1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Been revealed, as we said at the start of the program, 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: that the Julie Christi documentary on Tom Phillips and his 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: kids will screen on Netflix. Documentary is also being made 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: with the help of New Zealand Police. The Herald's editor 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: at large and media insider writer Shane Curry is with 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: us now ho Shane. 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: Good Evening, Heathers. 8 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Is this wise from the cops. 9 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: Is the way the case has turned out? And obviously, 10 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: with the fatal shootout last September, it suddenly threw everything 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: in the spotlight, including this access that the Netflix crew 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: and Julie Christie had had in the previous months, and 13 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: because of that, there was a lot of irritation if 14 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: you remember at the scene back in September, when suddenly 15 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: this camera crew was getting in behind the Cordons, getting 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: exclusive access to both the scene of the quad bike 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 2: and further into the bush, while whereas New Zealand media 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: were kept at the Cordons and went allout in And 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: so there's a whole lot of factors that are playing 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: to that question. But I think ultimately the answer is no, 21 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: it's not wise. 22 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: Okay, but that sounds a professional jealousy from the media. 23 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Is that fair, no, I think, because you know, this 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: is obviously a live, breaking news environment. You've got the police, 25 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 2: who are taxpayer funded, a lot of questions around their 26 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: own actions in the previous thirteen hundred and fifty eight 27 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: days that Tom Phillips had been on the run. But 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: basically what you've got here is essentially not a documentary 29 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: because the police have these extreme rights to be able 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: to say what can and can't scream within the show. 31 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: It's actually sounding more like, you know, putting aside july 32 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 2: Christie's amazing abilities as a filmmaker, will look the sound great, 33 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: but it's actually it could end up being a police 34 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: pr well. 35 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: So we have managed to I mean, I don't think 36 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: I'm breaching any confidences to say we've spoken to Julie 37 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: Christi today and what she's told us is the only 38 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: control that the police have, Shane is over the use 39 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: of their own footage. Everything outside of that is at 40 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: the discretion of the documentary maker, which then also bring 41 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: you to the next question, which is are they going 42 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: to run any of the suppressed stuff because they shouldn't 43 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: run it globally, but it's very hard to enforce it globally, 44 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: so will they run it. 45 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: Do you think, well, they won't be able to do 46 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: that without I guess GEO blocking that. In New Zealand. 47 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: I don't think the police themselves would allow that. But 48 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: I'll read out a line from the contract. Okay, we 49 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: got hold of the contract last month that the contract 50 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: states that quote, in the event of a dispute as 51 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: to the factual accuracy of the content of the documentary, 52 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: the decision of the police shall be binding on the producer. 53 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 2: So you know that is an all encompassing clause by 54 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: the sound of it. Now, Julie might well argue the point. 55 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: You know, if anyone can in this country, it will 56 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: be her. But there are these clauses within there that 57 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: do allow the police a to have viewing and veting 58 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: rights and be, by the sound of it, to have 59 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: the ultimate call on whether it even screens certain content. 60 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So this might answer the question that I asked 61 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: at the very sound of the program. Why are the 62 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: police doing it? Are they doing it for a pr exercise? 63 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: Well, they do a lot of these behind the scenes 64 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 2: shows and normally it is a local television crew or 65 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: a local television platform that benefits from that. So we've 66 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: seen that a lot, but of course, and there'll be 67 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: different clauses with each of those projects as to what 68 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: the police can and can't influence on what eventually screens. 69 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: But yes, I think this is an opportunity for the police. Obviously, 70 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: you know, they would have done a lot of work 71 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: in behind the scenes things that we don't even know 72 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: about over those four years in terms of trying to 73 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: track the family down, which will come to the fore 74 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: in that documentary. But ultimately, you know, from a journalistic 75 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: point of view, there will still be hard questions to 76 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: be asked around just what unfolded in those four years, 77 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: particularly in the police approach, and I don't think this 78 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: Netflix documentary is necessarily going to answer those questions. 79 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: What I worry about, Shane, is that this goes out there, 80 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: it gets play to a global audience. There may be 81 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: some interest in that people start googling and it dredges 82 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: up the suppressed stuff again. Is that possible? 83 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the Police Commissioner has been and he wasn't 84 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: the commissioner when this decision was made for the documentary 85 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: to go ahead. That came under the previous administration and 86 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: the pr team there, but he's been adamant that privacy 87 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: issues will be covered off, just as it is with 88 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: any of these other shows that they have done with 89 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: the local platform. So I think we can probably trust 90 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: them on that. I think they've said from the get 91 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: go that the children's interests will be the priority, that 92 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: those privacy interests will be protected. So that again then 93 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: leads to the question, will you know just exactly what 94 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: will the documentary have. I guess you know with Julie 95 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: Christie's been working with that team for many months, so 96 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 2: there will be things there that haven't come to the 97 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: public forefront as of this point in terms of what 98 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: was happening in the lead up to Tom Phillips's ultimately 99 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: that fatal shootout. 100 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: Shane. Always good to talk to you, mate, Thank you 101 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: so much for your time. Shane Curry, the Herald's editor 102 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: at large, also writes Media inside It. 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