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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Be right, changing gear, we're going to talk with how

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Speaker 2: are you, sir?

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Speaker 3: I'm good, Thank you. You're changing gear. I might do too.

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Speaker 4: You're right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know you're not driving for a little while

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Speaker 2: with your knee, so let's not be changing gear right

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Speaker 2: now unless you're knee bike.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but even that causes a lot of noise. I know,

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Speaker 3: because every time I go down with the thing of

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Speaker 3: my my bike, I go shit, and everybody knows when

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Speaker 3: I'm on the bike. That hohots men.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope the recovery is going. Well. Hey, look,

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Speaker 2: so last week on the show you were talking about

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Speaker 2: trapping in the garden and so on, and mentioned the

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Speaker 2: fact that you had trapped a hedgehog and three three

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Speaker 2: of them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean that stuff works. That's stuff

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Speaker 3: by Selena goal Medage.

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Speaker 4: The Ulio areos yea aureo aureio biscuits, what I mean, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they worked and still work fabulous, and not just on

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Speaker 4: these on these things, but also on on mice and rats.

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Speaker 3: Well, gosh, it was just amazing. So hedgehogs got done.

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Speaker 3: And then why you got a call from John or

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Speaker 3: John and Beth stay.

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Speaker 2: Why do you rate the killing of hedgehogs? Which I

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Speaker 2: thought was a bit unfair and and so I did reply,

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Speaker 2: But you obviously had a chat with them as well.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, well it's more than that. It's I can

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Speaker 3: imagine why John rang up because I rang them up

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Speaker 3: to I thought, blow it, I'm going to do this,

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Speaker 3: and you know, and this is what you get when

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Speaker 3: you talk to New Zealand. There's even people from the

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Speaker 3: UK like they are and they say, what are you

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Speaker 3: doing with our hedgehogs? If you like? And I totally

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Speaker 3: agree with that because as a Dutchman this is the

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Speaker 3: same thing. We have them too, and so why are

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Speaker 3: we doing all this? So I started a chat with

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Speaker 3: him about it. The very first thing, Peter was that

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Speaker 3: when I was doing Kiwi research in the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 3: we realized that hedgehogs are at least competing with Kiwi

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Speaker 3: food for fifteen maybe seventeen percent. So our natives, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: our natives are really really basically getting done by these

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Speaker 3: important things. We've got to be a bit careful with that.

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Speaker 3: This number one, yeah, and that's those things are important.

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Speaker 3: So I've just written last night, a three point thing

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Speaker 3: in terms of the science, how scientists work on this

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Speaker 3: particular thing. And you can give it to anybody that

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Speaker 3: wants to get on your website. And it's really cool

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Speaker 3: if you think about it. So the question now is

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Speaker 3: why why not? Well, first of all, the fact is

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Speaker 3: that they are actually quite a pain in the bum

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Speaker 3: those hedgehogs. They really eat our native insects. They read,

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Speaker 3: they need and eat our native creatures that live in websites.

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Speaker 3: If you're like on the ground or just within reach, man,

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Speaker 3: they do a lot of damage. And this is quite

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Speaker 3: something that people quite often don't understand. Yeah, let's go one, and.

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Speaker 2: I guess too because of their defensive system, they don't

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Speaker 2: have a lot of presences. I mean, what's gonna eat

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Speaker 2: a hedgehog in New Zealand anyway?

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Speaker 3: Oh the well, well the harrys might. Wow, harriers have

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Speaker 3: have a goal yeap, yep. Yeah, bit tricky because they're

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Speaker 3: quite prickly hedgehogs, as you can imagine.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, you know, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: if we're thinking about like antio craft missiles and things

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Speaker 2: like that, that's that's They've got lots of them.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely there you go. So there is all that sort

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Speaker 3: of stuff happening as well. But then I started doing

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Speaker 3: some re urch on that Peete and I sound that

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Speaker 3: in the UK, those hedgehogs are actually in trouble because

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Speaker 3: those hedgehogs are being killed by cars if they over

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Speaker 3: a road. Where the hedgehog acrosses the road, basically they

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Speaker 3: quite often go number one boom and that's it. So

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Speaker 3: then I read it's an absolutely amazing way the UK

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Speaker 3: have worked on a system by wish they can prevent

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Speaker 3: the hedgehogs being killed. And you do that by getting

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Speaker 3: some really important and lovely materials that you can put

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Speaker 3: near on the cars. If you like that, make a

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Speaker 3: eighty I think it was an eighty material and eighty

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Speaker 3: gram yell that stops the hedgehogs from crossing the road.

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Speaker 3: They get warned, they turn around and they don't get

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Speaker 3: get caught or in this case killed by all these

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Speaker 3: witches in the UK. So we learn these things at

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Speaker 3: the same time as thinking what are we going to

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Speaker 3: at the same time. I like that because if you

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Speaker 3: have an eighty six killo hertz noise that's when they go.

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Speaker 3: But if it's only twenty kilowet noise, yes, then basically

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Speaker 3: they get done. Yeah. See, so you put these things

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Speaker 3: the drivers. In the UK, it's all these things that

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Speaker 3: you suddenly come across and I think that's really really neat,

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Speaker 3: really nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think too, it's one of those things

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Speaker 2: that's about context, doesn't it that In the end hedgehogs

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Speaker 2: which are native to the Netherlands and to the UK,

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Speaker 2: that's where you would fight for their protection and introduce species.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who ever loved possums, but we don't

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Speaker 2: love them here. Maybe where they came Where did possums

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Speaker 2: come from?

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Speaker 4: Actually the possum came from, Yes, from Australia, from Australia

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Speaker 4: and Australian.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And the cool thing is

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Speaker 3: what I did with possums with kids in schools was

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Speaker 3: good because they the kids that it is actually only

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Speaker 3: made a last five to ten years in the air.

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Environment Trust. We would get the kids to

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Speaker 3: catch those possums, use the fur and use that as

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Speaker 3: a material you put inside the walls off your buildings.

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Speaker 3: That you are building like your your rooms. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 3: are you aware of that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, And you can buy possum socks, eh, that

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Speaker 2: sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: There, you go. Yeah, yeah. But the kids decided that

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Speaker 3: if we put it inside our houses on the West coast,

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Speaker 3: we got we are. We are no longer hassled with

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Speaker 3: very very cold, cold rooms. And it was just another one.

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Speaker 3: So all these things are getting together. I love that.

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Speaker 3: It's so nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now with all the research that you've done for it,

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Speaker 2: because I've had quick reading through it as well. So

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Speaker 2: what I'll do is I'll send it to my mate

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Speaker 2: who will put it up on my website. So resident

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Speaker 2: builder dot co dot nz will add it as a blog.

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Speaker 2: Might take a couple of days or so, but it

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Speaker 2: will be there as a blog for people to read

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Speaker 2: because there is some really fascinating stuff there and around

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Speaker 2: the whole you know, this is that whole ultrasonic thing,

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Speaker 2: right that if there's a way of making crossing the

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Speaker 2: road and tolerable for them, then that's a great way

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Speaker 2: of protecting them where they should live, as opposed to

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Speaker 2: here where they don't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And the nice thing too is and I think

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Speaker 3: I think they'll be listening to this that The nice

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Speaker 3: thing too is that here two UK people and two

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Speaker 3: or three news what do you call it, Dutch people

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Speaker 3: are actually working together on these things in a totally

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Speaker 3: different way simply by having a look at what is

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Speaker 3: actually happening, you know what, who does what, and how

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Speaker 3: do we are we work this out properly. It's really cool.

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Speaker 2: Because I think in the UK I might have seen

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Speaker 2: something like on Clarkson's farm or something like that, where

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Speaker 2: you know, there's a genuine concern in the countryside that

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Speaker 2: the population had dropped to a level that it might

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Speaker 2: not be sustainable anymore for hedgehogs.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. And you know we've done the

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Speaker 3: same with the here's another example that you like as

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Speaker 3: a gardener too. You should really know the fact that

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Speaker 3: we've got four different species of bumblebees in New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: right four and they all came from England and they

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Speaker 3: were all introduced into New Zealand because we needed some

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Speaker 3: preaches that could actually do the work for bumbles, you know,

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Speaker 3: and native bees to get all these flowers and all

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Speaker 3: the crops done for the for the future, you know,

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Speaker 3: milk and all that sort of stuff. So here you go.

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Speaker 3: We have these four species and they are Three of

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Speaker 3: them do reasonably well, the postailed or the restorers, the

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Speaker 3: ruderal bumblebee, and the bumblebee the who torum. But the

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Speaker 3: one that doesn't work very well is the one called

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Speaker 3: the short haired one, which is actually absolutely be rare

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Speaker 3: at the moment. And I work at that school in

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Speaker 3: Techapole with that particular species because that's one of the

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Speaker 3: few places where the girls do in the world. And

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Speaker 3: basically all these species are being looked after by people

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Speaker 3: that grow tomatoes and all that sort of stuff. No,

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Speaker 3: but the short he had had bumblebee is so rare

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Speaker 3: that we're actually doing something about it to make it

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Speaker 3: come back to life in large numbers. And I do

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Speaker 3: the school kids and we tell them all that once

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Speaker 3: we've got all these things going here in our school

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Speaker 3: ground and we build built returns for places where we

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Speaker 3: can grow the right plants for these particular bubblebies, then

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Speaker 3: we can get them back in numbers. And then when

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Speaker 3: we get them back in numbers, I say to the kids,

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Speaker 3: we send them back to the UK and that the

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Speaker 3: kids go like, now.

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Speaker 2: You know absolutely, So what I'll do is the pace

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Speaker 2: that you've written for me that you sent to me.

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Speaker 2: I'll make sure it goes up on my website and

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Speaker 2: people on neverlocks a resident builder dot co dot nz.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Rude and look after yourself. We'll be back next Sunday.

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