1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Now Donald Trump, he is carrying on with his appointment Blitz. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: At the moment he's confirmed, he wants to make the 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 1: Florida Senator Marco Rubio the new Secretary of State. Our 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: own foreign Minister Winston Peters has immediately tweeted his congratulations. 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: In response. Republican strategist Matt Terrell was Marco Rubio's chief 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: of staff. Matt, welcome back. 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: Hey, great to be with you. Thanks for having me. 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Now, Matt, tell me, you obviously know Marco Rubio. So 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: what's his position on Ukraine? Is he going to look 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: for a settlement there? 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: Well, look, first of all, I think he's a great 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: pick and great choice for Secretary of State. This is 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: certainly someone's well qualified for the position. And to your question, look, ultimately, 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: I think it's going be up to President like Trump 15 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: in terms of what the position will be of the administration. 16 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: You know, when you go into these positions in a cabinet, 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: in an administration, it's really joining the agenda of the 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: president United States, or as you say, in this case, 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: the incoming president United States. So look to that end, 20 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: I can tell you this much. President like Trump has 21 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: been out there discussing the importance of really negotiation right now, 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: bringing people to the negotiation table, particularly relates to Ukraine 23 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: and Russia. Beyond that, I think we're just have to 24 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: wait and see, frankly, once President like Trump takes office 25 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: to see how that really all takes shape. But my 26 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: good tells me President like Trump is working down in 27 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: Florida day in and day out to try to put 28 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: the pieces together of what that will look like, particularly 29 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: relates to Ukraine and Russia, and how much of that 30 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: maps with what Center Rubio said in the past on 31 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: the issue. He has brought up that negotiation with respect 32 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 2: to Ukraine in Russia as being really the path, as 33 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: many have argued, particularly the Republican side, if you will, 34 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: as the path for ending that conflict. So we'll see 35 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: how that all unfolds. But as these cabinet selections was 36 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: for secretary of State or other positions, you really are 37 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: joining the agenda of now President like Trump and soon 38 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: to be President Trump. 39 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, also quite strongly in favor of Taiwan. So does 40 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: that suggest that we're China to make a move now 41 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: quite unlikely, I would say, under a tree on presidency. 42 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: But were they to make a move on Taiwan. These 43 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: two would very strongly want to defend Taiwan. 44 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: Well, look, I think at the end of the day, 45 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: we'ret to ask that question of the administration coming in here, 46 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: but I think to answer your question or broadly, not 47 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: just about Taiwan, but just in general here, I do 48 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: think one of the big themes that was interesting to 49 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 2: note that then candidate Trump during the campaigns where I 50 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: was highlighting, really was not wanting to start any new 51 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: wars and really trying to ensure that that does not 52 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: take place. And frankly, he campaigned on peace. So to 53 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: to that end, I think you're likely going to see 54 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: President like Trump once he sworn in, and frankly, you know, 55 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: the Secretary of State and other key individuals that within 56 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: his foreign policy team really lean in a negotiation and 57 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: trying to ensure that there are no new conflicts around 58 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: the world. So, whether that's related to Taiwan, whether it's 59 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: related to you know, the Middle East policy, whether it's 60 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: related to Ukraine and Russia Iran, you know, these are 61 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: all going to be on the table here in terms 62 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: of discussions on foreign policy front. I think you're looking 63 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: to see him, being President elect Trump really leaned in negotiation, 64 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: and I think you're going to see his cabinet picks 65 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: Frankly do the same. 66 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: How do you reckon these two being Marco Rubio and 67 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump would likely want to end the war involving Israel. 68 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: Would would they be of a mind to force Israel 69 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: to just give it up and stop what they're doing, 70 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: or would they be more inclined to tell Israel go ahead, 71 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 1: have a crackit Iran and ended that way. 72 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate to be redundant, but I do think 73 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: we're have to wait and see on that one. I 74 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: see that because we don't have a whole lot of 75 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: details yet on that. You know, during the campaign, Trill, 76 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: it was domestic issues that really dominated the race. It 77 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: was the economy, inflation, boris kit and so when we 78 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: did talk about the foreign policy issues such as you know, 79 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: Middle East, pousy or Israel or Ukraine and Russia, he 80 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: was president like Trump talking about negotiation, talk about whting 81 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: to end these wars, you know, once he gets in office, 82 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 2: Frankly saying he would end them the first day he's 83 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: in office. You know, it's it's important that to be 84 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: mindful of that of that kind of discussion on the 85 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: campaign trail. The real question, but you know, the American 86 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: peoplen have now is okay, once he's sworn in, what 87 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: is President Trump going to do? And I do think 88 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: it's going to be him right now in this transition 89 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: period trying to put those pieces together. My gut tells 90 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: me he is having discussions with key people on the 91 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: foreign policy stage. That's just I don't have that information, 92 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: but I'm just telling you that's my assumption that he's 93 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: trying to get ahead of this because you know, as 94 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: a president, time is your most valuable asset. You have 95 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: so much time, and when it comes into entering the 96 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 2: first one hundred days for example, of his administration, domestications 97 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: are gonna be key. But on the foreign policy front, Israel, Ukraine, Russia, Iran, 98 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: those are gonna be key. Key themes and key issues 99 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: are going to pop up here. So I don't think 100 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: we have enough yet to say what he will do 101 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: to answer your question, except for I think he's going 102 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: to My gut tells me lean into negotiation and try 103 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: to end wars and not start new wars by bringing 104 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 2: leaders in negotiation table. We saw him do that for 105 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: example with North Korea in his first term going out 106 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: and meeting with the leader of North Korea. So I 107 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: think a lot of Americans will point to that and 108 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: remember those kind of situations where he's at the negotiation table. 109 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 2: We'll see what they shape here. 110 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: Any good stuff. Matt, listen, thanks very much for giving 111 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: us as much insight as you were able to. That's 112 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: Matt Terrell, who's the Republican strategist former chief of staff 113 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: to Marco Rubius. For more from Hither Duplessye, Allen Drive 114 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 115 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.