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Speaker 1: Not just monthly inflation numbers are coming our way, of course,

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Speaker 1: which is the good news. We've also dumped the census

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, twenty twenty three. They're a complete mess. So

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Speaker 1: from twenty thirty onwards we will use administrative data and

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Speaker 1: annual surveys. Linkork is the former National Statistician director of

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Speaker 1: Britain's Office for National Stats len Bury, good morning to you,

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Speaker 1: Good morning Mike. Eighteen to twenty three or eighteen and

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Speaker 1: twenty three, that was a total cockup. Did that do

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Speaker 1: the census in or do we just not need the census?

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Speaker 2: Look? What approved is that if you don't manage it properly,

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Speaker 2: which we did for one hundred years, then you won't

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Speaker 2: get it, you won't do a very good job. And

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Speaker 2: that's all approved. We leave them both those occasions. The

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Speaker 2: government statisticians at the time thought they knew better than

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Speaker 2: to repeat what we'd learned at that.

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Speaker 1: Hundred year theery are we going to be able to

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Speaker 1: cover ourselves data wise with this administrative data and annual serveys?

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Speaker 2: Well, if you know, if you think about it, a

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Speaker 2: census as a rolling snapshot of every household in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand at a five year basis administrative data. First, it

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Speaker 2: comes from about a dozen or so different sources, none

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Speaker 2: of which are complete for the population, and none of

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Speaker 2: them tell you at any particular time what is happening

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Speaker 2: to a single individual. So, for example, your dealings with

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Speaker 2: the police department, your tax department, housing, social welfare, child

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Speaker 2: protection do not all occur at the same time. So

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Speaker 2: when we bring together your information from an administrative records

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Speaker 2: of different departments, then some of it will relate to

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Speaker 2: ten years ago, some of it possibly twenty years ago,

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Speaker 2: and some of it more recently. So what we have

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Speaker 2: to do out of that sort of hotchpotch is work

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Speaker 2: out how best we can fill in the gaps to

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Speaker 2: create a sort of a snapshot at any particular time.

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Speaker 2: But it's not made up at all in that sort

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Speaker 2: of very direct way that the census is is.

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Speaker 1: So they're making a mistake, the government of making mistake.

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Speaker 1: We need to do should do Bettertainish.

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Speaker 2: Government thought they would try and look at this, they

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Speaker 2: even did when I was there, and just yesterday they

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Speaker 2: made a decision that in twenty thirty one they're going

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Speaker 2: to carry on and do what they did since eighteen

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Speaker 2: forty one. And I can assure you that the British

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Speaker 2: think a lot more deeply about what they're doing, about

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Speaker 2: how they use information, and they have a much more

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Speaker 2: demanding community of users than we have.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't surprise me, funily enough, Sadly, Lenn Good catch

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Speaker 1: up former National Statistician Director of Britain's National Office for Statistics, Lynn.

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