1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: No more cheap hits for your vaping friends. Ah, the 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: rules change from tomorrow, the disposable vaping products will be banned. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Dr Jude Hall is a senior Research fellow for the 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: Aspire ALCA or Tobacco Control Research Group. Hi, Jude, Hi, 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: this is not really a sector that's known for following 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: the rules. So are they going to follow the rules 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: from tomorrow? Do you think? 8 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question. And what we've seen overseas 9 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: is that non compliance has been a problem. So the 10 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: effectiveness of this rule, these rules are really going to 11 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: depend on whether they're strictly enforced or not. Yeah. 12 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: And how many enforcement agents have we got? 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: Oh, there's no question, I can answer off the top 14 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: of my head. 15 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Not a lot. 16 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: Though the number has gone up, but it's still not 17 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: a lot. You're right. 18 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: What do they do? Do they go around actually visiting 19 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: the vape shops? 20 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: Ah? Yes they do. 21 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: Okay, So do you expect it will be enforced? 22 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: I certainly hope. So. I mean, these measures are designed 23 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: to protect children and young people from a predatory industry, 24 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: so without that enforcement they're really meaningless. 25 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: Is it also the case that from tomorrow there's basically 26 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: no advertising allowed. 27 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So there have been some loopholes, but 28 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: from tomorrow the visibility of vapes and the way they're 29 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: marketed will be very much more like tobacco. But in 30 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: the dairies service stations that have to be out of sight, 31 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: and vape retailers can no longer email their customers with 32 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: discounts and clubs and you promoting new flavors and products 33 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: and so on. 34 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: What about if they what about if you go onto 35 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: a vaping website? Can you actually buy something online? Can 36 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: you actually see what the product is that you're trying 37 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: to buy, because if it's not supposed to, if it's 38 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: not supposed to be displayed, it kind of it feels 39 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: like that may become a problem. 40 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: Well, the law does include websites, so from tomorrow websites 41 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: won't be able to display images of vaping products. 42 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: How are people going to know what they're buying? I mean, 43 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: not that I can. 44 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: It's a great question. So I mean it's going to 45 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: be less viable probably for people to buy online. They'll 46 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: be able to see the product name and the price 47 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: if it's something they're used to buying, fine, but otherwise 48 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: could be problematic. 49 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: Jude where are we at now. I mean, the science 50 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: around this is kind of, you know, evolving as we go, 51 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: but we are we still sure that vapes are better 52 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: than fags. 53 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: Someone made the analogy to me. It's like, would you rather, 54 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: as a pedestrian, be hit by a motorcycle or hit 55 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: by a truck. You know, they're both bad, one's worse 56 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: than the other, but the healthiest thing is to be 57 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: vape free and slunk free. 58 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: Jude, thank you very much, appreciate it. Jude Ball, Senior 59 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: research fellow Aspire Altsia or Tobacco Control Research Group. For 60 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to news 61 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the 62 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio