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Speaker 1: Hello, are you great New Zealanders. Matt Heath here. This

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Speaker 1: is my last week on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Sadly, but if you're not sick of me and you

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Speaker 2: want more of my weekly content, you can follow my

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Speaker 2: weekly substack mailout article at Matdheath dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 2: This week I discussed fighting fomo after my friends betrayed

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Speaker 2: me and went to Germany without me. You, Jerry g Laying,

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Speaker 2: Joseph and Meniah, I love.

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Speaker 1: You, but you hurt me anyway.

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Speaker 3: You seem busy, I'll let you go to Matt Heeath

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Speaker 3: dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 4: Bless bless, blessed boys. Apparently Ruder's recording the podcast. If

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Speaker 4: you want to stick here, stick here.

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Speaker 1: We're ready to do. We want to try and run?

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Speaker 1: Do we want to run the oh year. Let's get busy,

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Speaker 1: let's do it all right? Were recording, Ruda? We are recording.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we've got Kiaren reading associations with Walthbritt. Well that's

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Speaker 1: Sure do we k he's getting his name changed?

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Speaker 4: I had that drum roll, Rud of this guy.

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Speaker 1: Game boses.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's It is the third of October. Welcome all you

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Speaker 2: bespokey dokies to the second to last. Well, I guess

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Speaker 2: Spoke podcast will continue without me. What are you gonna

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Speaker 2: still call it that? I think, I asked the sister.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember what the answer was.

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Speaker 1: Yuh, good question. No, I think that we haven't sort

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Speaker 1: of worked out the naming is of things. I think

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Speaker 1: what we are thinking is that maybe we need to

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Speaker 1: work out what the actual radio show is called, but

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Speaker 1: probably called the Hidarky Breakfast.

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Speaker 2: This w has become the Hedary Breakfast podcast. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: suppose it is going to change it take my picture

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Speaker 4: Well, should we ask Karen Readen association with Wolfbrook what

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Speaker 4: he thinks is here? And read and associated? We welcome

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Speaker 4: to the Daily but Spoke on the third of October.

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Speaker 4: Thank you fellas. Nice to be here.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think how to Breakfast runs off the tongue

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Speaker 1: Show. It's just going to turn people off. Like seriously,

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Speaker 1: show with Mash and association. Yeah, am I coming back?

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Speaker 1: And Jerry?

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Speaker 5: So many the questions are out there, you know that

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Speaker 5: what is it? And I'm not technically on the conclave,

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Speaker 5: but I go over it to my head you know,

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Speaker 5: those questions are huge, man, like where's this and going?

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Speaker 5: And obviously you're waiting for the big announcement. When I

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Speaker 5: pay Matt has showing respect to just tramp all over

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Speaker 5: his body as he's kind of getting chucked out the door.

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Speaker 1: Sounds I feel like this is a this is a

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Speaker 2: The whole show today felt like I was been trampled

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Speaker 1: Soaking in the spar Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Actually was good wine, but dehydrated, I know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean in terms of this podcast, I

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Speaker 2: Obviously, people leave workplaces and they take the classwords.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and thence what someone who's listened to the

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Speaker 5: when it started, like there'd be the ideal for a

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Speaker 5: how that could work, but you'd have to go out

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Speaker 2: When I was negotiating with the new talks of the

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Speaker 5: For that to happen, right I think that's for me

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Speaker 5: in my head, that would be the ideal scenario.

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Speaker 1: What about that?

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Speaker 2: For me, it's like we'll meet again, don't know where,

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Speaker 1: What about where we sort of program What about before

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Speaker 1: you leave? This would be great? Tomorrow We're going to

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Speaker 1: do a final Matt and Jury show, and then afterwards,

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Speaker 2: We just can you not just use the two and

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Speaker 1: Gave away exactly, just push a button and then you

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, but I did ask it, but if I

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Speaker 4: And they said no, you know, I suppose jokes aside, Karen,

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Speaker 2: But I thought it'd be quite good to just come

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Speaker 1: Imagine that. Imagine if that was your life. You just

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Speaker 1: did that. Enough money, but you can just get people

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Speaker 2: People do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the wolfbrook podcast, Yeah, exactly. Maybe just because

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Speaker 2: We just call the podcast an association.

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Speaker 2: But I mentioned if there was a bill if there's

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Speaker 6: I'm not massively into it when you start pisting me.

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Speaker 5: like Steve Hanson and that to push out ourselves because

442
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,439
Speaker 5: it's not you can't just we couldn't just rely on

443
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,639
Speaker 5: ourselves to turn up and play. Yeah as well, but

444
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 5: you turned up if you've done the prep, Like we're like, no, no.

445
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 1: One's going to touch us.

446
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, if we if we do the prep right

447
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 5: and we're mentally in the right space.

448
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's interesting because watching the team at the moment.

449
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Speaker 1: The other great thing that you guys had that only

450
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,640
Speaker 1: great teams have is that even if there were two

451
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 1: minutes to play and you were down, there was a

452
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 1: confidence inside you never panicked. There was a weird confidence

453
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 1: inside of yourselves that you knew if you just got

454
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 1: things right for the last two minutes, even if the

455
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 1: rest of the game had been a frustrating because oftentimes

456
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 1: teams will trying and frustrate you guys, and they do

457
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 1: annoying things, and I could always tell on a day

458
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 1: I was like, they were going to struggle today because

459
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 1: this team's doing particular things that are gonna slash slowing

460
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 1: the game down. They niggley, they're trying to do off

461
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: the ball stuff that's going to make the team lose focus.

462
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Speaker 1: But you guys, it was interesting that great team of

463
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Speaker 1: in the last two minutes, you always feel like you're

464
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: still there. That's a crazy belief that I don't know

465
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Speaker 1: if any team will ever have that again.

466
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Speaker 2: No, I don't know.

467
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Speaker 5: So Africa might be somewhere close to it at the

468
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 5: moment with their players. I think it's it's experience. It's

469
00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,360
Speaker 5: going through those those type of situations beforehand and then

470
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Speaker 5: just banking that on top of what you've been doing

471
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 5: and your preparation. Really, I think gets you to that

472
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 5: moment where it doesn't matter what situation we're faced, our

473
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 5: leaders are going to keep us in the right frame

474
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 5: of mind because you forget, like half that team went

475
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 5: through some ship man like three World Card Post seven,

476
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Speaker 5: some of the darkest days and all that Rugby right

477
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Speaker 5: to then come through. So you've got to go through

478
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 5: a bit of crap too to learn from it and

479
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Speaker 5: push through.

480
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Speaker 2: So I think makes a great story that, like from

481
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 2: from a fans perspective, if it's if it's always but

482
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 2: you've got it, If it's like you realize now right,

483
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 2: and it's like the Crusader, The Crusaders are set up

484
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 2: for this. It's almost like if because Crusaders could keep

485
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 2: going and going, going, going, going and winning and winning,

486
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 2: but to to have it down will make the thing,

487
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 2: and especially if it takes a couple of seasons to

488
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 2: get back to the top, then that that next win

489
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 2: will be phenomenal because of the story from this is

490
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Speaker 2: from the outside inspective.

491
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Speaker 5: You know, yeah, yeah, it's like anything as that, not Underdog.

492
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Speaker 2: But it's like, yeah, where someone starts out awesome, continues

493
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 2: to be awesome and it's awesome at the end.

494
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Speaker 1: It's not a movie.

495
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: A person that starts out in a really horrible situation

496
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 2: in their life and they head learns a skill and

497
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 2: then tacks ass.

498
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Speaker 1: That's the story. Yeah, I think as well. There's the

499
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Speaker 1: story as well that a lot of New Zealanders tell

500
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: themselves that the All Blacks are always the best team

501
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: in the world and other teams have lucky days against us.

502
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: That's not really the real story. If you've watched and

503
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: followed rugby all your life, you realize there have been

504
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: times when the All Blacks have definitely.

505
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 2: Not been How good with the Australians in ninety nine,

506
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: two thousand, that.

507
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: Era, that was a great Australian team. I'm watching those

508
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: games the other day. And also the Australian team of

509
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: the early nineties. That nineteen ninety one Australian team was

510
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: an exceptional team that won the World Cup. They had

511
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Speaker 1: some there was a little area there where Australia through

512
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Speaker 1: the nineties were a very very good site, great site,

513
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Speaker 1: and we had a good side, you know. I mean

514
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Speaker 1: we won a series with to South Africa that was

515
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 1: a great so that ninety six side, but still they

516
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: were there. Was those are great battles.

517
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 6: Back in ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand, we played

518
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 6: Australia eleven times and only one three they won eight.

519
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I felt like that. I think my generation

520
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 5: came through. Remembers that that was the version you needed

521
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 5: when you play against them, because you remembered those all

522
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 5: those lost watching on TV as a kid was losses right,

523
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 5: Gregan knocking out, Jeffilson's the ball, Johnny was kicking the

524
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 5: goal to Ti. Kiff is going by the posts. John's

525
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 5: kicking the goal was a good one.

526
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Speaker 1: I like stepping up and kicking. We used to get

527
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Speaker 1: out smarter than those days. We were out smarter and

528
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Speaker 1: we were out composured.

529
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,719
Speaker 2: Us was that it was so sa in two thousand

530
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: at the cake tin that it went four minutes over.

531
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Speaker 1: Riff goes two minutes ago, it's still going.

532
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: It's still going nearly.

533
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: Five minutes later.

534
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Speaker 2: They won.

535
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Speaker 1: The one thing is minutes You like that though.

536
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Speaker 5: Way the riff's got the he's got the whistle and

537
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 5: he dictates its no one else coming in and saying anything.

538
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no one coming in on the heads.

539
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 4: But there was a lot of players had a bit

540
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 4: of something, you know, there was there.

541
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: Was randomness to it in those days. But there was

542
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: a lot of random randomness. You know, even watching the

543
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: game there's is people flying in from all sorts of

544
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: offside positions in those days, you just didn't know. You

545
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: just got people to the ball.

546
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: Quite like I quite like the idea that if I

547
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: try the vibe of a try, now we go back

548
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: and we take the moment away from the try score

549
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 2: and away from the audience because it's just a it's

550
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: just a suggestion that it's a try, and then we

551
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 2: go into the full investigation back then whether the riff

552
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: got it wrong or not. You're kind of like, well

553
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: past the sniff test. That's kind of part of the game.

554
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: You know, it looked like it had because generally a

555
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: try is a try. There's a vibe that it's in

556
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: those days, they're slightly knocked on or something.

557
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, there didn't used to be as much camping on

558
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: on the line and pushing, pushing, pushing towards the goal.

559
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: That's a new thing. And then players to try and

560
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: land around the ball to try and block block the

561
00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: held ups.

562
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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it's and as I get on that line,

563
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 5: I'd just be like pick them up, bringing them over

564
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 5: the line and hold them up. Yeah, totally, I think

565
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 5: that's that's whey you should do it. So you pull

566
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 5: them back over the line, just trying to stop them

567
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 5: before the line I'd be like, just bring them with you.

568
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: You get numbers and lift people up. Yeah, yeah, totally.

569
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Speaker 1: Should we take a break and come back, Yeah, prety much.

570
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: Jeremy's enjoying this podcast. Now, welcome, Welcome back to.

571
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Speaker 5: Code Code. Come in here. Trying to talk about something

572
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 5: else straight. That's what we did to Karen last night.

573
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 5: He sat down and you want to be and the parish. Sorry, Karen,

574
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 5: I don't generally punish them, but we just got to hit.

575
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: You can't get away. You've got nowhere to go.

576
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 4: We do have to get your flight serious. Yeah, so

577
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: we should we should wrap this up, Karen from wolf

578
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 4: brook We're an association with wolf Broke.

579
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 2: We're just going to break and then go.

580
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, we have to we can I can I ask

581
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 6: Kieren one more question because I'm just I'm just yeah,

582
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 6: I've just got this sport.

583
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: You may as well. This is coming in from the.

584
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I should just shave my head. I've got this

585
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 6: image of you when you're one of the senior players

586
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 6: and you're sitting around with people like McCaw and people

587
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 6: like Carter. Is there anyone that strikes you as like

588
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 6: a young back that came into the team and you

589
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 6: guys just sat around going, this guy is going to

590
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 6: be an absolutely phenomenon, Like someone like Boden Barrett came

591
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 6: in about what twenty twelve after you just won the

592
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 6: World Cup. Was it someone like him or was there

593
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 6: someone else that really struck you as this guy's special?

594
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 5: Ah, this I think probably a couple of guys so Brodie,

595
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, same year twenty Titler. There's a great vintage

596
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 5: those boys like him. He was someone who you know,

597
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 5: was just amazing, big body, he could just smash ruck.

598
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 5: So he was someone who kind of elevated himself.

599
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: I looked through.

600
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 5: I think when Damien Mackenzie came into the side at

601
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 5: twenty seventeen, I believe and he just was a live wire.

602
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 5: I thought this guy was you know, I still think

603
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 5: he can be amazing all black so he and he's

604
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 5: got so much growth, but he was young then he

605
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 5: was someone who's just electric. I love seeing those guys

606
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 5: who come into the team. Right now, if I'm watching

607
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 5: it whilst t T looks like that guy and everyone's

608
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 5: talking about him, right but there's yeah, it's just how

609
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 5: you manage that. But he looks he's got a good

610
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 5: hit on the shoulders.

611
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: He'll be good. Yeah, man, he's been this, he's been

612
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: the standout. Like he's he's always in the right place.

613
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: He's got an instinct for being just in the right

614
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: place and running a particular line, and then he just

615
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: powers into the gap and he's he's His passing is

616
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: exceptional good. Actually, on that last game, I noticed that

617
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: all Black's passing was way better than it had been

618
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: in the other games. A lot of the passing was

619
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: just going straight to the hands, straight to the chairs.

620
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: Anon Brown passed thirty five under pressure, beautiful pass until

621
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: what was your h I think, right. So the great

622
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: players that you see and they come in, they see

623
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: the game, they read the game and so yes, they've

624
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 1: got these skills and and they work bloody hard, but

625
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: they see what's in front of them, and they and

626
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: they know what the opposition is doing, and they dictate

627
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: off them right, and they can communicate it outstandingly.

628
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Speaker 5: And that's that's the great players. Will Jordan, well, Jordan's.

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Speaker 1: See that right.

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Speaker 4: No, I just thought that name was going to be

631
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: seen by you.

632
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 5: When when that question was asked by Ruder, Will Jordan's

633
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 5: body barrett right right to me whilst Titty has that

634
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 5: just by seeing him on TV. And this is you know,

635
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Speaker 5: probably a couple others.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good question, Ruder, good questions, all right from Mary Deeker.

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00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: There North Cope. More heart is what we need.

638
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: More heart people social media turning up to focused on

639
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: the social media feed and they don't want to add

640
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: enough and they're they're not bloody dedicated. And the celebrations

641
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: after the tries, that's.

642
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: The but you don't want it enough. You should be

643
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: telling me there's too many brown people, right the full decon.

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Speaker 4: Els Hey, Karen, thanks mate, all right.

645
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Speaker 1: Thanks.

646
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Speaker 2: Buddy, all right, love everyone, goodbye. You seem busy to

647
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: let you go, all right then, okay.

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