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Speaker 1: Health New Zealand has decided to impose new rules on

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Speaker 1: hospital cafeterias. It includes cutting the fat off the meat,

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Speaker 1: taking the skin off the chicken, taking the marshmallows out

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Speaker 1: of the hot chocolate, and then hiding some food from view,

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Speaker 1: like pies that have krusty tops. Doctor Nick Chamberlain is

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Speaker 1: the National Director of the National Public Health Service and

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Speaker 1: it is with us now, Hey, Nick, Hi, Hi Heather,

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Speaker 1: are you proud of these rules?

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Speaker 2: Nick? Hither? The policy is actually more supportive and enabling

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Speaker 2: than the previous twenty sixteen nineteen policies. It gives a

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Speaker 2: broader range of choices, and you've identified one area where

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Speaker 2: there's been a change around the hot drinks and some more.

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Speaker 1: I was in the hospital a few months ago, I

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Speaker 1: got some wantons, but now i'm reading your policy, I'm

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Speaker 1: not allowed the wantons anymore. If I'm there.

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Speaker 2: That's correct. One tons are and the red category. But overall,

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Speaker 2: there's significantly more choice and opportunities. And we're also working

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Speaker 2: really closely with supplies so that that makes it much

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Speaker 2: easier for them. And I think if you look at

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Speaker 2: the green and orange areas, there's really significant options, including

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Speaker 2: pies and yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Only if the pies have a potato top and are

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Speaker 1: smaller than two hundred and ten grams. You realize how

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Speaker 1: ridiculous this is between adults.

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Speaker 2: Say well, no, that's a normal sized pie, which is

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Speaker 2: a potato top pie, and.

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Speaker 1: They've got them allowed a normal sized pie. Now are

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Speaker 1: these people private who run the cafeterias or are they

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Speaker 1: your hospital? Like does Health New Zealand run the cafeterias?

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Speaker 2: It varies, but mainly they are contracted provider.

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Speaker 1: So you're telling a private company. Are you telling you

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Speaker 1: telling a private company that they can put the potato

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Speaker 1: top pies on display, but they've got to hide the

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Speaker 1: ones with the krusty tops out the back.

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Speaker 2: We're not telling our providers too much. We're actually giving

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Speaker 2: them the options. And actually the various providers and supplies

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Speaker 2: have been very involved with this. But I.

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Speaker 1: Thought only the green food is allowed on display and

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Speaker 1: everything else has to be hidden from view.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. Some of the orange foods are

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Speaker 2: definitely there. We can't hide.

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Speaker 1: Well, we can display some of the orange foods.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Yes, and also either I want to assure you

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Speaker 2: we're willing to review various aspects of the policy when

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Speaker 2: we get it wrong, and so you know the issue

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Speaker 2: around their issue around the hot drinks is that you know,

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Speaker 2: a hot chocolate, of course, is about three to six

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Speaker 2: teaspoons of sugar, and so by us then adding further

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Speaker 2: with a marshmallow, it's about another teaspoon. You know that

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Speaker 2: that was an attempt to try and just recommend to

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Speaker 2: people that they stick to healthy.

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Speaker 1: It's not recommending. That's actually restricted me something, Nick, Why

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Speaker 1: do you think as an adult I can walk down

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Speaker 1: Ponsonby Road by myself a hot chocolate and my child

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Speaker 1: if I want to, and put marshmallows in, But if

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Speaker 1: I come to your hospital, I'm not allowed. Why is

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Speaker 1: that okay? Why do you why.

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Speaker 2: Do you you can do this? I guess if you

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Speaker 2: take the converse of that, if we didn't have some

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Speaker 2: sort of healthy food guidelines within hospitals, we'd be hugely criticized.

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Speaker 2: If we just allowed everything to be available as it

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Speaker 2: is everywhere else, then people would think, well, that's actually

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Speaker 2: not sending the right message. So what we are trying

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Speaker 2: to do is provide some guidance and still give a

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Speaker 2: huge amount of choice and really very significant.

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Speaker 1: Choice McDonald's in your hospitals.

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Speaker 2: I am not sure how many McDonald's there are, but

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Speaker 2: I think there probably is one or two McDonald's are

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Speaker 2: still available in most hospitals have have have declined.

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Speaker 1: That and I'm just going to say, Nick, I rest

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Speaker 1: my case. I appreciate you coming on this is ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: though good luck with it. Doctor mcchamberlain, National Director of

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Speaker 1: the National Public Health Service. I'd love to know. This

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Speaker 1: exercises me probably more than a show like I'm really

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Speaker 1: upset about I'm not not really upset about it. I

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Speaker 1: think it's stupid and I think I am spending too

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Speaker 1: much energy on how stupid this is.

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Speaker 2: Is it just me?

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Speaker 1: Or are you with me on this? Do I need

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Speaker 1: to calm down? For more from Heather Duplessy Alan Drive,

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