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Speaker 1: In the case of the missing matter coorper Man Tom

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Speaker 1: Phillips and his kids, Police have basically confirmed that they

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Speaker 1: are not actively searching for them.

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Speaker 2: Everyone would like this to be over yesterday, but I

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Speaker 2: go back to the focus is getting the children out safely.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to put anyone in harm's way just

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Speaker 2: to try and end something quickly.

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Speaker 1: Police have held a press conference today after news that

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Speaker 1: Tom and possibly one of his kids broken too a

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Speaker 1: pupew dairy on Wednesday to Steel Milk. Military lawyer Matthew

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Speaker 1: Hague is served in both the defensebuls and the police

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Speaker 1: and is with us. Hello, Matthew, what are you reckons

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Speaker 1: going on here? Have the police basically backed off?

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Speaker 3: I think they have, and I think that's wise. I

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Speaker 3: think the police need to balance bringing this matter to

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Speaker 3: a conclusion with the risk that mister Phillips, or perhaps

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Speaker 3: even worse, one of the kids could be involved with weapons.

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Speaker 3: And there's risk to everyone. Please the kids and mister Phillips.

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Speaker 1: So what are we doing? Are we just basically waiting

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Speaker 1: for them to eventually one day come out of the bush.

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Speaker 3: I think that would be the best outcome. It would

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Speaker 3: hopefully happen sooner rather than they say. But I've got

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Speaker 3: no doubt that police will be not just monitoring the

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Speaker 3: situation passively. They'll be very actively thinking, perhaps observing, taking

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Speaker 3: steps to locate mister Phillip and the kids. They'll be

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Speaker 3: working with a community, they will have a range of

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Speaker 3: different resources available to them. What they're trying to avoid

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Speaker 3: is a direct confrontation in a way that could result

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Speaker 3: in the read that outcome.

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Speaker 1: Possible though Matthew that this could go on for years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't remember how young the youngest one is,

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Speaker 1: but it'll be years before that child is not subject

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Speaker 1: to any family court orders, if that is what the

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Speaker 1: motivator is.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and in fact it has been years, hasn't it.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's why I say that the police

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Speaker 3: will need to balance avoiding escalating the situation with bringing

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Speaker 3: it to a close, because this can't go on forever.

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Speaker 3: But police, I think, are wisely not jumping into it

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Speaker 3: too quickly.

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Speaker 1: Would I mean, look, it would it not be possible

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Speaker 1: to watch these guys find out whether watch them and

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Speaker 1: then if we want to avoid a gunfight, which we

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Speaker 1: definitely do, nab them next time they go into Pew

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Speaker 1: Pew to get some milk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be a good outcome as well, and

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Speaker 3: I suspect that's one option that police will be not

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Speaker 3: just looking at, but potentially looking to effect. But you know,

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Speaker 3: this is an unpredictable situation, and from what I've seen

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Speaker 3: in the media, the allegations are that he has weapons

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Speaker 3: with him, perhaps all the time. So it's really difficult,

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Speaker 3: I think, to find a time that would be safe

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Speaker 3: for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, please tell me if I'm naive, But is

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Speaker 1: it not possible that we have the capability within the

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Speaker 1: police or the defense force to actually track these guys

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Speaker 1: to where they are and beyond them before they realize it.

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Speaker 3: I think there is that capability, and I think perhaps

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Speaker 3: we'll get to the point where that's exactly what they

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Speaker 3: will do. But with that option, there's a huge amount

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Speaker 3: of risk. Is careful as they are as professional as

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Speaker 3: the police and the defense force are, there's the risk

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Speaker 3: they could pick up a gun and open fire. We've

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Speaker 3: seen that overseas, we've seen that in New Zealand on occasion.

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Speaker 3: No one wants that.

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Speaker 1: Matthew, it's wonderful to talk to you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for expertise. Matthew hag A military lawyer who's been

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Speaker 1: both in the defense for Send the Police.

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