it to end up 65 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: in the spot. But here we are. 66 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: Is sale GP a problem for you? Is it going 67 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: to be a problem for you in terms of keeping 68 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: sailors retaining them if they're spreading their time elsewhere. 69 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: Well, all our sailors actually are in sale GPA. So 70 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: in that respect, guys have got a race. You know. 71 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: It's like you can't just turn up at the World 72 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: Cup of Rugby. I mean, I played footy, so so 73 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: it's good from that respect. It's a league and they're 74 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: completely complementary, and so much as you know, if you like, 75 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: we're the World Cup and the Champions League if you like. 76 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: So it's only good for the sport. But if this 77 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: becomes a time when they clash, and I think they 78 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: will clash in twenty seven, then it's naive of anybody 79 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: to think that you can do both. So Team New 80 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: Zealand's job is to come, you know, to win the 81 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: fourth for the fourth time, I mean three times. Was 82 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: never been done before, the people had tried, nobody's even 83 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: has come into this uncharted territory of the four and 84 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: rinse and repeating won't work. It's just teams don't work 85 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: that way. They actually go backwards. So we have to 86 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: revitalize reinvigorate and bring a new talent as well. And 87 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: there's some seriously fast kids around, you know, as people 88 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: would attest to. You know, he was that kid with 89 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: his boat on the roof rack that came to twenty 90 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: and thirteen. And as those tids are around again, do. 91 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 2: You hold any grudges against the government for not putting 92 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: chipping money in to keep the America's Cup in Auckland? 93 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: Oh, Christ no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. We're 94 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: completely aligned on the fact that there are priorities crikim. 95 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: Even since that announcement that the world's gone nuts again, 96 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: what a great time to be doing an America's Cup 97 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: at the moment. So no, not at all. We would 98 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: like to It was genuine, you know. Basically the numbers 99 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: have been slightly embellished by envy, like they're quite good 100 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: at doing. It was never seventy five million, and okay, 101 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: five millions a lot of money, I get it, but 102 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't seventy five It was forty And they've added 103 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: in the police, customs, airport staff, you know, stuff that 104 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: just makes the number look better if you're trying to 105 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: reject the number in that movie, But it's a shame, 106 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: because it doesn't make it any easier to have the 107 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: cutback In New Zealand. However, we have only one objective 108 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: and we've only and this has sort of caused the 109 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: problem in the first place. In twenty one, our objectives 110 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: is to win and anything else is completely secondary. So 111 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: we're going offshore again, but we're still going offshore to win. 112 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 2: And just finally, any other of your crew. Are you 113 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: worried about any other of your crew not being with 114 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: you in twenty twenty seven? You know, will Blair be there? 115 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: Will everyone else be there? 116 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: Well, Blair is the obvious question, and everyone asks because 117 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: yet Peet and Blair. 118 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: Bla and Pete and joined at the hip. 119 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, exactly, and they're quite different in one respect. 120 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they're both immensely talent today, but Blair is 121 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: more able to be more mobile because of the role 122 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: he fits within the team, So he's more like a 123 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: super sub, whereas Pete was integral to that whole kind 124 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: of sailing team development and into the design thing. Now 125 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: they all have him put Blair, particularly into foils for example, 126 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: but he's more portable as such, and you know, we're 127 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: in the process that hopefully putting together to deal with 128 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: a deal together with Blair. He certainly wants to stay 129 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: and we wanted to stay, all. 130 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: Right, Grant have to leave it there. Appreciate your time. 131 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: Grant Dalton, the Team New Zealand Chief Executive with us 132 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: talking about the departure of Peter Berling. End of an era, Really, 133 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: isn't it? Seventeen after five News Talks, heb I've got 134 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: a few thoughts on that, and so do you looking 135 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: at the text machine. We'll get to them shortly. Plus 136 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: eighty years of Winston Peters will say happy birthday. 137 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: Neck For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. 138 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: Listen live to News Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, 139 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.