1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickets on 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: earlier this show with one Root Love where you live 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: news Talks. 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: There'd be good morning to you. Thank you for choosing 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 2: the show. We're here until six and coming up over 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: the next sixty minutes. Good news, students are seeing teaching 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: as a valid career. Enrollment numbers are up substantially. We're 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: going to look at this in about five minutes. How 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: can we make Google and Meta pay more tax because 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: they're currently taking the mickey. A new report tells us how. 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: We'll talk about this in ten. This rugby game this weekend, 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: boy is becoming quite a thing. We'll have more on 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: this toon. And our creaking justice system. The Chief Justice 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: has pointed out the stresses what needs to be done. 15 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: We'll talk to former High Court Judge that Ron Young 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: just before six o'clock today. We'll have correspondence from around 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: New Zealand and Mitch became from the United States of America, 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: and you can have your say by sending me a text. 19 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: The number is ninety two ninety two. Small charge applies. 20 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: It's seven after five, It's closely the fourth of September. 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: Trump has head out at President Ji and other leaders 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: at China's military parade. He said, please give my warmest 23 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: regards to Putin and Kim Jong un as you conspire 24 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: against the US. 25 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 3: I think what he says is going to make fairy 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 3: little difference to the Chinese and those who are there. 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: They know that this is the kind of restoric that's 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: going to come from Trump. Trump won't lte that others 29 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: are standing up against this, that they are showing unities. 30 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, let me Putin has thanked Kim Jong un for 31 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: all his help in the Ukraine War. 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 4: I want to point out that your soldiers fought courageously 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 4: and heroically. I would like to note that we will 34 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 4: never forget the sacrifices that your armed forces and the 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 4: families of your servicemen have suffered. 36 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, back in the Oval Office, Donald Trump has addressed 37 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: the online rumors about him being dead. 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 5: Last week, I did numerous news differences, are all successful. 39 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 5: They went very well, like this is going very well. 40 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 5: And then I didn't do any for two days and 41 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 5: they said there must be something wrong with him. Biden 42 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 5: wouldn't do him for months. You wouldn't see. 43 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: Him, okay, And we've had the release of the Epstein files, 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: thirty three thousand pages and several videos were released to 45 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: the public. Victims have been giving a press conference. 46 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 6: Statistically, one in five of your families will face this nightmare. 47 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 7: The days of sweeping this under the rug are over. 48 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 7: We the survivors, say no more. 49 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 6: The betrayal that occurs can be just as damaging as 50 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 6: the original trauma. This happens when survivors of these crimes 51 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 6: are not believed, when our well being is not weighed 52 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 6: as heavily as those who have more resources or more privilege. 53 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: And finally, to the fashion world, and you might have 54 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: had a bit of a fright if you've been on 55 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: the fast fashion site Shine Lately. It's launched an investigation 56 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: after an image of Luigi Mangiani was used to model 57 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: a ten dollars shit Now. Luigi's the guy who was 58 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: accused of murdering United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson in New 59 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: York last year. Sean says the image was provided by 60 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: a third party vendor and was removed immediately after it 61 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: was found embarrassing. 62 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: The first word on the News of the Day Early 63 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and One Root Love Where You 64 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: Live News talks that'd be. 65 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: It is a ten after five. So the Beijing Military 66 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: Parade happened at one o'clock our time yesterday afternoon, and 67 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: it's fair to say I whiked myself up about it 68 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: because I knew all the players had a lot to prove, 69 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: and they all wanted to raise one finger up to 70 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: the rest of the world. And I was expecting a spectacle. 71 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: What I got left be coals. It was soulless, it 72 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: was without joy. Everyone looked like robots, even the leaders 73 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: who I called the bag Gulli Club the other day, 74 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: and there was Helen Clark and John Key wandering around 75 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: the back going what the hell's going on? What was 76 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: going on was China showing off at super modern weapons 77 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: in an immorcately choreographed show piece. It was a very 78 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: public show of power rather than a celebration of the 79 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: defeat of fascism eighty years ago, which is why it 80 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: was held. What it said to nations in the South 81 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: Pacific is China's not to be ignored. They're strong, they're 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 2: interested in influence in our region. They are united, and 83 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: they're ready to be the big voice in the area. 84 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: And nations in the Pacific getting help from China. Often 85 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: argue that China has done nothing bad to us, unlike 86 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: those colonizers from Europe. But the ironing of that was 87 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: the parade was held in Tianaman Square, a scene where 88 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: in my living memory, China turned against its people and 89 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: massacred them. Putin sat there clapping out the right place 90 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: as Kim Jong un turned up in a Western suit, 91 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: as if to say to the world, I'm not completely crazy. 92 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: It was a very good reminder that the West is 93 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: not the world. There are billions and billions of people 94 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: in hundreds of countries that have different views and priorities 95 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: to be perceived a world normal that comes out of 96 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 2: Europe mostly and America lesson less. And you know it 97 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 2: was effective because of put Donald Trump's knows out of 98 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: joint that line you conspire against the United States of America. 99 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: You get the feeling that the president is starting to 100 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: realize that his best mates were always acquaintances and not friends. 101 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: Key and Clark greeted very warmly by g It sent 102 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: the signal we're still friends in trade, if not in geopolitics. 103 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: If current government representatives had been there, we would not 104 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: be as free of China's influence as we now remain. 105 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: It was a good way to just put some distance 106 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: between us. It's a big reminder, though, the whole thing, 107 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: that China, Russia and North Korea are here to stay. 108 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: We can't get rid of them. And yes, a lot 109 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: of their stances are dodgy, but they're allowed their perspective 110 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: because that's called sovereignty. And these guys have a lot 111 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: of clout and a clout that the West for long 112 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: times have underestimated. Andrew Diggins and we're going to talk 113 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: to Mitch McCann about the American reaction in half an hour. 114 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: With all this bad news about our education standards that 115 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 2: we've had lately, it's nice to get what seems to 116 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: be good news. New data shows a thirty percent jump 117 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: and teacher enrollments three five and twenty five students in 118 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five compared to two thousand, seven hundred the 119 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: year before. Primary up thirty one percent, secondary up twenty 120 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: eight percent, and early childhood education twenty four percent. More 121 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: people choosing teaching as an attractive career, and that can 122 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: only be good, or we'll find out next here on 123 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: News Talks atb. 124 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Andrew 125 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: Dickens and one roof Love where you Live, News talks 126 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: at mesquit to past five. 127 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: More teachers are on the way. They just have to 128 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: pass university first, of course. So Johnny me Now is 129 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: Chris Abercrombie from the PPTA. He's the president and good 130 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: morning to you, Chris, Good morning. So why are more 131 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: young people keen to get into teaching? What's changed? 132 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 8: Well, it's great that they've got an increase in these numbers, 133 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 8: and it's fantastic to see the two things that sort 134 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 8: of help teachers be all. We know the tough economic times, 135 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 8: people like to become teachers. They see it as a 136 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 8: a good career move. But also I think there's just 137 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 8: young people want to make a difference. They like jobs 138 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 8: they feel make a difference in teaching is one of them. 139 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: Can Erica Stamford and the government take credit for these 140 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: numbers or were we always going to see a bounce back? 141 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 8: I think there's obviously some things that they've done, Like 142 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 8: I think the stipend available to support people into the 143 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 8: career has been fantastic and very helpful. Unfortunately, the numbers 144 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 8: overall are still less than what we had in the 145 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 8: early two thousands, But there's definitely tracking in the right direction. 146 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: Will this help the teacher shortage. 147 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 8: In the short term No, in the long term possibly, 148 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 8: So we're still going to have to rely on overseas 149 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 8: trained teachers for this. But we a good good sign 150 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 8: that we're moving in the right direction, But there's still 151 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 8: work to be done. 152 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: And looking at the numbers, the primary teachers are up 153 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: the most, and then we've got the secondary teachers and 154 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: then the early childhood education teachers. Does that reflect the 155 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: order of need in terms of teacher shortages. 156 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 8: No, unfortunately it doesn't know. And secondary we need subject 157 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 8: specialist teachers. There's one of our key issues is that 158 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 8: there's no guarantee that the teacher in front of the 159 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 8: young person is a subject specialist. So we have that 160 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 8: significant need in our sector. 161 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: Yes, we're talking about that. We hear about the low 162 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: bar for university entrances at the moment, and so i'd 163 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: have to ask if you're needing these specialist teachers. Are 164 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: new teachers coming out of UNI with enough skill to 165 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: get straight into the workforce, and are they coming out 166 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: with the skills that you need to fulfill those those shortages. 167 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 8: Well, it's definitely, the first two years of your time 168 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 8: out of the teacher training at the university is really important, 169 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 8: so you sort of continuing that training. So schools need 170 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 8: to be there to upskill them. Unfortunately, with the shortages 171 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 8: that we're experiencing and those issues, that can be harder 172 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 8: to do that, but it's just vital that we get 173 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 8: the support to do that as well. 174 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Well, it's all good news and I thank you, Chris 175 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: have a Cromby PPTA President on the news that we're 176 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: getting more teachers, more teachers have been and more kids 177 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: are choosing to be teachers, and that's what makes it 178 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: even better. Now the angual report from the Chief Justice 179 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: is out and it's not a good look. Shortages and resources, 180 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: lawyers and access to justice. Here's an amazing statistic. Serious offending, 181 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: including murder at manslaughter now makes up seventy six percent 182 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: of all new trials in the High Court. We are 183 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: murdering at manslaughtering if you've got any other sort of 184 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: case shutted down the waiting list. And it's something I've 185 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: been hearing from the legal fraternity for ages. We're in 186 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: a period of getting tough on crime and there's plenty 187 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: of political retic wreck about that, which is a great 188 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: little vote catcher. I get that. But when you get 189 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: tough on crime, you have to invest, and we appear 190 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: not to be keeping up with that ledger. To be 191 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: tough on crime, you need to employ more cops. We 192 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: know that's proving difficult. You need to have more prison beds, 193 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: which are expensive, and you need to have a justice 194 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 2: system that can keep up with the arrest, that can 195 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: process these people. And whether we've got the money or not, 196 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: it's still money that has to be spent. By the way, 197 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: the UK facing the same problems, and they're talking about 198 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 2: reducing their sentences and that's not something we want. So 199 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: and we do, and what is the situation? So Ron Young, 200 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: former Chief High Court Charge and former head of the 201 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: Parole Board. He's going to be joining me just before 202 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: six this morning here on News TALKSB. But next we're 203 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: talking about how to make Meta and Google pay more tax. 204 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: On your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early Edition with 205 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens and one roof Love where you Live News 206 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: Talk Sat B. 207 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: It's twenty one after five. The issue of big tech 208 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 2: companies like Meta and Google and Amazon not paying their 209 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: fair shares come to light again. A new report points 210 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: out that the bloodline of New Zealand sub subsidiaries making 211 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: large payments to offshore affiliates labeled as service fees as 212 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: a bit of a rought withholding tax of just five percent, 213 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: could bring an extra one hundred and thirty million dollars 214 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: in revenue to the country if we did that. And 215 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 2: Jeff Nightingale is an independent tax expert and joins it now, 216 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: I'm morning to. 217 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 9: You, Jeff, Good morning Andrew. 218 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: My question has always been how did we let big 219 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 2: tech get away without paying tax? In the first I mean, 220 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: you know, they're not breaking the law, they're just following 221 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: the code we set them. 222 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right. So that's a very important point. They're 223 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 9: not breaking the law. But the question that the report 224 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 9: raises is the law currently correct and does that result 225 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 9: in the correct results for the New Zealand economy. And 226 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 9: the tax is pretty low. But the problem is is 227 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 9: that they the big tech companies, they're using a tax system, 228 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 9: an international tax system that has been designed over the 229 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 9: last hundred years, over one hundred years ago, that deals 230 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 9: with sort of exports of goods and manufactured goods and 231 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 9: things and doesn't really cope with what I call digital 232 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 9: weightless services. 233 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 8: And so that's really the. 234 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 9: Problem, and that's given quite low levels of tax compared 235 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 9: to their turnover. 236 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: Are these service fees I mentioned dodgy, No. 237 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 9: They're not dodgy. They they are the way that the 238 00:11:54,800 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 9: intellectual property is valued and paid for under our arms 239 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 9: length all. So we have all these rules that say, 240 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 9: if you're trading with yourself across international borders, you've got 241 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 9: to do it on an arms links basis. And that's 242 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 9: the result they're giving. And the question the report's raising 243 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 9: and saying is that the right result? And there are 244 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 9: more complexions to it. Even if we could tax them more, 245 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 9: there's a real issue about whether we should tax them more. 246 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: It's another report that points out the problem very very well, 247 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: but does it offer any answers and are there any answers? 248 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 9: Well, there are answers the report suggests withholding tax, but 249 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 9: there's two risks with that approach. The first is that 250 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 9: we have in power in the US the Trump administration, 251 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 9: who has proven one hundred percent that they will retaliate 252 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 9: with tariffs on our export good We already are being 253 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 9: hit with fifteen percent. But if we were to try 254 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 9: and tax the US digital giants more. It is highly 255 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 9: likely that we would get an increased tariff response. So 256 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 9: the question would be more taxes to New Zealand, but 257 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 9: higher tariffs on our exports. What's the right arm. That's 258 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 9: the first problem. The second problem is it's not clear 259 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 9: whilst you might collect the tax off the multinationals, they're 260 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 9: likely to pass it on to these human businesses and 261 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 9: eventually consumers. So the economic incidence who pays the tax, 262 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 9: who bears the cost, shifts through to the consumers, so 263 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 9: we don't actually get it off them anyway. 264 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: It's a fine pickle. And thank you so much for 265 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: your time. Jeff Nightingale, independent tax expert, News Talks ab 266 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: by the way. I want to talk about Amazon because 267 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: they're starting to get under my skin a little bit 268 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: over this week. I'll talk about that after the news. 269 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: It is now five twenty. 270 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: Four the early edition full the Show podcast on iHeartRadio 271 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: Power by Newstalks at b. 272 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: B five twenty six. Here comes the weekend. It's a Thursday, 273 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: and we've got a game of rugby this weekend. And 274 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: this game of rugby this weekend is really starting to 275 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: take on a life of its own. Some are calling 276 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 2: it the biggest game of rugby since the last World 277 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: Cup Final, featuring the same two teams, and this even 278 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: though the Lions just toured Australia in a called breaking 279 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: financial success. But no, this is a very big game. 280 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 2: The whole world is looking at this game and it 281 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: is going to be a cracker. And it's all been 282 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: hyped up and fortified by Eden Park's record as a 283 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: fortress thirty years and fifty games where the All Blacks 284 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: have not been defeated and we are vulnerable, as the 285 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: last test against Argentina showed. Meanwhile, the South Africans seemed 286 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: genuinely inspired by playing at Eden Park. Did you do 287 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: know It's been eight years since the South African's played 288 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: at Eden Park and the venue is venerated by them, 289 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: And I wonder if it's been purposeful to keep them 290 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: away from eden Park for so long, to not let 291 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: them step on the pitch because it fires them up. 292 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: And the French had been in the media yesterday they 293 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: were the last to beat New Zealand on the Garden 294 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: of Eden way back in nineteen ninety four. And here's 295 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: a fun fact. That was the very first time I 296 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: ever went to an all back game and we lost. 297 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: But what an amazing try, the try from the end 298 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: of the world, they said nineteen ninety four last time 299 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: we lost. And the French have been rhapsodizing about the 300 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: mythical qualities of eden Park two, which we all know 301 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: is a pretty patchy stadium. It's very good, it's good, 302 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: but you know it could be so much better. Now 303 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: there's a real chance, a very real chance, we're going 304 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: to lose this one. Graham Henry was quoted yesterday as 305 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: saying there's something not quite right with the team's mentality. 306 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: Yet it is a reminder that if the biggest game 307 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: of rugby in the world is to be played, it 308 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: had to be played at eden Park. And the good 309 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: people are christ Church, who are about to take possession 310 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: of a spiffing new stadium, will argue that eden Park's 311 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: self declaration that the park is our national stadium is misplaced. 312 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: But that's not true. Sorry, christ Church, You've got a 313 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: beautiful stadium. It's going to be awesome, but Eden Park 314 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: is sacred ground and Auckland possibly the nation, but certainly 315 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: Auckland still needs to figure out how to make Eden 316 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: Park better because we need a place like Eden Park. 317 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: We needed in Park because it's the best place for 318 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: what's about to happen this weekend. Dickens, five twenty nine. 319 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: Our reaction to the parade morning, Andrew. What the parade 320 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: in Beijing yesterday showed us is that order and structure 321 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: exists in China, while in the West we have chaos 322 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: and anything goes. Thank you, Clive, Larry loved it. He 323 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: reckon My intro was exceptional, particularly the chilling reference to 324 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: Tijanuman Square. Life is cheaper there than in the West. 325 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: We need to be constantly reminded of this. On you, Larry. 326 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Larry. Have we got the news 327 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: In a few moments time, we're going to talk about 328 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: Christiach City Council requesting to opt out for more housing 329 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: intensification in about five minutes time. By the way, David 330 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: Seymour once changes to Chris Bishop's changes around the Auckland intensification, 331 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: and I can see where he's coming from. He says 332 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: there could be a lot of unintended consequences. The trick 333 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: will be to keep the houses that are precious and 334 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: to build up in the places where it's right to 335 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: build up. And whether Chris Bishop's plan has it? I 336 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: don't know, but David Seymour I believe it's talking to 337 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 2: Mike Hosking on this very issue later on in the program. 338 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: And I've got to get some something on my back 339 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: about Amazon and their big announcements this week. I'm Andrew 340 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: Dickinson for Ryan Bridge, who's on holiday on the Gold 341 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: Coast sleeping. I reckon. This is News Talk sat. 342 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: B News and Views you trust to start your day. 343 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: It's earlier this ship with Andrew Dickens and one Roote 344 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: Love where you Live, News Talks at. 345 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: B writing to you. Welcome to your Thursday. All right. 346 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: Muzz a man with whom I have a bit of 347 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 2: a love hate relationship and he has a love hate 348 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: relationship with me is texted me and said, Dickens, it 349 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: hasn't been a years since we last played the spring 350 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 2: Box at Eden Park. We played them a couple of 351 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 2: years ago. You need to check your facts, Dickens. Well, 352 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 2: I heard that yesterday on the Sky Sport program The 353 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: Greatest Rivalry. So they need to check their facts. So 354 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: guess what. Muzz I went back and checked the facts. 355 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: The last time the All Backs played South Africa at 356 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: Eden Park was on the fourteenth of September twenty thirteen. 357 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: So you're right, I got it wrong. It's not eight years, 358 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: it's twelve. It's twelve since the spring Box played at 359 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: Eden Park and that game we won twenty nine to fifteen. 360 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 2: That was the game where the hooker Bismuck Dupracy got 361 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: sent off after two yellow cards. It was a very 362 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: controversial game which we won twelve years muzz see, I 363 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: do check the facts now, apropos of nothing at all. 364 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: I may have drunk some pina nol last night and 365 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: after my tongue got a little dusty and a little discolored, 366 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: and I complained about it, and my partner went into 367 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: the bathroom and brought out a tongue scraper. I didn't 368 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 2: even know tongue scrapers existed. It's sister, you shape piece 369 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: of some metal and you give the old tongue a 370 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: bit of a scrap and I was astounded by how 371 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 2: much gunk came out. It's disgusting. I'm this many years 372 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: old and I've only just learned about a tongue scraper, 373 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 2: and can I heartily recommend them now. I've also been 374 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: festering this week about the big Amazon reveal that we 375 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: now know revealed nothing at all, and credit where credits 376 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: to Jonathan Milne from Newsroom did some old fashioned journalistic 377 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: leg work and discovered that Amazon has not built a 378 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 2: data center. They've stopped building a data center. They're halfway 379 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 2: through a data center, but it's not being finished. What 380 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: they've done is they rented some buildings, stuck a handful 381 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: of people in them and some kit and that's about it. 382 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: They're not employing thousands. In fact, the year thousands will 383 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 2: be employed downstream, and there is no evidence that they're 384 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 2: even going to As our power prices rocket skyward. It 385 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: was suspicious, wasn't it that they were starting up this 386 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: high energy enterprise at the very same time that New 387 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: Zealand posessors have been closing due to the cost of energy. 388 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: And here they also took to Amazon, and to be fair, 389 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: I had to listened to it. G They were elusive 390 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 2: and as Heather said, and I'm going to say it too, 391 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: Amazon played us as fools, and worst of all, they 392 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: co opted our prime minister to help them, Andrew Dickens 393 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 2: around the country. We go Callum Proctor from the dead 394 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 2: and good boarding Andrew. The public's being asked to get 395 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: rid of some birds. 396 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 10: Yeah, they are pest birds and facts and this is 397 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 10: the rook that we're talking about. The Regional Council here, 398 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 10: along with Environments Southend, are working together to eradicate rooks 399 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 10: across the South. In fact, Southland is rock free. There 400 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 10: are still sightings though of rocks around Otago. Look, these 401 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 10: birds are attracted to recently cultivated paddocks, which is why 402 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 10: they're a problem. They feed on these newly sown crops 403 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 10: and cause significant damage. 404 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: The attager. 405 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 10: Regional Council says. Rooks also intelligent and very weary birds, 406 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 10: so it's important people don't shoot at them, but report 407 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 10: them please to the council. They have effective control options 408 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 10: which can be taken at no cost to the landowner. 409 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: The only thing rock so good for horror movies. How's 410 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: your weather, Well. 411 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 10: It's a good day to be a rock fine today 412 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 10: Northeries In eighteen. 413 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 2: Jamie Cunningham joins you from Christia Tello. Jamie, good morning, 414 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 2: So more debate about housing intensification happening in your area. 415 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, the christ Church City Council is requesting to opt 416 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 7: out from more identification. The councils agreed to seek approval 417 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 7: from Minister Chris Bishop to withdraw the remaining parts of 418 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 7: Plan Change fourteen which relate to National Medium density residential standards. 419 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 7: Now these rules would allow more homes to be built 420 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 7: in residential areas without resource consent. In a meeting yesterday, 421 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 7: the Council did approve some of the Independent Hearing Panels 422 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 7: recommendations so it could meet the housing capacity threshold to 423 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 7: apply for withdrawal. 424 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 5: Now. 425 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 7: Mayor Phil Major says the decision is about putting the 426 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 7: city on a better path for the future. 427 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 2: Right and David seymore of course challenging this as well 428 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: in Auckland. So more debate on that with the Mike 429 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 2: Hosking Breakfast show after six, Now, how's your weather fine? 430 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 7: With areas of morning cloud or frost being high, cloud 431 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 7: building this afternoon and a high of eighteen. 432 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: Maxtel joins us now from Wellington Morning to you, Max, 433 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 2: good morning. You're having a very fascinating merial debate. Its 434 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: fear to say what's the latest? 435 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 11: I wouldn't say fascinating. This was at the University yesterday, 436 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 11: seven contenders quizzed by more than two hundred students asking 437 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 11: some pretty frank liberal type questions. The only absence, Ray Chung, 438 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 11: which was odd because he was scheduled to attend the 439 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 11: event was actually moderated by someone in our newsroom as well, 440 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 11: so we had quite good coverage of it. What we 441 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 11: have I think this year is some quite middle of 442 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 11: the road candidates. A new Curio poll has found Labor 443 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 11: leader former Labor leader Andrew Little seems to be just 444 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 11: running away with it. You've got Ray Chung, Diane Calvert 445 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 11: a few steps behind current councilors. Last night they were 446 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 11: all pretty aligned on some issues, stalling the Golden Mile 447 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 11: pedestrianization plan for instance, slowing that down. I think this 448 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 11: is going to be a far more business friendly mayre 449 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 11: than what we've got. Regardless of who wins, everyone seemed 450 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 11: to be singing from the same hemsheet last yesterday afternoon. 451 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 11: Safety in the CBD is a big issue right now, 452 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 11: a lot of homeless mental health issues. More does need 453 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 11: to be done. Everyone agrees on that. But beyond the 454 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 11: Golden Mile, which you know doesn't have a bright future, 455 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 11: no real firm solutions as yet. Slow down rates rises, 456 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 11: of course, but how are you going to do that? 457 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 11: Foster better relationships at the council. A lot of the 458 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 11: same typical stuff yesterday. And how's your weather, parley cloudy, 459 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 11: some showers later, stronger wind getting up to fourteenth central. 460 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: Any of the written mane who joins me from orkhand 461 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: coome on? Is you morning? So we've got an election 462 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: in the Orkland area tomorrow, but a lot of people 463 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: don't seem to realize. 464 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 12: That that's right, Andrews. So what's happening is that the 465 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 12: Electoral Commission is saying, come on, voters, get out the 466 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 12: head you say, just days to go before voting closes. 467 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 12: Obviously this is the Tamiki rather Makodo by election. Votings 468 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 12: open until seven pm Saturday. So as of Tuesday, three thousand, 469 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 12: six hundred and eighty one ordinary votes they've been cast. 470 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 12: There's not including the special votes, all the overseas votes, 471 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 12: but just for comparison, more than twenty five thousand votes 472 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 12: were cast in twenty twenty three, so at this stage 473 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 12: it's down. So we've got more than thirty voting places 474 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 12: open today tomorrow and eighty four sites open on Saturday. 475 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 2: Use it or lose it, get out and vote. And 476 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: what I found is concerning is that people are saying 477 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 2: that people didn't know the election was on. They know that. 478 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: They think it's all about the commy year, that's right, 479 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 2: and not about about the Tomakimikodo seats. 480 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 12: So you know, have your say, Yeah, get out there. 481 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: What's the weather like? 482 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 12: Find it first partly cloudy towards midday seventeen the high 483 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 12: here in Auckland. 484 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Neva. Now, with all the talking 485 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 2: up of our property market and the government's fervent desire 486 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 2: to see it start to boom again to help our economy, 487 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: I've got some sobering news for you. Property values in 488 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: New Zealand edge down again in August, just zero point 489 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: two percent. But that's the fifth month in a row 490 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 2: to fall, and so far this year we're down by 491 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 2: point six percent. The median price is eight hundred and 492 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 2: nine grand. That is down seventeen point two percent on 493 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. There is one bright spot. There is 494 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: strength and first home buyers and text through saying surely, Andrew, 495 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 2: you clean your tongue every time you clean your teeth. 496 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 2: Thought that was automatic. I thought so too. I brushed 497 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: my teeth, but my god, tongue scraper is next level. 498 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: We're off to America Next, Trump's reaction to the Chinese 499 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 2: military parade, which was chilling. We were joined by Mitch 500 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: McCann next on Newstalk's here b It's sixteen to. 501 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: Six international correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of 502 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business. 503 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: It is thirteen to six off to the United States. 504 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: We go with Mitch McCann, Helen, Mitch, Hi, Andrew, how 505 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: are you. I'm great. We had this Chinese military parade 506 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: which was not a celebration of what happened eighty years ago, 507 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: but it was absolutely a showing off of China's military power. 508 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: So how has America reacted? 509 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 13: Yeah, Donald Trump, Well, this hasn't gone unnoticed for Donald Trump, 510 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 13: of course. Standing beside Hijinping, the leader of China was 511 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 13: the leader of Russia Ledimir Po, and of North Korea 512 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 13: Kim Jong un, which really looked like some sort of 513 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 13: coordinated sort of viewing party. On purpose, perhaps a message 514 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 13: to Western leaders. Donald Trump wrote on truth Social as 515 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 13: this was happening, may President g and the wonderful people 516 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 13: of China have a great and lasting day of celebration. 517 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 13: But he also added, please give my warmest regards to 518 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 13: Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un, as you conspire against 519 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 13: the United States of America. Now, Donald Trump posted that. 520 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 13: Vladimir Putin has responded by saying that it shows Donald 521 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 13: Trump has a sense of humor, so he looks to 522 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 13: not be taking that too seriously. And in terms of 523 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 13: what's happening with Russia and Ukraine, Donald Trump has had 524 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 13: a press conference in the White House in the last 525 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 13: couple of hours, and he sees he's going to be 526 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 13: speaking to Zelenski in the coming days about a path forward. 527 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 13: And he also said we'll find out over the next 528 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 13: week or two how good our relationship is with Russia. 529 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 13: He didn't go into what that exactly meant, but perhaps 530 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 13: more sanctions or something more serious coming from Russia. 531 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the United States had done a military strike on 532 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: a vessel near Venezuela. 533 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 13: So what was that about. It was deadly too, someone died, Yeah, 534 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 13: eleven people died, according to the White House. This is 535 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 13: one of the stories over the last couple of weeks. 536 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 13: I think that hasn't got to the top of their 537 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 13: headlines because there's so much going on. The US has 538 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 13: put a number of military ships outside of Venezuelan waters. 539 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 13: Though really after Nicholas Maduro, they put a multimillion dollar 540 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 13: bounty on his head. He's the leader of Venezuela. But 541 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 13: in the last couple of days they noticed a boat 542 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 13: coming out of Venezuela headed towards the Caribbean, which the 543 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 13: White House said was full of narcotics. So what did 544 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 13: they do. They launched a military strike and blew it up, 545 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 13: and they say they got rid of the drugs and 546 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 13: they killed eleven people on board. The Defense Secretary Pitt 547 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 13: Higseeth was doing an interview this morning on Fox News 548 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 13: and he said it won't stop there with this strike. 549 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 13: Anyone else trafficking drugs in the waters near the United 550 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 13: States will face the similar fate. So the UIs taking 551 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 13: this narcotics situation extremely seriously. 552 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 2: I thank you, Mitched. Yes, that is really getting tough 553 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: on crime, isn't it? Eleven to six? And speaking of which, 554 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: dickens more issues with our courts. Our report from the 555 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: Chief Justice Helenn Kelman says trials are becoming longer, more complex, 556 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: and it's clocking up the system. There's some incredible figures 557 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: in there, like manslaughter of murder, makeups over seventy percent 558 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 2: of all our trials. The average trial now takes seventeen days. 559 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: Sir Ron Young is the former High Court judge and 560 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: former chair of the New Zealand Parole Board and joins 561 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: me this morning. Good morning to you, sir, Good morning Andrew. 562 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: So this is a creaking system, isn't it. 563 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 14: Well, it's certainly under stress and you can see that 564 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 14: by the huge increase in how long trials are taking, 565 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 14: particularly in the High Court. 566 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: So what does that mean for our entire justice system. 567 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: It's all we will and good to get tough on crime, 568 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: but there's no point getting tough on crime if we 569 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 2: can't process them. 570 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 14: Yeah, no, I mean that's true, of course. I mean 571 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 14: being tough on crime is important. But the important thing, 572 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 14: of course is to try and focus on reoffending and 573 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 14: try and reduce the crime rate and reduce the number 574 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 14: of victims. So simply putting in people in prison longer 575 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 14: and longer, more and more often, actually isn't solving the 576 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 14: crime problem. It's making it worse. 577 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: The UK is facing a similar issue, and there they've 578 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: actually suggested shorter sentences. Is that a good idea or not? 579 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 14: Yes, I think it's a good idea because it's combined 580 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 14: with rehabilitation in the community, and we know that's the 581 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 14: most successful thing, and we know that that's the way 582 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 14: to reduce the number of victims. 583 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: Some of those stay short sentences lead to greater acidivism. 584 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 14: Well they don't. The evidence is quite the contrary. The 585 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 14: longer you put people in prison, particularly at the beginning 586 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 14: of their life, the more likely it is they're going 587 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 14: to be joining gangs for their protection. In prison, the 588 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 14: more likely they're going to get information about how to 589 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 14: commit further crimes. So it definitely makes it worse. 590 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: So surely sending criminals out into the streets is increasing 591 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: crime as well when they haven't been rehabilitated in the 592 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: prison system. 593 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 14: Sure that's the point that they're not proposing in the 594 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 14: UK of seend people just into the community and today 595 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 14: good luck. You know, here's your two hundred and seventy 596 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 14: five or three hundred and seventy five dollars. What they're 597 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 14: doing is focusing on rehabilitation so that they are controlled, 598 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 14: they're under very strict situations within the community, but also 599 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 14: getting rehabilitation because in the end, that's the most important 600 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 14: thing for the community. 601 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: Should I be shot or should we all be shot 602 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: that murder attemptive murder at mansort, a category four offenses, 603 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: now make up seventy six percent of all new cases 604 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 2: in the High Court back in twenty twenty. Back in 605 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, it was fifty six percent. 606 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 14: YEP. It is a horrifying statistic and it's also in 607 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 14: terms of the stress on courts. It's horrifying that it's 608 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 14: taking seventeen plus days on average. I can recall when 609 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 14: I was a young lawyer back in the nineteen seventies 610 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 14: and eighties, murder trials often took three, four five days. Ye. 611 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: So what's the answer? More money, more more? Is horses 612 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 2: are one? 613 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 14: Well, the only way it's all it's more resources. But 614 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 14: it's not just judges and lawyers, although that's part of it. 615 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 14: It's also court rooms. It's a sophisticated equipment that's required. 616 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 14: There's a whole series of things that are required to 617 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 14: help a court system run I think effectively and efficiently. 618 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 2: So Ron young, I thank you so much for your time. 619 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: And all that stuff costs money. And this is a 620 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: government that doesn't like to spend money, and do we 621 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: even have the money to spend? It is seven minutes 622 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: to six. 623 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: The News you Need this morning and the in depth 624 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: Analysis Early edition with Andrew Dicketts and One Root Love, 625 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: Where You Live News Talks. 626 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 8: That'd be Yes. 627 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: It is now five minutes to six, and a man 628 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 2: with a whole lot of paper and a whole lot 629 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: of facts and figures has come down towards Are you 630 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: not like the sort of bloke I would use a 631 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: tongue scraper? Yeah, I do, and have done for many years. 632 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: I used one for the very first time yesterday. It 633 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: was mind blowing. 634 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 15: How did you get onto it? 635 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 8: Well? 636 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: I drank wine, didn't I? 637 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 15: No, no, no, But how literally do you? 638 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: My partner had had one, said she had it for 639 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 2: years apparently, but I ever knew. 640 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 8: Is it copper? 641 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 15: No, it must be has to be copper. So it 642 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 15: comes why I evaded. So the tongue scraper is originally 643 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 15: an io aadic practice. Out of there you always go 644 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 15: to the old cultures. The Chinese and the Indians have 645 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 15: it right. 646 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 2: There's a bit of hippie in you. The way it 647 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 2: was mind blog and I couldn't believe how much gun 648 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: came out. And now I'm doing it in the morning. 649 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 15: Do it in the morning, I'll tell you if you 650 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 15: really want to hear something disgusting, The Indians do it 651 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 15: in the morning. So you wake up and your tongue 652 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 15: basically just extrude stuff in the night. Yes, and you 653 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 15: do it in the morning when you've had nothing to 654 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 15: eat or drink, you will be astonished. And tongue health 655 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 15: as gut health, and gut health as everything. 656 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: There we go, there we go. All right, what are 657 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: you excited to talk about today? 658 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 15: Well, I'm excited on that. That's the garage project thing 659 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 15: interests me. 660 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: So they're going they're going into that well Fa, which 661 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 2: is a great bar. I have no idea why it 662 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: went bust ah because it's a great location. 663 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 15: So and that's the key. So I just wonder how 664 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 15: much of we've obsessed ourselves about hospitality in this country. 665 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 15: How much of it you know, not to put two 666 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 15: fine a point in it. Maybe fortune favors. Aren't they 667 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 15: good at business? 668 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 8: You know? 669 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 15: Why can garage Project take over something that can't work 670 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 15: and presumably make it work. How come they can do that? 671 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 15: How come Smith's City, for example, can't sell enough sofas, 672 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 15: whereas other people who sell sofers can sell sovers. You know, 673 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 15: Is it about business, is it about luck? Is it 674 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 15: about your debt? 675 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 8: What is it? 676 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 15: So anyway, we'll talk to them. David Seamwall this morning, 677 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 15: without boring the rest of the country, there's a stoush 678 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 15: brewing in Auckland over the intensification. 679 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 2: Same thing's happening in chrast Yat, of course. 680 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 15: But David seam was interesting because he used the Deputy 681 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 15: pime Minister and Leader of Act but a local MP 682 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 15: and doesn't like what the government are doing. So watch 683 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 15: this space. 684 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 2: Not a lot of high raises an absence, no exactly, 685 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 2: I've noticed. Thank you, Mike is next, have a great show. 686 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: My thanks to producer Kenzie. I'm Andrew Dickens and I'll 687 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 2: see you tomorrow. 688 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live 689 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: to News Talks it Be from five am weekdays, or 690 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.