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Speaker 1: Than Barry Soper, senior political correspondents with me right now, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Barry Helloa, right, you want to talk about Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was going to talk about Chris Hipkins at

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Speaker 2: the start. Well we can talk about Donald No. I

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Speaker 2: find Donald Trump much more immuse he of course, as

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Speaker 2: we all know now, he met with Benjamin Netanya, who

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Speaker 2: this morning at the White House. There was no yellow

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Speaker 2: cheer treatment in the Oval Office for Netnahu, because you know,

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Speaker 2: he's above and beyond reproach if you listen to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: A press conference was held instead, which went beyond being

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Speaker 2: just a bromance. In my view, it was a love fest,

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Speaker 2: with Trump looking as though he had taken an aphrodisiac,

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Speaker 2: a bit like the history making emperor that he clearly

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Speaker 2: sees himself to be. With the help of the Israeli leader,

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Speaker 2: of course, here they are.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is a big, big day, a beautiful day,

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Speaker 3: potentially one of the great days ever in civilization, things

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Speaker 3: that have been going on for hundreds of years and

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Speaker 3: thousands of years. We're gonna at least we're at a

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Speaker 3: minimum very very close, and I think we're beyond very close.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not just talking about Gaza guys is one thing,

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Speaker 3: but we're talking about much beyond Gaza. The whole deal,

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Speaker 3: everything getting solved. It's called peace in the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: Europe has been very much involved and as I was

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Speaker 3: called by many of the European leaders, most of them saying,

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Speaker 3: is this true?

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Speaker 2: Are you really doing.

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Speaker 3: Peace in the Middle East? This is the most incredible

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Speaker 3: thing we've heard. Some think it's the biggest thing they've

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Speaker 3: ever heard. They called just to find out was it

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Speaker 3: just a rumor or is it actually done.

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Speaker 4: I want to thank you for your for your friendship

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Speaker 4: and for your leadership. You are the greatest friend that

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Speaker 4: Israel has ever had in the White House. And mister President,

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Speaker 4: you and I both know it's not even close.

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Speaker 1: That baby kissing his boss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump's basically what's happened in this agreement. If MAS

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Speaker 2: don't take it up, it gives the Israeli leader all

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Speaker 2: the power in the world to bomb Garza even more

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Speaker 2: out of existence, because you know Trump is going well,

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Speaker 2: you know, if Harmas doesn't lay down at arms, then

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Speaker 2: go for it.

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Speaker 1: Now, Barry, I know how you feel about Donald Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: I'm very fond of and it's clew Donald Trump feels

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Speaker 1: about Donald Trump. But set aside both of those things.

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Speaker 1: This is actually a reasonably good deal if it comes

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Speaker 1: to pass.

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Speaker 2: Well no, but it's always, isn't it with Trump. Notice

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Speaker 2: it's not a lot of talk of Putin at the

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Speaker 2: moment because nothing came to the past.

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Speaker 1: Stop stopping the arrangement. Just objectively look at it.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, look at the record, And Harry was shaking

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Speaker 2: Putin's hands, saying, we've got this in hand. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be all over within twenty four hours, no more meetings.

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Speaker 2: Putin's played him again, and he's been played. I know

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Speaker 2: he came to get it.

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Speaker 1: It might not happen, okay, but if you look at

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Speaker 1: the plan that he's put together, it's a good plan.

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Speaker 2: Well if it happened, well absolutely, Look, you can say

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Speaker 2: anything that could be a good plan if it happened here,

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Speaker 2: but you can say what you and Doc Trump tends

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Speaker 2: to do this. You'll say anything that comes into his head.

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Speaker 2: And the plan normally comes unstuck. And I suspect this

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Speaker 2: one will too, because we've seen how vile Hamas is. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we heard the romance arms down.

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Speaker 1: You make a fair point about the chance.

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Speaker 2: Around a long time and watching certainly American leaders can't happen.

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Speaker 1: You make a fair point about the fact that it

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Speaker 1: may not come to pass. It's just trying to get

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Speaker 1: you to have such give them some credit anyway. Geez,

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Speaker 1: Now did Chris Luxon Was this a political stunt, this

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Speaker 1: letter that he sent to Chippy or.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, you know, did he read it? Yes, he

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Speaker 2: did read it, but after the media read the letter

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Speaker 2: basically asking for a bipartisan approach if labor were in

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Speaker 2: the position of being government next year this time next year,

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Speaker 2: which of course they won't be, but nevertheless he wanted

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Speaker 2: an agreement out of Hipkins said the media were given

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Speaker 2: the letter before he was well. It turns out that

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Speaker 2: he was on a plane when the letter was sent

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Speaker 2: to his offers. He landed and got off the plane

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Speaker 2: and then talked to the media and they asked some

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Speaker 2: questions about the letter that he hadn't seen. Well, I

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Speaker 2: would have thought that his office could have let him

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Speaker 2: know what was in the letter, because that's all he

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Speaker 2: had to do.

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Speaker 1: Fair half an hour is a quick turnaround from the

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Speaker 1: next That's clearly well.

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Speaker 2: I think the stunts on both sides. But Hipkins said

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Speaker 2: this morning that it wasn't a serious attempt to get

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Speaker 2: any sort of by partisan agreement on an energy strategy

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Speaker 2: for the future of New Zealand. He is.

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Speaker 5: This is performance of politics, as opposed to any kind

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Speaker 5: of genuine attempt to reach it by part of an

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Speaker 5: agreement on I'll certainly send him a letter and respond.

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Speaker 5: I will say that oil and gas is not the

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Speaker 5: way of the future for New Zealand. Renewable energy is

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Speaker 5: the way of the future for New Zealand. We have

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Speaker 5: an abundant supply of it, it's cheap. We haven't had

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Speaker 5: a significant find of new natural gas for two decades,

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Speaker 5: more than two decads, more than twenty years. The government

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Speaker 5: subsidizing in all likelihood what are going to be empty holes,

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Speaker 5: isn't going to solve our energy crisis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you look at just recently twenty years,

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Speaker 2: twenty years, he says, well, Graham out Petroleum last year

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Speaker 2: discovered a gas reserve in the Taranaki basin and they're

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Speaker 2: going to be drilling that reserve and there is significant

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Speaker 2: well not significant. Fine, No, there have been three fines yep.

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Speaker 2: So just for him to say that, it's certainly before

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Speaker 2: this government came to power, the fines weren't there because

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Speaker 2: nobody was allowed to drill and look for the gas.

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Speaker 1: There is more gas than Chippy Place. Yeah, Barry, thanks

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Speaker 1: very much. Barris Soper, Senior Political Correspondence.

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