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Speaker 1: Good evening.

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Speaker 2: It is seven after five views. Talk said, the government

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Speaker 2: agencies have been caught doing a bit of a spray

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Speaker 2: and walk away with personal data. So the State Services

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Speaker 2: Commission has a report out today and it's found that

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Speaker 2: public service agencies shared personal information of us kiwi's with

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Speaker 2: third party agencies without any safeguards. Stats nd ZED, Health

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Speaker 2: end Zed, the Ministry of Health all in for a bolocking.

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Speaker 2: So Brian wroaches the State Service Commissioner. He's with me

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Speaker 2: this evening, Good evening, Good ending, Ryan. The MANUABAMRII, the

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Speaker 2: wipeper Aid of Trust and the Farno Order Commissioning Agency.

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Speaker 2: Can they be trusted with public money?

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you currently have public money. I think the

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Speaker 1: issue that was highlighted in the review that we were

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Speaker 1: found to not have all of the protections in place

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Speaker 1: that we need in a new operating environment, and that's

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Speaker 1: what we're seeking to change.

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Speaker 2: So will will they get public money going forward?

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Speaker 1: I think so that's very much an issue for the agency's.

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Speaker 1: My jurisdic is actually how the agencies provides money to

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Speaker 1: serve parties. I don't have a direct relationship with those,

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Speaker 1: but the principle that we're adopting here is that when

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Speaker 1: you are in receipt of public money, there is a

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Speaker 1: duty of care and obligation to the taxpayer to have

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Speaker 1: certain minimum standards around it on data sharing and conflicts

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Speaker 1: of interest management.

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Speaker 2: And this report shows that some pretty big government agencies

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Speaker 2: didn't have those.

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Speaker 1: This report does show that, as I've said publicly, this

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Speaker 1: is a very sobering report to read, that it was

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Speaker 1: unacceptable what was done. We left open the fact that

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Speaker 1: public that private information could have been compromised. That's just

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Speaker 1: an unacceptable thing from where I sit.

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Speaker 2: What's the consequence, Well.

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Speaker 1: The consequences the Chief Executive has decided, you know, to

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Speaker 1: not renew as contract. That's a very high sanction. The

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Speaker 1: other content sequences are that we are going to change

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Speaker 1: the way that we contract with third parties and we

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Speaker 1: will impose certain standards on them. We will be open

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Speaker 1: to criticism as being bureaucratic. We are not being bureaucratic.

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Speaker 1: We are just being clear about the duty of care

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Speaker 1: required on people who access public money to discharge services.

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Speaker 2: And this is what I was getting at before. So

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Speaker 2: in the case of Manydow and Marian and the White

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Speaker 2: Data Trust, going forward, will they be able to get

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Speaker 2: contracts or do they have to prove something to departments

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Speaker 2: before they can do that.

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Speaker 1: They, like all other people who receive money, will have

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Speaker 1: to actually comply with the new contract standards, which we

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Speaker 1: hope to be operative from one July. That will be

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Speaker 1: a decision for them whether they choose to do that

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Speaker 1: or not. That is not something for me to decide.

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Speaker 2: And what is the requirement around conflicts of interest in

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Speaker 2: your new standards?

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Speaker 1: We're just not greater transparency and the ability to follow

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Speaker 1: betrayal to assure ourselves that when you've got public money,

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Speaker 1: you have a duty of care to maintain certain standards.

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Speaker 1: Conflicts of interests is one of them. I think that

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Speaker 1: is a very generally accepted contractual requirement.

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Speaker 2: Is it appropriate to have the boss of an agency

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Speaker 2: receiving money also the president of a political party.

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Speaker 1: We live in a very small country where people have

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Speaker 1: multiple roles. Ultimately, that's the matter for the agency who

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Speaker 1: is contracting them to satisfy themselves on.

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Speaker 2: This has been a long time coming, this report, Sir Brian.

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Speaker 2: Were you surprised at just how loose the back end

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Speaker 2: was here from some of our departments?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, it was, but you know, I've said publicly

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Speaker 1: that this, particularly with respect to this Department of Statistics,

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Speaker 1: it was a systemic failure. You know, they breached a

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Speaker 1: threshold of seriousness which ended up and the chief executive

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Speaker 1: deciding to leave and US having to make quite significant

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Speaker 1: changes across the public sector. You know, it is a

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Speaker 1: very valuable learning lesson for us. It has taken a

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Speaker 1: long time. It's a complex area, but it's one that

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Speaker 1: I'm comfortable that we've reached in the right position at

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Speaker 1: the end.

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Speaker 2: So Brian, thank you very much for your times. So

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Speaker 2: Brian writes the State Services Commissioner eleven after five. For

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